PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Zeraph on August 26, 2004, 04:48:39 pm
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http://www.planeshift.it/main_01.html :D
I wonder what it all looks like... :)
* Can\'t wait to see a bunch of bodies of newbs who have touched a body in the dr lol *
That?s how you can get to the dr @ will, just touch someone who is already there....
When I checked the news site I was thinking CB is here,
But well I guess @ least some news is better then no news... :]
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Our vision of DR is a lot wider than this. DR will become a world by itself, where evil NPC have their home and where evil aligned players can decide to live. In the future DR will give many opportunities for quests, guilds and exploration.
COOL!
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crap i was really hoping to be a lemur :(, now i don\'t know what im going to be...
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Farewell for now, female Dermorian *sniff* :(
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What are you guys talking about? Did some more news come out that was not able to load up on my comp?
Sorry for the noobness but im realy confused about this one...
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NEWS
2004.08.25
Holidays have been quite good for devs, relaxing and fun, needed to restart working on PS with even greater will. On the other hand it caused a slowdown in our operations during last month. Most evident bugs were removed, but some are still there and we are working on it.
The player models we wanted to have in CB are finally ready, this is the \"final\" list of the models that will be present in the first CB release, more will come later: ylian male, dermorian male, stonebreaker male, stonebreaker female, kran, ynnwn male, ynnwn female, enkidukai male, enkidukai female.
In CB we will have a first implementation of the Death Realm (DR). When a character dies, his body lays on the ground, lifeless. No one can touch the body since it\'s surrounded by a magic death aura. Touching that aura can be fatal to anyone. The spirit separates from the body and asks to the gods to be resurrected. The Death God, being evil and greedy, asks a magical item to bring him back to the world of the living. If he refuses or has nothing to give, he is thrown to the Death Realm. In the realm of death everything is dim and shadow and the spirits of the dead cannot die again, they may be knocked out but never die no matter how badly they are wounded. Here he must find an exit from DR to come back to life.
In first CB release the request from the gods will not be present, so players will be directly thrown in DR. The DR world available in CB is quite small and will be expanded later.
Our vision of DR is a lot wider than this. DR will become a world by itself, where evil NPC have their home and where evil aligned players can decide to live. In the future DR will give many opportunities for quests, guilds and exploration.
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Try to refresh the page...
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Bleh, no diaboli.. Guess I\'ll have to make do with one of the other races for now then.. bah...
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what? has cb been released??? horray I\'ve been waeting and haveing to play with my little brover on spoonscape!!!!!! yay!!!!!! if cb is out no mone!!!!! hahhahahahahha!!!!
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this news is better then no news. Also good to hear that it took so long because they wernt doing anything. Not that it is really going to take for ever :P
I think the DEVs need some time off too, rest and quiet. Good of you guys to take that. And now...gogo WORK ;)
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either they\'re about to go gold on cb, or they\'re tossing us a tidbit to satisfy us for a bit more. as the date slowly creeps forward.
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No Lemur, argh. I sure hope that they manage to implement something where, when a new race comes out, you can transfer your char to it, rather than having to start from nil all over again. If they do, then all I have to do is figure out how to RP a transformation from Enki to Lemur....
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seems like the devs hates magic stuff... theres no good magic users and the only decent magic user is the enki...
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if you use the descriptions on the main page as background, Ylians would be better at magic than enki\'s..
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I don\'t think I will be able to keep myself from touching someones dead body. It\'s just too interesting to miss! :]
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how much longer until CB though? I\'m getting really sad from going on the news page, seeing something new, think it\'s CB, then read it and get a big let down when I find out it\'s not :(... please don\'t make us do that again... :(
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I\'m impressed with myself...
I\'d been reading... came online... Planeshift site, thinking to myself (please be news, please be news, something, anything...) and lo and behold, NEWS! wheee. Perhaps I should do that with CB, or maybe I\'ll save myself the disappointment...
Kada, that was my first thought too, no more female Dermorian... Oh well, I don\'t use Adeli anymore, and Tyralus is going to be a Menki... Way I see it... practise enough, anyone is good at magic?
Thanks for the news, hope you enjoyed your holidays, you earned them.
I like your DR vision Zeraph, ahaha
Seytra: That\'s really creepy... really, really creepy...
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Just added a screenshot. Seems that coollist is down, so there will be no mail with the news till it\'s back up.
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*Phinehas drools over the picture.*
Actually, to be completely honest, I was more taken with fantasizing about the posibilities of the meanings of the tabs at the top of the screen than I was with the actual screenshot.
