PlaneShift

Support => Complaint Department => Topic started by: Noobstorm on June 18, 2011, 09:16:07 pm

Title: This game is not fun
Post by: Noobstorm on June 18, 2011, 09:16:07 pm
I played this game because it was one of the few real roleplaying games. I wanted to like this game, but I couldn't.

Everything seems so clunky, the gameplay is dull and boring and the quests are repetitive. There is no life to this game. I have played this game for about 20 hours and found almost nothing enjoyable.

I liked the roleplaying aspect, but everything else just threw me off.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Ebonwumon on June 18, 2011, 10:36:04 pm
I really like to order pizza for supper. I love the taste of the crust, the meat, the cheese... Mm! It's all so delicious.

The cardboard box it's in tastes awful, though. I tried to like it, I just couldn't.

I am never ordering pizza again!
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: LigH on June 19, 2011, 03:08:43 am
A bad teacher tells the pupil being wrong.

A good teacher tells the pupil how to do it better.


Complaints about the lack of good players don't attract more players.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Jekkar on June 19, 2011, 07:48:20 am
I played this game because it was one of the few real roleplaying games. I wanted to like this game, but I couldn't.

Everything seems so clunky, the gameplay is dull and boring and the quests are repetitive. There is no life to this game. I have played this game for about 20 hours and found almost nothing enjoyable.

I liked the roleplaying aspect, but everything else just threw me off.


I wholly agree.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: verden on June 19, 2011, 08:38:57 am
Quote
Complaints about the lack of good players don't attract more players.

Unfortunately, the game itself does not attract and hold many new players, either.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Ebonwumon on June 19, 2011, 09:34:28 am
Not now it doesn't...

EBON FOR GM!
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Mrokii on June 19, 2011, 09:54:35 am
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Complaints about the lack of good players don't attract more players.

Unfortunately, the game itself does not attract and hold many new players, either.

Nor does the tutorial. Unless you're a fan of Micky-mouse voices or like to become deeply confused by out-of-sync speech and text, heh.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Catlemur on June 19, 2011, 10:30:15 am
Yet everyone above this post continues to play Planeshift.Strange?
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Jekkar on June 19, 2011, 10:46:25 am
Yet everyone above this post continues to play Planeshift.Strange?

The fact that mentally disturbed people would play a game like Planeshift does not state the reason they play is because it is fun. It says more about the mental status of these individuals.
I find this game to be incredibly bad in gameplay, depth and visuals, yet I am drawn by it's psychotic tone and general insane audience. I take pride in the fact I have found the perfect deteriorated videogame to match my deteriorated mind.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: MishkaL1138 on June 19, 2011, 11:10:00 am
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Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Jekkar on June 19, 2011, 11:28:25 am
How many posts like this one have I seen before?

Oh yeah…


How many have I seen of this one? I think a couple.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Earowo on June 19, 2011, 01:12:38 pm
The enkis move faster then the words o.O
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Aramara Meibi on June 19, 2011, 01:55:58 pm
the game is not fun, but this thread sure is.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: BoevenF on June 19, 2011, 04:58:56 pm
sure as hell.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Tuux on June 20, 2011, 10:00:36 am
 ;D  :beta:

