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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: danti-christ on December 01, 2004, 10:12:01 am
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I have made very few posts, and all that i have heard from me fellow people out there is that my grammer is terrible.However this is annoying as i can not help this due to the fact i can not spell at all cos i am thick
ow wait i mean to say because i am not quite as gramatically correct as the rest of you
So all i want to know is what is with this sudden urge for the grammatically correctness are you all english teachers or something akin to this???????????
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^^^^This is your post^^^^
Many people will not or can not read a poorly written post. So they will just spam your post with \"learn to write\" or some such without even knowing what you wrote. This is inevitable. The best thing to do is to slow down, reread your post, and think things through. OR, you can have a word processor with a spell c/k open and pretype-->edit-->copy-->paste-->post and come off as a genius:]
Also, some people veiw grammer as a sign of intelligence.
VVVV This is your post on spellchecker VVVVV
I have made very few posts, and all that I have heard from my fellow people out there is that my grammar is terrible. This however, is annoying as I can not help this due to the fact I can not spell at all because I am thick.
Oh wait, I mean to say because I am not quite as grammatically correct as the rest of you.
So all I want to know is what is with this sudden urge for the grammatically correctness? Are you all English teachers or something akin to this???????????
See what I mean:)
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thanks i aint too good at spelling and i am dumb enough not to think about the spell cheak thing lol well i mite star tdoing this as it will stop u all mumbleing at me
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note i didnt start in the last thread with s/c
as you can tell!
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Uh, another note so that you don\'t get eaten alive by the Mods or various others: never double post. It is really bad etiquet.
Also, most of the grammer complaints that I see on the boards are refering to long, run-on sentances that lack any kind of punctuation. English is hard enough to use to communicate thoughts (though not entirely useless) without us all having to guess whether you are refering to its or it is (it\'s) or there (being a place) vs their (refering to people) and having to decode all kinds of typos like, \"whell i was harving a cdonversdatins...\" vs \"well I was having a conversation...\"
Cool?
I usually misspell stuff (as anyone that can read will tell you) and I get very few comments on grammer so I doubt that spelling is the problem...so much. It is more about punctuation and formatting (I.E. the use of paragraphs.)
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Some people are just too lazy to use grammar... which annoys me very much!! Yes, spellcheckers are very useful, but like they say: \"You can give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. You can teach a man to fish, and he will eat for a lifetime.\" Using a spellchecker should be an ALTERNATIVE. Try LEARNING to use proper grammar and punctuation before you use spellcheckers. I apologize if this message sounds like I\'m flaming, but it was not my intention at all to insult or put you down in ANY way.
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Bjorn not everyone has a perfect memory and even writers have to use spell checkers so why don?t you people just lay off the whole spelling and grammar issue.
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Some people refuse to stand back and watch the degradation of the english language, I\'m one of them...
Grammar makes one look proffessional. Lack thereof simply makes you look like you lack the intelligence to do it right.
Laziness is no excuse! Capitalization, puntuation: these things are easy.
Spelling, on the other hand, is regularly screwed up by just about everybody. No one is immune from typos, either. All that needs be done is to actually care about it so your errors aren\'t noticeable.
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Alot of the time its spammers who tell you that you got bad grammer. They go looking around for poeple who cant spell and comment on your spelling. They like to have a high post count.
Although somtimes thats not the case becuase they actually cant understand what you are trying to tell them. Just try your best to us good grammer i guess :)
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Originally posted by Hatchnet
Bjorn not everyone has a perfect memory and even writers have to use spell checkers so why don?t you people just lay off the whole spelling and grammar issue.
Because some peoples\' posts show nothing but disregard for halfway decent spelling and grammar. This in fact is bad etiquette by itself, because it shows that the writer doesn\'t have any respect for the other participants, and that he\'s just \"here\'s my great uber cool idea, and I don\'t need to bother with proper language since it\'s just you\". He doesn\'t care about the fact that badly written posts are way harder to read than proper ones, and thus proves that he\'s too lazy to do some work to formulate and type properly but instead dumps the additional workload on the other users, thereby wasting everyones time, just like a SPAMmer.
