PlaneShift
Fan Area => Fan Art => Topic started by: dannythompson on November 11, 2004, 06:19:14 am
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Well I\'ve puddled around with the idea of a noble steed for upper classmen and have come up with this.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/xphaser99x/Ceatace.jpg)
The Ceatac\'e is a flightless bird, although tenacious has been subdued with technology. When a ceatac\'e is captured, it\'s scalp is removed and a brace is mounted above the brain. 3 Thin needles press on the brain\'s pressure points giving speed and direction to the bird on command. The brain although spaning 3 feet in width and 4 in length is still very small only averaging a thin layer of 3 or 4 centimeters. These birds are prized for speed and are often raced, but are very suseptable to theives. There are many horrible tales of a noble being pirated on the lonely roads through the forest by thieves, who shoot an arrow directly into the open brain causing the animal to either A: stop and die or B: Race foward full speed untill crashing into a tree and breaking it\'s own neck. Still, it\'s superb speed is reveared through out the land and the beasts are still a steed of choice.
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No offense, but that technology doesn\'t even work correctly now, and I doubt they had it in the middle ages when planeshift is set. Also, the bird does not seem like something you would see walking around hydlaa or the neighboring countryside, so in my opinion it is a little to far fetched for planeshift. The flightless bird is a cool idea though, but maybe a bit toned down , and smaller. Also, not controlled by technology, but by verbal commands and a harnsess and spur type things, or something that went under the wings to make it turn by pulling on them. Also, try more natural colors, unless that is a saddle thing or blanket.
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The thing on the back is a blanket, and I can\'t see how it is far fetched. Last time I checked this was a Fantasy MMORPG. Also, how do you know it doesn\'t work? Have you ever poked a ceatac\'e brain with needles before?
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It has a control stick for crying out loud, Whemy... seriously, electronical brain manipulation technology was NOT around in medieval times. Plus it doesn\'t really look like something a noble would want to ride... afaik, the rich and famous wanted to be seen riding a beautiful, strong, elegant steed... not something with needles stuck in its exposed brain.
Futuristic fantasy, maybe. Medieval fantasy, no way.
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Even if it were this easy to exert control on a brain of any sort (though I personally believe that this crude technology would simply destroy the parts the needles point to), and even if fine-tuned to a degree only possible today, the slightest bump would make the brain jump towards the needles and yield damage and unwanted reactions, there is another problem:
Leaving the brain exposed?!? Seriously, there is a reason why it\'s shielded by the skull... what about
- leaves
- dust
- parasites
- drying of the brain
? You know, brain surgery is done in clean rooms, and I suppose a fly landing on the brain wouldn\'t help, not even thinking about other, more severe things...
While this might be an option for evil guys (assuming the problems mentioned above could be solved) I don\'t think that a practice like this could be generally accepted by nobles at all... If I came accross such a thing, I\'d put it down immediately, and it\'s user along with it. :tdown:
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Gees I can\'t even describe the irony that is taking place. Last time I checked this was a FANTASY setting. Fantasy meaning that anything is possible as long as it adheres to the setting of the given plane of existance. Also this is set in a medival setting sure, but it isn\'t the earth\'s medival setting. Ylakium is set in a completely different universe, a complete different set of rules adhere to this land. I can\'t even beleive i have to explain this to a bunch of people playing a fantasy MMO, it\'s insane.
As far as not being a particularly beautiful animal, I think I went into enough detail describing it as more of a speedy dexterous animal than one of beauty or nobility. Yes nobles ride it, but not to strut around in. I hardly doubt they mind being seen on an animal so ugly when its going at speeds over 70 or 80 mph.
Honestly the only critizism I can take seriously here is the fact the brain would dry up. Thats a good point. The only one I can see here. Thats a problem. I\'ll add a windbreaker, or perhaps just encase the brain in a snowglobe type thingy. But I mean when that\'s the only critizism in this whole thread, when a moderator has posted no doubt, there is something wrong. Keep an open mind here people, the rules of planeshift aren\'t set in stone. Last time I checked planeshift was still under developement.
