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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: XpYtZ on September 18, 2004, 02:47:21 am
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The title pretty much says it all.
I\'m tired as hell of dealing with the constant problems and the like and I don\'t have the cash to move to a MAC.
That said, it should be obvious that I am biased and anybody that wants to blab about how much they love Windows or how crappy anything is (or is not) should not post in this thread.
If on the other hand you have some suggestions for me while I make the switch (IE Like how to learn this new OS or what programs are just \'have to have\') than by all means, please help me.
My Windows system ain\'t going for a swim or anything, I just want something stable to run my MUD clients and other OpenSource stuff on. Ever since the Service Pack 2 thing was loaded I haven\'t been able to do anything of real importance on this peice.
So, yep. I don\'t know up from down in Linux and any tutorials, GUI suggestions, Compilers, etc. etc. etc...
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Well why dont you put windows on one hd and linux on the other?
It will automaticly ask which you wanna run on start up.
Im not sure if you can do this with one hd and if you could I wouldnt reccomend it.
Proud windows user here ---> me :D
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Not a suggestion or anything, but something encouraging (if they truly make it work as they claim):
A Silicon Valley startup claims to have cracked one of most elusive goals of the software industry: a near-universal emulator that allows software developed for one platform to run on any other, with almost no performance hit.
Transitive Corp. of Los Gatos, California, claims its QuickTransit software allows applications to run \"transparently\" on multiple hardware platforms, including Macs, PCs, and numerous servers and mainframes.
The company claimed QuickTransit eliminates the need to port software from one platform to another. Software applications written for one platform will run on almost any other, without any modifications to the underlying program.
In demonstrations to press and analysts, the company has shown a graphically demanding game -- a Linux version of Quake III -- running on an Apple PowerBook.
http://wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,64914,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2 (http://wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,64914,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2)
Something to look forward to if you like a stable platform but don\'t want to use Windows to run a favorite incompatible program. Also no need to use multiple HDs or partitions hopefully.
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Well congratz for making the better choice. Its too bad Im stuck with Microsnot for... well, for a while.
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I was setting up Debian Stable, then Windows decided to have a fit and I had to reinstall it (It\'s on its own partition so it doesn\'t eat everything else) And I haven\'t reinstalled LILO yet... so I have a halfway functional Debian Stable sitting on a 10GB partition :P
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There are a few ways to do this but here we go.....
Ok first you need to decide if your going to use two harddrives or one partitioned harddrive (or if your going to use a completely different computer altogether). There arn\'t many advantages in doing this one way over or another its pure economics and personal preference.
N.B. DO NOT I repeat DO NOT partition your harddrive under Windows.
Now your going to need a distro, here are a few examples:
Mandrake
Red Hat/Fedora
Gentoo
Yoper
Debian
Of course you could use BSD but thats a different matter all together.
I personally recomend Madrake because its easy to setup and manage , though any are better than Windows :D
Once you get your distro you\'ll want to install it (of course). The installers are quiet different so I wont go into detail on this. A quick note, if you have two harddrives the first harddrive is hda the second hdb and so on.
Packages: How many and what packages you install really depend on how much harddrive space you have though I\'ll make a couple of recomendations.
If you have a lot of harddrive space (120 gig plus) install as many libraries as are available because this will save time and hassle later on.
Install several enviroments for now so you can choose which one you prefer.
In general make sure you have all the default packages as well.
Now with any luck linux should be running pefectly!
You should probably explore the linux enviroment and try to learn things by yourself having said this a good resource for linux knowledge is the linux cookbook.
Need to know anything else?
-Zorium
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While I am glad that you took the time to write it and am sure that someone will get some good information out of it. I am not really quite that lost on creating a partition or the like. I have like five computers so I am just switching one to Linux for the things I want to run on it -which is everything for now. :D
I just wondered about the best things to load on it. I don\'t know if any of the various distributions have drivers, or if I need to find them and I don\'t know about programs (like a Webb browser, how much stuff I have to \'build (whatever that is) and the like.)
I assume that it is not like Windows or Mac OS which comes with a GUI (I\'m just guessing from what a friends server cluster looks like.) and some nifty softare to make it all work. Seems to me (again from the friends cluster) that it works a lot like DOS with commands and the like.
I should really look all this up.
I am just looking for program suggestions and rescources. Like \"Oh, go to www.blablahere.com/ and download this great program.\" Or \"This is better than that for it.\" Or \"Hey be sure to go here and learn about doing this.\" You know, techy suggestions about stuff. I know that in the Windows world, that happens very little (or it does in my experience) but every Mac guy I know shares everything he can get his hands on with fellow users. I just assumed that the UNIX/Linux folks did the same.
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Searching theweb for software si obsolete! :D
Get mandrake, a great distro for starting(and a really easy setup), with many users, much support and i bet the rpm package system would make you jump from joy if you started with something source based. ;)
If you have the space, most things you need will get installed in the setup procedure.
