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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Tomanaque on October 27, 2004, 06:14:46 am
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Arcane Knights
Overview:
We are a guild that not only bases themselves off of combat and fighting, but live for it. Our main goal is to provide help to those in need and support our other guild members. Also, we are mercenaries, we will fight for money.
Our basic purpose is to be our own stable economy that can live and support itself with out any outside help. We will of course welcome outside help through trading and quests, but we won?t necessarily need them.
Prerequisite:
There are no prerequisites but we would prefer that you have some form of job and helping hand that you could perform.
Jobs:
These are the jobs that are available in our guild
Each job has a corresponding level number, levels in this guild do not signify importance, everyone treats everyone else with respect, if not I will see to the issue
Mercenary*
Jeweler*
Merchant*
Potter
Glassmaker
Cook
Healer*
Leatherworker*
Alchemist*
Artist
Miner*
Musician
Animal Trainer*
Tailor
Weapon Smithy*
Architect
Armor Smithy*
Builder*
Farmer
Miller
Butcher
Fisherman
Brewer
Bower (creates bows)*
Cartography
Artist
* Very Important Role in our society
We would like an unlimited amount of people to get involved on these jobs and the more the merrier right?
Merchants and other jobs that might involve selling of products sold?.you are to sell to all people who come to you for money. If they come bearing the password, which will change on a weekly basis, you are to give them a 25% discount to your normal prices.
Members- if the merchants do not do this turn them to me and I will deal with them accordingly.
If you forget or didn?t ask for the new password, just message me and I will give it to you, bearing you are on my list.
Rules:
YOU MUST ABIDE BY ALL RULES STATED OR ELSE BE EXPELLED FROM THIS GUILD THIS IS YOUR ONLY WARNING
1. All people are treated as equals; the word, noob, noobie, newbies, and any other form of discriminating a new player are banned from your usage. Remember, we were all noobs at one point in time.
2. You must attend one or more Guild meetings per month. If not, you will get suspended from this guild for 2-6 weeks.
3. Participation in Role Playing is very important, you must participate to the best of your ability; your ?real? name shall never be spoken, no one shall know who you really are. This is based off trust, although I feel most of you will follow this. If you need to trade names, do so using aim or some other chat program that is meant for buddy discussion and not role playing
4. Do you Job. You must be producing in your job field. We are not yet sure how the jobs will work with the actual game, as in I am not sure if you will be able to change you whole career or if you must keep the one you have, but if you have an issue with your job, you can certainly speak to me and I will se what I can do.
5. You can take which ever side politically you want, but do not make it a problem for other members.
6. Killing of non-members is permitted, but member and ally slaying is prohibited. If you are seen doing this and turned in, you will be banned from ever joining a guild, or an ally guild, ever again.
7. Wars- I am the only person that can declare war until further notice. During a war, you are expected to do all you can to harm and destroy the opposing guilds business, mercenaries, and productivity possible. Plans will be coordinated by my and other guild mods.
8. You must listen to guild mods if the tell you to do something, provided it is not harmful in any way, to you, our guild, or to information. If this becomes a problem, come to me or another mod. If more than one are trying to force you to do something, tell me and I will see to it that they learn their lessons.
9. You are not to disobey any orders I give you unless a just reason is stated. I will not judge this; your fellow members will judge this at a group meeting. Before that meeting you will have the choice of listening to me you being right, where I will take full blame and give you a sufficient amount of trias, or you can ignore me and if I am right you will either owe me a large sum of tria, or you will be banned, depending on the problem and the ruling of the guild.
10. You are never to give away our password to anyone, the only people that may know are our allies, but I will give their leader that, not you. You are never to speak of the password and only give it to people that you KNOW are in our guild. NO ifs, ands, or buts about it.
