Persons that have taken up project: Gova, Asmo, Anysu, Sacho, Kanuby and Cormah
Meeting Logs:
(14:09:18) Evirea nods. "It is my job to worry, in a way," she replies easily. "...Mmm. I'm thinking of having that meeting now, about the blue way research. Are you well enough to sit in a council chair and pretend to pay attention?" She grins.
(14:10:57) Cormah smiles softly "Anytime, at least now I have an excuse I do that on a normal day i'm afraid!"
(14:11:42) Asmo walks into the hospital, smilling.
(14:12:59) Evirea grins. "Alright then." She offers him his arm. "Let's get you over there, shall we?"
(14:14:09) Cormah stands slowly with Evirea's help
(14:14:48) Evirea helps Cormah into a chair.
(14:14:58) Cormah is helped to a seat by Evirea he smiles at her saying little instead expressing his thanks through non verbal expressions
(14:16:18) Evirea nods to Gova, Sacho and Asmo. "Thank you for coming. The others should be here shortly, if you want to take a seat."
(14:16:26) Evirea does so herself.
(14:18:35) Asmo nods and walks around to the far seat "Of course."
(14:19:04) Anysu says: Hello Asmo, Gova, Evirea, Sacho and guild brother Cormah.
(14:19:13) Evirea says: Kanuby stated he'd be here shortly. Business at the market, it seems. For now, I suppose it'd be fine to outline what the research is going to entail. First off, does everyone know...
(14:19:18) Evirea smirks at Anysu. "Well then. Nevermind."
(14:20:23) Cormah smiles at Anysu "Hey Any"
(14:21:15) Asmo smiles "Greetings Anysu, and to the rest of you as well."
(14:22:29) Cormah nods in turn at the others in a respectful fashion
(14:24:00) Sacho listens quietly.
(14:24:36) Evirea clears her throat. "Some time ago a blue way user came in here and gave me some interesting ideas. She proposed that a patient in a coma, dying from an illness, might be carefully preserved - with a complex working of the blue way."
(14:25:42) Evirea says: The research I propose centers mainly around figuring out how to get the body into this state - and how to safely draw them back out of it again.
(14:26:01) Gova frowns. "Preserved? In what way?"
(14:26:35) Evirea looks to Gova. "For lack of a better word, frozen."
(14:26:38) Anysu listens curious and intently to such an idea.
(14:26:52) Evirea says: The potential that this could be done without harming the patient, is, of course, in question.
(14:27:13) Sacho says: That may be easier said than done. If you fully freeze a body, the ice will damage the body.
(14:27:13) Evirea says: Which is why it needs extensive research - first on simple animals, then moving upwards slowly to more complex living creatures.
(14:27:41) Evirea nods to Sacho. "As I am aware. I'm not even entirely sure the process could be done without that damage - but I feel that it is worth the research."
(14:28:19) Gova says: But how would that work? I've frozen food before, and it never thaws perfectly. Hate to see what it would do to a person.
(14:28:39) Asmo nods "I see... it may be possible with some colaboration with other mages... from other ways."
(14:29:27) Evirea motions to Asmo. "Precisely my idea. The individual also proposed that, with a mingle of blue way and crystal, healing could be delivered directly through the body, using the circulatory system. I believe these two things used in tandem might make it possible."
(14:30:00) Evirea looks to Gova. "Of course, ksib. I would never test this on a patient from the getgo. It's why I feel if we do endeavor to research this, we begin with the simplest of animals we can find."
(14:30:02) Cormah ponders the idea for a short time "There is also possible psychological effects as well as physical. How would freezing someone's brain affect their thought patterns and behaviours"
(14:30:09) Sacho thinks this over. "The Crystal could treat some of the damage by the freezing, but I don't think one could stay like that for too long, Evirea."
(14:31:21) Anysu nods in agreement at all the comments.
(14:31:22) Evirea nods at Sacho and Cormah. "Both valid points, and concerns. This process would only be used if a patient were on the brink of death - like the enkidukai suffering from the plague in Ojaveda, for instance. They will die before a cure is found. But if they could be preserved, perhaps they could be saved."
(14:31:30) Kanuby says: "I'm sorry for being late, can someone catch me up on what I've missed?"