How say ..... come with us work on it  :sorcerer:
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Tuux
Title: Re: This game is not fun unless YOU are fun
Post by: Lady Crankenstein on June 20, 2011, 10:34:14 am
I have endless thrills with the RP because I am a part of what makes it what it cane be... and .. I have attracted others with imagination and a mind for fun....  on the bad side, the quests are a fraggin nightmare to endure for any gain I hope to achieve... but bottom line is that intead of looking for a system that entertains me... I use the system to create enertainment.
Lady Crankenstein
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: verden on June 20, 2011, 12:26:36 pm
PlaneShift is very good for it being what it is. I had never used any MMORPG when I first tried PS, so I did not suffer from comparison syndrome. In so far as it is not a completed experience, it does have many areas where it is lacking. But there is not another project like this one. I'm not really sure I could take another.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Catlemur on June 20, 2011, 12:56:55 pm
IMHO: This thread has no sense to be continued as the topic starter is not participating.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: NoriMori on June 20, 2011, 02:38:09 pm
I agree that the game isn't all that fun. Everything is a chore when it should be enjoyable. But I keep playing. Why? Well, it's not because I'm mentally ill, as Jekkar suggested. It's because I feel like I'm helping make this game better by playing (i.e. I can point out bugs and give feedback). Plus, I know that this game is not anywhere near a finished state, so I cut it some slack. I also like meeting new people on PlaneShift and chatting with them into the wee hours of the morning. And then there's my whole "beggars can't be choosers" mentality. I searched forever to find an MMORPG that is in 3D, is compatible with Mac, and is totally free. This is all that I found. I am a beggar here, I can't really be a chooser.

I also find that Lady Crankenstein's comment very accurately reflects how I feel about this game.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Sarras Volcae on June 20, 2011, 03:36:53 pm
sounds like PS's developers need to do a gameplay overhaul.

i bet they haven't even glanced at this thread.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Jekkar on June 20, 2011, 04:28:54 pm
It's because I feel like I'm helping make this game better by playing.

I've been playing for 7-8 years now. It didn't get any better.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Maisent on June 20, 2011, 05:01:29 pm
ive been playing a long time, most of the time I only go on for chatting, nothign else. Before back in 2008 i think, or before that, it was a lot more fun beacuse there were more events going on
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Noobstorm on June 21, 2011, 01:45:58 pm
Thank you for the responses, I was expecting to get flamed.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: BoevenF on June 21, 2011, 03:03:41 pm
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 ;D
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: verden on June 21, 2011, 04:05:04 pm
Actually, the frightening part is that it won't die. It will just keep going as it is. Brains... more brains!
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Elledi on June 22, 2011, 02:01:36 am
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Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Sarras Volcae on June 22, 2011, 03:17:17 am
it's funny when a troll is right.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Vakachehk on June 23, 2011, 01:29:04 am
I do find PS boring at times, at the moment I'm not really on that often as I'm busy with School at the moment.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Belgarel on July 02, 2011, 07:18:03 pm
(Sorry about this long, bad-written message ; English is not my mother tongue, so I can't make all my ideas appear in a few words, and I go through many problems as soon as I try to write it down ; so please, be lenient.)
I'm a supernoob, who has played no MMORPG except 4story before. Yet I think you're a little hard there, saying it's absolutely boring.
I don't know yet what the game looks like after playing some time, but I think it can and will be really improved.

The main issues for a beginner, I'd say, is that most of the time you've got no clear indication about what to do and how to do it : where is the character I need to find to complete my quest (the character who gave the quest will sometimes give absolutely no hint to help the player find him, like in which city we may find the NPC) ; where may I find monsters, or merchants ; how do I train a skill (really, as if a left-click on the name of the skill wasn't sufficient, you have to type /train or use an unnecessary shortcut -it's the kind of things it is worth explaining in the tutorial, instead of telling how to use the furnace - the same goes with the command /use, while it would be so easy to right-click the item in the inventory, or drag it towards a "use" button).
The result of which is that the noob will spend litterally hours wandering around, searching for NPCs in a city where they probably can't be found and not daring to ask if anyone knows of these (after all, do we have the right to ask for help with the quests ?), visiting again and again the same places, hearing the same midi music (which can be annoying after a few moments), and asking NPCs if they have information (before realizing that they will never tell him where Shoska Bloodhammer dwells, even if he is two meters away, and just repeat "Stop talking nonesense.", and that they all basically say the same thing).

