PlaneShift
Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Kuiper7986 on September 27, 2004, 06:06:05 am
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Okay too many times have I seen guilds get too many applications to be in there guilds when an MMORPG is at full speed. Guilds get huge amounts of apps and a lot of beginner players to the game and are pestered to be in the guild. I thought of this idea so that beginner players who know nothing about Planeshift can gain the fundamental skills needed to survive in the world of Planeshift and also be accepted into a guild without having to wait forever. Right now this may not affect very many people because there are few guilds only now but later on as Planeshift becomes more and more a product that is feasible to be called a \"real game not in testing,\" there are going to be a lot of \"one-man\" guilds that will pop up like crazy. I believe that all the guilds now if they last that long will become the premiere guilds of Planeshift. No matter who you, A Blitzer, Cabali, Defender, Mirth, Champion of Yliakum, Follower of Aliathi, Helmora Velsha, and all the other guilds that exist now, if you last that long you will most likely be a premiere guild, and I\'m sure everyone would agree with me on that. Here take this a classic scenario for a guild, \"too many noobs and not enough advanced players.\" This happens when the game becomes so popular there are more people coming in than people that have been for the game awhile. Well I have an idea, my idea is that this \"extension program,\" will take noobs and shape them up guild acceptance, so when they\'re ready they can be hired or accepted by one of these \"premiere\" guilds and then can be moulded however they need to be.
The downside of this is that this will require some man-power. I mean I will be training players myself but I can\'t only do it myself but I hope it doesn\'t change your opinion about this idea yeah...anyways here it is:
Planeshift Guilds Indoctrination Extension
Mission : To provide an opportunity for the next-generation players of Planeshift to learn the game yet build recognition among the Planeshift guilds community so that they will be up on top of selection into the respected guild that is wanting the player(s).
Ranking System:
The system of ranking will be out of a possible 1000pts. The 1000pts will be broken up into eight parts with four parts of 200pts, one part consisting of 100pts, and two parts consisting of 50pts.
Combat (solo) [200pts]: This portion is dedicated to fundamental skills in fighting by fighting alone. Getting a good score means, knowing when to change attack modes and be able to be flexible in making quick combat decisions.
Combat (team) [200pts]: This portion is dedicated to more advanced concepts in team combat. The player will learn to work as a team using communication and not being a hero but being a team player for quick victory.
Job Specialty knowledge [200pts]: This portion is dedicated to making sure that the job the player is learning can be applied correctly and that this player knows about the job he is doing.
Exploring [200pts]: Points here are dedicated for the player\'s ability to explore and find areas depending on key geographical locations, geographical characteristics, and basic Cartography
Obedience [100pts]: Here is where the player\'s ability to follow orders are put to the test. Meaningless orders and requests will be asked to test the player\'s response reactions to the task and ability to multi-task
Role-playing Skills [50pts]: Testing role playing skills in a MMORPG enviroment, it helps
General Knowledge[50pts]: Tests basic knowledge that any player should have; knowledge about the races of planeshift, some simple jobs, who the creator of Planeshift is, etc...
General Score Placement:
0-250: Not ready
251-500: Maybe ready but will need more training (accept at your own risk)
501-750: Ready for guild placement
751-1000: Ready for acceptance (player is very strong in all categories and shows great promise).
I really really want this idea to pass by all the guilds, I mean its a great idea and in the long run it\'ll save the guilds some aggravation, if you have any comments or think about changing something. reply or PM\'me, I\'ll be messing around with the ranking system if you guys really need me to, thanks for reading if you did, I know it was a long post, but I think an important one.
ADDED: There\'s also a teacher job that\'s listed on the main site, so any Dev\'s maybe want to come up with a way to implement the teacher job can read and maybe pick up an idea or two.
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sounds like a port foilo for would be slav... err i mean fellow workers :D
iam not sure i like to it much. certain guilds prize certain qualities. For example roleplay would be the main thing they base their choice on. or exploration if your the explorers guild. So the scores should be set by which ever guild wants to take part.
and theres the problem with bottom feeders ( or people who dont do well in the tests ). these guys/gals wont get a chance to really show how capable they actually are in actual sutitions.
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how about we just let golbez go though the guild list and rate them like he is on Kadas tavern (http://www.thebbb.tk)
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Why making things complicated? :rolleyes: Well, when Avril sings it is different, and it rocks :P
But you\'re not Avril, and I preffer the job done by Golbez. Not that I have something personal with ya ... but it just won\'t work :D
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Also, who is going to test all those people anyway? There will be thousands of them when the game is finished. :)
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Well, I think it\'s a great, well thought out idea, of course the point system would vary guild to guild, some guilds increasing the points for roleplaying and some removing entirely the points for combat skills...
Whatever the case, I like it...