11. All things disputed over are to be brought to my attention, where I will write them down and you are to do the same. I will bring them up at a guild meeting, and if I forget you can ask them at the end (see more below)
Guild Meetings
Order of Weekly Meeting
1. Upcoming events (mini games, competitions, celebrations, etc.)
2. News (New releases, current events, political things, etc.)
3. Disputes and Voting (issues that people have brought to my attention)
4. Attention grabbers (helpful snippets of information, interesting things, etc.)
5. Money Updates ( recent sales, trading of products)
6. Donations (money given to me that will be counted and used on special events)
7. Questions
8. Giving of new Password
You are not required to stay for the whole ceremony, it is recommended, but the information will be updated in our guilds thread, except the password, I will need to be contacted or another member.
My Planeshift Screen Name is Tomanaque
(couldnt have gueesed huh?)
Post here, e-mail me, or message me in the game to notify if you want to be a member
Arcane Knights- Roster and job changes/list
Current Jobs
Mercenary- Lithith, jamezon, Jujuwiwi,
Jeweler
Merchant
Potter
Glassmaker
Cook
Healer- Futeki, Habi, dogkiller
Leatherworker
Alchemist- Tomanaque
Artist
Miner
Musician
Animal Trainer-Ry,
Tailor
Weapon Smithy- solmaster
Architect
Armor Smithy
Builder
Farmer
Miller
Butcher
Fisherman
Brewer
Bower (creates bows)
Cartography
Artist
Mods:
Ry, Futeki, solmaster
Leader:
Tomanaque
Members:
Tomanaque, Ry, Futeki, Lithith, Jujuwiwi, Dogkiller, Jamezon, Habi, solmaster
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looks the the fso with the arcane orders half stollen name, and the only compliment im going to give you is that you mentioned roleplaying... although i dont exactly agree with everything you said around roleplaying...
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i\'m open on all ears, if you have something to criticise me fine, but i didnt steal the name, people have been around long enough that some music is being reused, atleast peices of songs, and i didnt steal the name, arcane is a style of magic that is used in many things, there are many things based off of arcane, you can pair any word with arcane and say its half stolen from fso
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hmm ou got a strange goal though I think its a good idea. A guild that can fully support itsself can only profit fromi it.
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Originally posted by windwalker
looks the the fso with the arcane orders half stollen name, and the only compliment im going to give you is that you mentioned roleplaying... although i dont exactly agree with everything you said around roleplaying...
I agree with Windwalker. The two guild names might get mixed up, at least by new players. A society of knights is usually called \"an order\" so if the name \"Arcane Order\" didn\'t already exist the Arcane Knigths could be called \"The Arcane Order of Knights\" or simply the Arcane Order. If it was the Arcane Peasants it wouldn\'t be as similiar as peasants usually doesn\'t form orders. But as it is now players who first gets to hear about the Arcane Knights and the hear about the Arcane Order will most likely think that they are the same guild! :(
What if someone called themselves the Mirth Society? Or the Disciples of Aliathi? Or the Dark Order? Or the Templars of Iron? Keep your guild name as original as possible!
Your guild setup seems somewhat good, Tomanaque, altough the objective to earn money is really boring. I suggest that you change the name, maybe considering to even remove \"knights\" from the name as anyone, not only knights*, are welcome. It is always nice to see a new guild, but an original name and motive makes it more interesting.
* Oh, and with knights I mean people who specify in melee fighting and heavy armour. Farmers and brewers aren\'t usually Knights. :)
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Originally posted by Lardhoc Aewheros
Or the Dark Order?
Axsyrus would tell him to join either Black Order or Dark Empire...
oh who am I kidding? That actually happened...
- Swords
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Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
hmm ou got a strange goal though I think its a good idea. A guild that can fully support itsself can only profit fromi it.
Translation:
Hmm... you\'ve got a strange goal, and although I don\'t really think that it\'s any fun at all, it\'ll be extremely beneficial to me when I take over your guild, because you can bear the brunt of supporting my armies. :D
Welcome and all that as well. Oh, and for the most part I agree with what\'s been said about your name.
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\"Arcane\" is a word that can be used by anyone. I don\'t think that Arcane Order has a copyright on it, nor other guilds.
Though, you have to have something called respect. Having a name similar to a bigger or older guild makes you just a cheap copy of that.