This obviously is even worse if the reader doesn\'t speak english very well as well, because they then rely on proper grammar to grasp at least something.
The other forum users see that and rightfully ignore / flame the ignorant / superstitious poster.
Edit (for Myrtl\'s post): Obviously, and spelling / grammar mistakes are often abused as a way to ridicule the poster if someone doesn\'t like them or their ideas but don\'t actually have proper arguments to counter theirs, and thus resort to flaming in order to swamp the actual points of the discussion.
Therefore, there is a high threshold before one should start correcting / flaming incorrect grammar and spelling, like chatspeak or really hard to read posts.
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i certainly care if i can read a post or not. usually if i cant read it i skip it and dont come back to it...
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Originally posted by Cwolfx
i certainly care if i can read a post or not. usually if i cant read it i skip it and dont come back to it...
Missing capitalisation is one example of what I meant by \"lack of respect\", though.
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What im saying is if I cant \"read\" it, due to sloppy typing and to many spelling errors I wont read it. Who cares if every thing isn\'t caplitalized. As long as its not like this,
\"plne shft ist he colest gam in teh wold\"
then its fine.
This is what i like to see,
\"planeshift is the coolest game in the world\"
... You can make that \'P\' a capital if you want but its not imparing anyone from reading it...
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I know that you didn\'t talk about that, since otherwise you\'d have used proper capitalisation. ;)
However, missing capitalisation amkes reading harder (unless you\'re trained to read capitalisationless posts), and therefore should be avoided. It\'s not as hard as reading the scrambled example, but still, and it\'s not that much work to do.
Doing others the courtesy of ensuring the best possible readability (given your personal abilities) is one sign of respect for the others, not doing so is the opposite.
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Originally posted by Monketh
Some people refuse to stand back and watch the degradation of the english language, I\'m one of them...
Remember, not everyone got English as first language, many of the people browsing and posting on the Planeshift forums might have learned their English by them self.
You can\'t just ignore that.
Typing \"th iisi s te colle stga mee ver\" is not good, and I never read those posts, but for the grammar issue, I never learned correct Norwegian grammar until half a year ago, because writing was never my strong.
English grammar I also lack knowledge of, though I try to keep clean.
But, please, it does not seem to me like a person that whines about bad grammar, or spelling is intelligent, more the opposite.
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If you care enough to post your opinion, then yes, you should take care in making the best effort to make your post as readable as possible. Otherwise your point will fall on deaf ears, or, in this case, on blind eyes .
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Hum i can see what you are all saying but
people who may be for example dysgraphic or other such educational imparements will find it increaseing difficult to place correct grammer in to the posts that they post
Although correct grammer makes a more presentable post it is impossible for ones self to do this due to the nature of this or other imparements held in the posters life
This is basically saying although i dont suffer from dysgraphia i do not have a full capacity in the region of grammer due to such issues this however does not and i repeat not effect my intelligence as you are all suggesting (by all i mean the pro grammer party)
you are all saying that grammer makes you look more intellegent but i feel the content is more valuable
plus how many people do you know who can work out the sqrt of 35 in there head to 3 dp in less than 1 minuete in fact the sqrt to any none sq number
this is just to show you all that contrary to anyones belifs i am one of the more intelligent in this conversation (not meaning to put anyone down)
So my point is cant you please just leave the grammer thing alone it is hard for me to comprerhend and i do try
ps the ans to the sqrt of 35 is 5.916 for any one who is interested
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Originally posted by danti-christ
Hum i can see what you are all saying but
people who may be for example dysgraphic or other such educational imparements will find it increaseing difficult to place correct grammer in to the posts that they post
Although correct grammer makes a more presentable post it is impossible for ones self to do this due to the nature of this or other imparements held in the posters life
This is basically saying although i dont suffer from dysgraphia i do not have a full capacity in the region of grammer due to such issues this however does not and i repeat not effect my intelligence as you are all suggesting (by all i mean the pro grammer party)
you are all saying that grammer makes you look more intellegent but i feel the content is more valuable
plus how many people do you know who can work out the sqrt of 35 in there head to 3 dp in less than 1 minuete in fact the sqrt to any none sq number
this is just to show you all that contrary to anyones belifs i am one of the more intelligent in this conversation (not meaning to put anyone down)
So my point is cant you please just leave the grammer thing alone it is hard for me to comprerhend and i do try
ps the ans to the sqrt of 35 is 5.916 for any one who is interested
The only problem I have with your posts, is that you don\'t have a single punctuation sign even in massive, half-a-page posts; therefore, I have troubles with separating your ideas in the text. I\'m pretty sure that since you\'re not \"dysgraphic\" (?), you shouldn\'t have any problems fixing it.