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Originally posted by dannythompson
Gees I can\'t even describe the irony that is taking place. Last time I checked this was a FANTASY setting. Fantasy meaning that anything is possible as long as it adheres to the setting of the given plane of existance. Also this is set in a medival setting sure, but it isn\'t the earth\'s medival setting. Ylakium is set in a completely different universe, a complete different set of rules adhere to this land. I can\'t even beleive i have to explain this to a bunch of people playing a fantasy MMO, it\'s insane.
While it is a fantasy setting, this doesn\'t mean that each and every basic rule of the world will be different. It also doesn\'t mean that you can simply put things in that wouldn\'t fit IRL without any sort of half-decent explanation of why it is that way. The basic rules of the world are part of the setting. Therefore, your additions that force changes to basic world rules will inevitably have effect on other things as well, and the implications of what you\'re proposing are enormous. In fact, it means that you can, by the most simple and crude technical means, create an army of zombies, and that\'s only one part of it. The other part is that obviously the bird will not feel pain, or that for some reason the wound will not try to heal. Also, it means that there is a general acceptance for such a thing, which means that \"good\" doesn\'t have a prominent role in Yliakum.
Furthermore, if you actually mean to say that the technology is capable of creating needles that are precise enough, you\'d be in for all of todays microtechnology in Yliakum, which would get rid of the medieval feel entirely. You might get away with saying that the brain is in fact way more crude in Yliakum than it is IRL, though.
Originally posted by dannythompson
Honestly the only critizism I can take seriously here is the fact the brain would dry up. Thats a good point. The only one I can see here.
So you\'re saying that dirt and parasites and damaging objects are not a problem? I couldn\'t disagree more.
Originally posted by dannythompson
Thats a problem. I\'ll add a windbreaker, or perhaps just encase the brain in a snowglobe type thingy. But I mean when that\'s the only critizism in this whole thread,
While you\'d get rid of all but the parasites when using the snowglobe (and maybe even these if you manage to work clean enough), you\'d not get rid of the morale aspect.
Also, it doesn\'t get rid of the bumping problem. Do you think the brain is affixed to the walls of the skull? AFAIK, it is floating inside the water in the skull, thus your needles will poke it to death at the slightest motion.
Originally posted by dannythompson
when a moderator has posted no doubt,
Moogie actually is a mod, and AFAICS has posted doubts.
Originally posted by dannythompson
there is something wrong. Keep an open mind here people, the rules of planeshift aren\'t set in stone. Last time I checked planeshift was still under developement.
Last time I checked, I disliked ppl. who, upon being criticised, insulted everyone by implying that everyone except themselves was closed-minded. Let me check again... yes, it\'s still that way. :tdown:
Edit: well, unless your definition of \"open mindedness\" is what you intend to do to this bird...
To be honest, I dislike your idea as well, but I still think that the points I raised are very valid and objective despite of this.
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A \"Fantasy Medieval\" setting does not mean \"everything goes\". Looking at existing settings details and the world of Yliakum in MB and CB, it is obvious by the lack of robotic implants, mind-control technology, shiny steel bars with screws and industrial bolts fixed on, that this kind of technology simply isn\'t feasable for the PS world.
You should stop yelling at us that we\'re wrong. The critisism here is all entirely valid and fair- you just need to accept it. PS isn\'t \"everybody\'s world\"... it\'s Talad\'s world. If you really can\'t be convinced by these comments, you should ask him personally.
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When I first saw that I thought it was some kind of joke (not that I can do better).
How about somthing with four leg, fur on its head, and a fuzzy tail? I even thought of a name for it: Horse. :)
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Sadly (for me) I agree with Danny here... Not on all points, but his general argument.