Anyway, there were several fights for a name some time ago, but they had a happy ending: they all became friends, and also one of the guilds disappeared 8)
So ... good luck. (Ah, and I also don\'t see anything new and revolutionary in the guild :P )
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Originally posted by Annah
\"Arcane\" is a word that can be used by anyone. I don\'t think that Arcane Order has a copyright on it, nor other guilds.
Of course not, it is a word in the dictionary. But \"Arcane Knights\' Guild\" will be very similiar to Arcane Order as a gathering of knights is very often called an order.
Please, think of a more original name that more correctly describe your guild\'s motives, Tomanaque.
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Not a bad idea, i just dun like roleplaying. As for the name...thats another story....
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Originally posted by Lardhoc Aewheros
\"Arcane Knights\' Guild\" will be very similiar to Arcane Order as a gathering of knights is very often called an order.
He didn\'t name his guild \"Arcane Gathering of Knights\"
and as long as \"Order of Knights\" wouldn\'t be called \"Order of Order\" I don\'t see the problem...
- Swords
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I agree with Draklar :]
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Well, you seem like another Merc Guild to me, but all the best to you...
Though the name sounds like a subsidiary of the Arcane Order (a melee soldier division perhaps), the name is not copyrighted, and you have every right.
I didn\'t think a group of knights was called an order, but my search seems to indicate it is. If that\'s the name you want, so be it.
Good luck Tomanaque.
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*Grins* Welcome to this realm, I really like your setup and the order to which it is upheld. Your independance in earning power is what your system is to accomplish right (Well or atleast what I got from it)?
For the most part I think you will do well if you can find some dedicated followers but if you can\'t...you will fall quickly. If you do succeed in keeping this guild above it\'s grave be warned now war will automatically be placed upon your guild if it dwells within \"Evil\" status for to long...and when I say to long I mean \"At all\".
I am the Leader of Rebirth and my intentions in life are most clear to myself and others...please do not find yourself getting in my path...Good luck :)
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enough about the name people, i get it, but i didnt plan that and i dont think that it will be a problem, if you have problems with it thats tough but i didnt even read in this forum before i typed this, i just saw the guild forum and said, hey i can put the guild information there, dont start giving me crap about the name
thank you Adeli, Annah, and darklar for you support
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Too many guilds are accepting people of all professions (yeah, that is what my guild is all about but...shh).
Nothing overly revolutionary in it, pretty good setup... I doubt it will end up very popular but, you never know....FESFES is still around and that surprises all of us :P
As for the name I think it is fine for originality though, it doesn\'t quite describe the guild...at all...
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:) Don\'t get me wrong, I don\'t accuse you for stealing anyone\'s name. I just believe that you have picked that name just because it sounds \"cool\" and not because it is a proper name for the guild. If you have \"knights\" in the name it suggests that the guild is a guild for knights.
I can\'t accept that argument, Draklar. \"Knight\'s Guild\" is almost an exact synonym to \"order\". This name will cause misunderstandings, but it doesn\'t really matter much. Go ahead if you really like the name so much...
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Originally posted by Lardhoc Aewheros
\"Knight\'s Guild\" is almost an exact synonym to \"order\".
I usually call it knighthood... never heard it being called \"order\" before...
- Swords
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Originally posted by Annah
Anyway, there were several fights for a name some time ago, but they had a happy ending: they all became friends, and also one of the guilds disappeared 8)
LMAO
sad but true
Anyways, just FYI I could care less if they moddled there name to one letter different from ours, makes no difference.
i was just more or less expectingt some kinda of Anti-mage org. but oh well i can dream on...
Good luck with your guild
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Originally posted by Draklar
Originally posted by Lardhoc Aewheros
\"Knight\'s Guild\" is almost an exact synonym to \"order\".
I usually call it knighthood... never heard it being called \"order\" before...
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Good, if most people haven\'t there will be less misunderstandings. :)
However it do mean what I say, (plus a dozen of other things, of course):
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=55883&dict=CALD
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I don\'t see where it says so :/
Only place where \"knight\" is used is the example... but you can put priest, soldier, defender, lawn-mower or whatever in there and it still will sounds as good...