Imao... That is definetly not a way to demonstrate your intelligence. That the whole paragraph just shows that you basically you are trying to \"show off\" in front of us in order to gain respect for your intelligence. Such a behavior is prior to a toddler stage of the development of a human.
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Originally posted by danti-christ
Hum i can see what you are all saying but
people who may be for example dysgraphic or other such educational imparements will find it increaseing difficult to place correct grammer in to the posts that they post
Although correct grammer makes a more presentable post it is impossible for ones self to do this due to the nature of this or other imparements held in the posters life
Which is why I wrote \"given your personal abilities\".
Originally posted by danti-christ
This is basically saying although i dont suffer from dysgraphia i do not have a full capacity in the region of grammer due to such issues this however does not and i repeat not effect my intelligence as you are all suggesting (by all i mean the pro grammer party)
I didn\'t notice me doing that. Also, all the others said was that it makes one look stupid. The difference is hard to tell (i.e. does a person just look stupid or is this person stupid?), but it\'s my experience that there are way more stupid people out there than are people who have difficulties writing text.
Originally posted by danti-christ
you are all saying that grammer makes you look more intellegent but i feel the content is more valuable
Yes and no. Content is of course the reason of the text, but without proper form, it has less chance of being read or understood by others. Also, if I get the feeling that the poster doesn\'t actually respect the readers, then I might read it, but I\'ll be hard pressed to comment on it.
Originally posted by danti-christ
plus how many people do you know who can work out the sqrt of 35 in there head to 3 dp in less than 1 minuete in fact the sqrt to any none sq number
Certainly not me, unless given a calculator.
Originally posted by danti-christ
this is just to show you all that contrary to anyones belifs i am one of the more intelligent in this conversation (not meaning to put anyone down)
To clear this up once and for all: it is my impression that intelligence measures about nothing. At best, it measures how much a person thinks in certain ways.
It\'s certainly nothing that is fit for measuring abilities. Still, someone who has a higher intelligence tends to be more willing to learn different sillk (like writing and maths), so it might work this way but not the other way, though it usually gives a crude indication.
Originally posted by danti-christ
So my point is cant you please just leave the grammer thing alone it is hard for me to comprerhend and i do try
I\'m sure that once everyone knows about that, they\'re not going to flame you anymore. However I don\'t see any reason to flame you anyway, your posts on this thread (Edit: except the second one) did not strike me as being particularly bad. If all your posts are like this, then I don\'t see any reason why people might have flamed you. Maybe they were offended by your forum name and assumed you\'d just be another ignorant n00b, as we sadly have a continous supply of these.
Originally posted by danti-christ
ps the ans to the sqrt of 35 is 5.916 for any one who is interested
While you could have used a calculator, I believe you didn\'t.
Anyway, I dislike chatspeak and missing caps more than an occasional spelling / grammar mistake anyway, since it\'s much more easy to avoid the first two than it is to avoid the latter, and I\'m also willing to make exceptions for people who actually can\'t, but most certainly not for people who just won\'t.