This is a fantasy game, realism has no place...(I know you are groaning about now... but bear with me)
I am from Australia, and can\'t vouch for the rest of the world... but there are no Krans in my street, no Elves frolicking in the park, no Enkidukai running around up to no good (or mastering martial arts), no Diaboli with dark skin causing havoc, no Dwarves getting drunk down at the local tavern (little people perhaps), no Klyros winging their way around the skies, and last but not least, no green skinned Lemurs doing err stuff... anywhere!
How can all of this be incorporated, if it needs an aura of realism? This is hypocrisy of the highest degree in my eyes. But that\'s just my opinion.
Okay, on to Danny\'s creature. To be blunt I don\'t like it. It\'s ugly, but then, so are many things in life, so why not.
To correct Moogie (please forgive me) This is not electrical manipulation of the brain, but manual stimulation, which is possible, and has been for many, many years. This is not far fetched futuristic nonsense, but has been around for hundreds of years... the only problem is the patients dieing from disease, or lack of anaesthesia, or blood loss.
It is possible though, cauterisation stops blood flow (painful indeed, and dangerous), as for anaesthesia, magic would work fine. Disease could be a problem but once more, magic works fine (Finally, I can explain something away with magic!).
Shielding the brain is a good idea. It would indeed prevent exposure in most cases.
In my opinion Seytra, Danny explained why they would this adequately. These beasts, ugly as they may be, are for speed. For grandeur and pomp they would ride a more elegant and graceful steed, but if they were in a hurry, no other beast would suffice. He also explained the brain manipulation rather well, he had a few holes... Which I have plugged.
So, based on my rather lengthy addition to this thread... Why not? The only feasible reason I can think of \"Because the devs don\'t want it\" which is fair enough, but a poor excuse. Please, give your opinions a reason. I admitted I don\'t like the creature.
- Tyralus Shadowdancer, self-proclaimed genius.
Edit: Danny, remove the control stick... a proper joystick is silly, let them maniuplate the pins themself.
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the wings look bad, but I like it overall.
You know *whispers* to please all these mods, simply change all the metal technology with the wooden, so the remote control looks like 2 long wooden levers :)
now that will look plenty medieval.
But seriously, this is good idea... A huge bird, controlled by the brain, I can just imagine riding one of those (or they could be like a taxi) where you are sitting near their huge open skull :D and all the smell and the bugs, very medieval. maybe once in a while u see some sparks or something
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Originally posted by Adeli
This is a fantasy game, realism has no place...(I know you are groaning about now... but bear with me)
I am from Australia, and can\'t vouch for the rest of the world... but there are no Krans in my street, no Elves frolicking in the park, no Enkidukai running around up to no good (or mastering martial arts), no Diaboli with dark skin causing havoc, no Dwarves getting drunk down at the local tavern (little people perhaps), no Klyros winging their way around the skies, and last but not least, no green skinned Lemurs doing err stuff... anywhere!
How can all of this be incorporated, if it needs an aura of realism? This is hypocrisy of the highest degree in my eyes. But that\'s just my opinion.
It is far from hypocrisy, because these are entirely different things IMO. First we have the races. These are possible IRL, the only thing that\'d need to change is the path evolution has taken, which I consider highly random. Granted, there indeed are some things that would probably not work as well IRL as they are made to in PS (Klyros flight, underwater + air breathing), but still. Nobody has complained about the bird other than stating that it\'s ugly, which it is, but there are other animals that I consider ugly IRL.
Originally posted by Adeli
To correct Moogie (please forgive me) This is not electrical manipulation of the brain, but manual stimulation, which is possible, and has been for many, many years. This is not far fetched futuristic nonsense, but has been around for hundreds of years... the only problem is the patients dieing from disease, or lack of anaesthesia, or blood loss.
OTOH, the brain manipulation seemed very far-fetched to me. If you say that this sort of thing is possible and not even difficult, then I will need some proof, since I have never heard of some thing like this. The only form of brain manipulation I\'ve heard of is electrical stimulation. I\'d never have thought that pressure will do anything controllable except deal damage.