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Yeah screeny is pretty cool. Much as I expected for the races. I wonder if we\'ll be able to change race and keep our gained stats, but have the new base ones etc. when new models come out...
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hmmm i do believe that those buttons on top will be so that you can easily open and close boxes such as text, your inventory etc etc. and to be noted if the DR is that dark and if one gets a glare on there screen you could end up running around in circles. other then that good job dev team for putting up news. ( yes i said news and not game cause putting up the news was more astanishing then anything else). :D
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wasn\'t those buttons there in that movie too?
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Thanks for the news!
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ehm yes I like the buttons so I never minimize them (I made them so ofcourse I wanna show them :P )
now I know that the UV on the thing is sloppy, don\'t worry thought, I have already fixed that.
The screenshot is taken from when me and blueCommand was running around playing there :]
it only shows a small piece of the DR, it\'s just to give a hint of how it looks so you don\'t fantisize your own vision of it or sumthin
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8o None of the good races.
Looks nice.
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Not to ask any stupid questions, but I had to ask.
Does this mean cb will be out soon :)
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Better if you don\'t ask, but \"soon\" has been the release date for a while now :) (i.e. no one knows for sure how long it will take to polish up and finish debugging, but things are being \"finalized\")
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Well, allright. o by the way, i bet the dr well be really cool... instead of people just jumping off the highest tower for a little addrealin, bah them addrealin junkies :P
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Originally posted by Aware
Well, allright. o by the way, i bet the dr well be really cool... instead of people just jumping off the highest tower for a little addrealin, bah them addrealin junkies :P
Well, in PS, you can have both kicks! You can jump off the highest tower (or maybe even off the end of some tunnel deep in the rock so you\'ll leave the stalactite with destination \"cavern floor\" :) ), and right afterwards, you\'ll enter the DR, so the fun is doubled! I suspect there will be only few ppl. left in the WOTL if the DR is too much fun, though! :D
Plenty of corpses to touch... ;)
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;)
Edit: Didn\'t mean to do that, pushed wrong botton and that is considered spam anywho... i doubt dr will be fun but inless there is dead boddies to poke :)
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Originally posted by Niber
The screenshot is taken from when me and blueCommand was running around playing there :]
Sounds like fun to me! :D
Originally posted by Aware
i doubt dr will be fun but inless there is dead boddies to poke :)
Dead bodies will be in the WOTL. :D
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So, with this uber-cool death realm, do you think we will have a problem with piles and piles of dead people, never ressurected because they want to stay in the death realm?
No female Dermorians? I think that has to be a typo, why would they model it and everything for MB, and then not include it in CB? Seems like a waste to me...
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Originally posted by Icefalcon
So, with this uber-cool death realm, do you think we will have a problem with piles and piles of dead people, never ressurected because they want to stay in the death realm?
Maybe we could have a special cavern where ppl. can go to die as they please. Or create said tunnel so that there will be no body-pollution in Hydlaa (but it\'s a long way home in case of a resurrection). :)
Originally posted by Icefalcon
No female Dermorians? I think that has to be a typo, why would they model it and everything for MB, and then not include it in CB? Seems like a waste to me...
Because they changed the model file format so that they aren\'t compatible and cannot be converted but have to be re-created from scratch.
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yes, but did you loose the actual models of the Chars, like if they used 3DsMax, couldn\'t they just load the models makes bones & animation & export to Cal3D instead of .spr? I am sure you can convert the raw models to a program you can export cal3d... they must have gotten rid of the model? or lost it... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by jorrit
Also note that all models have been redone for the next CB release since we are now using cal3d for animation and this requires a totally different way to model the animations.
Greetings,
Quote taken from on this thread:
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=9762&boardid=23&sid=aede95ef3ac9bb9a7bfdecf6494eeb46
There we have it from one of the devs themselves. :)
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Well that doesn\'t make any sense...
Why would you want to have to totally model a Char over just to make it look different? You can still \"Cannibalize\" as I call it the model & such as taking the legs/arms & building another torso that looks totally different, also you would probably use the old torso anyway, just add/subtract some poly or whatever if you want, if they need to make the cloths different, take the cloths off & patch the model up & re-texture it... maybe they just didn\'t get around to doing this, but why re-model the entire thing from scratch is a complete mystery to me...
All that extra work? ?(
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Aye good to hear things are going still ^^ The days grow closer!
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Originally posted by jorrit
model the animations.