Edit: after reading some of your other posts I believe that the reason is indeed the lack of punctuation. However, if you keep inserting breaks at the ends of the sentences that\'s a reasonable replacement if it really is so hard for you (I\'m not being sarcastic here!).
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Well let me say this, \"As long as I can understand what you are trying to say, go ahead an screw up all you want\". Not really a big deal as long as you understand its just like some acents..the words get slurred or said differently but as long as you understand the meaning its all good? I am sure certain people in this community who constantly choose to correct peoples english every chance they can get will disagree that its not alright. Like everything else in life you can just choose not to care about them ;)
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If a twelve year-old *cough* me *cough* can understand how to show respect well enough to know that capitalization and grammar (excusing people whose first language isn\'t English) is one of the key ways to showing that you do not lack humility and do consider yourself equal to others posting in the same forum as you. It is simply a matter of taking pride in your work, respecting fellow players, and realizing that how you present yourself could affect how you sway people towards what you are saying. By saying something that is lacking of proper grammar, you are telling the reader and the person whose thread it is in which you are posting that your time is more important than theirs and you feel you are priveleging them with your opinion, although you cause them to spend extra time trying to figure out what you meant, in which case you should probably restrain yourself from replying thereof.
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People STOP MAKING AN ISSUE OUT OF GRAMMER. Not all people can remember proper grammar and spelling when they are trying to use it. While this is separate from the people who just don?t care far too many people are using it as an excuse to spam, flame, and cause other trouble. So please leave people alone; just because someone has trouble spelling or with grammar does not make them ignorant or stupid. However when you make a post just to complain about someone?s spelling and grammar it makes you look arrogant and self centered so please just stop and leave the issue alone.
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THANK YOU!!!!
I would like to thank people who are seeing my point of veiw, I belive that the grammer within these sort of forums is not top priority, as long as the message which one attempts to convay is understandable it is fine
My main point is the one i mentioned in the first post
STOP STOP and i repeat STOP makeing an issue out of this whole gramatical corectness and me genraly being a tard and not spelling etc correct
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None of us are not seeing your view, so far we have only diagreed with some of the finer points of your post.
A: Punctuation exists to show the reader how the text would sound.
B: Missuse of language causes one to apear less educated than those who use it properly.
No one is saying that someone is actually dumber, or that the post is unreadable. We are only trying to comunicate the fact that proper use communicates your point properly, where as improper use leaves one questioning their interpretation of the text.
No one is telling you to start using accents, colons(:) semi-colons(;), parentasies( ) or brackets( [] ) we are just trying to get some periods and capitalized letters, hell even the capitalized letters can go on a hike: a period once in a while would be nice.
By refusing to use such simple grammerical standards (not out of ignorance but out of arrogance) you show a total lack of respect for all those who would want to read your posts and in so doing tell some of us that you do not want your oppinion to be understood, but rather that you just like to type.
When I came to these forums it was uncommon for me to use even a period but I looked up the proper use of the punctuation that I wanted to use and now -by trial and error- I have learned to use some of them properly and others...well...not so properly.
My brother is so damned dislexic that he was in the special education class in his school and he can use proper punctuation, and uses a program like MSWord or another word processor to help him find problems in his sentances.
Long story short, if you cannot write you cannot communicate and if you cannot communicate you will have problems in way more places then these forums.
All we want are some periods; those are the dots that you place at the end of a thought, like this.
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As simple as it may be to people who are able to spell correctly and use grammar where it is appropriate, these skills are just not present in everyone. You can\'t immediately know who is just being lazy, and who genuinly has some degree of Dyslexia- thus perhaps it is fair to give a small reminder to people who seem to be typing improperly, but by no means should anyone get on someone\'s case or get angry because some people just cannot do it.
Dyslexia is a disability, not a lack of education or respect. And, indeed, respect has to go in both directions, so try and think before potentially offending anyone about this stuff.
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I agree Moogie. Now some people might have dislexia or could just be sloppy. Also they might type so fast they make alot of mistakes...
Many possiblities.