The game is not finished yet ; however, I think it needs to be simpler (which can be done, for instance, by deleting this command system that forces us to go from the inventory to the chat window) and that it still does not welcomes the new players proprely (I still had plenty of questions after the tutorial, and having to read several uncomplete guides in the game and on the wiki, in which you are well explained how to fight a rat, like in the tutorial, and yet expected to know that you have to find the right NPC to increase your stats).
I do think that being a good player is also a matter of morals. Therefore, the fact that this game is still under development, and aims to be fully free and mainly OpenSource means that even if you have never owned any lvl 86 character on WoW, or spent entire days on FF XI like a game addict, as long as you see, behind the game being created, what it stands for and what it may become, you are a good player.
This project cannot fail, and the team needs advice, not bare criticism. Saying "the gameplay is dull and boring" won't explain where is the problem. And so on...
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Aramara Meibi on July 03, 2011, 01:36:11 am
The main issues for a beginner, I'd say, is that most of the time you've got no clear indication about what to do and how to do it : where is the character I need to find to complete my quest (the character who gave the quest will sometimes give absolutely no hint to help the player find him, like in which city we may find the NPC) ; where may I find monsters, or merchants ; how do I train a skill (really, as if a left-click on the name of the skill wasn't sufficient, you have to type /train or use an unnecessary shortcut -it's the kind of things it is worth explaining in the tutorial, instead of telling how to use the furnace - the same goes with the command /use, while it would be so easy to right-click the item in the inventory, or drag it towards a "use" button).
The result of which is that the noob will spend litterally hours wandering around, searching for NPCs in a city where they probably can't be found and not daring to ask if anyone knows of these (after all, do we have the right to ask for help with the quests ?), visiting again and again the same places, hearing the same midi music (which can be annoying after a few moments), and asking NPCs if they have information (before realizing that they will never tell him where Shoska Bloodhammer dwells, even if he is two meters away, and just repeat "Stop talking nonesense.", and that they all basically say the same thing).

all of this can be remedied through Role Play.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: provisionist1 on July 03, 2011, 04:28:02 am
(after all, do we have the right to ask for help with the quests ?)

Yes, you certainly do, as long as it's within the character of the game (known as in-character or IC). For example- if Harnquist asks you for iron ore, but you have no idea where to begin, you can ask a someone: "Excuse me sir/madam (not their name since you haven't been introduced yet, even though you can see their name on the screen), the smith Harnquist is short on iron and has asked me to bring him some, but I'm unsure where the nearest mine is, or how to extract ore, could you please give me some directions?"

You can also introduce yourself ( /greet ) tell them your name, etc. and get a general dialogue going.

What you shouldn't do is simply shout at people: "How do I complete the iron ore quest?"

Good luck!

Xirius
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: tssthorn on August 07, 2011, 09:12:45 pm
Yikes  :sweatdrop: I have not played PS in years. I recenetly returned only to play for a few hours here and there. I am going to give my 2 cents, not to start a flame, but just to put things in perspective of how I view this game.

Planeshift: Crystal Blue was my first time playing an mmorpg. I was super excited because I had always wanted to play a game that had interaction with a bunch of people like the real world. It was fun at first, till I spent 2 years playing it and noticed updates where lacking, and players where leaving left and right. Now keep in mind, most well known good games take 3 - 6 years to make. I spent those 2 years playing back when I was 18. I am 24 now. On top of that, I heard it's been in development for years before I even started playing.

I have been told the line "They work on it in their free time". That is totally understandable. However, what I am getting at is, this game has no future at all. It's been in development for 8+ years. It is no where near completion. At the current rate of creation, and the goal for what the game is suppose to be, the main creators would be dead before the game is completed.

Now here is another thought. The game machanics are absolutly horrible. Why the developers decided to use this game engine, really makes no sense. I mean how much thought was put into that choice? Ontop of that, the game itself is just boring. I could design a house and build it using cow crap and invite some of the most exceiting people in the world there. It's only going to be fun till they leave, no one is going to want to stay once they are gone. Planeshift is crap, and the only thing that makes it good is the players playing it. It may sound harsh, but this is reality.