(14:32:39) Evirea looks to Kanuby. "We are discussing the possibility of researching blue way for the matters of the preservation of dying patients."
(14:32:57) Kanuby says: 'me nods "Interesting"
(14:33:25) Gova starts mumbling. "Cold to lower temperature, Water to perhaps prevent ice damage to tissues. Maybe Tree to slow life processes?"
(14:33:55) Sacho says: However some diseases occur more quickly with magic so this still could be risky for some.
(14:34:26) Kanuby says: "How long would the preservation need to be for?"
(14:34:48) Evirea dips her head to Sacho. "Agreed," she replies. "There is no guarantee this research will create something fruitful - but there is a possibility. Of course each precaution would be taken, even -assuming- we reached a level where we could offer it to a patient whose body is failing."
(14:35:03) Sacho says: And on which race? An enkidukai and klyros react very differently to cold.
(14:35:10) Evirea looks to Kanuby. "For as long as would be possible. For now, we're not aiming for a specific time."
(14:35:51) Evirea says: It's entirely possible this process would only work for certain races, yes. Klyros, for instance, can die very quickly if they are exposed to too much cold - but it is also possible adjustments could be made to whatever procedure we devise to avoid this.
(14:37:29) Kanuby says: "I agree that starting small for research is the best course"
(14:37:41) Evirea nods to Kanuby.
(14:38:07) Evirea says: Which of you would be interested in taking up this endeavor? I do not know enough blue way, I admit, to be of much use, but I know that at least Asmo and Gova are well enough versed to be leaders.
(14:38:13) Kanuby says: "We know that freezing is useful on food and fish, but that tissue is dead"
(14:38:50) Sacho says: So what is the first thing we will use for our tests?
(14:38:53) Evirea says: Agreed, Kanuby.
(14:38:58) Kanuby says: "I would be willing assist"
(14:39:04) Cormah nods "I can help once I return from my travels"
(14:39:45) Evirea looks to Sacho. "I would surmise that at least keeping it mammalian would be best, as that makes up for the majority of the races here on the Dome. Rats, I think. If the research makes it far enough, processes for klyr could be tested on velnishi, or riverlings. Reptilian creatures."
(14:40:04) Kanuby muses "Rats? Their plentiful and it helps to keep the warehouses cleared"
(14:40:29) Kanuby nods at Evirea's suggestion
(14:40:58) Sacho says: Maybe start with kirki for Klyros?
(14:41:11) Gova says: Velnishi, perhaps. Riverlings are too advanced, I think, to be used for testing.
(14:41:14) Evirea says: A kikiri is still a warm-blooded creature.
(14:41:36) Evirea nods at Gova. "Understood. This is your project, and of course, if you are interested, you are free to work within whatever moral bounds you set for yourselves."
(14:42:08) Sacho says: I think we should avoid using Riverlings until we have something that has a chance of working, Evirea.
(14:42:27) Gova says: Much of the life processes are the same, so for initial tests we could use tlokes.
(14:42:34) Sacho says: Of course, this means rats are about to become in short supply for a while.
(14:43:20) Kanuby smiles "Maybe the warehouses and tavern owners will sponsor our research?"
(14:43:20) Evirea nods to Gova agreeably, and then looks to Sacho. She smirks. "I don't think you're going to wipe out the population of rats quite that quickly, Sacho, but if that becomes a risk then we could certainly stop. Granted, I think we would have dropped the research as a failure before that point."
(14:43:26) Gova says: And for the spell, I'm thinking it would have to be a four glyph spell. Cold to lower body temperature, Water to keep ice from forming and destroying tissues, Tree to slow life processes down, and Life to maintain the spark that keeps us alive.
(14:43:50) Gova says: The more I think about it, though, the more I think alchemy must play a major role here.
(14:44:06) Evirea looks towards Gova, intrigued. "Asmo is a master alchemist," she returns, nodding to him.
(14:44:38) Sacho says: Agreed. This isn't going to be easy and will need a mix of everything I would guess.
(14:45:04) Anysu says: I agree, a mix of other things.
(14:48:06) Evirea spreads her hands. "Now. Should it be required, there will be payment. I know some people prefer to work without it. Please state your preferences on this?"
(14:50:02) Anysu says: I do not need pay to provide my time and skills to this research. If you need funds for other purposes I will be willing to donate tria.