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My earlier post, like I said, was not trying to offend, insult, flame, or start a fight with anyone. I was just pointing out the fact that people who ARE NOT dyslexic, and people who have english as a first language, could atleast make an effort to use grammar. I have seen people that talk in \"chat room language\" through their whole post. For example: \"plz help i can tlog in to planeshift it wont let me in when i make a char i tsays linkdead and closes teh pogram help me plzz!!!!!!!!111\"
I would appreciate seeing: \"Please help me! I can\'t log into Planeshift. Whenever I make a character and try to connect, an error message pops up saying \"linkdead\", and closes the program. Could you help me please?\"
And please, nobody take offense to anything I\'m saying. I am just trying to prove a point; it shows disrespect for others if you are not disabled, and English is your second language, yet you talk like someone from Taiwan. Some people don\'t bother to use any punctuation WHAT SO EVER, and therefor people cannot help them, because it is (almost) impossible to read. THEREFOR we cannot help them, THEREFOR causing spam and flaming.
I am not taking any sides, I\'m just saying what I think is right. If you disagree, I would rather you give a reason for not agreeing with me than flame me.
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Bjorn I just ran your last post through a spell checker and realized you really have no room whatsoever to talk here. And I am willing to bet that this is the case with the majority if not all of the people who are complaining about spelling and grammar so from now on every time I see someone make a post just to complain about spelling and grammar I?m going to let them know what spelling and grammar mistakes they made.
I am tired of seeing all these posts complaining about grammar; so maybe if I do this problem will come to an end.
P.S. If you are having trouble reading a post then please instead of posting about the persons grammar and spelling either copy and paste it to your spell checker (which is very easy to do) or just do not post at all.You are causing more problems than you hope to correct.
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I do see why grammer is playing a great part in the whole forum thing, but I still wont (even though i try) be able to give the standard that many of you are demanding from me.This is due to the fact i cant, i dont know why but i cant
I am sorry for this and i do try but i am sorry
i hope this hasnt made anyone hate me in this forum as the last thing i want is to make enemies atm
i come places to make friends and end up creating a riot due to grammer
ps is this grammer getting any better?!?!?!?!
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Originally posted by Chestar
If a twelve year-old *cough* me *cough* can understand how to show respect well enough to know that capitalization and grammar (excusing people whose first language isn\'t English) is one of the key ways to showing that you do not lack humility and do consider yourself equal to others posting in the same forum as you. It is simply a matter of taking pride in your work, respecting fellow players, and realizing that how you present yourself could affect how you sway people towards what you are saying. By saying something that is lacking of proper grammar, you are telling the reader and the person whose thread it is in which you are posting that your time is more important than theirs and you feel you are priveleging them with your opinion, although you cause them to spend extra time trying to figure out what you meant, in which case you should probably restrain yourself from replying thereof.
*points up* If you haven?t read this? read it.
Danti, I can guarantee that you are capable of using correct spelling and grammar. You just have to slow down and pay attention to what you are saying and how you are saying it. Nobody is stupid enough to be unable to use correct grammar, I don\'t care who you are. It?s the lazy way to write, and being lazy is no excuse. Try capitalizing your ?I?s, that?s an easy one to start with?
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Originally posted by Icefalcon
Originally posted by Chestar
If a twelve year-old *cough* me *cough* can understand how to show respect well enough to know that capitalization and grammar (excusing people whose first language isn\'t English) is one of the key ways to showing that you do not lack humility and do consider yourself equal to others posting in the same forum as you. It is simply a matter of taking pride in your work, respecting fellow players, and realizing that how you present yourself could affect how you sway people towards what you are saying. By saying something that is lacking of proper grammar, you are telling the reader and the person whose thread it is in which you are posting that your time is more important than theirs and you feel you are priveleging them with your opinion, although you cause them to spend extra time trying to figure out what you meant, in which case you should probably restrain yourself from replying thereof.
*points up* If you haven?t read this? read it.