20 - 30 years from now I can see virtual reality. Maybe even less time. Heck, Sony has a patent on an idea to use frequencies to simulate all 5 senses. They have already been seccesful in being able to create a device to move objects on a screen with your mind.

This game stands no chance in the future, because it's only a matter of time someone makes a game similar but 100x better.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: bilbous on August 07, 2011, 09:30:56 pm
It is not the destination that is important, it is the travel to get there. There is no future, there is only Now ... err .. I mean now! .... not then but Now!!!
Anyway the point is the real game is not Yliakum and it's denizens, it is the development team and its contributers. If you think any differently you are bound to be disappointed.

Me, I don't play the game, I'm just a kibitzer. I point with glee at bad implementations and secretly chortle at ideas that seem stupid. Sometimes my comments are useful, other times not, and sometimes I try to amuse the people who have missed the bus, playing in the game's virtual world.

If you are not having fun you are not trying hard enough, no pain no gain they always say.

Fun is over-rated.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Earowo on August 07, 2011, 10:39:43 pm
As my art teacher always told me sarcastically

No fun of any kind.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Mekora on August 08, 2011, 12:42:37 am
I feel manly when I try to sharpen my pencil with a knife...

Oh, and Bilbous is correct. Go listen to that Miley Cyrus song, "The Climb" and you'll know what he's talking about :)

Yes I feel extra stupid today.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Talad on August 08, 2011, 06:56:48 am

I have been told the line "They work on it in their free time". That is totally understandable. However, what I am getting at is, this game has no future at all. It's been in development for 8+ years. It is no where near completion. At the current rate of creation, and the goal for what the game is suppose to be, the main creators would be dead before the game is completed.

You say you played it for 2 years, so probably you found something into it. The game has served hundreds of players for years, and many have enjoyed it. It's probably not completed, but still it's a game some people like to play, actually there are people playing it a lot. So see it as if every release is a new game, and probably it will look different. We know the fun factor is still pretty low in game, and we are working to improve it, but I can assure you there are ways to have fun.


The game machanics are absolutly horrible. Why the developers decided to use this game engine, really makes no sense. I mean how much thought was put into that choice?


The game engine has been built by us from scratch as a challenge to our wills, to learn something new, and to shape it as we want. We could have bought a commercial engine, and then be a clone of another game, but we decided not to.

About the overall improvements I think there are two conflicting factors. On one side the new features and areas we add, on the other the improvements of other commercial games, which set the bar a bit higher every few months. I don't think it's a lost battle, because actually we already won. We made the only opensource mmorpg in existance made by volunteers, which is playable and running. The future is still unknown, and depends on many factors some of which are strong willied and talented people joining the team. If you know some send them to us.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Caratacos on August 08, 2011, 08:15:36 am
well, I suppose my issue is that while I enjoy the game, it's mostly for the RP and community aspect, and I'm in the habit of playing for a while every few months and then dissipating again, mostly because the grind just gets on my nerves (especially when one considers it's now at 200 for skills...) I personally HATE grinding, particularly on a game that is supposed to be RP focused, it takes away time I could be using to RP because I need to get my various skill levels up high enough to fight properly, or my angry dwarf is somewhat limited in what he can do, it can get a wee bit frustrating.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: bilbous on August 08, 2011, 09:24:03 am
If you can't role play when you are grinding then you are doing it wrong. Stop for a minute or two to share a laugh or complaint with some other grinder, that mob will wait. When you are studying for that big exam at the library do you hide in a room and make your eyes bleed or do you get up every now and then interact with the other grinders, I mean students, Sure you can get up from your computer and go tease your little sister in the kitchen but that doesn't help your character any, taking little breaks in the game to shoot the breeze makes all the difference.

It shouldn't be out of character to train hard to get your character where you want to go, it is kind of out of character to train to the exclusion of everything else. If you do that then your character is flawed.

