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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: Slatz on November 09, 2004, 11:40:26 pm
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What is your favourit Operating System? Mine, personally, is any of the GNU/Linux variants, with Mac OS X at a (very) close second..
What about everyone else? What\'s your preferred OS?
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Not Windows.
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lol, i agree.. although i cant seem to get away from it :s
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Windows XP
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Cuz\' all my games are fer a Windows sytem...
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I liked mandrake linux, but have to stick with XP cause of not many games are on linux... once this game gets further down the line, and since it has a linux client... i may go back over... windows just sucks
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Anything Linux..
Otherwise if it\'s for the non compatible linux stuff
Windows XP Pro or Windows 2000 Pro (only for the gaming though)
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While I use windows XP on a daily basis, my personal preference is Mac.\'s OS\"X\" mainly because it looks great is UNIX based and can actualy be hacked (loosly used) to work on Intel/AMD procesors. I also learned to use computers on a Mac. so I am partial.
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Originally posted by Syzerian
Not Windows.
Although I tried only linux of those. Awesome enough for me! 8) :D
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Well, don\'t laugh but my fav. os is \"Windows Server 2003 - Enterprise Edition\". It\'s very stable, works very good with internet/networks and it\'s also great with games :)
As for the open source part, Debian rocks :D
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*shoots all Mac lovers*
*ahem*
I really want to like Linux, but I\'d have to learn it first, and I\'ve not been up to that these days, so I\'m going to have to say... DOS!!! :P Windows XP actually.
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Originally posted by Annah
Well, don\'t laugh but my fav. os is \"Windows Server 2003 - Enterprise Edition\".
My brother is running Win 2k3 Server as well... it seems to run very well, especially after the settings are tweaked.
Originally posted by Phinehas
I\'m going to have to say... DOS!!!
Which version? ;)
Anyway, my favorite windows operating system so far that I\'ve used is Windows 2000 Server/Pro, primarily due to the speed and stability. Starting to foget what a BSOD looks like :P
One of these days I\'ll have to set up a dual boot and try out a linux distro seriously. Set up a few, but never seriously looked into what it could do.
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I prefer Richard Stallmans usage of the words \'free software\' over the newer \'open source\'.. but thats another subject..
And i think just because windows exists, it has become the most popular target for viruses/hacks/etc... think about it, whens the last time you heard about a virus hitting a unix server? usually its just a macro or something designed to infect your \'address book\' and send copies of itself via messages through Outlook to everyone.. and do the same on their computer...
Anywho.. im going with Stallmans idea of getting rid of all proprietary software, but not to the extreme as he has.. not yet anyway, i just cant afford to get rid of some things yet.. give it several months, then we\'ll see..
If anyone is interested in the link to Richard Stallmans site, unless you already know it, pm me.. i dont think im allowed posting other sites on these boards..^^
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.. \\o/ .. Slatz. You\'re ... err, weird. :D
And who says you\'re not allowed to post others sites? Post it! :P
Ghostslayer:
\"Anyway, my favorite windows operating system so far that I\'ve used is Windows 2000 Server/Pro, primarily due to the speed and stability.\"
Isn\'t Win Server 2k3 an improved version of Win 2k? :P
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Mac System 7.0 (or maybe 6.0.8) where there was a message in the \"System\" file saying \"help, help, we\'re being held prisoner in a system software factory\" and something about ordering Pizza.
Everything was a lot more simple back then, which was nice. Now I use OS X, and enjoy it greatly. Win XP & 2K aren\'t too bad, but certainly not my platform of choice.
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I agree with \"not windows\"
Although this box is running XP. It\'s my brother\'s and he has a lot of XP reliant games.
Every time I get a BSOD, I want to burn his computer. He knows nothing about compatability or anything, he has all these conflicts and just leaves them... I\'m not allowed to alter stuff.
I really want to learn Linux though. When I get my own I will probably dual it, so I can have games.
How do you decide which Linux is best suited?
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Originally posted by dfryer
Mac System 7.0 (or maybe 6.0.8) where there was a message in the \"System\" file saying \"help, help, we\'re being held prisoner in a system software factory\" and something about ordering Pizza.
Same Fortune is on my RedHat box. :)
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Originally posted by Adeli
How do you decide which Linux is best suited?