This would then have been something that would completely alter one basic rule of the world, which is just like adding magic. But while magic is 1) traditional medieval fantasy and 2) already planned in by the devs, this thing is neither, so there is a big difference.
If it indeed is possible IRL, it wouldn\'t alter such a rule, and thereby remove one central problem that I have with this idea. I will, however, not accept it without proof.
Originally posted by Adeli
It is possible though, cauterisation stops blood flow (painful indeed, and dangerous), as for anaesthesia, magic would work fine. Disease could be a problem but once more, magic works fine (Finally, I can explain something away with magic!).
Shielding the brain is a good idea. It would indeed prevent exposure in most cases.
I\'d say shielding is an absolute must. And yes, magic might do the trick here, though this would make this thing highly expensive and rare (IMO luckily).
Originally posted by Adeli
In my opinion Seytra, Danny explained why they would this adequately. These beasts, ugly as they may be, are for speed. For grandeur and pomp they would ride a more elegant and graceful steed, but if they were in a hurry, no other beast would suffice. He also explained the brain manipulation rather well, he had a few holes... Which I have plugged.
I didn\'t argue on the beauty point, but on the moralistic one. Indeed ppl. are \"liking\" things despite them being totally ugly (IMO, of course, but I think that this is just pretense anyway, in order to seem special). However, this sort of brute manipulation is just immoral. OK, you might argue that \"training\" is the same thing, but IMO it\'s not, because this bird would simply be treated like a machine. Unless, of course, you \"train\" by punishing. So anyway, this is something that prominently shows a total disregard towards nature and life in general and therefore IMO is evil, making this something that only evil ppl. would want to show off and admire.
So if this would indeed be popular in Hydlaa, this would therefore make al of Yliakum evil, which would be sad, and also seems to contradict the spirit of the setting (though this is just an impression, derived mostly from the Statement that Klyros are not an evil race despite their looks, which means that evil isn\'t nearly as popular as in a drow society, for example).
The speed argument I did also not even touch.
I had the impression that dannythompson did not explain this properly, especially did he not even try to prove that this actually is possible IRL, which led me to assume that this was indeed just far-fetched nonsense.
Originally posted by Adeli
So, based on my rather lengthy addition to this thread... Why not? The only feasible reason I can think of \"Because the devs don\'t want it\" which is fair enough, but a poor excuse. Please, give your opinions a reason. I admitted I don\'t like the creature.
Right, I believe that I have always given reason to my opinions, not just in this post, but anyway.
I also have stated that I don\'t like this idea, but if somebody can actually give some links to prove that this \"pressure point\" thing actually works and is easy to use, then the only things that keep standing will indeed be
- the morale point
- the fact that you need extremely fine-tuned and sensible mechanics to transform the pressure of the hands into the tiny movements of the needles. I don\'t think that this would be feasible, considering that all the mechanical clocks that were being made way after medieval times AFAIK, but this is something that might be one of the few advances that actually make Yliakum stand out compared to our medieval. As I always say, the-religion-that-shall-not-be-named has stifled almost all research during our medieval times, a burden that Yliakum is free of. Therefore, I indeed think sciences might be more advanced, though somehow I don\'t think that manufacturing should be part of this, as this would greatly alter the feel.
Anyway, if you manage to provide scientific proof that this pressure method works as described and is highly usable as described, I will admit defeat, despite my antipathy towards both this idea and the way in which dannythompson participates in discussions. I will not support it\'s inclusion in PS, but I will also not stand in it\'s way any longer.
However, I will not give up the morale point, and since I\'ll play a good char, I will put every instance of this down on sight, (along with the user and the creator(s), as long as by any means possible - PvP here I come! Finally a good use for PvP.).