I get pretty steamed with all you people who think you can do something called "roll play" inside the game, and be out of character the rest of the time -- indeed the tip of the day reinforces this bad habit when it tells you to consider you character like it is in a play. There is no intermission, set pieces do not end, you are your character when you are in the game and everything you do reveals your character. If you are always doing OOC stuff and claiming it is not part of your character you are like the guy who hangs out in gay bars and tries to pretend, somehow, that he never does and isn't gay. If you find the gay analogy offensive, replace it with emo, disco, punk, whatever else you want. You are what you do no matter how much you deny it.

Planking is an up and coming hobby in the real world, PS has its gargoyling equivalent, standing immobile on perches be they in the plaza or on rooftops. Weirdos gotta be weirdos. If you want to just stand there and chat climb under a house where you won't be seen and your precious character will not be affected. If you are standing there in the open doing nothing or running in circles or whatever it displays a part of your character that you may not intend.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Aramara Meibi on August 08, 2011, 10:59:21 am
Planking is an up and coming hobby in the real world, PS has its gargoyling equivalent, standing immobile on perches be they in the plaza or on rooftops. Weirdos gotta be weirdos. If you want to just stand there and chat climb under a house where you won't be seen and your precious character will not be affected. If you are standing there in the open doing nothing or running in circles or whatever it displays a part of your character that you may not intend.

if you see either of my girls doing such a thing, one is most likely spying on someone (your mileage may vary on how well) and the other is meditating. both are completely IC. I agree with you Bilbous, one should remain IC from the moment they log in to the moment they log out. afk may be the one exception, but seriously, if you're going to be afk for more than 15 minutes, just log off already. Even then, I know some players who remain IC even when logged off. I've had entire IC conversations through email. I think that's the whole point with RP, you can go ahead and take this entire game away, but the true RPers will find a way to continue the RP, whether it be entirely in their own head, written down as fanfic, done through IM or chat, whatever... the game just makes it a little bit more immersive and gives us a platform to interact with many players at once.

also consider your character's reality when RPing. they live in a world where death ain't such a big deal, magic solves everything, there are multiple gods who are very real and active, and people stand still and unresponsive in the same location for hours, even days. it's all just part of their reality. I remember once I encountered a glitch when trying to leave the arena, the game kept beaming me back to the arena steps. yes, me the player knew it was a glitch, but poor Ara was scared half to death because she thought some cruel god was playing a trick on her. there was a group of players dueling or something nearby, and I tried to RP it with them, but they just didn't get it. they just couldn't wrap their heads around the idea that a game glitch could be RPable. i was bummed.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Caratacos on August 08, 2011, 12:32:12 pm
I do try RP while grinding, I just don't find that many others appear while i'm doing it generally, that's all, it just tends to get on my nerves a bit :P
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: tssthorn on August 09, 2011, 03:22:31 am

You say you played it for 2 years, so probably you found something into it. The game has served hundreds of players for years, and many have enjoyed it. It's probably not completed, but still it's a game some people like to play, actually there are people playing it a lot. So see it as if every release is a new game, and probably it will look different. We know the fun factor is still pretty low in game, and we are working to improve it, but I can assure you there are ways to have fun.

The game engine has been built by us from scratch as a challenge to our wills, to learn something new, and to shape it as we want. We could have bought a commercial engine, and then be a clone of another game, but we decided not to.

About the overall improvements I think there are two conflicting factors. On one side the new features and areas we add, on the other the improvements of other commercial games, which set the bar a bit higher every few months. I don't think it's a lost battle, because actually we already won. We made the only opensource mmorpg in existance made by volunteers, which is playable and running. The future is still unknown, and depends on many factors some of which are strong willied and talented people joining the team. If you know some send them to us.

I played it for 2 years, because I enjoyed the people. I was also thinking about applying to help with the project, but I really didn't see much happening.

I am a bit surprised to have actually gotten a response from you ,Talad, of all people. I am also surprised at the fact you all made the engine yourself. I give you kudos for that, because not many game developers go that extra mile. If I had known, I probably wouldn't have ragged about the engine because I know it's pretty hard to start from scratch like that.