(14:50:22) Kanuby says: I need food
(14:50:49) Sacho says: I will let you know, Evirea.
(14:50:55) Kanuby says: "As payment"
(14:51:40) Gova says: My time was purchased and donated back to the hospital, so I cannot accept any payment.
(14:52:56) Anysu looks at Kanuby quizzical.
(14:53:18) Evirea looks at Kanuby, surprised.
(14:53:22) Evirea says: ...Of course.
(14:53:47) Kanuby says: "What? I get hungry when I work"
(14:54:00) Cormah smiles at Kanuby nodding in understanding
(14:55:18) Asmo smiles "Food does sound nice... a snack here and there while we work. I would be happy to help."
(14:56:18) Evirea chuckles quietly.
(14:56:28) Evirea says: You will of course be provided with whatever you need, foodwise, supplywise, and so forth.
(14:56:49) Asmo looks at Gova "I think the possabillity might even be that we'll need more than one mage to make it work properly... at least in most instances. We will also have to adapt the unfreezing process."
(14:56:52) Evirea says: Time to put the money we gathered to good use. Simply keep a list of what is required, and I will gather it from the locals.
(14:58:42) Kanuby looks to Asmo "Yes, the 'thawing' process will as critical if not more so than the freezing"
(14:59:01) Anysu says: So where to we begin? With rats? Will the hospital be locale used to do this research?
(15:01:04) Gova says: Fire to warm the flesh - gently, of course. Lightning to quicken the body processes, or perhaps Bow. Life again, of course.
(15:01:06) Asmo nods "A good start would be to determine at what point we stop dropping the temperature... I'd suggest maybe a crystal mage to help monitor life signs on the rat while we freeze it?"
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(15:02:01) Evirea seems to have fallen to listening to the others deliberate, but there is a smile forming on her face as she does.
(15:02:11) Anysu says: Gova is that what you suggest for rivival?
(15:02:57) Anysu also nods at Asmo's words as she waits on a reply from Gova.
(15:02:59) Gova nods. "It would require testing, of course."
(15:03:08) Anysu nods
(15:04:52) Anysu says: I can assist with monitoring life signs
(15:06:10) Evirea leans back in her chair and folds her arms over her chest. "I thank you all for your willingness in this. If you feel inclined, I encourage you to write a book on whatever your findings might be. We will add what you discover to our texts here at the hospital."
(15:06:17) Kanuby sighs "There are going to be a lot of working parts to this process: Initial freeze, maintenance, thaw"
(15:07:35) Gova nods to Kanuby. "True. Even if we succeed the person will still require careful monitoring and nutrients. We'll need to ensure that the slowed life processes don't accidentally prevent the body from absorbing the required nutrients.
(15:07:35) Anysu says: Alchemy was mentioned to help as well. Where, if we do incorperate that would that fit in?
(15:08:17) Gova says: I was thinking it might be most effective in preventing ice from forming within the tissues.
(15:08:27) Gova says: There is a freezing potion already, is there not?
(15:08:38) Kanuby says: "That's a very good question Anysu"
(15:09:08) Anysu says: Yes there is Gova.
(15:10:34) Kanuby turns to Gova "I think that storage will be very important, to have a "clean/purified" room"
(15:10:56) Gova says: True. I hadn't thought of it, but infection could be a real problem.
(15:11:29) Anysu looks at Asmo,"Alchemist freeze I think it is called?"
(15:12:06) Asmo nods "There is.
(15:12:33) Asmo says: It could also be effective in providing a large amount of essential nutrients for the body to absorb before the freezing.
(15:12:50) Gova says: Perhaps that potion could be modified to aid in the process. Introduced directly into the veins, perhaps.
(15:13:25) Evirea continues to listen to the back and forth. Her expression, despite the fact that she does not speak, shows that she is clearly intrigued.
(15:13:32) Anysu nods at both Asmo and Gova's words.
(15:13:35) Kanuby nods
(15:14:18) Kanuby says: "It will be interesting to see the different effects of the potions on the subjects"
(15:15:28) Kanuby says: "and then how long the potions stay effective"
(15:15:51) Anysu says: The clean and purify to avoid infection, makes me think again.. where will we do this research?
(15:16:17) Kanuby looks around and smiles "So, anyone taking notes?"