Just for future reference: I absolutely and deeply hate the \"this is fantasy\" argument, because it completely fails to adress any point. The most important thing IMNSHO is consistency, which means that the effects of each and every change to RL world rules must be thought through and applied. This means that any idea could possibly completely alter the setting simply because it\'s introduction would require alteration of a rule tat makes more / less things possible than IRL. This is not desired! If it were, the setting would already include it, but it doesn\'t. I like this setting and don\'t want it altered, but most importantly, the devs want it this way.
Do you know the PnP RPG \"Deadlands\"? This is something that this idea would fit well, but I hate the whole setting so obviously I don\'t want PS to even get close to it.
My point is that, unless you\'re in the process of designing a world, you simply can\'t add anything and everything, because the \"fantasy\" part is not even half of the defining properties anymore. In fact, once the world has been designed, the entire world construct becomes unchangeable rules, to which every addition needs to adhere, not the other way. Therefore, if an addition would require a basic change that would result in a different setting (if applied universally, which IMO is a must), this addition must not be added. This is paramount.
So for every property that is not deliberately altered (like magic), the only way is to assume RL defaults (which is why realism indeed has a prominent place in fantasy). Therefore, if you can prove that what you want added is already possible IRL but simply hasn\'t been used, or that it\'s feasibility is a logical consequence of the altered world rules (like the magic explanation, though don\'t overuse it, because otherwise we\'d have magical supercomputers in PS, Babbage\'s \"Analythical Engine\" comes to mind), it\'s OK with me (unless some other factor comes into it, like the moralistic one, which also is a property of the world and thus a law).
It is my impression that what I have posted was reasonably precise and clear and removes any impression of hypocrisy.
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*Looks at the length of Seytra\'s post.
*Skips Seytra\'s post.
Hey guys, I think all of this could be solved by asking 1 simple question. Does it fit the setting? In this case it needs a bit of work to fit the setting. As far as exposed brains, metal controls, and electricity are concerned, I don\'t think anyone had quite the technology or know-how to do anything like that in the setting of Yliakum. The rest of the animal is nice, just needs some polishing (for instance, I think standard reigns would work wonders here).
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You really should read Seytra\'s post... I agree with everything he just said.
And to add a point, Animal Trainers will probably have very few creatures to tame. Adding this as a mount and excusing away its trainability is kinda selfish. Who says it could never be trained, anyway? And if its so hard, why not just settle for a more gentle beast, rather than saw off the top of its head and poke it with metal?
And another thing bothers me... it has a 3x4 foot long brain, only 3 or 4 centimeters thick?? Any reason why it\'s suitably large cranium seems completely unfilled? How would it\'s eyes reach all the way up and attatch to the paper thin brain spread out like a paste on top of its head? If I\'ve misunderstood the dimensions, please tell me... this just seems weird.
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Originally posted by Moogie
And another thing bothers me... it has a 3x4 foot long brain, only 3 or 4 centimeters thick?? Any reason why it\'s suitably large cranium seems completely unfilled? How would it\'s eyes reach all the way up and attatch to the paper thin brain spread out like a paste on top of its head? If I\'ve misunderstood the dimensions, please tell me... this just seems weird.
We\'ll, Planeshift is a phantasy.
Science just cant explane Phantasy *sci fi yes, phantasy no* just like for example
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THAT dragon can\'t fly ! its wings are way to small to support its massive frame ! and what fire breathing crap non-sense are you talking about it cant \"breath fire\" it has to be chemcial fire form acids in its stomach like a built in bag of naplam. besides its skull is to big for that neck it just can\'t support the weight !!! .........
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sometimes thinking extra means, i dunno .... iam lost on this trying to sound smart part any help ?
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You really should read Seytra\'s post... I agree with everything he just said.
Yeah, you\'re right. I just read it and also agreed (why are women always right?). Especially with the \"I absolutely and deeply hate the \"this is fantasy\" argument, because it completely fails to adress any point.\" I couldn\'t agree more. I\'ll at least try to skim posts that are so long I don\'t want to read them from now on.
