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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: mobyus on November 17, 2004, 08:16:54 pm
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I am starting up the Dissident Elites and need ten people to join.
Got any questions of what we\'ll do?
E-mail me or post in this thread.
My e-mail is jedidude567@earthlink.net
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Originally posted by mobyus
Got any questions of what we\'ll do?
Yup.
What do you do?
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Usually a pretty good idea to post umm something, anything about your guild. Take a look at the rest of the recruiting posts and you will see what I am talking about.
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Here is a serious question and try to answer it well. Why would any person who sends an idea here want to have you in the guild. I guess you want to be the leader and why would anybody want to go under a leader that can\'t come up with anything?..except for a name.
Don\'t get me wrong. I\'m not saying that your idea sucks, more that it\'s...inexistant.
Now to help you out, here\'s my idea (I would join your guild but I\'m in another one ;))
All members were once slaves. One day you killed the slaver and freed everybody. Since that day you decided not to take orders from anyone ever again and even take it to the point where you disagree with everything people say (=Dissident Elites). Now that\'s a great idea to go with a great name!!! :D
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You could make the main goal of your guild to destroy n00b guilds and then disband...
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Actually, (and this is if there will be any government in the game) the Dissident Elites have been working behind the scenes. Murder, theft, kidnapping, torture :it\'s all the same to the DE. They eliminate the governments enemies, anyone who\'s got a hit on their head, or anyone who gets in the way. If it wasn\'t for the DE the government would have collapsed hundreds of years ago and it would be Anarchy. But, only masters of lore know for sure that they exist. Only those with a keen eye for detail can understand the effects the DE has had. Ask officials if it exists. They may cower in fear and deny it or just deny it. If you prove yourself to the DE with your skills, maybe, just maybe, you can be an ELite. but, if you ever leave the guild, just understand... you must be eliminated. The DE can\'t risk letting people know all of its secrets....
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That slave idea is pretty good, but I was thinking soldiers who deserted for being sent on suicide missions instead
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So you\'re not even sure what your guilds goal is yet. Thats a good start right there. :D
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Originally posted by TheRedMonk
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You could make the main goal of your guild to destroy n00b guilds and then disband...
Aaaaah so true.
Watch the spellong Mobyus, you are a guild leader...you should seem atleast partialy intelligent...then again...I am one to talk?
And Fesfes, speaking of good starts :P
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Originally posted by Waylander
Watch the spellong Mobyus, you are a guild leader...you should seem atleast partialy intelligent...then again...I am one to talk?
So, no; you are not one to talk here. :P
Mobyus: Going for a Secret Service vibe here, or something of that nature? Or, hitmen for the Government type of organization?
EDIT: I need to slow down when I type, I made a typo!
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EDIT: I need to slow down when I type, I made a typo!
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Everybody makes typos esspecialy when there in a hurry. Also many people type according to their accents and produce slightly altered or strangly spelled words.
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In response to faldrok : Yes.
If any of you have ever played Knights of the Old Republic, then you know about the Genoharadan, that is what the Elites will be like. Either that or the A-team.
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Also, to most PS players DE is the Dark Empire. (http://users.fragnetics.com/darkempire/) so maybe your abbreviation should be different. How about the DZ [di:zi:] like in Diss(ident) E(lites) :)
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@ Mobyus: Cool idea, the hitmen thing. Only thing is, if you\'re so secret, why are you posting a thread in the forums? It just doesn\'t add up. I mean, you\'d actually go around selecting people who seemed valuable, testing them out, and killing them if they fail....(I really should have been evil :D)
@ Tybalt: You would join this guild if Ashes didn\'t exist??!?
@Hatchnet: Was \"strangly\" on purpose to prove your point about accents? :D
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Typo acctualy. I try to eliminate most of my accent; however it is the motivateing factor behind the majority of my typos. It is simply how I think an I spend alot of time checking when I am not in a hurry.
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When I meant typo, I think I accidentally spelled \"something\" and it was \"soemthing\", so I used the edit button and changed it because it just stuck out at me. I didn\'t check my post thoroughly and the result was a missed typo.
Well, mobyus: Your Secret Service won\'t be so secret now, but you could still do the Hitman thing and expand on that. I also think you should change your abbreviation as most know Dark Empire as DE, like RedMonk stated. DZ would be nice and sort of cool looking.
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I had no knowledge of Any \"Dark Empire\". thanks though. DZ does sound cooler. But I have one thing to ask.
What\'s up with all this talk about accents?
It just doesn\'t make any sense what the hell you guys are talking about.
Also, If they call it the secret service, why does everyone know they exist?
