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Gameplay => Wish list => Granted or negated Wishes => Topic started by: Siteya on January 15, 2009, 01:38:23 am
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As an herbalist that RP's healing daily I would like to request a diversity in what items can be made with herbs. It appears that potions will be the main stay but I am speaking of being able to create healing recipes...salves, herbal teas, smelling salts, poultices. I imagine it could work much like cooking, for example, you could boil down tefulsang lard and herbs to make a salve. That would make Siteya a very happy Priestess!
Thanks for your consideration
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I second that. Some diversity beyond the omnipresent potions is a great idea. I could imagine that the strong potions with immediate effect would be much more demanding to produce - both in terms of skill and amount of ingredients - while salves, teas and the sort would be simpler but weaker or simply work slower.
Teas could simply be a weaker form of potions.
Salves could provide slow but prolonged benefits like increased healing speed.
And Potions would be more the quick bang solutions.
This would be especially interesting if additional conditions would be introduced like bleeding, broken bones or diseases (like TES Oblivion) which require specialized treatment.
There's also the potential for drug like substances and of course poisons...
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This is good for the development of the skill itself indeed, and for its fun part.
For customers, on the other hand, I wonder if the lesser forms of healing would have any appeal at all. Considering how fast we heal naturally, the use of magic makes sense only during fights, in which the fastest and most powerful formulas, i.e. potions, will be chosen.
I believe lesser forms of healing would work with non-regenerating characters. And as well with healing being a higher level spell, thus a less common one.
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I too think this is a cool idea, especially since there are so many herbs and plants out in the wilds. It would make the harvesting of them more of a skill, and like spells, the combinations could be a learned/ taught art form, aw well as invite some cool rp opportunities.
:thumbup: says I!
Oh, I am,
Roled
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I think this is a great idea as whenver things are more fully implemented and I feel like actually leveling things, my character is intended to be good with herbalism and applying it to healing. Having a diversity of things would be great to separate it from alchemy.
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Maybe the standard regeneration rate will be nerfed to make such products useful (poultices, salves etc) as always we must remember that nothing is set in stone, and also that the current regen rates are still based on a time when to regen you died or waited.
I also would love to see such things available ;o)
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Aside from additional recipes, perhaps some things need preparations? Some herbs can't be used fresh, but need to be dried, smoked, boiled or otherwise processed before they are usable as ingredients. Maybe different preps of the same herb can have different effects in recipes.
And the more powerful potions could have side effects? There is a similar trend with real life medicines: the stronger they are, the more unpleasant side effects are possible and likely. So the strong potion causes a hit on stamina or temporary lowers some stat, possibly as a delayed reaction, the char might develop an addiction or a (temporary) resistance.
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smelling salts
Stamina is fully or partially healed (the jolt to the system) and damage is taken (the strong smell).
That way, there can even be diversity among the herbalism-bade items. Who says that potions can only heal health?
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*Trepor sprays poison*
*Your armor takes damage of 35%*
*You are infected by trepor bacteria*
*Trepor bacteria lowers your health for 3 points each second*
*Trepor bacteria lowers your mana for 1 point each second*
*You'll need a herbalist's help...*
auction by Akeera: EMERGENCY! need a Potion of Cure Poison as soon as possible. also interested in buying a Potion of Poison Resistance
:devil:
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Not sure if anyone is interested, but I am always looking for ways to try to get as many people contributing as possible. So I created the following document to see if we can get some new crafting material. Remember it is usually easier to choose from items that are already in the game. No guarantee that these will make the game but I hope we can have some fun with the salve idea.
Creating Simple Craft Content
Crafting in Planeshift is a series of processes that change one or more items into new items. The steps for creating simple crafting such as adding new steps to an already existing craft are the same as creating a complete new set of crafting skills. It is just a matter of scale.
The first step is defining the craft content – how you want the craft to play out. Then the craft definitions are formalized in the form of a spreadsheet to make it easier to add to the game’s database. Finally, all the support work is done by different groups of developers; creating new artwork, integrating the craft into the game settings, creating placing items in game, programming the NPCs, etc.
Let’s just talk about the first step, defining the craft. Here are the things we need to define:
1. Design item. This is the crafting or recipe book that needs to be equipped.
2. Final item with descriptions. These are useful item(s) and the descriptions the attributes that make them useful.
3. Base ingredient(s). These are usually somewhat common items that are easily found or bought.
4. Optional intermediate item(s). These can also be useless items that lead nowhere.
5. Process. The process is how the items are made. Each process is defined by one or more of the following:
a. Tools. Any needed items that need to be held while crafting.
b. Containers. Anything used to contain items while they are being crafted. This includes containers used in combining items.
c. Skills. The primary skill needed to perform the craft and an optional secondary skill.
Now we need to describe how everything interacts to create the final item. One way to show that is in a simple diagram. For example:
[Item 1] --- [Process] --> [Item 3]
[Item 2]/
Let me start.
1. “Simple Salves. A large random set of salves collected from many difference sources.”
2. Jolt Salve. Does small increase in stamina recovery over a fairly long time. Also does small amount of damage each time it is applied.
3. Blessed Nettle Leaf, Sugar, Water and White Oak Sap.
4. Blessed Nettle Tea.
5. Processes:
a. Seeping. Combining with water on a small stove with very little herbal skills.
b. Reducing. Cooking slowly on a small stove with very little herbal skills.
Blessed Nettle Leaf --- Seeping --> Blessed Nettle Tea
Water /
Blessed Nettle Tea --- Reducing --> Jolt Salve
Sugar /
White Oak Sap /
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So you seep the nettle until it becomes tea and then you reduce it to a salve while mixing in the sugar and the white oak sap. Is the nettle specially blessed in a previous step or is it just "blessed nettle" in name?
sounds like a reasonable transformation.
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blessed is part of the name - probably because of its value - but that is an interesting idea
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I don't know which items are already ingame, so i will give a description of the properties.
1. “Simple Salves. A large random set of salves collected from many difference sources.”
2. Burn Salve. Treats skin irritations including rashes, hives and simple burns. Numbs the skin and costs a little stamina each application.
3. lightly poisonous fruit, alcohol, solid vegetable fat
4. poisonous liqour
5. Processes:
a. Pickling. Combining a fluid and a fruit in a jar with very little herbal skill.
b. ???. Combining with fat on a stove with very little harbal skill.
lightly poisonous fruit --- Pickling ---> poisonous liquor
alcohol /
poisonous liquor ---- ??? ----> burn slave
solid vegetable fat /
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* bump *
Just curious, is someone actively working on populating the db for herbalism ? I get the impression that there is some interest in this ... Perhaps people would reach out and help if given the opportunity and perhaps an outline for what sort of concoctions are desired.
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right now no, it's postponed
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This sounds like a really cool idea - just a suggestion, perhaps adding certain herbs to food could add effects? I'm not sure which skill that'd fit into better. I happen to know that trefoil is described as both seasoning in the item description and a potentially harmful illegal substance in a quest.
Perhaps certain herbs on certain foods could boost health or stamina by a small amount for a while, or we could have some bad combinations that give you a message saying "this doesn't taste very good", or even have the ability to poison food (eating it takes health away).
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Most curative plants are also harmful. It's all a question of treatment, dose, etc.
Poisons would surely be a successful aspect of alchemy in the game. ...Although one could simply take a naturally deadly mushroom and use his cooking skills to hide the taste without neutralising the toxin.
What's amusing is that, in PS, the most troublesome part of poison making rarely applies, i.e., finding guinea pigs (and disposing of the bodies). Except for true death poisons, one can be his own tester. ;D