As far as \"The only form of brain manipulation I\'ve heard of is electrical stimulation\" goes, I think that you are correct. The brain works by sending electrical impulses, and poking it would only sever signals. Even if poking it did work, brains have areas that do different things, so all the needles for movement would be in the same small area (not one up front, and 2 on the sides). Now if you were poking at nerves, I think it would be a different story, but the brain itself is pretty out there. OT: I read something about some scientists who sent small amounts of electrical current through people\'s temples. It increased their short term memory capacity by 30% or something. I thought it was pretty interesting.
We\'ll, Planeshift is a phantasy.
Science just cant explane Phantasy *sci fi yes, phantasy no*
Uhh, are you and I watching the same sci fi movies? All I know is that I haven\'t seen a single sci fi movie that could be explained by science. As for the fantasy part, I think we\'ve already been over this. And if you\'re wanting to sound more intelligent, grab a spell/grammar checker for starters. Then once you\'ve got that mastered, maybe move to a thesaurus. Edit: Did that sound rude? It wasn\'t meant to.
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We are the Borg...er...Ceatac\'e. Resistance is futile.
Translation-> Lose the probes.
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It somehow reminds me of a Chocoboo of Final Fantasy.
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It\'s a bit too colorful. And that device should be a bit more decent, but else it\'s a good idea. Maybe you should steer it in a magical way [Maybe trough Glyphes?!], which would be more fitting in PS, but the technical stuff also sounds interresting
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Due to popular critizism, I have constructed a new Ceatac\'e. This one has a larger brain. The speeds of over 300 MPH demand a large brain for the computations made concerning the brain and objects in it\'s path. The Ceatac\'e in the wild is very hostile, being able to capture it demands a very high level mage with a charm technique. After capture the scalp is removed (again :D) and an enchanted glass globe is fitted around the brain. A glyph sits atop the globe feeding magical influence to the brain making it less hostile and more in the control of the jockey. The Jockey controls the Ceatac\'e through vocal commands and hand movement on the glyph.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/xphaser99x/newceatace.jpg)
Here is a picture, along with a close up of the brain (showing all the instruments the bird uses for navigation), a close up of the glyph feeding energy to the brain, and a couple of silhouettes showing rider size comparison and proper riding technique.
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Well, done. It\'s much better. It also fits better in PS.
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The new ceatece is not so bad, I rather like the idea of large, ugly, magically controlled birds. ;)
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Okay, first and foremost... I do not want this creature in PS, ever! I do not like it at all.
i was merely stating that it can be implemented without being a drastic change to the setting.
Seytra, I did not intend that comment for you. I have never read so many posts by one person who always gives a reason to his opinions. Added to that is the fact that they are always well thought out and reasoned. I highly enjoy reading your thoughts on a given topic.
However, I do not see the difference with our points, one impossibility is no different to another. A \"race\" in fantasy is the same as an \"alien\" in science fiction. There is no evidence they are real, or will ever be possible. This is not like real life, we have many races, but they are all human. The word \"race\" in PS is inaccurate except for Xacha and Ylian as Humans, and Dermorian and Nolthrir as Elves. Otherwise, they are different species, not races, as they are not breeds of the same species. The Kran are by no means a race, evolution does not apply to them, Talad created them.
I don\'t recall ever saying that it wasn\'t inhumane and cruel. But then, the words Scientist and Doctor were synonomous with butcher until late 18/ early 19C. Ever hear of a frontal labotomy? Lack of ethics fits perfectly with medieval. Leeches anyone?
I play a neutral character, and wouldn\'t care about these creatures either way.
snow_RAven, despite the lack of eloquence, was partially right. Fantasy can not be explained by science, nor can Science Fiction but that is another story.
As for Arcane\'s \'critique\'... the only mispelled word that was obviously not a typo was \'phantasy\' which I assume he knows is meant to have \'F\'. Why does he need a Thesaurus? I see no words he used that would have made his argument better if he used a synonym.
