PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Komie on August 25, 2004, 05:56:47 am
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I was reading about why Psybur got banned from the game, b/c he was modding and stuff and it made crystals spawn in places that wern\'t reachable by normal players. So I started thinking, how were they able to edit the game like that? Would anyone be able to edit the game to how ever they want? I dont really understand the whole concept of open coding or whatever they call it lol. But like, lets say if someone was to make a model of a monster, and put it in their game, would they like, instantly upload it to the server and then it would be in all of our games?...that sorta thing? or what?
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Basically he found a way to login as anybody which means he could access things he should not have been able to access. Most modding is the friendly kind like doing different types of window skins or adding new buttons and such.
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so correct me if i\'m wrong..just trying to get my facts straight..he was like..able to log in as a mod or something and edit the actual game?
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As far as I understand, he could log in as Devs, and other, if any, characters that could place spawns at any given time. He could also log in on your account or mine, if I understood it all correctly...
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That is correct, he could log in as anybody, including admin accounts. That\'s where new crystal spawn points and the NPC called \"Exdee\" came from. This ability was blatantly taken advantage of and not reported. It has practically ruined crystal hunting for everyone who plays, as most crystals now spawn in these \"cheater\'s\" locations, where nobody else can reach them.
Psybur used to be a good guy... but when you step that line, you\'re no longer tolerated.
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So he was logged on as Vengeance a week or two ago when he placed the crystal spawns? I remember that after I saw Vengeance logged on, all the new crystal spawns appeared. And also Pogo told me that \'he was crawling around\' the hidden dimension in the temple, where there are now something like 15 spawns.
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Hmm I heard there were much more than 15, anyways. If Psybur found a way into Venge\'s account wo says he won\'t just find a way back into his own. Or maybe he will be out for revenge.
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No one garuantees this game to be un-hackable, but you can be sure that once someone has broken the rules and been caught, then it\'s likely that they will be watched (of course, it\'s possible to get around such measures).
Still, as suspicious activity is noticed, the holes will be patched.
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Ok so then for anyone to be able to add stuff to the game, they have to be logged on under an admistrator or something. They can\'t just like, upload something to their game and then they upload it to the server. Good..lol...speaking of which, it brings me another question, lets say the administrators (or Development Team, whichever you want to call them) decide to add some new stuff. When I log on, will it instantly download it? Or will there be like a patch on the website that I have to manually download for it to work? or what? thanks again!
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Originally posted by Komie
When I log on, will it instantly download it? Or will there be like a patch on the website that I have to manually download for it to work? or what? thanks again!
Almost, when the client connects it sends along it\'s version number. The server can tell if the client needs to be updated and will let you know. From there you run a seperate \'updater\' application that will download any updated files. We want to keep this as a seperate since adding it directly to the main game introduces several other problems.
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Originally posted by Mogura It has practically ruined crystal hunting for everyone who plays, as most crystals now spawn in these \"cheater\'s\" locations, where nobody else can reach them.
Psybur used to be a good guy... but when you step that line, you\'re no longer tolerated.
I haven\'t logged in MB for a while, so I never knew what happened. But is the crystal hunt permamently screwed up? I mean, couldn\'t someone undo what he did?
And I never expected a guy like Psybur to do something like this...It blows my mind how people who like the game would want to ruin it for everyone...
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Its a shame he did that. Just curouse but what powers do the devs have I have just heard they can change the location of crystals but can they do other things (EG stop anyone from logging into the server)
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Well, technically the devs can do anything they want :)
If they have a means of identifying a cheater, they can prevent connections, delete their accounts, or whatever.
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From there you run a seperate \'updater\' application that will download any updated files. We want to keep this as a seperate since adding it directly to the main game introduces several other problems.
I take it that this \"updater\" is the Updater that is found in the program listings with Planeshift? And thats a very good idea, keeping it seperate and stuff.