Just because you know something exists, you don\'t know what actions they may be performing behind the scenes.
Something may happen and the cause of it may be unknown, but you might not know whether the DZ would have anything to do with it.
And i\'m just saying
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Suggestion, if I might make one known:
If you are sincere about this, this organization must become a powerful, mostly-secret force to be reckoned with!
That mandates construction of a site and forums.
I\'d join a properly set-up \"CIA Guild\" or, heck, even create one if I didn\'t care about RG.
The concept is new and original for here, but your execution is lacking organization and power.
You could use a better name, too. It should be vague, of course. Don\'t forget a front, too! :)
Fog Underground, International Networks, [Something Latin goes here], The [name] Foundation, The Society of Patriotic Yliakum Citizens, or maybe The Standard Exports Group.
*shrugs*
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That\'s why i posted this thread.
So that people could help me organize. then, and only then, would I start recruiting.
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err, what about joining another guild? Ya know, there are some guilds right now that gives leading positions. Dream of the Sarukai is also recruiting ;) ... if you\'ll prove to be worth of it though. ^^
Why saying this? Mainly because this discussion is uselss :rolleyes:
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Well I\'m glad you liked DZ :P
A little suggestion since you said you never heard of the DE. Start reading about guilds and asking around to get info about them. I think it\'s quite important for your guilds...
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Bah, you should use DE. The Dark Empire are dead, I havn\'t seen any activity from them for ages.
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Actually no . Dark Empire is not dead, and it has active members. Sangwa is a proof. Not to mention Aelya is still around.
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Well, I could use DE and the Dark Empire (I saw their website and they look like the Dissident Elites) if they ever become active again... Well, In Star Wars Galaxies, The DE\'s enemy is the TIG ( the Imperial Gods) and we have never lost to them. they outnumber us three to one. I think we could end up starting a server wide war. The victor would be able to keep DE and loser must disband never to be seen on any server ever again...
Course if I lose, not like i am gonna disband the Elites. Then we could go into hiding. I also wouldn\'t mind being the number one enemy on the Empire\'s hitlist. I think it would be amusing to see if they would send recruits out to kill me. But, that\'s only gonna happen in my dreams.
As for Annah....
I am a leader. Not a follower. If you fail to understand that, Then just leave me be. In Star Wars Galaxies, I am the Leader of the DE. Everyone else is equal. Recruits, members, old memebers. I do not like ranks. they are what allows a guild to have a civil war. Low ranks getting pushed around by high ranks.
That\'s my idea. remember, No-one would be kicked. You can only leave of your own choice. Then you become an enemy of the guild. I don\'t take kindly to traitors.
And, the Elites was my idea first.
If I join another guild, it\'s because I was forced to by the Developers
(I have really got to watch my temper)
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My dear petite friend. Don\'t worry, I know how you are feeling. I am also the leader type. I just can\'t follow others or their ideals.
But about the ranks, I don\'t agree with you. They do not create an internal war as you said. Not having them means chaos, and that is more likely to start a war sooner than you think my friend. Anarchy ...
As for the Dark Empire. I think you were joking right? I could be in every guild in these realms, of any alignment, but if you\'ll ever attack any of its members I\'ll personally hang you.
I am the one who created what you call hell around here, so don\'t even think starting a war towards them ;)
PS - ooh I love to rp :D
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I still think you need a different name. :P
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Ideas!:
The Nialuna Underground
This group, founded by certain militant members of the governing body of Yliakum, uses the most vile and brutal tactics in order to maintain the Government\'s strangle-hold on power in Yliakum. Disregarding moral standards, and unkown but to a select few higher-up officials, the group pulls funding from a variety of methods, including siphoning off tax money with the blessing of superiors and seizure of property of those believed to be enemies of the state. The group is not above intimidation by threat, destruction, or even murder. At times, the group works for the benefit of society, covertly massacreing gangs and militias endangering control and order. Other times, it enforces nasty policies upon the masses, and peers into their lives. Members may be part of other organizations, collecting valuable data and secrets for later blackmail.
Unseen operatives effect a powerful influence on the day-to-day activities of the populous. Sometimes, local officials will be \'coerced\', into radically different policy decisions, with no explanation. People disappear without a trace. Dissenters close their mouths. Militias suddenly become stronger.
It is rumored that several highly-esteemed members of Yliakum society are benefactors and agents of the group. This has not been verified.
Ranks, by priority:
1.) Superior - The executive members of the group, the Superiors control any and all aspects of the guild. Word of the Superiors is law.
2.) Comittee Member - The Committee is composed of members selected by agreement of the Superiors. The Identities of Committee Members are secret.