There isn\'t simply no best Linux. But when I started I used Mandrake . However I would recommend Fedora since it\'s easy to configure too, is well known and has a good package managment (ok, not as good as apt-get and emerge). But when you \"get used\" to linux I\'d switch to gentoo (which I\'m using now). It\'s very completely compiled from source (not very difficult, it has very userfriendly installguides) so it\'s very fast.
Oh, if you hadn\'t noticed yet my opinion about OSes is :
everything but windows :D
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1st: Gentoo
2nd: WinXP 64-bit edition
3rd: LFS
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Originally posted by Annah
Ghostslayer:
\"Anyway, my favorite windows operating system so far that I\'ve used is Windows 2000 Server/Pro, primarily due to the speed and stability.\"
Isn\'t Win Server 2k3 an improved version of Win 2k? :P
I\'m sure it is.. but I said of OS that I have used :P Just because my brother has it doesn\'t mean I have used it ;)
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I like to go with windows XP. It is nice and reliable. I HATE Macintosh!!!
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http://www.zestuff.com/product.php?productid=35&cat=13&page=1
no not realy but it would be funny :P
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What I meant was, what criteria should I look at when deciding what Linux to get.
Keep in mind, I\'ve never used it before.
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have to say
xp...just b/c all my games work on that
other than that, i really like SuSe Linux
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Sep, I\'ve already seen that.
I\'m a big CAD fan.
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Adeli, depends on your computer skills...
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the current system im running is Mandrake Linux 10.1/Win2k dual boot on one system.. and XP on the other.. unfortunately, i need Windoze for my classes at the moment.. *cant wait till next semester is over*
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Computer skills I have...
Linux skills, I don\'t know what I\'d need to know...
New question, what is simple to learn and use?
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I like red hat linux (currently using redhat 9, all the fedoras don\'t support my sound card for some reason) and gentoo, with morhix as a close third, I am working on an lfs which will never be finished, it was going to be a small light-gui base for games, so you take, add a game you want, instant promo product, or for lan parties.
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Originally posted by seperot
http://www.zestuff.com/product.php?productid=35&cat=13&page=1
no not realy but it would be funny :P
NOTE TO SELF: Get a USB powered whip to torture the mac\'s fanatics with after they try to run off the plantation...
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@ Adeli: I\'d say Redhat is a good start, though SuSE will probably be OK as well. You might also try out Knoppix, as it completely runs off a CD, no install required.
However, if you actually want to learn Linux, you need to dig below the pretty graphical UIs (KDE or Gnome), and learn the real power that is the command line. For that, you\'ll need some sort of tutorial or list of commands, which I can\'t help you with. For starters, here are some commands:
cat: the equivalent of type in DOS
ls: the equivalent of dir in DOS
cd: just as cd in DOS, just needs a blank if you type cd.. (Edit: it becomes \"cd ..\" in Linux)
\"/\": the directory delimiter, the equivalent of \"\\\" in DOS (cd / instead of cd \\ for the root directory)
as for an editor, you can use
emacs
nano
pico
vi (totally non-intuitive!)
and there probably are others.
If you want to have something like \"dir /s\", use \"find\". If you need to do some \"/p\" (like in \"dir /s /p)\", use \"find | more\" or \"find | less\" (which allows scrolling).
Also, the man command is your friend (man ls, for example) brings up a description of the program (if available).
the \"Administrator\" is called \"root\" in Linux.
Edit 2: Note that in Linux everything is highly user-based, i.e., you start out with a home directory for each user, and it has a working permision system, things that have been added to Windoze only recently. Look at the manpages of \"chmod\", \"chgrp\" and \"chown\" for details.
These are just the most basic things, the rest can be learned by exploration and experimentation if you have the time.
So that\'s it for starters, but there\'s so much more.
Personally, I use Debian (and OpenBSD for more security-critical things) (as if anyone actually cares what anyone else uses :P). Oh yeah, and I have W98 for games.
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Well having used just about every operating system released since 1995, I would have to go with Amiga Workbench as my alltime favourite - however development is fairly limited for that now, so Id say probably Mac Os X.
Although I do use FreeDos on a regular basis (for work) and thats never let me down.
