It just needs to be more fun to level up really. Then no one would mind how long it took.

As it stands people grind away looking forward to better days when they are maxed.

This point has already been raised with respects to cooking.

The barrier here is reluctance to involve player skill as that's what tends to make things fun. The only other way around it is offering 'team work points' making using all skills in a team like manner more profitable in terms of pp. Community is the only thing that makes MMORPGs fun. The mechanics are usually awful compared to all other games purely because of the restriction in skill required.

Maybe we should look at our past?

There was a point where athieism was unthought of. Everyone had to be religeous or was condemed a witch. Albeit it has already been established that this was a different atheism to the PS brand. However, the parrallels still run the same.

You can enforce what characters KNOW through settings but trying to enforce what the BELIEVE is completely irrational. The characters ingame are still people and what it is to be a person is to think outside the box.

Now obviously a character BELIEVING in, and talking about vampires is daft because they dont KNOW anything about them, or bats for that matter. But for them to come up with some concept of a consumer / klyros hybrid that goes round sucking life matter from people... would that be so daft for them to believe? Or at least come up with the imaginary concept of. Along the same lines just because everyone has worshiped the gods for a long time would it be so unreasonable that some spritely young thing would think 'Hey, maybe we DON'T have to worship them?'

An athiest character's beliefs cant be snatched from them through any settings. But the way the world reacts to them can. Prehaps have them treated as they were when our world was more like planeshift, have them burnt on the stake.

And prehaps getting out the death realm wont be easy for them. But in there they can find someone, who knows some, whos brothers best friend knows a way for atheists cheat Dakkru... We've already established she isn't perfect.

Mental stamina is when the character thinks they can go on no more. An increased Will will give them the mental strength they need to continue up to the point of physical collapse. Any training of the mind in fact will allow them more control over their urges.

Still not an official response but hey. If it makes sense it makes sense.

Everyone could be given a single opportunity to steal. If they are caught, whoever they are stealing from can decide the consequences:

• Let them get away with a warning
• Have them punished
• Have them 'branded' a thief. That character can then never steal again... the rp reason can be whatever

Choosing your victim well then becomes imperative.

Upon their first successful theft their character asks them self is this something they want to do as a career. If they reply yes your scheme then applies.

The game crashes after the load bar that loads the world when you join with a character gets to the end. I have sent the diagnostic file off but its stopping me get ingame which is annoying. The case is the same with 4 different characters so i don't think it's area related.

Windows xp media ed. service pack 2
Radeon x600 (up to date drivers)
Pentium D CPU 3.00 ghz
1gb of RAM

Game is up to date.

I've tried disabling the sound... Didn't help. Just thought I 'd mention that as it was something people used to be told to do.

I was in ToY at one point and can tell you what the problem is straight out. You want only good RPers, and you are semi secret. This means activity within the guild is so low it makes it a bit pointless to be part of it as the point of the guild is having a group of like minded characters to work with. The Outlaws work alot better as they have a lot broader appeal to all different RP styles (some of which you probably don't consider RP at all).

I have an idea though. Make a good guild. I was thinking of joining PlaneShift again and would attempt to set up a guild for you that is bent on 'irradicate the thieves'. The thieves in a final attempt to stop this would rob the guild for all its worth, as that's what they are good at. Some of theses thefts would work and some wouldn't. The guild would lead by example by letting the thieves win now and again and both guilds would grow a healthy RP partnership.

Thats my idea tad grand I know but I like to think big.

Elvi - Leads the guild that made my first ever character what he was.

Drah - The level headed one that kept my faith in the games community at times when I doubted.

Izzabella - Loved her style.

Daehaz - Nice baddie RP that worked well.

Nurahk - Damn nice, intelligent guy.

Lolitra - All though not an amazing amount of time was spent with her, the RPs with her helped build my character.

Noriin, Velh - I found interesting when I dipped back in to planeshift for a month or so.

My first character is on someones list! I'm remembered.  warm fuzzies. Yes I missed people but the truth is I don't care about any of you enough to sit here until I remember  .