As for talented people? I do know a few. I don't know if any of them would be interested though as they are pretty focused on their own project. They some how got me involved because they needed someone who knew quite a bit about the source engine and most of it's tools. I would be willing to lend a hand if I had the chance to, but for some reason I doubt I am good enough.  :sweatdrop:

Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: LigH on August 10, 2011, 02:07:21 am
Yikes  :sweatdrop: I have not played PS in years. I recenetly returned only to play for a few hours here and there.

\\o// Hey, little ruby, wibble wobble! ;)
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: shrapnel on September 05, 2011, 05:01:21 am
<sigh>
I'll agree saying "This game is not fun" and stopping there is poor. After all no real feedback there. The Admins and Devs need to listen though too. Looking at this game I have to wonder if it tried being too big right out of the gate. A smaller world would leave more time to develop sub-systems better. It's too late now, unless someone wants to "reboot" the world and everything in it. Even then people would complain.

I see systems that don't have enough people working on them, for the size of the project. I see some poor organization as to the breakdown to the mechanics and sub-system maintenance required.  This includes the quest sub-system with all its broken quests and parts that don't mesh well at the moment. I can see some opacity in the ground I walk on and see the skybox underneath. I can see where some terrain meshes don't connect, or don't connect right and the holes left behind.

I started playing around 2006-7, the last of the 0.3.x period and stopped around 0.4.0, not to come back until 0.5.7, and some changes. Some good, some that were "What the..." moments. I left because the game was starting to get boring, even with friends. Then I come back to a game that in some ways seems to have taken a few steps backward while trying to improve. I feel this game has a lot of potential, it just isn't realizing it because some things are too complicated or not explained clearly enough.

It's fun when you got friends to play with... Solution: make friends and play with them.

It's not fun when quests leave you clueless, or frustrated because you don't know where to go, who to see, or if you have to initiate the conversation by typing, or hoping the dialog box pops up all the time.  Players can't directly do much about it, except file bug reports where it's a bug, and grumble when it's not. Devs need more people with all the right access to all the appropriate code and IP to fix it properly.

It's not so fun when before you took a break, your character could take on an ulber alone and win, just to come back and find that so many below an ulber are now hard to beat, AND EVEN WORSE: The gage used to determine if a monster is something you  can tackle says you have a chance, only to have your life redirected to the death realm 3-5 hits from the monster later. I understand balancing, but I can't understand a system that says you have a chance to win a fight when you can't.

I'd suggest the devs get together somehow, and revisit all the design documentation, and how they can get it back on track, while not being afraid to cut what has been found to be bad, and try something else if need be. The devs need more people to help. 8+ years is a LONG time, for any game. (Someone brought up Duke Nukem Forever, A game where the graphics can show when they were developed, and game play showing nothing original and cutting edge like Duke Nukem 3D did when it was new.)

Would I help? I dunno. But, if the vision for this game is lost, the game is sure to follow.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Earowo on September 05, 2011, 02:04:41 pm
It's not fun when quests leave you clueless, or frustrated because you don't know where to go, who to see, or if you have to initiate the conversation by typing, or hoping the dialog box pops up all the time.  Players can't directly do much about it, except file bug reports where it's a bug, and grumble when it's not. Devs need more people with all the right access to all the appropriate code and IP to fix it properly.
Heres the thing, the only time I recall the message box ever popping up for 'any' quest, is when you give the ol, I need a quest, chat, the box pops up to accept or deny, never after that, That does NOT mean you have to type the rest of the quest, if you right click the npc and hit them lips, you get your next set of choices..
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Sarras Volcae on September 05, 2011, 02:36:54 pm
probably won't look at this thread again. but i have something to say! so i'm gonna say it before i forget.