I spent the first 5 or so years of my computer life running macs on system 6 through to 10.1 and for some insane reason (uni) gave it all up for a Shuttle running Xp - and whilst Xp is by far the most stable of the M$ operating systems it doesnt even come close to Os X.
I suppose as well, Darwin is up there with the greats - but then thats just the bare bones of Os X anyway so..... um - lost myself in ramblings now...
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My favourite OS is anything that runs games without me having to type thousands of commands *coughlinuxcough* like I used to do when programming a Spectrum ZX98 cassette tape. *shudders*
God bless user-friendliness.
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RISC OS, there is no doubt this has to be the greatest OS released EVER although it needs some updating its all going ahead smoothly now so expect to see more of RISC OS soon :P
-Zorium
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Win 2k with every security patch out there
and yeah gentoo is great :)
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fav OS: GNU / Linux
2nd fav OS: probably MacOS X
fav distro: Gentoo
2nd fav distro: Slackware
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I quite agree with Moogie here...
I really like Linux (I\'m using mandrake 10 now) for it\'s stable, and really powerful when it comes to configure every little aspect of your computer...
But when you need to configure the \'configure.sh\' file, then run make, to read that you need a package that isnt available, try to look for it but cant find the good version, look at your watch and realise you spent 2hours struggling to finally give up... I\'d say I prefer windows where you just double-click and watch your computer work...
But i promise that as soon as linux will be as user friendly as windows when it comes to installing programs, i\'ll get rid of the windows XP i\'m using right now !
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I like VxWorks
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Originally posted by leji
I quite agree with Moogie here...
I really like Linux (I\'m using mandrake 10 now) for it\'s stable, and really powerful when it comes to configure every little aspect of your computer...
But when you need to configure the \'configure.sh\' file, then run make, to read that you need a package that isnt available, try to look for it but cant find the good version, look at your watch and realise you spent 2hours struggling to finally give up... I\'d say I prefer windows where you just double-click and watch your computer work...
But i promise that as soon as linux will be as user friendly as windows when it comes to installing programs, i\'ll get rid of the windows XP i\'m using right now !
hmm, you mean something as simple as running:
emerge -Up kde
or
apt-get install gnome
...and just wait for everything you need for that package to install itself?
...or in fact only (single)clicking on the appropriate package link on a homepage and see the pretty GUI install the bugger?
...or select the package you want from the nifty GUI and click on the install button and see the nice progress bar install everything?
yea, sorry for the sarcasm ...but i had a worse time installing winXP (needed win<95, which needed dos - dos foo\'d up the partition alignment, installed win95, ran winxp installer from it ...blablabla ...and, no, i\'m not an idiot! i did try everything else that\'s more sensible!!) than installing any Linux distro lately. ...or maybe, i\'m just used to using \"non-user-friendly\" software...
to each his own...
and i\'ll be damned if i\'ll ever use win* on my own computer(s) again!! had enough of that era!!! *shudders*
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I have used many OSs and different linux distros
Suse Live Eval, Suse Personal 9.2, Mandake Dolphin, Mandrake five star, Mandrake move, Red Hat Fedora Core, Woody Debian and Gentoo...
I have used all the Windows Distros besides the servers
though this is how it stands in my eyes,
Gentoo is the best Linux distro as you said. All you have to do
is write emerge kde, or emerge gnome and it\'s away
you can install wine x on it and run many games at the same
speed as windows with sound too!
I like Windows because it has alot of programs develpoed
for it and I am used to many of them such as photoshop and
flash. It has alot more support for games then linux does and
in some cases can run can run faster then linux
(when not infected with spyware) It is not immune to many
stupid worms and viruses. It is very easly exploited, it would
not be more secure then linux as a web server
So in different aspect they are both great
If you put windows\'s Multimedia and Linux\'s code andShell
support together, you would have one damn mighty fine
OS... well thats all I have to say
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you know i really cant understand why most unix users bitch about not having acess to os x on an x86 processer when darwin is totally hackable if you have an os x install disc - got my gf\'s pentium 2, 266mhz running darwin kernel os x 10.1 interface smooth as - and its only got 128mb ram!!
Also I think I need to do some digging on this risc os - I presume it\'s design for scalable risc architecture or x11? Im guessing with a firmware hack or two i could whack it on a separate partion on my ibookg4? (sorry to drunk to remember who posted bout it - but props to you anyway, and hi moogs, not spoke to you in a while - spoke to xylonias lately? not seen her in ages).