:] oh, I think that means re-do \"animations\" only... not the model itself.... I would understand remaking the animations but the models...
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They had to be completely modeled from scratch because the MB ones were done in Maya and cal3d requires 3ds max.
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I think it\'s more like going from animated GIFs to skeleton-based models. They\'re totally different and thus conversion would be way harder than redoing from scratch.
Edit: Venge beat me to it by some seconds. :)
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Oh really? There aren\'t any good Maya --> 3DsMax plugs? that sucks... :rolleyes:
* Does to see if he can find any.... *
You could have always exported to a format that Maya can export to & 3dSMax can import to...
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It\'s Maya->Cal3D tools that you\'d be looking for, as that\'s the format of the skeletal animations that CS uses.
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I know, but they wanted to do it in max, so they would have to export to max or somthing then re-do the animation then export to Cal3D...
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Whatever the reason, I trust the model experts that they didn\'t put unnecessary effort into it. I suspect they have thought about it carefully before making the decision.
Probably there were other factors as well that made a redo a better option but anyway I think they wouldn\'t have done so if it was a waste of time.
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I think it would be cool for people to just leave their corpses in the plaza if they want to see the death realm. Think about it, a newb downloads the game. Reads the readme, loads, updates, creates a character.
Finally, the load into the game to see.....
A town ravaged by plague where few survive, and those that have are.... mentally challenged (npc\'s) :))
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damn, I was hoping the deathrealm would look alot more tainted or that it would be darker atleast
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Hmm so it will be either lose a magical item or visit the DR. I wonder...Can you still keep your stuff when you go to the DR?
Another thing that would be cool is being able to \"raid\" the treasure of the Death God :D
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The magic death aura will not be present in CB, but will be in future versions, FYI.
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What happens if you die in the death relm ??? Do you come back to life or do you die die ( go to the dead death relm ) ?
And what about the bodies ? if i mass kill a bunch of people at the entrances of the town have i effectively \"laid seige\" on the town ?
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Originally posted by snow_RAveN
What happens if you die in the death relm ??? Do you come back to life or do you die die ( go to the dead death relm ) ?
In the realm of death everything is dim and shadow and the spirits of the dead cannot die again, they may be knocked out but never die no matter how badly they are wounded.
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The death auro is the thing that keep everyone from taking your stuff right. But as icebr4ker sais it will not be there yet, so does that mean you can steel everything from all bodys? Or will you still go to the DR?
I also trust the DEVs not to do more work on the models then necessary.
Hahaha, a magical item against a stip in the DR, Ill go for the DR the first time I guess, just to check it out, but when I get useless magical items, hehe, lets say. Im going the faster way.
-Q
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Well even if the death aura is there i will find a stick to seperate bodies from treasure ;)
The screeny looks really nice ... though i have also been more interessted in the buttons than the environment :D
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Another thing that would be cool is being able to \"raid\" the treasure of the Death God :D
that would be like an epic quest. one of those every few rl years. it would be talked about for while and fade away. rising to the status of myth and legend. the characters involved would become insanely famous, but basically thought of as semi-fictional.
and then one day somebody will discover a passage in a book, or some artifact that shows that the legend is true.
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I am a little scared by this death aura. Not that I do not think protecting bodies from being looted is a bad idea, but mihgt that not be a little dangerous if somebody dies in group combat, and then in the heat of the melee, someone else stumbles into the corpse?
Or is touching meant in the way that you \"press the use button\" on the corpse? Just having to have a poly-collision with the body sounds bad, while \"using it\" and being punished or something sounds cool to me.
Apart from that: nice! Thanks for the update!
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whoa i just thought of something ....
Think: cults killing thier own members and sending them to the DR ... evil ...
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Every screenshot the devs give is like a little christmas, or st. patricks day for me....Then again, so is every new line of text in the cvs...what a dork :P
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That screenie is taken a while back and the lightning have (what I\'ve been told) been improved greatly
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In group combat, surely there will be a possibility of reviving fallen freinds and allies. Also What stops someone creating a lot of alts and killing tham all to form a blockage across the exit from Hydlaa
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4 people per account and the pure cpu needed to do that is...crazy
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oh, god, that\'d be hilarious :D (you can\'t leave, nah nah nah nah nah nah!! lol
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-=sighs=- The devs have completely left out the best PS race...the Nolthrir. Saving the best for last I suppose.
Well at least we get one of the elven races.