3.) Section Controller - Section Controllers preside over daily operations of each section.
4.) Handler - Handlers are the Vice Presiders of their respective section. Handlers are responsible for the distribution of information.
5.) Senior Agent - Senior Agents are trusted and have been around longer than a three quarters majority of Agents.
6.) Agent - Agents are the bulk of the organization.
7.) Initiate - Initiates are not verified to be safe yet. All actions and information given to them take this into account.
8.) Informant - Informants periodically provide information to the group. They receive information or property in return.
~Organizational Goals~
I. The Government of Yliakum must survive.
II. The Government of Yliakum must not be placed at risk by dangerous persons.
III. The Area of Yliakum must remain stable and ordered.
IV. The Nialuna Underground must survive.
Regulations
-Information is to be given only on a need-to-know basis.
-Unless deemed to be necessary by one of the Comittee Members or a Superior, information from other sections is outside the jurisdiction of all below handlers.
-Members are not permitted to cause harm to other members, except when necessary to maintain cover.
Agenda
The agenda of the group, its\' \"plan\" if you will, will be updated periodically by a superior or committee member (via the committee\'s anonymous forum \'member\'), who will post in a thread dedicated to listing the objectives. Completed objectives, or objectives whose priority has changed, will have their posts edited. An example, and the first objective, follows.
Establishment
For the duration, the establishment and organizing of N.U. must take precedence over all other goals. In order to effectively carry out its\' mission statement, the N.U. must grow and become influential.
It is recommended that members solicit new sources of trustable information in other organizations. It is also recommended that members of all levels seek out new prospective members.
For the duration, members may petition to change Regulations, Priorities (Goals) and/or Guild Organizational Structure. Three of every four members must voice their support for the petition in order for it to pass.
Respectfully,
The Comittee on Guild Operations
More later...
[Edit] Edit 1. Includes New Regulations and Agenda bit.
[Edit] Edit 2. Typo removal and clarifications. (See Adeli\'s post)
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Okay, first off.
Dark Empire is taken, and whether they are alive or not does not matter. Someone else taking up the name would be lazy and pathetic. They may seem like your Dissident Elites, but they are someone else\'s (Aelya\'s I believe?) idea, and not yours to take.
Planeshift is different to SWG, and will always be different.
Your silly remark about ranks causes two issues.
Firstly: Civil Wars are usually caused by people either allying or defying the leader/monarch/king/emperor/warlord etc. Not because of the underlings. I do not know much about the American Civil War, but wasn\'t it over slavery or something? Just having a leader, and no other ranks is a very good cause for unrest and even mutiny.
The second issue is more PS relevant. You have to have eight ranks, the devs have decreed this on the PS site, so either think of a new idea, or alter this one. You can not have the penultimate leader and a group of lackeys. It must have a viable structure with eight (no more or less) ranks with different titles.
Monketh, you made agent and initiate both 6. One of these should be 7.
I am not overly fond of the secret service idea. It is too difficult in this game structure. Do you plan on being a guild revolving around the doings of an NPC government?
As for the Genoharadan or whatever, this make your idea a copied one, and that loses points in my book. Learn from others\' mistakes, and you will be able to create a great guild. you really should research PS guilds, both failed and successful.
I don\'t really see the Genoharadan as Dissident Elites (Yes I do own KOTOR)... a better name for them would be... \'Impartial, yet Politically-Minded Assassins\' (doesn\'t flow very well does it?).
Think about your idea, research, and create a better guild through it, when you have an idea and a basic structure (detailed would be better, but you seem averse to hard work on this guild so far), tell us about it, and we will find faults in it. Not to be rude, but to assist you in creating a working guild.
Edit: Armeen where have you been?
Get your butt over to our forums and answer my latest question! Someone took notice of my err... talent (do I have talent?)
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alright i give up...
Monketh , I like your Ideas but the name will stick. Whether anyone likes it or not. It will be the DE.
But, There will be a difference, but an MMORPG is still MMORPG.
get used to it.
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Err no, the name will not stick. Also, no, I won\'t get used to it.
Change it.
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I\'m with Annah! You should really change your name. If people don\'t like it they won\'t use it anyway so don\'t even bother insisting.
DE = Dark Empire and always will be.
If you want to be a worthy guild leader you might want to contribute with something to the guild. Come up with something else.
DiE <----this one is good
*goes to tell a joke at Sangwa
ps. Annah you gotta teach me how to use these -->(/b] :P (sorry was bored)
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*Sangwa laughs faintly*
Ok, ok, you are the Dissident Elite. When abreviated it becomes DE, which is equal to my guild\'s abreviation. That\'s tough, but not your fault I guess. But that\'s the only thing the Dark Empire and Dissident Elite have to do with each other.