*chunter chunter chunter*
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this messgae board got expletive censorship or what? coulda sworn i typed b i t c h (minus the spaces..... hmmm someone else try....hmm wonder what other words come out as..................................
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It does. Don\'t try to get around it.
Windows 98. Stable, cheap because I own a few copies, and compatible with virtually everything.
~Monketh
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Also I think I need to do some digging on this risc os - I presume it\'s design for scalable risc architecture or x11? Im guessing with a firmware hack or two i could whack it on a separate partion on my ibookg4?
It runs on ARM chips so no X11. Well it is possible to get RISC OS working on your ibook however I\'ll run you through a few things you need to know.
1)RISC OS is normally supplied on rom. Although software versions are available for people who wish to run it on windows.
2)Running RISC OS from rom onto your laptop is all but impossible because there is no rom level support for Motorola chips in RISC OS.
Ok now since you can\'t use the rom route your going to have to emulate, there are two was to do this the legal way and the illegal way (please note I do not condone illegal activities blah, blah, blah ;)).
The Legal Way: Talk to the people at Virtual Acorn (http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk) and ask them about using a PC emulator on MacOS to run their software (so they will hopefully give you some extra dispensation for returns).
The Illegal Way: Get a copy of Red Squirrel (don\'t know the website address) and then find a RISC OS rom image and then emulate Red Squirrel (apparently a Mac version will be released at some stage though). This route costs less (nothing?) but you will get an older version of RISC OS and it is obviously (as you can see above) illegal.
-Zorium
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Windows XP after I have fortified it and modded the heck out of it with Window Blinds / Desktop X / Any other program that makes your desktop non-distigushable from a Mac or Linux system.
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Originally posted by hook
yea, sorry for the sarcasm ...but i had a worse time installing winXP (needed win<95, which needed dos - dos foo\'d up the partition alignment, installed win95, ran winxp installer from it ...blablabla ...and, no, i\'m not an idiot! i did try everything else that\'s more sensible!!) than installing any Linux distro lately. ...or maybe, i\'m just used to using \"non-user-friendly\" software...
to each his own...
and i\'ll be damned if i\'ll ever use win* on my own computer(s) again!! had enough of that era!!! *shudders*
Looks like we havent got the same luck...
apt-get ? I tried it with a weird release of Knoppix (installed on hard drive,not on CD), and it kept telling me the needed packages were not available.
emerge ? does exactly as if everything was fine is this perfect world and when I want to launch the application... nothing happens... The problems might be simple but I am just too lazy to look for it
And for Win XP, you are really unlucky ! It took me 30mins to install it, I nearly only pressed Enter at the begining and went to the nearest bar to wait (no !! I\'m no alcoholic !!)
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emerge works fine for me ;) Must be you.
And windows takes more effort to update than gentoo :) A simple \"emerge -u -D world\" and every bit of software on your system is updated as needed. :) Compared to windows where you have to update your OS, your drivers, and programs individually :/
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Originally posted by Xordan
emerge works fine for me ;) Must be you.
And windows takes more effort to update than gentoo :) A simple \"emerge -u -D world\" and every bit of software on your system is updated as needed. :) Compared to windows where you have to update your OS, your drivers, and programs individually :/
yup, i second to that
and you have to remember that we (i guess Xordan and others too, not just me) used to be win* users before we switched ;)
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Hook, why did it need 95? You can install XP on a completely formatted PC with nothing on it, I don\'t understand why you had this problem. I would have thought at least 98 if anything.
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Originally posted by Slatz
I prefer Richard Stallmans usage of the words \'free software\' over the newer \'open source\'.. but thats another subject..
There is a big difference between Free Software and OpenSource Software. The first means that you are free to do as you like (so it\'s at least GPL, which has some very reasonable restrictions), while the latter simply means that the source code can be looked at, but you may not even be allowed to change a single typo in it.
Originally posted by Slatz
And i think just because windows exists, it has become the most popular target for viruses/hacks/etc... think about it, whens the last time you heard about a virus hitting a unix server? usually its just a macro or something designed to infect your \'address book\' and send copies of itself via messages through Outlook to everyone.. and do the same on their computer...
