I am not sure how to go forward without insulting many people here, but I fear that most of you simply don?t get what is at issue, then again you may simply want this as a forum to say, ?this is what I want in the game?.

In truth, I had hoped that better heads would prevail, but they appear to have run for the hills.

In this game there will be no ?PKing? Vs. unwilling unacknowledged opponents, when I say unacknowledged, I mean that they know they are under possible danger of attack and have options to avoid it and still play the game normally.

What is much more at stake is the level of  PvP. To truly understand the stance of most of the powers that be (devs) is to view a game where if I don?t want to fight you and we are at war?I really don?t have to. I will not even begin to explain the lack of options for thieving from PCs other then to say?there won?t be any unless things change.

The current goal of this game is to provide a world to explore and adventure in, where the good guys, (the players) have a clear understanding of the bad guys (the MOBs wanting to kill you) as far as plot complexity?there will be those few NPCs that change sides.

I am oversimplifying greatly and to quote me on this would be folly, as I am simply venting a level of frustration at the disconnect that this portion (and many others) of the forum seems to have.

I am vehemently the strongest supporter of thieving content in this game, and I mean much more then simply picking pockets or muggings, of the devs. And yet what you all seem to want is not really a role playing game, but a game of one-upmanship, conquest at no risk, lowbrow jollies on someone?s misery. Simply said this game will not have that, nore will it have open field PKing with people playing cops and robbers (or some variation of that). Quite simply, think of all of your character as being heroic and united in a plight against external forces. Where differences are contested in a formal (sometimes bloody, but always formal) confrontation.

That being said, do ?I? want this?not really. But that is the current focus. Those of you who want PK/full looting/thiving/? will never get your wish from this game. This sub forum was made for you to vent a bit, as well as hopefully add some good ideas on how to make a fair and nice PvP/thief friendly environment, and with some very slight exceptions I have not gotten any of that in the last 4 months or more from this thread.

Will I do anything about it, not really. But I will say that those of you who think the will of this subforum will make the game have more PKing, NO!!! your time and effort is completely wasted, and better spent else where. I would suggest another game, or outside enjoying the coming spring. In fact I fear that many of  the posts here only invite more inflexible  regulation on any PvP in the game at all, at least at this stage. And thus making it worse for all who want more PvP content.

Anyway those are my current musings, do with them as you wish, I only suggest you start coming up with something better then bounty hunters, while I see merit in the idea, it does not even begin to cut it.

We are talking about something where eather everyone can enjoy, that is especially true for non-PKers, or it will not be in the game.

The focus of this game currently is ?Core-Role Players? for those who don?t know what that is, it is the people who will be interested in the latest fashions of PS, who is who, what the news of the day is in the world as much as killing the next mob and gaining EXP.  

While one can argue?I am role-playing and sadistic thug?the only sadistic thugs in the game will be NPCs if things go as they are currently planed.

Again not my idea of ?fun? but much more acceptable then open range PK, And all in all you have shadowbane.

For those of you who want a free alternative?not a great game to focus on, our focus currently is based on making the game that is as close to on-par with a purchased game as possible and your Pentium 3 and 3 year old video card will not cut it, even after we optimize things.

Anyways have a good time. And again, none of this is written in stone and all may change, but it will not be on the argument of ?beause Pking/thieving is better and more real? or the 1000 slight variations of that. You are not our current target audience and probably never will be.  

Why is it, that when people think of thieving in a game it is only pick pocketing?

Pick pocketing is only one level above begging on the scale of ?thief abilities? in truth there should just be a slight of hand skill, as pick pocketing is just one small chapter in a legendary thief?s life?

Is it only because it is a staple in computer games?

PK, or player killer is when a player for no real reason is able to attack another player (this will not be in the game) except in very limited areas of the game

PvP, or player Vs player, is when a player can attack others for some reason and he is also a target to the other player. Many games today have this as the primary motivation for their game and as such not only encourage it, but make it mandatory. We will not make it mandatory, but optional to partake.

Now the current line of thought among the people who want PK is that it can be done and enforced easily. In reality the only way this would be done is with very extreme penalties, and thus make it a moot point.

