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Support => Complaint Department => Topic started by: Chessire on November 06, 2010, 07:58:55 pm

Title: about the water glyph
Post by: Chessire on November 06, 2010, 07:58:55 pm
SPOILER WARNING: In this thread i include information about glyph combinations for spells... in case you want to discover them ingame.

I've been troubled by this for a pretty long time and i thought its best fit for the complain department although i guess there must be a reason for every thing.
A search on the forum about it didn't reveal any similar topics to me.
Still, i want to ask, why is the water glyph so rare? it can only provide mostly realm 2 spells and it is necessary for three of the five blue way spells (of which only freeze works currently) if we exclude frozen ground that requires another GM glyph... Alright, rinse can give mana which makes it a valuable glyph i suppose. But what happens of the characters that actually want to include blue way in their attributes? I play a nolthir and i consider it reasonable for her to have some talent in the blue way... i can still train it with the freeze spell but i can't actually use it for anything else than kill off rats. And of course, there are several people that have a character that wants to study blue way.

I'm pretty sure everyone knows of these things so i won't keep babbling about them, i just want to ask why the certain glyph is so rare... of course it is nice when some glyphs are rare and can be rewards for GM events but the particular one is taking out of the gameplay a whole way. Lava glyph is a much better case... offers great power so its wanted by many but red way is still playable.
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: Ruya on November 06, 2010, 09:13:29 pm
I have the same gripe.   I'm curious if there is a good reason.   I level up BW because it seems settings-appropriate for my Nolthrir main, but it pains me every time I shell out the tria.   Even without the Water glyph issue, why are there so few Blue Way glyphs, period? 
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: Dracaeon on November 06, 2010, 09:17:59 pm
About why there are so few BW glyphs, I thinks it may just be that people are more interested in the generally more explodey/useful ways such as RW, DW and CW, which are therefore more developed.
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: bilbous on November 06, 2010, 11:39:53 pm
maybe it is because there are no underwater quests where it would be appropriate to award them.
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: Vakachehk on November 07, 2010, 03:53:45 am
maybe it is because there are no underwater quests where it would be appropriate to award them.

Scared Kran or some random kran is underwater. He would be found in the BD mines
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: bilbous on November 07, 2010, 10:09:26 am
The petrified kran (doesn't have too much to say)? or some other new one? Anyway kran would seem more aligned with the Earth element than water... silicon is used to waterproof stuff!
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: Vakachehk on November 08, 2010, 12:12:42 am
The petrified kran (doesn't have too much to say)? or some other new one? Anyway kran would seem more aligned with the Earth element than water... silicon is used to waterproof stuff!

Ahhh thats the name, and yeah true, well then ummmmmmmmmm, is it possible to ask a Riverling at the bottom of a lake?
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: Caraick on November 12, 2010, 12:06:59 am
The petrified kran (doesn't have too much to say)? or some other new one? Anyway kran would seem more aligned with the Earth element than water... silicon is used to waterproof stuff!

Ahhh thats the name, and yeah true, well then ummmmmmmmmm, is it possible to ask a Riverling at the bottom of a lake?

Haven't tried... they don't exactly seem like the talkative type  ;)


I'd echo this complain in regards to the Faith and Lava glyphs....
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: Chessire on November 15, 2010, 05:37:53 am
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I'd echo this complain in regards to the Faith and Lava glyphs....

I don't know about faith but this is not exactly my point... see lava is a really powerful glyph and is indeed a suitable reward for a RP event imo. But water is given away as often as lava (don't know... about 1-2 times in a year perhaps?) while being a simple glyph needed to cast basic blue way spells. And its not like its not available because there are no quests, not even the GMs give it away.
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: MishkaL1138 on November 15, 2010, 07:14:26 am
I'd like to see a GM's point on this… also, what's with Sight? Come on, guys, it shouldn't be so hard to fix that quest.

About Lava… what else to say: I'm looking for it like crazy, earning trias, more and more and more. I've even started to work with silver instead of bronze. I hope there's a GM event sooner or later…
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: Caraick on November 15, 2010, 04:12:02 pm
So yesterday I found out that a guildie who's been gone for many months comes back with a Water and a Lava glyph, plus two Rings of the Past.

FML :(
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: Candy on November 15, 2010, 05:11:04 pm
...why are there so few Blue Way glyphs, period? 

Seems you could replace "Blue Way Glyphs" with any given uncompleted feature in this sentence and the answer seems to be the same, not enough manpower in the team to get around to that yet.
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: Tuux on January 03, 2011, 02:28:14 pm
Hello,

Here we working hard on blue way, all it magic way need work for be totaly fonctionnal. Here it's not the case  :@#\
Trust me we do our best , but it's really long to do...

Actually lot of work on Magic system is done, it probably help soon for have other common Glyph.
Have the Glyph don't say the game support it well in RP integration .  :beta:

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Tuux  :sorcerer:
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: Akeera on April 26, 2011, 10:48:44 am
The best start would be to be fair in giving away the special items. But they are given away in dependence of the friendship level you have reached with GMs or staff members. I wish Talad would know about this "inner circle" behaviour :devil:
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: Sarva on April 26, 2011, 11:17:08 am
Ah akeera there are basically no special items now since the previous GM glyphs like the water glyph are now available via a quest and in my time as aGM special items were never given out to friends of any GMs that I know of. They were given out in events that anyone participating in the event had a chance to win based on their RP during the event. But as I said sort of a moot point now since all the former GM glyphs are now available via quests.
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: Chessire on April 26, 2011, 12:06:39 pm
Actually this thread doesn't have a meaning right now, water but also lava and many other glyphs are all available... maybe if i had a few month's patience I wouldn't have started it at all...  :whistling:
Akeera, here is what I can tell you from my own friends... some use to stay awake on saturday nights just to find any GM events that may happen. And I'm a bit older in this game than some of them but all i ever got was being transformed to a gabwert once (that was cool actually) since I was never much after events myself. If you are interested I suggest you keep an eye for events during the weekends, especially if there are many players online and at least two GMs on :)
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: Earowo on April 26, 2011, 05:45:56 pm
Still, it was good for this to be brought back up, I didnt, and im sure others didnt either, know that the water and lava glyphs are questable, it is very good to know, im sure those who already had one, will be disapinted in the drop in cost for the glyph, and those who didnt will be delighted to know they can get one.
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: Phantomboy86 on April 26, 2011, 06:17:26 pm
Dont get your hopes up Earowo, you need at least 70 RW to get Lava, and id imagine somewhere close to that for Water.
Title: Re: about the water glyph
Post by: Gilrond on April 26, 2011, 09:33:49 pm
Dont get your hopes up Earowo, you need at least 70 RW to get Lava, and id imagine somewhere close to that for Water.
No, even 70 isn't enough. 90 is more like it. I'm not sure why it's given at such a high level, while some spells with Lava (except fist of volcano) are of much lower realm. Another mystery is Chaos glyph. There seems to be no active spells with it, (even though there might be some in theory, but in practice nothing can be researched with it).