This is because Windoze is the most commonly used system, and also most often used by ppl. who don\'t have a clue, and therefore totally unsecured (as is M$ default). If Linux were, the viruses would hit Linux. It\'s always who has the greatest installed base, because it\'s more effective to hit it. Also, as Linux becomes more popular and as virus / trojan / worm writers move from the \"for fun / sports\" aspect towards the \"for money\" aspect, we\'re going to see Linux becoming increasingly targeted in the future.
Originally posted by Slatz
Anywho.. im going with Stallmans idea of getting rid of all proprietary software, but not to the extreme as he has.. not yet anyway, i just cant afford to get rid of some things yet.. give it several months, then we\'ll see..
I\'d love to, but sadly games tend not to be FOSS. Everything else I\'ve switched already.
@ Adeli: you should start with a distro that installs easily and then use it to get a feel for Linux. Buying a packaged version is a good idea as you usually get a manual along with it, which will be of great value for learning and setting it up. Even with the manual, the packaged distros are way cheaper than Windoze, so it\'s still a great deal IMO. Afterwards, you can try other distros and see what you prefer (as IMO it\'s really just a matter of preference and what you need.). I started with SuSE, then moved to RedHat before switching to Debian two years ago.
@ Hooks experience: that\'s what you get for using the \"upgrade\" versions! :P
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Seytra, myth#1:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/security/security_report_windows_vs_linux/
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Originally posted by Adeli
Hook, why did it need 95? You can install XP on a completely formatted PC with nothing on it, I don\'t understand why you had this problem. I would have thought at least 98 if anything.
Heeeeey, I\'ve noooo ideaaa!!
But I know it didn\'t want to boot from the CD, so I had to do all sorts of crap ...maybe i even had to install 98 over/alongside 95 ...no idea - it wasn\'t fun. And I *did* try the most (and less) obvious things to avoid that massacre of installation.
Anyhoo, I\'m past that ...I didn\'t want to start a flame war - it\'s just that I *really* do find installing (apt-get and portage based) Linux (distributions) a lot easier - especially when it comes to dependancies ;)
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Seytra answered my question.
You got an upgrade version, not a stand alone.
Did you know you had done that?
I won\'t argue about Linux, as I don\'t have it yet.
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Originally posted by lynx_lupo
Seytra, myth#1:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/security/security_report_windows_vs_linux/
I stand corrected, thanks for pointing that out to me. One more reason to use Linux.
from above report
The bottom line is that quality, not quantity, is the determining factor when evaluating the number of successful attacks against software.
*hugs Linux*
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I love MenuetOS(MeOS) it is the best of them all!
Completly customizable and is smaller(7??somthing Kb) and faster than any out there.
MenuetOS (http://www.menuetos.org)
-legion050
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I love MenuetOS(MeOS) it is the best of them all!
Completly customizable and is smaller(7??somthing Kb) and faster than any out there.
From what I can see this runs on top of another OS and hence keeps the size down. Or else someone is a really good old school programmer and I congratulate them for being like that.
-Zorium
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You\'ll have to congratulate them, then, because I just downloaded and ran it: it is standalone.
Edit: In light of this, one should also have a look at Unununium.
http://unununium.org/
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Originally posted by legion050
I love MenuetOS(MeOS) it is the best of them all!
Completly customizable and is smaller(7??somthing Kb) and faster than any out there.
MenuetOS (http://www.menuetos.org)
-legion050
Someone wrote an entire OS in assembly?!? Bleh.. that must have been quite the job. Definately can understand why it would be fast though.
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You\'ll have to congratulate them, then, because I just downloaded and ran it: it is standalone.
I\'ll send them an email when I get around to it (probably never though). Nice bit of work by those guys though its got a gui and everything (whoever is running it is it actually any good?), unfortunately it wont be compatably with many programs.
-Zorium
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A good os = compatibilty. Because if it won\'t be compatible with most of the \"must have\" software, you\'ll end up watching the monitor, saying all day \"Oh I love this os\". Though, you\'ll do that all day ... staring at it :D
Anyway, they did a nice job.