- Swords
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Originally posted by Draklar
Originally posted by Lardhoc Aewheros
\"Knight\'s Guild\" is almost an exact synonym to \"order\".
I usually call it knighthood... never heard it being called \"order\" before...
- Swords
To my knowledge, knightly orders are only of the church..
The knights \"of the land\" fall into other categories.
Take eg. The Knights Templar... They are an order.
See link (http://www.ordotempli.org/)
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err yes... they aren\'t an order because of being knights, but because of being religious organisation...
- Swords
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Then we agree..
I just skimmed the thread and might have gotten in on a wrong foot.. I just wanted to help clear things up :]
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Lardhoc Aewheros: Your point is hardly a valid one, I\'m sorry to say.
Were this guild named \"Knight\'s guild\" then you have a point, as it is Arcane Knights, you cannot honestly say that it is synonomous with \'order\'.
Arcane Knights = Magic Soldiers
Group of Arcane Knights = Order of Magic Soldiers?
It is just a name, not a classification.
Oh, I think a bow craftsman is called a Bowyer? May be wrong...
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thank you adeli for the correction, i am not sure, if you are correct i will fix the error
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um.. arcane != magic
arcane = Mystery, something not understood, etc.
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druke, I went for a linear definition...
I know it\'s wrong... I was just trying to show that \'Arcane Knights\' does not mean \'Order\' in any way.
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Stop bringing in Arcane, Adeli. I can\'t possibly need to prove that Arcane is equal to Arcane. :D It is \"Knight\'s Guild\" that is similiar to \"Order\" as, as stated before, a society of Knight\'s can be called an order as well as a \"Knight\'s Guild\". Check this (http://www.hyperdictionary.com/search.aspx?define=order). As you can see in the related terms section to this massive definition of the word \"order\" you can find the word \"knighthood\". (Among tons of other words, you might need the search feature to find it.)
But it\'s nothing to argue over really, I must agree that my argument is rather(or very?) far-fetched. :) It is not as much the (far-fetched)similiarity with the name of the AO as the meaning of the name that bother me. Arcane Knights is neither especially for knights nor especially for people interested in the arcane but for everyone. Thus it is a very specific name for a most unspecific guild. It is only choosen because it sounds \"cool\". A cool name isn\'t everything Tomanaque, you need to come up with some new creative idea\'s to make your guild interesting. Anyways, good luck!
I will now leave this thread and its pointless discussions(that by the way is my fault), PM me if you have something to tell me about this post because I won\'t watch this thread anymore. Bye...
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Well Tomanaque, once more, best of luck to your guild, in a way Lardhoc was right about the name, you should aim for something more vague.
I\'ll see you in Yliakum one day.
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Originally posted by Lardhoc Aewheros
As you can see in the related terms section to this massive definition of the word \"order\" you can find the word \"knighthood\".
Yes, in related terms, not definition.
knighthood != order
look up \'jester\' in that dictionary... for some odd reason you\'ll find \'banana\' in related terms. That doesn\'t mean jester = banana.
Note: you won\'t find \'order\' in related terms to word \'knight\'. And when looking up for \'knighthood\', only \'order\' you\'ll find is this: \"order of knighthood\". That would be \"Order of order\", no?
- Swords
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Well, on the surface, I don\'t see whats wrong with your name Tomanoque, but since there are so many people against it, it might be wise to change it. Telling people to shut up and get over it, from my experience, isn\'t going to help.
First impressions are important...
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No Draklar he is saying that group of knights is often called an order meaning it will be called and order of knights. What a get from your logic ressembles Robert=Rob=Robbie so Robbieert=Robert
Algebra (per say) doesn\'t really work with language constantly
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Originally posted by Icefalcon
Well, on the surface, I don\'t see whats wrong with your name Tomanoque, but since there are so many people against it, it might be wise to change it. Telling people to shut up and get over it, from my experience, isn\'t going to help.
First impressions are important...
Indeed. Dont make people people hate you. Its anoying to see threads go up saying \"Goodbye\" or \"My time here is up\" or somthing like that anouncing them leaving the community becuase they are not liked.