WOULD BE GREAT IF TALAD SAW THIS!

now that i'm banned from zeroping, i've realized that TSS thorn (lol) is right! the only reason i played was because the players were fun. on ezpc, there isn't really anybody online. it's far too hard to level up to be worth my time (and i have just about nothing to do right now). the quests are so ridiculously tedious. they're horrible compared to every other game i've played, such as WoW or runescape or maplestory or... well, every other game. i only levelled my character because i wanted to be able to match other players in power.

talad, you've attracted a great community. this is probably due to the game's genre, not how the game actually works. free strictly roleplaying 3D MMORPGs are hard to come by. so you're practically a monopoly here. you could do whatever you want with the game and people are still going to play. i know that you're all about originality, but you might have to sacrifice that for the game mechanics. if they were similar to most other games out there, this game would be a lot more popular.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Maisent on September 05, 2011, 03:14:42 pm
I agree with Sarras, I only go on to chat with people. I also am in EZPC also now and I started training there because i've met a few people. If I haven't met them, I wouldn't be training or wouldn't even be in EZPC, i'd just go online for 5 minutes and then log off. But now I go on hours a day chatting while training.

Questing sucks and it's very boring. So is crafting, mining and training. Even RP, you will find those snobs who will label you. I really just go on ZP to chat or to duel. Occasionally I train, If I have nothing else to do.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: acraig on September 05, 2011, 03:38:35 pm

Questing sucks and it's very boring. So is crafting, mining and training. Even RP, you will find those snobs who will label you. I really just go on ZP to chat or to duel. Occasionally I train, If I have nothing else to do.

I have some ideas on crafting but I want to flesh them out before I approach Talad with them.  Since my time is rather sporadic I would rather have a plan together first. 
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Vakachehk on September 06, 2011, 05:41:14 am
I couldn't agree more with what Sarras and Shrapnel has said!!
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Chucki on September 19, 2011, 06:49:42 am
Lol, someone posted a thread saying the game is no fun and it has four pages of dramatic, emotional, heartbreakingly sad replies already.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: shrapnel on November 21, 2011, 06:38:57 am

It's not fun when quests leave you clueless, or frustrated because you don't know where to go, who to see, or if you have to initiate the conversation by typing, or hoping the dialog box pops up all the time.  Players can't directly do much about it, except file bug reports where it's a bug, and grumble when it's not. Devs need more people with all the right access to all the appropriate code and IP to fix it properly.
Heres the thing, the only time I recall the message box ever popping up for 'any' quest, is when you give the ol, I need a quest, chat, the box pops up to accept or deny, never after that, That does NOT mean you have to type the rest of the quest, if you right click the npc and hit them lips, you get your next set of choices..

PERHAPS I should have been clearer. There are times when even clicking on those red lips turns up a No Quest Information message, when I've heard rumors that the quest exists, but you have to manually initiate it by typing.  IF the NPC expects a reply, AND the converstion was started with the dialog box, what reason is there for it NOT popping up automatically with your pre-scripted responses (that any others, will get the don't understand messages, or in some quests, give you them with an answer from the dialog box) I did figure out the lips-thing AFTER I posted that initially, but... I ultimately still see no future here if devs don't want to find out why people abandon PS and take the reasons into consideration. They just might as well just get a live-chat room or two open for RPing (scripted or ad-libbed)

Like I said before, I can understand the lack of DEV team, GMs, Testers, etc... after all, they are all non-paying positions held by those who have faith in this game's existence, Believe deeply in the Genre, or need the experience to get hired by a commercial studio. What I don't understand is why it seems like the environment FAILS and then drives people off (Since I've been back, I think I've only seen a player count in the mid-thirties, compared to 100+ back then. that's better than a 50% loss.)
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Illysia on November 21, 2011, 10:14:25 am
Well, this topic is something I've already bitterly complained about ad nauseam, so I'll skip that bit for now. No need to even reference the old complaints since not a blessed thing has changed, and new and old complaints blend seamlessly as a result. ;D

However, I will say this, complaining, explaining, offering suggestions, passionate pleas, bashing people's heads in with logic, etc. have not really helped in the past. However, pointing stuff out, in the past in particular, used result in the smoldering, charred remains of the forum, so I guess that is at least one chance for the better. But, overall, it doesn't result in the lasting environment change needed to shore up the weak spots.