I think that instead of having generall teachers, it would be better for each guild to have it\'s own member / members to test these things, this way the testing can be more tuned to the guild, as well as the fact that it is unlikely that anyone would go out of their way the test the new people.
Then again there is the possibility that this idea is fundamental, i.e. neccessary for any new player to join a guild, in that case teaching this would most likely become a paid job.
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You try too hard Kuiper.
And I don\'t mean that in a good way...ideas for the sake of ideas? No thanks. I mean, do you seriously think this would be useful in any way? Idiots will remain idiots rather then read, others will seek out help if they don\'t know how to do things. Maybe I\'m wrong though, maybe the average person would like it, who knows. :O
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I object to the meager point -value placed on the roleplay section of the test. It is far more important than 5% of a grade like that.
-Monketh
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To Kiern: I rather be trying to hard for a good reason than complain about everything else. - That\'s the point, to seek help if they need it. Most people are usually too busy or have something else important to do than to help a beginner, so they usually ask around for 12 hours until they find someone kind enough to help them. So what I\'m doing is provide a place where beginners can come and learn some basic skills.
To Monketh: As I said in the main post, if there\'s something wrong or you want something changed, tell me so I can change it. My goal is mould it so it meets everyone\'s \'requirements\" for lack of a better term.
Seperot: That has nothing to do with my idea. Your talking about rating the guilds. I\'m talking about rating the individual player.
To Annah: I guess we shouldn\'t have modern medicene, it\'s too complicated. It\'s good that it can be complicated, so that it works for everyone, I don\'t want it so simple that it doesn\'t prove anything.
To Snow_Raven: So who cares if he does bad on tests. It\'ll show that he\'s weak in stressful situations. So when your fighting a monster with someone who is in a stressful situation then you\'ll be ready for it, you\'ll know that you\'ll have to compensate for it.
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Right, I know, but this just seems needlessly complicated...why apply it only to guilds? As you said, there\'s a teaching job, and thus there will more then likely be teachers available, why is there a need to go beyond that?
And I\'m not complaining, I\'m disagreeing.
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Mmmh. I am not too convinced about it. There is an interesting idea, no doubt. But no matter where I look at it from, I cannot help but to feel that being so exacting and formal when scrutinising a candidate for a guild is not very practical.
How about making use of a less structured evaluation system? The guild could select a few members specialised in recruiting, and when someone makes it know that he/she wishes to form part of the guild, he/she is assigned as the student of one of the selected \"mentors\", or \"teachers\".
These people in charge of recruiting would keep their eyes on the candidate, getting to know him in order to judge whether he would be a valuable contribution or his efforts are best invested elsewhere.
The probation period could last one or two weeks. I think that would be enough time to realise if a character is suitable for a guild.
I think that a more simplistic approach could be just as effective, without the burden of assigning grades and adding numbers to see if the new guy is approved.
My two cents, from a freelance individualistic Enkidukai ;)
- Golbez
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If a teacher\'s guild existed (either by an independant alliance of teachers, or by decree of the Octarch or Vigesimi) then guilds could require a player be certified by that guild as passing some examination - the details of that would be left up to the particular teachers guild.
Additionally, guilds might have their own teaching arm, capable of testing for whatever qualities it desires.
Just a couple thoughts.
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Originally posted by Monketh
I object to the meager point -value placed on the roleplay section of the test. It is far more important than 5% of a grade like that.
-Monketh
Agreed
Kuiper, if you feel this will help, and you are willing to commit the time to do it, more power to you. But I believe you will have a hard time finding people to help you.
And with the teacher job, who knows how that job will turn out. I may be very similar to what Kuiper described. If so, maybe Kuiper can start a Teachers Guild to help nooblets get on their feet. :P
Again, if you feel it will help, go for it.
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Ill help him. its for a worthy cause.
there could be a \"test member\" rank in every guild, so that new members would go there. and if after a week they arent promoted, then the will be dropped from the guild. and while they are in the \"test member\" category, they would be given a test according to the guild standards.
another idea, we could only have a set amount of guilds which would be the premiere guilds. and there would be no other guilds to prevent one-man-guilds and the like. i dont know how to explain why, but i think this would make the game better, not only because it would prevent small guilds of 1-3 people but its would make guild conflict a part of the game, which i think would be a good thing, to some extent. maybe you dont see it from my point of view, but if you did, you might agree.
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I think its a great idea but each guild has diff reqs. Like mine for example: I need all my people to rp, most of my people to be strong, some very wise people and some great leaders. Other guild may want people who can assasinate or hide ect.
I think Ill take this idea (if you let me......friend :) ) and bend it so the grading system will fit the HV way. And instead of making them send me a one page essay or somthing, Ill put them through like a one week testing period. Which I and the others will decide if hes/she is fit to join yet.
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Planeshift Guilds Indoctrination Extension
Mission : To provide an opportunity for the next-generation players of Planeshift to learn the game yet build recognition among the Planeshift guilds community so that they will be up on top of selection into the respected guild that is wanting the player(s).