I haven\'t logged in MB for a while, so I never knew what happened. But is the crystal hunt permamently screwed up? I mean, couldn\'t someone undo what he did?
Well, I\'ve been playing it recently and I can defiently see a decrese in the number of crystals that I find through out the world. But it dosn\'t make sense how they wouldn\'t be able to delete the spawn points. I mean they were able to add them...so what the fizzle? lol
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I thought P.S. had an anti cheat program, was it implimented in MB or is it coming with future releases?
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The Paladin anti-cheat program was developed post-MB, and it was never implemented. Besides, the MB server has almost no confirmation on anything, so it\'s not very difficult to make it do as you want, if you just figure out how.
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Originally posted by Gronomist
The Paladin anti-cheat program was developed post-MB, and it was never implemented. Besides, the MB server has almost no confirmation on anything, so it\'s not very difficult to make it do as you want, if you just figure out how.
Note that CB will contain Paladin-Jr which is a smaller version of the future Paladin built into the server. So CB *will* have some cheat detection!
Greetings,
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Does this mean crystal hunting is gone till cb is released?
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OK I\'ve been thinking about this and Ive been wondering Lets say somone makes a mod to make a \"crystal radar\" on the top right of their screen. How would the admins be able to find out if the person was using it?
PS The radar is an example, as many of you know Im far too stupid to know how to Mod/hack so please dont say im a \"hacker\" or anything :P
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In MB we wouldn\'t.
In CB it only sends you the objects near you so you can\'t tell where the other objects are.
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This kind of thing can only be expected and will probally become alot worse when the release is put out and the population rises. No matter what systems of defense you put up or ammount of GMs put on watch, there will always be people getting by messing around the system..just have to keep up :)
As for the guy who recently got banned for doing it good riddence! If you get banned in game do you get banned from the forums?
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Yes, at least, I remember Venge saying something to that effect.
The spawn locations have now been fixed. Talad himself had to take time out from his busy schedule to clean up after the children.
Personally, I\'d rather the devs be occupied with developing the game, but maybe that\'s just me...?
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Uh the spawn points didn\'t seem very fixed to me, I just left the game. While CB faster would be nice, those who do not have many crystals (such as myself) would like to accumulate more before CB is released, as it gives us something to do.
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Or you could... y\'know, roleplay or something ;P If you want something to do before CB, find something outside of the current release. I\'d hate for the devs to take time off to fix something that is ultimately going to be eliminated anyway. Play another game (Rubies of Eventide, RYL, etc.), or do something away from the computer...
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You interpreted what I said as that I spend all my time on here, wanting crystals and never do anything else or roleplay...
That\'s a rather unfair assumption and not what I said at all. For your information I do roleplay, and I am hardly ever playing games on here, as my life is too busy with study and other committments.
If you were the only person on a server, and wanted to play would you prefer to roleplay by yourself, or hunt for crystals? You are somewhat biased in that you probably have thousands, whereas many people don\'t even have 500 rubies...
You shouldn\'t make assumptions about people in future, it prevents you looking foolish.
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>>>You shouldn\'t make assumptions about people in future, it prevents you looking foolish.<<<
>>>You are somewhat biased in that you probably have thousands, whereas many people don\'t even have 500 rubies...<<<
Hmmm... ;) I give all my crystals away. I\'ve been holding nearly daily mug hunts about a week ago, but I have stopped logging in because of 1) a few problems in life, and 2) a later fixation on another beta game, until CB arrives.
>>>You interpreted what I said as that I spend all my time on here, wanting crystals and never do anything else or roleplay... <<<
I highly doubt that. I don\'t see how my \"Or you could... y\'know, roleplay\" suggests that you haven\'t even explored the idea. I merely meant that if there are no crystals for you to collect, turn to something else. That\'s all.
>>>If you were the only person on a server, and wanted to play would you prefer to roleplay by yourself, or hunt for crystals?<<<
I\'d leave and go do something else, since you asked.