Danny, I still destest this creature... one point... if magical manipluation is at play, why is the expossed brain necessary? Wouldn\'t a magical headbrace serve just as well.
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Originally posted by Adeli
Danny, I still destest this creature... one point... if magical manipluation is at play, why is the expossed brain necessary? Wouldn\'t a magical headbrace serve just as well.
So there is more magical influence and less interference with the cranium, and still having access to the glyph for movements. Also it just gives the Ceatac\'e character :D
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I think your second one is great and fits in much better than the first. It even looks more friendly :)
(Although still not very pretty ;) )
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Wow, I really have to admire the ammount of work you have put in that... thing, I say go for it. If you can model it and texture it it\'s in I mean, what could make Planeshift more uniqe, I agree perhaps a couple changes but yeah I think they could Be an Monster NPC or something running around the desert.
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Well I personally don\'t want a big dodo bird with it\'s brains exposed running around the world but hey if it makes you happy spend your time on it.
Question though did I read right, speeds over 300mph? If that was even possible, which I don\'t see how it could be, how would a rider even be able to hold on o much less handle the elements that they would be exposed to at those speeds? Do you have any clue just how fast that is?
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Yes, the 300 MPH will add additional problems. At this speed, it will, regardless of it\'s brain\'s computation speed, not be able to maneuver around objects, except in a desert environment or in vast plains. Otherwise, it\'ll just have to slow down to less than 30 MPH in almost any area, even if being used on paths, since they aren\'t vast (especially not in medieval times) and there will always be obstacles that are hidden or that \"jump\" onto the \"path\".
Due to the mass associated with their size, they\'ll not be able to break or move around anything, just like a car (imagine driving a racing car through a pedestrian precinct). Therefore, it\'s brain doesn\'t need to be any faster than usual (the body wouldn\'t be able to follow it\'s directions anyway). I don\'t know how fast the fastest animal can go, but I\'d be surprised if it were more than 80 MPH.
Originally posted by Adeli
Seytra, I did not intend that comment for you. I have never read so many posts by one person who always gives a reason to his opinions. Added to that is the fact that they are always well thought out and reasoned. I highly enjoy reading your thoughts on a given topic.
Don\'t say things like that, it makes me blush. (thanks anyway!) :)
However, I\'m really not that special. It is just my opinion that giving reasons to one\'s statements and opinions is a must, since others need to be able to see where one is coming from.
Originally posted by Adeli
However, I do not see the difference with our points, one impossibility is no different to another. A \"race\" in fantasy is the same as an \"alien\" in science fiction. There is no evidence they are real, or will ever be possible. This is not like real life, we have many races, but they are all human.
That isn\'t my point, however. My point was that if you cannot incorporate an impossibility into the finished world (thus making it possible). If you do, you actually alter the world, on a much greater scale than just some additional creature being in it(which would be only a minor change). If you declare something possible (which you do when adding something that would be impossible IRL and with the current game world), this will have effect on everything else in the game world. It\'s like adding magic to RL.
If you are in the process of creating the world, that\'s fine, but if you are merely populating an existing (i.e., already designed world like PS), it\'s not fine, as it would
- inevitably change the world and thus
- require the world-invention process to be redone, at least partially and thus
- makes much of the work that has been done based on the existing concept useless.
Originally posted by Adeli
The word \"race\" in PS is inaccurate except for Xacha and Ylian as Humans, and Dermorian and Nolthrir as Elves. Otherwise, they are different species, not races, as they are not breeds of the same species. The Kran are by no means a race, evolution does not apply to them, Talad created them.
Yes and no. There are some that sound very possible to me because they really have only minor differences to humans (elves and dwarfs), and also the Enkis would be possible if cats would have evolved the way apes did. The Klyros are a bit tricky but they also might be feasible. There is no doubt that the Kran are based on the highly theoretical assumption that silicon might be able to act as replacement for carbon in life.