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No, compatibility is not an important factor to measure OS quality. If it were, then neither Linux nor BSD nor MacOS would be good OSes. The criteria are:
- security
- stability
- functionality
- usability
If anything, one might use \"POSIX compliance\" as quality measure, but there are things that can be better without being POSIX compatible.
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No, compatibility is not an important factor to measure OS quality. If it were, then neither Linux nor BSD nor MacOS would be good OSes. The criteria are:
- security
- stability
- functionality
- usability
Agreed but no one is going to buy an OS that doesn\'t have any programs available for it (except maybe a programmer with an unlimited supply of coffee).
-Zorium
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Indeed, it is a factor of merchantibility. However, AFAICS, MenuetOS already has a webserver, so it might be used to implement really tiny webservers, which would be important for the embedded market as web administration becomes increasingly important. Soon you\'ll use your microwave oven using a web interface *shudder*. I wasn\'t able to actually test the web server, though, because it didn\'t detect my network card, but probably it currently only features static content.
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Fedora Core 3 (linux)
Fedora Core 2 (linux)
Fedora Core 1 (linux)
RedHat 9 (linux)
Redhat 7.2 (linux)
Knoppix (Debian variant live boot Linux CD) (linux)
PHLACK (Morphix variant) (Morphix is a Knoppix Vairant) (linux)
Slackware (linux)
MAC OS X (Panther)
Window NT 4.0
Windows 98 SE (Most Stable Win 9x ever!)
Windows 2000
Windows XP
This is my list..I have used them all and they are in order from my favorite to least favorite. As you can see Linux owns that list.
Also I noticed a great many people in this list would like to learn Linux...I would suggest downloading a copy of Knoppix
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html
This distribution of Linux only requires one CD and no intallation! That\'s right, burn a copy of this little baby, insert it into your CD drive, reboot your computer (make sure you can boot to CD-roms) and BOOM! You are now running Linux!
Note: Installing software for this disto can be a bit of an issue, I suggest once you have gotten the hang of things, try a Fedora Core. So far it has done me no wrongs, and I love every minute using it (btw that is always as I DO NOT run ANY Micro$oft Products at home).
Nice thread....I like being given the chance to convert Windows People!
Now announcing the new Micro$sucks WinBlows 3000! Only from Micro$loth!
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1. Slackware Linux
2. Mac OS X
3. Windows XP
4. Windows 98
God, I hate Windows. I hate having to use it X(
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Win95 for me
too bad i have xp :P
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i personally love Linux:
1.Gentoo Linux
2.Windows Xp <--cause I was rasied on it
3.MS-DOS <--I can remember all the fun i using that back in the day :)
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I hate windows because of the memory problem and the lacks of security and the fact everything even the very littlest program is going to be sold and the fact Microsoft hide everything. People who just used Windows think they are master, often the best (and so one)... and when there is a real crash they have to format their disk (as everyone do)...
The day I start to use Linux (a mandrake release) I was lost... strangely when I had to copy a cd I was able to choose something like fifty maybe 100 different options... I wasn\'t aware this kind of options existed before... but the windows programs never spoke about that... Today there are a lot of program which help you to use a linux release without knowing anything... and the automatically programs arrived on linux and the \"windows movement\" (the one which allow people to use a computer without being able to use a computer) arrived on linux Mandrake (which stay a very good release of Linux I admit). So I use Debian Linux...
I\'m not a professional. I dont know a lot of things in computer. So something don\'t work very well on my linux debian and I can\'t install games like planeshift Cube or vegastrike (snif...) but I everytime learn to do something or some computer language. And programming on linux even in C/C++ is easier on linux platform... no comparaison !
My favorite one is
Debian
then Fedora Core and Mandrake Linux
and finally a microsoft one (tadatadatadatada...)
MSDOS (the more stable...)
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DOS
rocks
sox
windows XP
and i am master...format?.... ive never formated a windows machine... not in like 5 years of using them
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win xp
because it is easy to support and deterimine when things are s.e.p. at least from my company\'s angle.
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SuSE Linux
I switched from windows to SuSE Linux 8.1 a year and a half ago and have not looked back. Have upgraded to SuSE Pro 9.2 in the meantime. It\'s extremely stable and I can do just about everything I want to do on it (playing windows games being the only thing I can\'t do).
I have to admit tho, that I have managed to crash my system 8 times since I\'ve had it. Incidentally, those 8 times I was trying to run a windows program via wine.....