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Originally posted by Murais
oh, god, that\'d be hilarious :D (you can\'t leave, nah nah nah nah nah nah!! lol
Well, you could leave by using the flying creatures (pterosaurs). You could, of course, slay so many ppl. that the piles of the bodies completely seal the entrance ways (they\'re tunnels). For that, however, you\'d not need the death aura at all (OK, it would prevent the bodies from being carried away, but it would also prevent you from piling them up).
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what about body desposal npc\'s & clean up team...
like just for the cities, they doen\'t want allot of bodies around town so they will transport them to a place were they can wake up or somthing.... 8)
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How Cool! The DR idea is really unique and will really change the game.
Damn I wanted to be a Nolthrir :(
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I suppose things can only progress from when cb is released. There\'s lots of stuff I don\'t like from what I\'ve played, but things can only get better. I think it\'s better in some way that there\'s lots of stuff that people really want, which isn\'t done yet, as it keeps people interested in the development of the game, and we can get spammed with \"when\'s the next update out!!\" questions :D
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Wasn\'t the DR also in that Hercules game? The one for play station...I liked that game ^^
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great news, if as mentiond in th post they are sorting bugs it cant be that long.... right?
anyway i was sligtly disapointed to hear that you cant touch dead bodies, it mean grave robbing very hard if you die when you touch the corpse... and makes me wonder what the point to pvp would be in future releases
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Originally posted by Magerranger
makes me wonder what the point to pvp would be in future releases
Wars. Good X Evil, GuildWars, Land wars, etc...
Or just to settle your diferences =P
*slaps someone with a glove*
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I suppose if theres no benefit to you in pvp atleast you can be happy in the knowlage that youve sent your opponent into the anoying DR where he must search for a way out befor returning to his body.
Only to wake up where he died where your still standing to once again send him back. although this could get saverily annoying for the die\'er it would be so much fun for the killer after all the prefight flaming he recived about how hes a n00b and will get pwnz0rd.
yea... it will still be worth while
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i just realised.. what if a n00b goes and attackes the strongest thing he can find... it slaughters him and he comes back to life only to be slaughterd again and again and again and... you get the idea
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i just realised.. what if a n00b goes and attackes the strongest thing he can find... it slaughters him and he comes back to life only to be slaughterd again and again and again and... you get the idea
Well, the cool thing about PvP is that it\'s regulated in such a way that you have to accept the fight, unless you volountarily go into the arena. But then your corpse will get moved out of the way once you die anyway, so that wont be a problem at all.
I am a little scared by this death aura. Not that I do not think protecting bodies from being looted is a bad idea, but mihgt that not be a little dangerous if somebody dies in group combat, and then in the heat of the melee, someone else stumbles into the corpse?
Or is touching meant in the way that you \"press the use button\" on the corpse?
That would be door number 2. :)
.... *Slaps ForteX back*
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I am a little scared by this death aura. Not that I do not think protecting bodies from being looted is a bad idea, but mihgt that not be a little dangerous if somebody dies in group combat, and then in the heat of the melee, someone else stumbles into the corpse?
Or is touching meant in the way that you \"press the use button\" on the corpse?
That would be door number 2. :)
What? ?(
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Oh come on, use a little creative thinking and you might figure out what I meant.
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For those who can\'t dechiper grono\'s [sarcasm] extremely difficult [/sarcasm] sentence, she means that Option 2, ie. \"you have to press \'use\' on the corpse\"
is the correct option.
I thought it was logical?
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Magerranger, that scares me. The point of PvP is to settle IC differences, not to annoy another player...
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Originally posted by Magerranger
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i just realised.. what if a n00b goes and attackes the strongest thing he can find... it slaughters him and he comes back to life only to be slaughterd again and again and again and... you get the idea
Why not have the death aura fallow you a little from when you wake up from the DR, in the way that animals & things will not attack you long enough for you to get away, but nothing will die from touching you after you return (you have to be in the death realm for that) but things can sense that you were in the DR & stay clear for a while because of that, maybe you loose a little trust from animals you are training unless they know you well...
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hee hee....
speeding bullet of death, that\'d be funnier, but if the aura stayed on you for a little while after death, that\'d be cheap, but it\'d make PKing funny :D, some guy kills another player, and then the player comes back from the DR, running into him, automatically killing him :D, yes I am sick :P. Some funny prospects coming out of this aura though :D
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Another news post has been made, in case some of you didn\'t see it.
2004.08.29
As many active players know, in the last weeks we had a major hacking into the game. This hack let people take over others account or gain some administrative rights, like adding new spawning locations for crystals or adding new NPCs. We fixed the bug and we identified all players that used the hack.