And yes, it is my impression that the term \"race\" is commonly misused to refer to what in fact are species. This may be due to the problem that most of the time, both are grouped together in one section. This section should IMO be called \"race/species selection\" to be scientifically correct.
Originally posted by Adeli
Lack of ethics fits perfectly with medieval. Leeches anyone?
The application of leeches is lacking ethics? I don\'t know much about it, but I don\'t see a problem?
Originally posted by Adeli
Danny, I still destest this creature... one point... if magical manipluation is at play, why is the expossed brain necessary? Wouldn\'t a magical headbrace serve just as well.
The magic approach seems acceptable. One can explain the requirement for the globe by the fact that this enchantment is supposed to be permanent / long-duration, as opposed to the usual mind control spells (which are short-duration). Therefore, you\'d need very very much magical energy to have these spells las that long, which is why you
- reduce distance to an absolute minimum (i.e., touch)
- remove any obstacles (like skull) and maybe even have the globe itself distribute the magic flow better
thereby reducing the amoutn of magical energy required.
So here we see a good example of one altered property of the world affecting things by making impossible things possible: while I couldn\'t accept the poking controller, I have to accept the magical controller.
So if you can resolve the speed vs. mass problem (no, magic is not the way to go this time :P ), I, as much as I hate to say it, see no problems with this thing being added to PS.
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Hmm, i may have got something wrong here, but as i understood planeshift, and i say, i might be wrong, but anyway.
I got the impresson, that the world under construction now is only one of the Plane\'s in Planeshift, and that settings will change from plane to plane.
if this is right, why couldent such technology exist in a difrent plane?
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Fastest land animal is a Cheetah with top speeds of roughly 70mph, after that it is a Pronghorn Antelope with top speeds of 61mph. So yeah I would say 300mph is a little bit of a jump.
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The australian tiger beetle can reach speeds of over 5 mph (thats faster than most people can run) and its under an inch long. If this beetle was ever grown to the size of the Ceatac\'e it would travel well over 250 mph.
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Originally posted by dannythompson
The australian tiger beetle can reach speeds of over 5 mph (thats faster than most people can run) and its under an inch long. If this beetle was ever grown to the size of the Ceatac\'e it would travel well over 250 mph.
First of all 5mph is alot slower then most people can run. 5mph equates to a 12 minute mile. Current world record for the mile is around 3:43. Also the world record holder for the 100m ran that at approximatley 25mph.
Muscles also do not work completly the way you are thinking. The larger that animal would get would also increase several other factors in the muscle structures and not allow the muscle twitch to work at such a great speed. In speed would not increase proportionatly to the size increase.
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Danny the point you are missing is that the problem is Consistency. The exposed brain, the glass tube, dosen\'t \"match\" the overall theme of the game.
So while the game is a fantasy, you need to think about it this way. Do you think a game would be good if it had zombies, dragons, killer monkies, flying elephants, and talking bugs? The developers have choosen to stick to a theme within the fantasy universe, and in their eyes, your idea is too far fetched.
However, the idea of a large, wingless bird you can ride sounds cool. How about you remove the brain manipulation part, and the glyph part, and just made it a fast animal, that requires alot of taming to control (thus making them expensive, and for the noble class only.) I think the devs would like that alot more.
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That makes sense Talonder. I don\'t like the exposed brain bit at all.
Seytra did give a logical reason for it though.
I am shamed to admit I had never thought of the actual speed proposed.
A bug could crush your skull if you hit it at that speed without protection such as a windscreen.
I\'ve never heard of an Australian Tiger beetle, where are they found? State... I mean obviously it\'s Australian, but north, south?
In a way Danny was right. Boldstorm he said most people, most people are not athletes and world record holders, they are elites. Most people are tending to become fat, lazy slobs. The obesity level is skyrocketing.
So he\'s partially right.
OT: Talonder, I am seriously considering your proposal and I will let you know the moment I decide.