Seems to me that you're suggesting treating bad rp with more mechanics. Just teach them how to rp and there would be no need of this discussion.

No, I'm just pointing out that the current mechanics work against roleplaying. 

Recently one of my toons, just created, arrived in town and was immediately greeted by a helpful citizen, speaking "in character," who addressed him by name.     In order for my toon to remain IC, he had to either "ignore" the fact that a seemingly perfect stranger knew his name, or he had to incorporate this bit of contradiction into some kind of imagined "backstory."

Most people don't know how to roleplay at all.  They fail to understand that their character knows his own world, and his own past, perfectly well, but he doesn't know anything at all about the new person he's just meeting.  But at the same time, the game mechanics are working the opposite, keeping simple "common knowledge" details about the environment, government, etc., "secret," while putting helpful labels on everything that can be interacted with.  So they get confused about what their characters should know and not know.

So, in this thieving situation, suppose you RP with somebody that you're a pickpocket, and you've managed to sneak up and grab a couple of coins from him.  That person might be able to shout "Stop, thief!" but the only thing he's going to know about you IC is that he sees an anonymous stranger running away.  He won't be able to tell your name to anybody.  He won't recognize you on the street the next time you meet.

Now, you tell me how many prospective "victims" your pickpocket is going to find - he could make a better living selling rat hides. 

The mechanics also have us all looking and dressing identical. If you seriously think it would be good and conductive to decent rp to have a huge range of possible actions automatically and permanently disabled for a character whenever he first commits a certain action and gets caught, you quite fankly need your head examined.

If your reply is to me, it's completely non sequitur.  I never suggested anything of the kind.

The issue isn't that they would come back and tell their friends, that's understandable, the issue is when a man they have never met and who is wearing a helm over his face attacks the person, and then somehow their whole guild knows who the person is, where the person was, and shows up before the person even has a chance to leave the scene of the crime or to count his loot from the ill fated traveller

Such is the nature of crime in a land where the inhabitants are "tell-epathic."

Quote from: freeharte on September 02, 2008, 01:21:09 pm

One thing might be worth pointing out.  If you use the Custom way to create a character, a lot of the possible "points" are invested in skills, rather than in basic stats.  The result is that you might get a small head start in skills like mining or smithing, but it's at the expense of stamina.  You'll get a character that won't be able to run far without sitting down to rest.

The Quick way seems to maximize the basic stats, so you get a stronger character, and you can pretty quickly train up the difference in skill levels.

Actually, this is a bug that will be fixed someday.

Aye, but it is the "fact of life" at present.

One thing might be worth pointing out.  If you use the Custom way to create a character, a lot of the possible "points" are invested in skills, rather than in basic stats.  The result is that you might get a small head start in skills like mining or smithing, but it's at the expense of stamina.  You'll get a character that won't be able to run far without sitting down to rest.

The Quick way seems to maximize the basic stats, so you get a stronger character, and you can pretty quickly train up the difference in skill levels.

The current skills though not implented must only be availiable to a thief. No other class should be able to do the following skills.

Class? 

Steal once, and you're a thief.  Do it all the time, and you're a career criminal.

When did classes get introduced?

He could just put up a temporary server, while the real one is down...

I suspect that anyone with less than a dedicated webserver with static IP need not apply. 

I'm betting the devs are as annoyed and frustrated as everybody else.   

They do a good job.  This is not their fault.