But, I recommend you wait a bit - 10.1 community was released - you wait for the official one, which will fix any serious malfunctions, soon.
And no, it\'s a command prompt thing as much as you want it to be. When you try it, you will see how the feel is similar to the one of windows. You have nothing to be afraid of. :)
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If you want something userfriendly and solid I recommend Suse 9.1 (/me wonders why anyone have not mentioned this before ?()... In my oppinion it\'s the best distro out now (I\'m no linux shark so distro\'s like Debian and Slackware does not really appeal to me)
Other than that Linuxquestions.org (http://www.linuxquestions.org/) is a good place to take a look
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i have windows on my big HDD
and linux on my iddiebiddieeeeeeee HDD... im moving from mandrake 9.2 -Debian Stable or Gentoo.. (which looks like a pain to install)
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Go for gentoo! You can have a stage3 install, which should take some half an hour. You can recompile stuff and get optimized whenever you have the time...
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About Suse 9.1, if you want KDE go with them, they actually employ people to work on that desktop environment :) The only problem with it is that either you buy it, or you have to do an FTP install (which is not so much of a problem, IF you have a great big pipe sucking the life out of the internet).
About Mandrake, that\'s what I use and of course I\'ll be biased and say that it\'s absolutely wonderful ;) The URPMI system is really your friend, and the amount of alternative repositories out there, with interesting collections of software is very, very extensive. I should probably add that Mandrake has been my distro of choice since two years ago, when I installed 8.2. Haven\'t looked back since ;) Currently on 10 Official, waiting for 10.1 Community Edition to be released to the public.
About Gentoo, that system is quite simply not a beginner\'s system... Very powerful yes, but not exactly simple... Also, it has gotten quite a bad reputation due to it\'s apparent l337 status. It has even spawned this site: http://funroll-loops.org/ that rips the p*ss out of the sadly large part of Gentoo users that have little clue about just what makes Gentoo good. Please understand that I\'ve nothing against Gentoo as such, it\'s just not the optimal beginner\'s distribution ;)
So, in essence, my suggestion for a distribution if you just want to use it is to go for Mandrake, and suggest that you use KDE, since that\'s what I know and have grown to love muchly (it is no longer the nightmare of usability it once was, I should add). As for some ideas for what to do in KDE, try this on for size: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Fun+Things+To+Do+in+KDE
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Originally posted by leinir
About Suse 9.1, if you want KDE go with them, they actually employ people to work on that desktop environment :) The only problem with it is that either you buy it, or you have to do an FTP install (which is not so much of a problem, IF you have a great big pipe sucking the life out of the internet).
Heh.. That is a thing of the past my friend - Novell has made an ISO of the Personal Edition public with the newest release of Suse. You can download it from a mirror (http://www.suse.com/us/private/download/ftp/personal_iso_int.html) near you
The old FTP install was a pain if you didn\'t know how to deal with it.. I had a friend with a 2Mbit ADSL download the server files and I then installed my comp at his place and used him as a server over LAN.. Quick install - painless
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Yay! More people are deserting the capitalist machine of doom and going to good ol\' Linux.
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I would go to Linux but most games I like dont have a port over to it and Capitalists rule :P jk.
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I suggested gentoo to fireofsoul, who stated he used linux before. Not to the newbie X, mdk for him. ;)
And I can\'t find anything funny or offensive about that site. ?(
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Kde has to be THE gui of choice for anyone who is serious (in other words a lot of ex-windows people like gnome more :P).
Big list of useful programs:
Multimedia:
Xine
MPlayer
Kaboodle (so damn nice for listening to music, even though its really basic)
Real Player
Gimp
Kuikshow
Games:
WineX/Cedega (allow you to play Windows games on linux)
WineX you can download some old RPMs for, but Cedega you will need to pay $5US a month for.
Internet:
Firefox
MLDonkey (havn\'t got this to work but it sounds good)
Thunderbird
Other:
OpenOffice
Kwrite
Most of these will come with your distro but if not they are easy enough to find through websites like these:
Sourceforge (http://www.sf.net)
Freshmeat (http://www.freshmeat.net)
Another good site is Happy Penguin (http://www.happypenguin.org), for all your linux gaming goodness.
-Zorium
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Crossover office is good aswell... but heaps of the games are un tested on it.
you can use things like photoshop.. Microsoft office (cripple\'s over and dies)
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Originally posted by Zorium
A quick note, if you have two harddrives the first harddrive is hda the second hdb and so on.
This is almost true. A more accurate explanation would be that the first drive (drive could mean harddrive or cdrom) on the first IDE channel is hda, and the second drive on the first IDE channel is hdb, and so on. So the first drive on the second IDE channel is hdc, and on the third channel is hde. Partitions are denoted by a number following one of those (eg: First partition on the first drive on the first IDE channel is hda1, third partition is hda3).