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1.) Suse 8.2 (started with mandrake 5 or 6 and then switched to suse)
2.) Win2k
for gamin purpose i use my win2k+sp2 and all updates, cos wine makes many probs with my games! have a debian distri too but it doesnt likes my gfxcard! have tried to update the x11 system and the ati drivers but i didnt run with a GUI! And without ICEWM, without ME!
Linux for work and windows to play!
P.S. for the linux newbies! NEVER install Windows after installing Linux! The other way is ok! cos Windows will overwrite the MBR and you cant boot your linux anymore(and to configure a bootman. under linux affords a lot of time! believe me! :D)! Use the Linux Bootmanagers for multiboot systems
P.S.S. I have seen a shot in the web from a linuxbox that is running Photoshop!!!
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I\'ll have to go with Windows XP.
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My favourite OS seems to have case of schizophrenia...
On one had it has to run planeshift well, on the other it has to be open, free and fair.
So far the medics didn\'t find a way to recombine these two personas back into one (they used to be one during the Molecular Aeon).
The latest experimental medicine I intend to try is cedega, which would be kinda funny - a game developed on linux, releases windows binaries that are being run [under cedega] back on linux. hilarious twist of fate, eh? (pun intended)
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Debian, I can\'t live without apt. :p
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I love apt as well. I first became attached to it using Yoper Linux, not debian, but I have moved onto an os called Ubuntu which is based on debian unstable. - it is great.
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An OS based on Sid (aka. unstable)? Are you sure it\'s not based off Sarge (aka. testing)?
Unstable is good, if you don\'t mind a few things being broken and doing some stuff yourself, testing is good if you want a system that works for most things and is reasonably up to date, and stable is for people who want everything to work, and don\'t mind a few old packages.
EDIT: Nevermind, I just read up on it, it seems like a more desktop-oriented/user-friendly distro than Debian, with regular releases that spring from a snapshot of Sid. Looks neat, maybe I\'ll install it some day. :p
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Just to add my views for a second time:
GENTOO w0000t!!!!
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for the first and last time, why dont you just install Debian, right from the source, no clones? Sarge works great and a lot of the packages are quite up-to-date ... working a lot better than ubuntu and its \"security\" features... HAH!
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I think I posted on this thread before, but here is an updated list: (from best to worst)
redhat 9
Mac osx
fedora core 2 (had some sound problems, other than that, nice distro)
lfs (pain in the butt, but nice when finished! )
gentoo (base install was 2004.2, but it updates to current.)
fedora core 3
fedora core 1
Suse Linux (That\'s soo-za, not soose! :D )
mac os (9 and lower)
sky os (a nice linux based alternative os)
ubuntu (warty warthog)
debian sarge
debian woody
Mandrake Linux
vidalinux (nice when the installer worked :P )
(insert other linux\'s here)
ms-dos 6.22 (oldskool! )
windows 2000 pro
windows 95
windows xp pro sp2 (fully updated, otherwise is a piece of s***)
windows 98 and 98se
Note: These are installed distros, I don\'t want to take up 2 pages with the live cds I like :) )
Edit: Oops! I forgot to put suse and mandrake on the list!
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Windows 2000 or 2000 kernel based
RedHat Linux
Windows 3.11
MacOS 7.5 or X
Windows 2003 server enterprise edition
Mandrake Linux
Probably Gentoo should be in the list also, when i get it set up correctly, just having some problems atm :P
oh annah, the 2k3 server aint an improved version of 2k server, cause the kernell is completely different and rewritten, so i have to disagree with you on that.
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Problems with Debian:
Install fails on machines for no apparant reason. Then works spontainiously on the 140th try. I tried downloading a new ISO, checking MD5 SUMS, and burning new CD\'s. But then for some reason it started working and the install went ok.
First Load: No X. Greeted with a console login. Startx fails. Worse still, the ethernet card wasn\'t setup correctly and I couldn\'t connect to an apt server to try updates or anything. Eventually, I downloaded a new XFree86 Package, and burned it onto a CD and installed it. Then it worked. Finally, I was in. GDM looked nice, but a rude surprise was waiting. No Gnome in the sessions list. WHAT? GDM was there... odd. Reinstalled from another downloaded set of packages. Added it to the rc file manually. Bingo - I\'m in. Kernel panic on restart. Hmm.... Start over... Big mess, didn\'t bother trying to fix it all, and installed SuSE.
