I certainly didn't come back to take up this fight. I had no idea it was even on the table until some friends whispered me "Hey Eelin! You can't be here...you're extinct" (I paraphrase). The logic behind this, as I interpret it, is that the devs don't wish to devote scarce resources into developing the models or the history/lore of the Diaboli.

Talad,
Consider the possibility that perhaps you are looking for a solution where one is not needed. I would suggest that you need do nothing at all to keep the players and the devs happy. We have our history and lore. We created it from what you gave us. We have our characters, fine-tuned around the backstory we were given. Many have worked countless hours skilling up those characters in an environment that is still not very condusive to it, and still under development. Every Diaboli character that I know tries very hard to RP within the framework you gave us....good or bad, we try because you said that's who we are. So, that's who we became. And whether we play twice a year or everyday, our Diaboli characters have made an impact in this world, and we have strong RP relationships based on that, just as every other race in Yliakum.

So please, consider doing nothing. Don't build the models...don't write any more history. We can do fine on our own. That's the magnificence and brilliance of it. You gave us the tools but we, the players, make this world what it is. Taking away who we are, especially on an RP server, is a death sentence to our characters, and there are many many more than myself who shouldn't have to start over.

If you are so deaf to the voices of your players, and intent on making this change, maybe you could implement this change on the EZPCUSA server, where the impact would be far less.

Hmmm, an incomplete summary at that.

Perhaps the moderator will move these unrelated posts to the correct thread, where I will be quite anxious to respond.

Upon finding them in the square at a certain point Venorel thrust both her longswords into Ahriman's back only to have him RP a paper cut.

You have to remember that in an encounter with several people attacking one person, everyone involved needs to give that player the time to respond. What happens consistently is that people will just walk up to the dispute and start casting spells and thrusting swords, without even taking the time to understand what is really going on. Most of the time those actions end up making little sense because when the player being attacked responds to an action that was taken prior to theirs, it usually removes him from the situation that the latter person attacked under, as was the case with Venorel. Ven just suddenly attacked Ahriman as she walked up to the encounter, and he was in the middle of flying towards someone else, which he still responded to as a glancing cut that caused a lot of bleeding.
My point is just this: When someone is being attacked by a mob in an encounter, we all need to slow down and not just barrel into the frey with swords flying. Just give the person a chance to respond to each action, and not thirteen others while they are responding to the first. We should also make some effort to understand the situation and make our actions make sense for our characters in that particular encounter.

yes indeed ... just another form of god-modding.

Coming from someone who has such a clear grasp of God-modding, I suppose I should be humbled.

(14:19:54) Qata says: Leicace is a daughter of Xiosia. The goddess has much concern for her well being and has instructed me to evaluate this ring for possibl adverse magic

8-15-10
Friends and PS Community:  MY APOLOGY and CLARIFICATION

It was brought to my attention that some folks may have inferred meanings from my original post that I didn’t intend. Specifically some think, from reading my post, that I was accusing Eelin of the issues in my items two and three. That wasn’t and isn’t my intention at all.

My first comment was in direct response to Eelin’s post.   I still believe it to be true that role plays change, no matter how much planning happens, and that there was never an OOC plan or agreement to include torture or rape in our engagement rp. Eelin and I and I think everyone else involved concur on that. It wasn’t planned.

My second and third comments DO NOT refer to Eelin/ Ahriman. I am truly sorry if anyone has drawn that conclusion. I did not intend to accuse Eelin or his player, or anyone specific, of these issues. I meant my comments about using rape as entertainment as general comments. I meant my questions as to 'do we know who we play with' as general questions, as cautions to us all as responsible people.

I am truly sorry to you, Eelin, that you have borne the brunt of this misconstruing of my general meanings.

Comment 3 was also meant as a general comment. Please don’t assume that I was calling anyone a predator. That is certainly not what I meant. My comment was about generally behaving as caring and humane people.

Finally I am retracting my entire comment about my PS virtual character being ‘nice to slime buckets’ because that was taken wrong too apparently.  Roled as you know is a goodie two shoes mostly. I am sorry for any hurt feelings I have caused by his spouting off and bluster. And for my responsibility as his player for allowing him to do so.

 I do stand by my final sentence in the original post.

Please let’s act like human beings and not sociopaths.

On that note I apologize again, to Eelin, to anyone I have offended in character or ooc, through my flawed humanness and my mistakes. I am truly, truly sorry for any mistakes I have made, any untrue rumors about anyone especially Eelin, and any hurt players have borne from me opening my mouth.

And as I told Eelin today, Please know that everything I have said, I said out of a place of love and respect. I may be wrong in my assessment of the impact of what I was saying, and I may have been clumsy and unclear in my expression. But please know my intention was/is to contribute to making our little game world more loving and more respectful.

I am truly sorry for all the ways that I have failed in fulfilling my own intentions.

Sincerely,

Roled and
Roled’s player

This should have been attached to Tessra's quote of Roled's original post, as his intent was for clarification of that original.

And as I told Eelin today, Please know that everything I have said, I said out of a place of love and respect.

Roled,
Thank you for clearing that up. I know where your heart is and I maintian my utmost respect for you!

I appreciate the way you contribute to this discussion, Eelin. At least, it seems to be possible to talk to you in a civilized manner.

We seem to agree to disagree in some areas. That's life.

Thank you, Troyyer. I took the time to respond to your original post hoping to answer your question. I'm the nicest guy in the world, and harbor no hate or resentment to anyone. Some have a tendency to attach Ahriman's actions and beliefs to me, the player. Ahri was just a character created for a plot...most definately evil, but most definately not me!