(15:17:11) Kanuby looks to Anysu "I was going to comment and got distracted, is there a suitable location close to the hospital?"
(15:17:54) Evirea nods to Kanuby. "A valid point. Soon, the Learning Hall will be opening up, dedicated to research and the arts."
(15:18:05) Evirea says: I should think such a locale would be suitable for most of the required experimentation.
(15:18:21) Kanuby says: "Someplace close for supplies, but distant enough to not disturb the patients"
(15:18:22) Gova says: Yes, perhaps that would be best. Wouldn't want to disturb patients in the hospital with experimentation.
(15:18:30) Anysu says: Yes that sounds best.
(15:18:46) Cormah nods in agreement
(15:19:11) Anysu says: I would not want to be the patient waking up to see on a table a frozen test subject rat.
(15:19:30) Kanuby chuckles
(15:20:32) Anysu grins.
(15:20:53) Anysu says: Evirea maybe I missed it but where is the Hall going to be located?
(15:21:22) Evirea makes a motion with her hand, curving it slightly.
(15:21:27) Evirea says: Right up the street from here.
(15:21:50) Anysu nods in understanding. "Thank you."
(15:23:33) Evirea nods. "If it would be possible, I would like to be kept up to date on whatever your findings are. I will leave whatever coordinating is required to all of you, as your respective schedules allow."
(15:24:16) Gova says: Perhaps we could leave notes in the box at the entrance here if we do any work before the Hall of learning opens.
(15:26:11) Evirea nods to Gova. "Perfect!"
(15:26:39) Anysu says: Which box is that?
(15:26:40) Kanuby says: "are we going to be concerned with roaming eyes looking at the research?"
(15:26:52) Anysu says: Good question Kanuby
(15:27:35) Kanuby says: "I agree that we need to a good way to communicate, if we are not concerned, then that is good enough for me"
(15:27:52) Evirea shakes her head.
(15:27:58) Evirea says: There won't be any laws broken in this research.
(15:28:17) Evirea says: Any patient who might eventually volunteer will likely be one with no other options at hand, and we would have their express consent.
(15:28:53) Evirea says: We would not even attempt such a thing unless we had major indication it would be a success, from the research you have conducted.
(15:28:59) Kanuby smiles "I'm sure the majority of the citizens will find the details boring anyway"
(15:29:22) Anysu says: How about opposition which might arise from others if they know of the test subjects we use?
(15:29:32) Evirea chuckles. She looks to Anysu.
(15:29:42) Evirea says: You mean people opposing us because we're testing what...rats?
(15:29:59) Anysu says: Yes that was what I was thinking.
(15:30:39) Anysu says: Or even velnishi later.
(15:30:47) Kanuby says: "Anysu brings up a good point, there will always be those opposed to the advancement we are suggesting"
(15:31:38) Kanuby says: "We will have to be prepared for those ditractors and showing the benefit"
(15:31:42) Asmo shakes his head "I can handle talking to the Xiosians that oppose... the Dakkruists most likely won't."
(15:32:16) Anysu says: The Xiosia followers did come to mind.
(15:32:22) Evirea nods. "You can leave that part to me. If there should be too much by way of fiery response, I will take full responsibility.
(15:32:37) Anysu nods at both Asmo and Evirea
(15:32:40) Evirea says: And I will handle as much of the cooling it down that I can muster.
(15:32:46) Asmo smiles "As for the other two... their religion is in sad enough state. Xiosia is a goddess of balance... that ballance includes death."
(15:33:45) Kanuby looks to Asmo "I guess that is why this process would be a choice for the individual"
(15:34:17) Asmo shakes his head "Whoever came up with the idea otherwise... is sadly mistaken. Nature shows us this much... creatures kill what they have to in order to survive... we are merely doing it ahead of schedule."
(15:35:13) Evirea nods in agreement to Asmo. "Should you ever want to host a religious lesson on it, I'm more than willing to help." She smirks. "In the very least, I find such things to be quite fascinating." She stands. "If you'll excuse me, however, there are some things I have to tend to. I thank you, and wish you luck."
(15:35:39) Sacho says: Take care, Evirea.
(15:35:48) Gova says: Kfar, Evirea.
(15:35:56) Kanuby says: "Bye Evirea"
(15:36:06) Anysu says: Farewell Evirea
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