Handler:
Each Handler will be assigned to five or six people. The handler is basically the teacher and trainer of the skills. The Handler can give any recognition to any member if he/she believes the player has rightly earned it in any circumstance the handler believes gives a feasible reason.
Education Fundamentals:
The player will learn and practice all of these fundamental skills: combat (solo), combat (team), exploring, Role-playing, and general Planeshift knowledge. With these basic skills the player will be able to survive on his without the help of confining to a safe area and/or constant fatality.
Guild Acceptance:
Each guild that currently exists in Planeshift may if they want to submit a 20 question multiple choice survey. This survey will be posted on the website (when and if one is created) He or she maybe copy the questions and their answers and email them to the respected guild of the test. Thereafter the guild may review this survey to see if he/she may be of any value to the guild or not be of any value to the guild.
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I basically made the essay instead of a formal test and score count. Because you guys are right every guild is different. The guilds may then submit a 20 question multiple choice survey of questions they want to ask. It can be anything. Therefore the guild has their own scoring system which is obviously based on their ideals and belief. For example: If someone wants to join the Cabali but on the Cabali survey he answers, \"righteouness and goodness is great.\" Then obviously he won\'t score high based on, \"Cabali\" standards. And same goes for all the guilds.
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is this training course going to be manditory for all new gen PlaneShifters? what if we simply made a flash cartoon or something that shows all basic fundamentals(sp?) and when registering an account, it would show before you reached the final step. and maybe on the tavern site, under each guild was the 20 multiple choice q\'s that they could send to the leaders email.
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no of course it isn\'t mandatory, but why give up the opportunity to learn from people who are experienced.
Secondly, I rather have the player learn from first-hand experience to get the feeling for it.
Thirdly, that\'s up to Kada-El I have no power over that. It\'s her Tavern...gotta ask her.
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i was just making a suggestion, but i will tell kada, because i think it will be a good idea if guilds could have applications to fill out for new members
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I like this system a lot. Are you going to be running it? Ill get 20 q\'s done soon.
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kuiper there are something Online tests cant show. Like if you give them MCQ on the choices
Q how do you kill a monster ?
A) You just kill it
B) cast magic
C) Hug it O.o ....
D) Whats a monster ?
Q How would you rp ?
A) Type on a keyboard
B) Kill noobs
C) dance nekkid round a fire like the surivour guy
D) whats RP ?
So at the end of the say what have we acheived ? nothing but a unnessary ranking system to replace a all ready working one made by natural selection.
Guilds have always weeded the strong from the weak by setting standards on which the people who want to join must meet . The system works fine and has been working fine for other games so why change what is not broken and improveing it does nothing ?
And The bottom feeders, yes there are some true bottom feeders who can\'t tell which end of a sword is the proding end or can\'t hit the broad side of their bum with a frying pan or a combination of many other examples to numerous to type down. They will always dream big and set up organisations which crumble like a sand castle on a beach.
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No Snow_Raven that\'s not fair your asking sarcastic questions, which makes the whole thing intentionally look bad. But the questions would ask more important things like your alignment or combat situation due to alignment for example:
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1.) You are now the guild leader of an unaligned guild and the Dark Alliance and the Citadel of Light are heading for war what would you do?
A.) Join The Citadel of Light
B.) Join The Dark Alliance
C.) Avoid a confrontation by not taking any sides
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2.) Your fighting a losing battle against a monster. You are a tank (player heavily based on physical combat), your teammate who is a crystal-way healer is dead. Your at half HP, you know a little crystal-way magic yourself, and just have enough MP for one last resurrection spell or a curative spell twice. What would you do?
A.) Take your chances try to finish the fight at half HP without resurrecting your teammate because you know you can finish the fight faster, then revive your teammate after.
B.) Resurrect your teammate and hope he doesn\'t get ko\'ed again at low HP.
C.) Try to finish the fight but also using your remaining MP for curative spells that will bring you to full HP increasing your chances of success but will not have enough MP to resurrect your teammate afterwards.
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3.) The guild you are in has finally decided to uphold an alignment of either good or evil. Half of the council has decided to be good the other half has decided to be evil. Everyone has voted except you what would you do?
A.) Take a side that you believe in, possibly sending the guild into a civil war.
B.) Tell the guild that good or evil causes problems, and that the guild should be neutral.
C.) Quit the guild and leave the burden behind.
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Efflixi and Exuro don\'t do anything yet, I don\'t want Kada-El rushed or being forced to do anything, I mean I didn\'t even ask her myself yet, so like just wait so you don\'t end up doing everything for no reason, if that happens....
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oops, i accidently already pmed her a suggestion. you hadnt post this and i thought it was a good idea. sorry
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Actually, I was never gonna say anything to kada I thought you would take care of it your self :P