Apart from that you are totally ignored by us and we don\'t give a damn about what you are doing or plan to do. And I\'m sorry but I greatly doubt that will change.
It would be smart to use a different abreviation. Not for the sake of your guild or mine, but for the sake of everyone who reads your posts. DE has meant Dark Empire for a long time, if you start using it people will be confused.
That is why I will ask you to keep DZ as an abreviation, as a proof of your good itentions towards the fellow players.
PS: The Dark Empire is as active as a Planeshift Guild can be. If you don\'t think so, I won\'t blame you. Mainly because I don\'t care about what you think *smiles at Xordan*.
And Annah thanks for standing up for the Dark Empire, like you usually do. If only some people were as noble as you are. Also thanks to the rest of you for trying to speak some sense into him ^^.
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So i am a stubborn SoB (hey that could be my guilds abbreviation!)
DiE is pretty good.
I just need people to join not wether everyone likes it or not.
I didn\'t ask whether anyone liked my idea or not. that\'s all i am gonna say for today.
No more posting by me until Monday.
(I have to help my guild defend against a TIG raid in SWG and that will probably take me all day today and tomorrow.)
By the Way Sangwa, i really didn\'t want your opinion. nor do I care what you think about me. so the feeling is mutual.
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*takes out his game of monopoly and watches Mobyus throw the dice
Chance!
*pulls a \"chance\" card for Mobyus and reads it \"Go straight to the guild graveyard and do not pass Kada El\'s guild list\"
Oh too bad! Now get the hell out of here!
(It\'s about NOW that you create a new account and try making a better impression)
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*Sangwa nods smiling* I\'m glad it\'s mutual. I wouldn\'t have it any other way.
I wish I was given everything I liked. But life\'s like that, sometimes you\'re given things that you dislike. You have to swallow it up and try not to waste time complaining.
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Aww man, I missed a good fight.
*runs after Mobyus with a big stick*
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Isn\'t \"DIE\" a pretty strong clan from WoW?
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*wonders how he is actually agreeing with Sangwa on something
;)
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Originally posted by Boldstorm
*wonders how he is actually agreeing with Sangwa on something
;)
Disturbing feeling isn\'t it?
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*takes out his game of monopoly and watches Mobyus throw the dice
Chance!
*pulls a \"chance\" card for Mobyus and reads it \"Go straight to the guild graveyard and do not pass Kada El\'s guild list\"
Oh too bad! Now get the hell out of here!
(It\'s about NOW that you create a new account and try making a better impression)
.. \\o/ .. That sure made me laugh :D
And glad you\'ve finally decided not to use DE anymore mobyus. Anyway, it\'s for your own good you know :)
Sangwa, you\'ll always have my support, no matter what ... You know that :)
1st of all, because I know what type of person you are. And 2nd, you\'re still in the Dark Empire :P
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World of Warcraft has strong clans? I never saw many during my time there.
Why are you so stubborn about the name?
You already have one guild/clan/team/posse named that... why do you need two?
Show some real originality there, how ever did you manage to come up with such similar names for both of them? Oh wait, they aren\'t similar... they are the same.
People usually won\'t join a guild without a reason.
Especially not if you are a stubborn, arrogant moron about everything. No offense intended.
Just think of a new name... It wont kill you. Which I suppose is a good thing yes?
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I might have mistaken, but I saw some videos of DIE attacking villiages, other people talking about them etc.
However I never got to play it, so...
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Perhaps they were on a different server to me, it is highly possible.
I only saw a few clans in my time.
It\'s likely they were on PvP servers.
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Originally posted by Adeli
Perhaps they were on a different server to me, it is highly possible.
I only saw a few clans in my time.
It\'s likely they were on PvP servers.
Possibly
What time was it?
Yes, they were.
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Adeli
Monketh, you made agent and initiate both 6. One of these should be 7.
Oops, typo there.
I may go ahead with the N.U.
Of course, it would need a different name and different front organization.
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OK, OK, jeez.
SO I happen to be very passionate about the DE.
By the Way I am not going to name it DIE, but DiE. a simple letter can make all the difference. Which this entire thread has been arguing about. Besides, although I am about to contradict everything I have previously said *clears throat*
This is Planeshift, not (insert random MMORPG here i.e. - WoW, SWG, RS, etc.)
So i was a little overzealous. OK maybe really overzealous and stubborn enough to the point that a memeber of the Dark Empire began posting.
I still wish to discuss the guild however.