We are also alware of a number of other small hacks some players use to gain crystals faster. Luckily the number of honest players really overcomes the one of hackers, so we got a number of reports on cheating activities. To clarify better our position on cheating and hacking we added a new section in the Player Guide. Please read it here (http://www.planeshift.it/player_cheating.html).
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Modifications to the client (aka mods) are not allowed by PS License. In particular we will not tolerate players using mods to connect to an official server if those allow cheating, or modify the visual aspects of the game or its design. If you want to add levels or graphics to PlaneShift you are more then welcome to partecipare in our development.
So mods like Ciry\'s are forbidden?
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> So mods like Ciry\'s are forbidden?
The text has been updated, read it again :) It was wrongly phrased, nobody wants to ban such mods.
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Cheating is for losers that can\'t win normaly
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(earlier today I said:)
Modding most certainly is not blocked by the Planeshift license. Moddifying art files is, but you can overwrite them with new ones. Planeshift\'s code is under the GPL, and the artwork may only be used with the official server, so any modding that doesn\'t change an existing art file is legal as long as it is still Planeshift. If I were to make my own servers that were not on the official list and make a client that can only connect to those servers it would be illegal, but as long as it is only connecting to Planeshift servers you can still use the real Planeshift artwork.
Cheating should not be allowed, but what is the point of a free, open-source MMORPG if you can\'t modify anything?
I am also not welcome to participate in development(or any good at art or level design).
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Can\'t wait til CB is here I\'ll cry to see it come any day now but not likely :( but yeah its coo I want it to come NOW! lol have a nice day guys
xNATEx
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Cheating should not be allowed, but what is the point of a free, open-source MMORPG if you can\'t modify anything?
The main reason would be easier user->developer communication when bugs are found, and it allows people to help create things for the game and then submitting them to the game through the dev team.
It does allow people to modify the source to cheat, yes, but it doesn\'t encourage that. There\'s a big diffrence between what you can do and what you should do.
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So if a mod did not aid gameplay in any way, but merely changed the look of something... eg. turned the statue in the plaza into a Banana.... would it be forbidden? or is it allowed? If the art files were not edited, but replaced is it okay?
Not enhanced lighting or anything, just changing static objects... or skins on chars... not crystals, as that would make them easier to find...
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turned the statue in the plaza into a Banana
I should figure out how to do that.
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its quite possible, just make a render in blender or 3dmax, export to cs, blah blah blah
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So if a mod did not aid gameplay in any way, but merely changed the look of something... eg. turned the statue in the plaza into a Banana.... would it be forbidden? or is it allowed? If the art files were not edited, but replaced is it okay?
If you connect to the official server using modified textures or models, or anything that gives you access to stuff you should not have access to, it can and most likely will be considered cheating to some extent or another, depending on how bad it is. However, my advice is if you want to mod things for fun and make a Lego-world or whatever you wish, do it on a local server so you don\'t get in trouble with the PS team or any of the players.
As for skin-mods such as Ciry\'s, they aren\'t disallowed as it simply is a GUI refreshing. You should however be careful when you release mods that change the psclient or any of the dlls that it uses, and you should definitely be careful when downloading such mods as they can just as easily be programs meant to steal your password, as they can be harmless skin mods.
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what is the point of a free, open-source MMORPG if you can\'t modify anything?
You are free to modify and use the PS client and server sourcecode, but you would have to make your own \"world\" for a game to take place in. To the best of my knowledge, anyone is welcome to submit patches so I don\'t see how someone can be \"not welcome to participate in development\"
Other points of a Free engine and a free game:
1.) The game is free. You don\'t have to pay for it. <-- pretty big point, IMO
2.) To a greater extent than a completely closed game, the community can participate in the development. This doesn\'t mean that everyone actually has something to contribute, but good ideas that mesh well with the existing system are usually welcome.
3.) I don\'t think it\'s ever been done before on this scale, to me that\'s a whole point in itself. We currently have support for Windows, Linux and MacOS X all in one codebase, just by smart choice of platform (CrystalSpace) and a well-written networking layer.
4.) Anyone who does have C++ skills can look at the code, and discover vulnerabilities (for good or evil) This is a bit of a double-edged sword, but as it is, vulnerabilities will be found anyways so I think open inspection is good.
I\'m sure there are more reasons, but I don\'t see how PS\'s protection of their art assets and desire to reduce cheating strips away the benefits of a free game and a Free engine.