hmm oki i\'ll try to explain it a little bit.

the basic idea was 1 world with pvp and pve chars. when you start the game you are always pve flagged, so you can\'t attack another player. if you want the thrill, all you need to do is go to the next pvp-npc talk with him and accept the flag. after an hour you will be able to attack other players but only those who enabled pvp at such an npc. once you die, the flag is lost and you need to go to an npc again. this is important so peoples can\'t just come back and attack over and over again.

well after i read all those threads i think it\'s time to post another idea/mix of ideas which might work for everyone without causing troubles.


there r two basic rules
- the pvp-system needs to coexist with the pve system without causing troubles for the non pvp players
- the chance to harrass someone by using pvp should be close to be impossible


so...
- place a NPC at every town which can flag u for pvp once u enable pvp u will need to wait 1 real time hour until u get flagged for it
- if u get killed by a player it\'s like a real death for u but u\'ll loose the pvp flag
- to get rid of the PvP flag u\'ll need to go the NPC again and after another hour u\'ll get rid of the PvP flag
- looting items or equipment is not possible
- duel should be allowed too, for those who don\'t want to wait an hour but this way both sides need to agree to it
- pvp spots like an arena shouldn\'t cause any problems if they aren\'t too large, since u enter the area at ur own risk


that\'s the basic idea. features can always be added like
- group or guildflags(which would make a guildwar unnecessary) peoples who join the group/guild will get a pvp flag after an real time hour. if someone gets killed he will be non-pvp flagged for an hour
- or if u kill guards or certain NPCs u get PvP flagged either


the problem of looting or stealing items or money is that the players might use it for griefing others. i think that\'s a good base for a discussion without getting any of both sides into troubles with each other or disturb their xping/hunting/exploring.