So, my suggestion is to make a list for yourself of what you are looking for in PS. I'm serious, identify what it is exactly that you are looking to get out of this game. If what you are looking for has to do with people, do what you can to find the people that fit that. The RP preferences thread (http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/smf/index.php?topic=40438.msg453165#msg453165) is already a big step in that direction. Make use of it. ;) If what you are looking for is game mechanics and requires code, or someone making something, go find yourself another game. PS doesn't have the resources to change and it can't motivate the playerbase like it used to so new help won't come as fast either.

Ultimately, you just have to play PS for the fun you can get from it, and move on when the fun goes away.

And yes Aiwendil.... I know. You told me so.  :P
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Rigwyn on November 21, 2011, 10:26:15 am

Where I work, we have a saying:   "It is what it is."
If you want to have fun, you need to make friends and enjoy their company.

Unless you have a serious case of autism and OCD and enjoy just sitting there all alone and clicking on things...
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: LigH on November 21, 2011, 10:52:00 am
It always reminds me on the DVD about Yehudi Menuhin I once witnessed its production at "digital images":

The bad teacher tells his pupil he was wrong. The good teacher tells his pupil how to advance.

Or in a different way: Complaining is easy. Improving is not.
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: shrapnel on November 22, 2011, 06:10:47 pm

Where I work, we have a saying:   "It is what it is."
If you want to have fun, you need to make friends and enjoy their company.

Unless you have a serious case of autism and OCD and enjoy just sitting there all alone and clicking on things...

Insulting any player base that's left with legitimate medical conditions is definitely no way to improve the user base, or help keep the user base you still have. Of course the game "is what it is." And obviously, improving isn't easy while complaining is! Pushing buttons all day isn't fun either, especially when the buttons and underlying sub-structures don't work as advertised/as they should.

Everything depends upon the quality of experience . . . just as no man lives or dies to himself, so no experience lives and dies to itself. Isn't Planeshift supposed to be about the WHOLE experience? If the experience with a broken and tedious questing system, or having playable races removed from playability (when they should have actually been reserved until ready to play) an experience with Planeshift? All the experiences COMBINED is what makes up the Planeshift experience, and when enough of the small experiences fail, it reflects badly on the whole. To tell a user, who complains about something, to just "^&%#-Off," shows elitism and a total lack of respect of ALL players. Any experience is mis-educative that has the effect of arresting or distorting the growth of further experience.


The bad teacher tells his pupil he was wrong. The good teacher tells his pupil how to advance.

Or in a different way: Complaining is easy. Improving is not.

"Only a teacher? Thank God I have a calling to the greatest profession of all! I must be vigilant every day lest I lose one fragile opportunity to improve tomorrow." Ivan Welton Fitzwater

Who is the teacher and who is the student?
"Instruction begins when you, the teacher, learn from the learner; put yourself in his place so that you may understand . . . what he learns and the way he understands it." Soren Kierkegaard
Title: Re: This game is not fun
Post by: Rigwyn on November 22, 2011, 07:37:26 pm
If you want the game to be better, roll up your sleeves and join the dev team.
If you can't code then don't complain; its pointless, trust me.

Believe me, we have all seen the game's shortcomings. Its buggy and has its faults. There is no agument there. I've found that constructively pointing out what could be improved did nothing. Complaining loudly did nothing either. Personally, I don't really care that much any more. If the game tanks again, I'll just pack up go to another game or forum.  What I have observed, however; is that people seem to stick around because of the other players that they meet - whether they are role players, power levelers, or forum trolls.

I didn't mean to insult you or anybody with autism or OCD with what I said earlier. I was merely using those images to express how repetitious and monotonous the game is. Hope this clarifies what I was trying to say.