Similar problems on my other box, but it did have Gnome as a session. Good news. Crashed - I mean full on system freezes, (which almost never happens in linux) - crashed several times. Dumped it for Yoper because it had apt also.
Ubuntu - worked on the first try on both machines. Stable, no crashes yet at all. Only quirk I noticed is that it ships with firefox .9 instead of 1.0, but a quick change to the apt.sources list and an apt-get fixed that. Also. seems more responsive, but that could be from the more up to date kernel.
On a side note, Yoper was great. Fast, clean, easy. Odd thing was that it got slower and slower the more I used it. I have had that problem on other KDE based distro\'s. Any idea why?
PS worked in linux great, on wine at first, then natively.
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Sounds like the PEBCAK to me (Did you try installing with the 2.6 kernel that is supplied with the install CD(s)? That tends to be more cooperative.), I\'ve never had a debian install fail, and I\'ve installed quite a few of them. I have had a lot of problems with more desktop-oriented/user-friendly distros, albeit none as big as I\'ve had when installing windows.
Debian isn\'t amongst the most user-friendly distributions, atleast not for the install, but it has a tendancy of just working, no matter how much crap you do to it. ;)
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Originally posted by Induane
Problems with Debian:
Install fails on machines for no apparant reason.
You fail.
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Origionally posted by: dimaq
You fail.
Perhaps, but I have never had a problem installing any other distro with the exception of linux from scratch. Well, I\'ve had problems, but never one I could\'t solve until my debian install problems. They were just strange, and I\'m not sure the cause. Still, I\'ve been using linux for several years so I have an okay idea about troubleshooting the systems.
Don\'t get me wrong, I like what debian has done with the os, I just resent that I couldn\'t get it to run on my systems. It has so many packages available, which I know, since I setup the Ubuntu apt.sources to use the debian repitories also. There are more there for it than any other I could find, including yoper, which had a nice selection, and SuSE, which was good too, though not very well updated. Apt on SuSE was a clunky add on, which never worked that well, but it did have a nice selection of packages.
Still, I\'m open to help or suggestions on what I could do to resolve the issues I had with debian. Your comment dimaq, with all due respect, wasn\'t helpful, it was just rude.
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Anything But mac and windows
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OS X
I\'ve used Apple computers since I was 5 and still use them. Even so I have used the PC/windows platform for many years, since I wanted to learn programming and the only option I saw on the mac at the time was Code Warrior which was pretty expensive.
OS X suprised me as the programmers dream (this programmer anyways) since everything is as you expect it (unless youre right pff the windows platform in which case you expect everything to be as one would otherwise not expect it to be).
\"No games for mac\" <- myth
\"Mac is st00pid. Fuck all you mac users - youre all n00bs\" <- Bite me
Thankyou
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Debian Linux , all the way :) I never had any probems installing it, or any programs. ran RedHat for a while, though
I keep a copy of winxp in the closet for some LAN parties.
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I love OS X and I miss BeOS (a bit).
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i used a net intstall sarge version, no hitches, just dont use stable, use sarge, stable is just too old or most machines, like i couldnt configure my ethernet card because \"it was being used or busy\" and XFree86 was too old to run my vid card :\\.... only thing i hate about debian is XFree86... wish they\'d switch to X.org ... but any way debian has given me the least problems of any linux distro besides ubuntu, just ubuntu lacked many options i needed...
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Win XP with Knoppix in the cd drive.
I\'m too much of a gamer to drop Windows.
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Originally posted by Clover
Win XP with Knoppix in the cd drive.
I\'m too much of a gamer to drop Windows.
same here still got a 20gig windows XP partition for my games, and just games... everything else is done on linux :)
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Well it depends of usage what OS is a favorite for me;
My first OS was Workbench. Then I got a PC and installed Linux there
(Slackware 3.x AFAIR), I still had Amiga for games. Then computers
started to be very popular, alot of games has been relased for Windows
so I had multiboot - Windows for games and Linux for any other things.
I usually use Linux or FreeBSD to work and I can say these are my favourites
Regards.