It seems kinda crazy but it\'s way more useful and informative than the letter numbering scheme of A: C: D: etc...
You\'re probably going to have more problems with Linux than Windows, unless you\'re the kind of person that likes that sort of stuff (so they wont really be considered \"problems\"). My Linux box breaks daily, but I use it because I love to tinker with stuff. That being said I haven\'t had Windows on my computers for the past 4-5 years, and it\'s been one aggrivating but fun ride.
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Breaks daily? How the hell do you manage that? Mine only breaks when I upgrade my distro or reformat the root partition :P
-Zorium
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Well after reading this thread I was....inspired. I had thought about running Windows and Linux on dual hard drives before but never got around to it.
I am currently typing this while running Mandrake, the only snag I hit was that I could not boot up Windows....then that hard-drive got corrupted, was formatted and for some reason my XP Restore Disk isn\'t working. So no Windows for me.
And the fact that I know nothing about Linux is making this slow going. But all in all I like it so far.
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When i first started i had 1 HDD partitioned one as a linux partition and the other with my windows installation. After a while i formatted my linux partition and wanted to merge it back to my windows part.
problem was i got rid of the boot manager. and someother stuff which ended up mucking up the computer up a bit for some reason.. i managed to get into windows and using partition manager tryed to merge the 2 partitions... it didnt like it.. nothing worked.. it got to like 96% and died so then the whole hdd was stuffed.
so i formatted (i format like once every 6 months caus i muck around too much)
Then i found another HDD so all good now.
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I was wondering how you guys play games on that. Do games like cs, warcraft, ect. work with linux?
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you use programmes like Wine and Crossover office which let you use windows things on linux.. and for me the games seem to run faster.
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Well after reading this thread I was....inspired. I had thought about running Windows and Linux on dual hard drives before but never got around to it.
I am currently typing this while running Mandrake, the only snag I hit was that I could not boot up Windows....then that hard-drive got corrupted, was formatted and for some reason my XP Restore Disk isn\'t working. So no Windows for me.
And the fact that I know nothing about Linux is making this slow going. But all in all I like it so far.
So you completely nuked your Windows drive? If its recoverable or it still exists in some form or another, try insterting Mandrake cd 1 before you boot then hit f1, now type rescue and restore your Windows boot loader. Now make your bios boot from the Windows hard drive. All things being equal Windows should be going again but who actually wants Windows anyway :P.
Of course if you have destroyed your hard drive entirely.....
-Zorium
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was formatted
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!BAM! *comes bursting onto the web having finnaly read all the documentation at http://www.linux.org/ and found a destro that he likes*
I got Knoppix 6.3-err 3.6 *forhead slap*
I still have to format the old hardrive and install it, but thanks so far everyone! :D
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I have a Knoppix live cd.. err meaning that i can boot it from the disk and change no files.. i got it about 3 years ago when it came free with a pc mag.. it runs slowly and its basically to show people what its like...
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Progs
Mozilla
Xine
MPlayer
Open Office.
Those are the musts.
Partioning one HDD for multiple OSes can be fun. Have RH 9, Windows XP Pro and Longhorn on my laptop right now. Longhorn install got corrupted though and been to lazy to reinstall it since the current build is too damn buggy.
P.S. Think I would have really liked gentoo but no matter how many times I tried to install it (trying all 3 diffrent stages) it just didnt like my box I was putting it on. Ended up just sticking with redhat 9 for now.
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Even though the original objective has been met, I\'d like to say that I don\'t recommend debian for beginners. The install is very inflexible and you occasionally need to use the shell to make it do stuff it doesn\'t by itself.
Furthermore, it\'s not as user-friendly in terms of configuration and hardware detection.
Also, you should consider using the testing branch (\"sarge\") for a workstation system, because the sta(b)le branch (\"woody\") is so outdated that you\'ll have a hard time to compile things on it and chanches are slim to find any recent software precompiled for it. It is therefore mostly usable for servers that don\'t require additional and / or recent software (NFS servers, for example, samba is only version 2.2.3a-13, which works fine with windows 9x and NT, but doesn\'t with the samba 3.x client, I use NFS instead (maybe someone here knows why the two won\'t work together?)).
I chose it because it\'s \"pure\" (in terms of license and support) and because it is easy to keep up to date (especially security-wise, but only the stable branch gets timely security updates).
Note that you\'ll require a broadband connection if you\'re running testing, because it updates quite often and may download >=100 MB depending on how much stuff you have installed. Of course, you don\'t have to update if the stuff you have works for you.
Migrating from woody to sarge is possible, but it caused problems with config files for me so it took a while to get it back to being usable, and still get the occasional \"configlet invalid\" error, so you\'re better off installing from scratch.