Some have said that extreme PKers can be banned, well I?ll ask you for a full proof way to ban people on a free game specially when IPs are can be random. We don?t have the luxtury of credit card name or address banning. There are ways yes, but it would require our intervention in an extreme way, and no one from that household will be able to play until they change ISPs or hardware configurations depending how it is done.

And as the story line of the game as it stands now, such anti-progressive activity would be viewed as treason, we would then have to have secret police investigating such activity and rendering the character unplayable.

As such it would be poor game play.

And I think it is much better to simply say this activity will not be in the game at all.

Now that said.

I think it would be a great game if we where all part of one side or another all fighting for control of some type and each looking after number one (ourselves) and that the game focused on our actions and we where both friend to some and foe to others.

But the simple answer to my much longer proposal then that with explanations to many areas of that was this ?Sounds like a great game, but it will not be Planeshift?.

So while I am one of the most sympathetic to the PK and PvP areas, it is not planned to be in this game as wanted.

Don?t think that I got this subforum started to have people accusing me of  not having the foresight or grey matter to understand the possibilities and many positive things both these things can bring to the game. If anything it is the opposite. But sadly it is not me you must win over, or even other people who frequent these boards.

And to date I have not seen a system of PK that I really like that would fit our game. Taken to an extreme I can tell you that if this system had PKing at this point, it will suck badly. As people would not really know who is who and there is no real way to con people at this point. So there really is no low level person we can protect well from high levels. And so even trying to balance would be really hard because progression is much more 3 dimensional in that just because someone is supposedly more powerful does not mean he can?t easily be killed by some not so common method that he just does not have the defenses for.

As such it is very simple for someone to have your number and become your bane. This may seem cool, but it is not, it simply means anyone may have the potential to take you out, and at the same time be immune to anything you can do to them. Guilds would be able to rule areas for a given amount of time just by laying claim, or as suggested charge a toll for using that area.
 This is by far against everything this game is about. But nothing is stopping any of you, or me for that matter from making a game where this activity is encouraged. Most of this game will be open source and as such, you can apply the rules and models you want and start a game of your own. But it will not be Planeshift.    

This is to start things on a good foot, since I think mostly the Pro PK people will answer here, it is biased but what the hey?we can see how a little poll goes.

Ok, I have my reasons.

1st I could ignore it for the most part.
2nd we can have large PvP FAQ sticky at the top and people can easily find it when needed.
3rd well there is a chance someone comes up with a really good PvP concept that changes all our minds.

Can we make a subforum? Like one inside the wish list that covers the most popular topics? This would be another area I would not mind.

Ah just a thought.

Ok in a past tread, here

It was mentioned that writing essays and using words like flippant was not helping matters, I am wondering if anyone can explain why flippant is not a good word.  Sure it has more then one meaning, but I think is was obvious when taken into context.

However I realize now it was bad to do that to a newbie, I did not know he/she was a newbie I just posted my original comment as a snide joke.

Anyway I am hoping others on the message board can enlighten me on the bad uses of flippant.

I?m looking for recruits. For the Settings Team and the  Rules Team. Settings can use as many as possible?Rules only if you are good and I really like you.

PM me with the following info.

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Send it to me in a PM, I?ll respond in the next few days asking for more info.

Ok here is the question, and I?m asking mainly because this is a pet peeve of mine, and I want to see what others think.

Would you all rather have 15+ versions of the same basic spell, for example:

Minor healing = heals 1-5 hp
Lesser healing = heals 3-8 hp
Minor Refreshment = heals 5-12 hp
Lesser Refreshment = heals 8-15 hp
Minor Renovation = heals 12-20 hp
Lesser Renovation = heals 15-30 hp
Healing = heals 20-35 hp
Refreshment = heals 25-40 hp
Renovation = heals 30-50 hp
Improved Healing = heals 42-65 hp
Improved Refreshment = heals 48-70 hp
Improved Renovation = heals 50-80 hp
Greater Healing = heals 60-110 hp
Greater Refreshment = heals 80-130 hp
Greater Renovation = heals 100-150 hp ?

 Or a system where based on skill, mana, and choices you have one Basic heal spell and based on a number of options you can customize this spell to act as you wish it too.

So in essence, what would you rather have?