Well you see if someone is bugging you then you politely tell him to stop, if they persist try again, if that still doesnt work you can report it to someone who can do something about it or you can choose to ignore him and go on with your life.

I don\'t know if I missed it cause I just skimmed through the topic, but the thief stealing the items should only be able to carry so much stuff, can\'t go overboard. Possibly the loot could be random and you can only loot the caravan once, just to make it somewhat fair.  If the thief wanted to loot more items from the caravan he would have to either group with other thieves or he could buy//rent// animals to stick the loot on.  

I doubt stealing the players animals would ever be implemented because of the grief it would cause, hell I doubt any of this will be implemented because of the grief, but they sound like nice ideas.

If you do want to have a better chance of getting it into the game then you have to make it fair for everyone and give a good reason for the idea.  Cover as much as possible, pros, cons, so on.

Very nice idea though.

Wow, thanks everyone for responding, I will definatly try everything at least once to see what works for me.  I definatly need to practice more but hopefully I\'ll be able to draw something worthwhile someday.
I really don\'t have a chosen field of what I want to draw, I just want to be able to draw in general. It\'s very calming and I love how time flies when you get into it and your really concentrating, it reminds me a lot of playing guitar, and that is very soothing for me, kinda like my form of meditation I guess. Well this week I must go get myself a sketch book and start practicing. Well thank you all very much for your ideas, hopefully they work for me.

So far this program seems to be very neat, unfortunatly I can\'t seem to get anything to come up when I search, I\'m assuming it has to do with either my router or the firewall... both of which I know absolutely nothing about hehe, well this should be fun....

ok this may sound stupid but why is everyone afraid to use kazaa? I\'m not one for keeping up on stuff like that..  Ooo and anything by Bush, Cold, Blindside, Taproot is not to shabby, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Incubus, and some of Dave Matthews Band, is good listening.

Flippy, no offense but you are leaving out Russia, the Russians helped a lot in that war, and it was only because the USA came into the war and because the Germans betrayed the Russians that the war was won, I\'m pretty sure the USA and England and Canada came down from one side and the Russians came in from the other, so everyone gets credit.  Well I think thats what happened... hehe

Yes Hitler would have been dead but what about the affects he would have left on our societies, he could have screwed things up so bad or possibly have left an even crazier fanatic in charge after his death.

Now like someone else said, \"no country is without its faults\", so really everyone in here should back off, I\'m from Canada and I know our country is not perfect, the USA isn\'t perfect, all of Europe isn\'t perfect, Russia isn\'t perfect, I\'m sure you get my point. You can find many faults in each countries government, but you know what, the government is made up of only so many people that the majority voted for, what about the people who lost, they don\'t share the same view yet they get screwed, or the people who may agree with one party over the other just on certain points. NO ones ever going to get an absolutely perfect country because not everyone\'s views will be reflected. So really to say that Bush is so good because he\'s doing this and that, that is your opinion, what about the opinions of others, how many people protested that war? How many people couldn\'t make it to the protest? How many agreed with it? And don\'t go out and show me some big fancy survey because those depend on how many people took it, hell it could say 80% of Americans are for the war and maybe only 2 million took it, a little unrealistic but oh well you get my point, People are impressed by fancy surveys and big numbers.

Now I think I have gone off track but oh well, everyone\'s criticizing governments and I wanted to put my two cents in.

The whole thief guild idea is a good one make it so you have to do go to the guild right away upon making you character so you don\'t have people with good stats doing the same challenges and kicking their butts as people with low stats. Then you have to find the guild, make it somewhat of a challenge so you can knock off some of the pesky people, then when they finally get into the guild and find the guild master they have to steal something from a certain NPC, this would also be somewhat of a challenge but not that much since you are just starting out. After you\'ve accomplished these tasks then you are accepted into the thief guild but you start at the lowest rank. At the lowest rank you have to give so much of what you have stolen to the guild and after stealing from will say about 20-30 people you move up to the next level in the ranks. At the next level you owe your guild a little bit less of your earnings but it is now harder to attain the next rank.

Now stealing from PC\'s and NPC\'s is allowed but you do not exactly steal the item you more or less steal a shadow of an item or a tag and you can bring these tags//shadows to your guild and recieve money for them. There is no stealing of large or heavy objects, anything bigger then a dagger for weapons is to big other things use common sense on what is to big, no stealing armor, no stealing large amounts of money, gems, rings, glyphs, whatever those little things are. At the most you can only take 50 tria or so about 3 or 4 gems maybe, a ring or two, a few glyhps. Mind you this amount you are stealing is per attempt, their should also be a maximum attempt for stealing from each player maybe twice at the most per day, possibly week. And remember you are not exactly stealing these items but rather shadows or a tag for this item, so the PC\'s//NPC\'s still have these items. So their should be no grief. Thieves can only steal from people who are standing still or walking, not while the PC//NPC is running or is fighting and such. The degree of getting caught depends on certain stats, the higher the intelligence//wisdom//dexterity of the thief the better chance of getting away with stealing, the higher the intelligence//wisdom of the PC//NPC is the chance of catching the thief. If the thief fails and is caught he can run away and the PC//NPC has the option of chasing down the thief but what\'s the point? It\'s not like you lost anything. If the thief is caught they are taken to a jail where they are stuck for so many hours. You can accomplish this by banning that character for the select amount of hours. The accounts are not banned because you truly haven\'t hurt anybody with this system.

You can break into stores//houses and steal stuff from the owners but remember its only a shadow. Oh yeah and this shadow can only be redeemed at the thief guild and it only can be redeemed for money, you don\'t get the things you steal, just their worth. Which can be used to buy other things!!!!! How wonderful!!!

Now you can make the amount of thieves smaller by making the amount they must give the guild a large percentage but not too large since you don\'t want to discourage even the hardcore theives. Maybe put a restraint on how many people can join the thief guild per month, say 100? well the devs choose, something that goes with the number of players playing. Make the option to pickpocket only available to those who have gone to the theif guildmaster and accomplished the task.

Now I think I covered everything, if I see anything else I\'ll post it. I\'ve stolen some ideas from other people but whatever. It\'s something to look at and work with if people want, there doesn\'t seem to be any grief in how I see it, but like I said maybe I missed something. This is just a rough idea so far, I think I will come back and look further into it later on and have some new ideas.
There is no looting of corpses in any of this so all of those people don\'t worry about that. There is no stealing of large amounts of things, no stealing large things at all. And hell not really stealing at all, just shadows or tags, so their should really be no complaints on that end.