Danti, I can guarantee that you are capable of using correct spelling and grammar. You just have to slow down and pay attention to what you are saying and how you are saying it. Nobody is stupid enough to be unable to use correct grammar, I don\'t care who you are. It?s the lazy way to write, and being lazy is no excuse. Try capitalizing your ?I?s, that?s an easy one to start with?
If you only knew how arrogant the two of you sound maybe you would stop all this while you have a chance to keep it from ruining the game. But then again people who tend to look down their noses at other people seem to think they have a right to do so. And others will find any excuse they can to cause trouble. It is as I said you have a chance to stop this here and now. So why don?t you?
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I give up with you people. All you do is flame, and flame, and flame. I am DISCUSSING THE ISSUE. I would not like to cause a fight!!!
And I agree, leave this topic forever. I have no more patience to waste trying to discuss the issue with you. Goodbye.
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Originally posted by Hatchnet
If you only knew how arrogant the two of you sound maybe you would stop all this while you have a chance to keep it from ruining the game. But then again people who tend to look down their noses at other people seem to think they have a right to do so. And others will find any excuse they can to cause trouble.
I guess my post did sound negative, but I seriously did not intend it to be a flame. I was trying to help him. Those who know me know that I rarely flame anyone, and If I do, it is totally IC.
It is as I said you have a chance to stop this here and now. So why don?t you?
And why shoud we stop discussing this? Does it offend you that some people would rather not see the English language go down the tubes?
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Originally posted by Andycornell
Originally posted by Monketh
Some people refuse to stand back and watch the degradation of the english language, I\'m one of them...
Remember, not everyone got English as first language, many of the people browsing and posting on the Planeshift forums might have learned their English by them self.
You can\'t just ignore that.
I don\'t hold any non-native speaker liable for misuse. But if English is your first langauge, and you don\'t have some disability, there is no excuse to type like you\'re in a chat room! Now I understand that people make mistakes in grammar and spelling, I don\'t care about when they do make a mistake so long as it looks like they at least put some effort into proofreading their post.
But, please, it does not seem to me like a person that whines about bad grammar, or spelling is intelligent, more the opposite.
Ha. Ha.
I\'m damn tired of having to translate english into english; I shouldn\'t have to, you shouldn\'t have to, and no-one on this forum should have to.
Taking time to use grammar is a measure of respect that I expect from every user capable of it to every user of this forum.
But then again, I capitalize and check my spelling in chatrooms myself...
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If you look at the grammer of the earlier posts that say that grammer is of no importance, you will see that the grammer is in general pretty poor. Now look at the grammer in the later posts by the same people, the grammer is on the whole better than the earlier posts.
It is clear to me that these people believe that better grammer will enable them to communicate their ideas better than if their grammer is below standard. Based on this belief I am struggling to find any reason at all that this thread even exists, as the people adovacting tolerance concede that poor grammer is an ineffective way to convey ideas and opinions.
-Zorium
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I?ve been using a spellchecker this whole thread. I admit that despite my IQ and high level of reading comprehension I still have trouble remembering how to spell from time to time. That is why I keep a dictionary by the desk; however I only recently started using the spell checker as a means to remove some of the ammunition of the people who like to cause trouble. This is a problem of people thinking that they are too good to read the content of a post (which is what they need to be doing anyways regardless of grammar and spelling) and instead reading the way the post is typed. Now this does not mean that posts like ?meet me @ the n? are appropriate. This however is not what this thread is about: this thread is about people complaining about poor spelling and grammar which simply should not be done and shows a distinct lack of regard for a persons feelings. This is why I would like for it to stop before people start to leave because they do not feal welcome. Now please stop!
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Originally posted by Hatchnet
Bjorn I just ran your last post through a spell checker and realized you really have no room whatsoever to talk here. And I am willing to bet that this is the case with the majority if not all of the people who are complaining about spelling and grammar so from now on every time I see someone make a post just to complain about spelling and grammar I?m going to let them know what spelling and grammar mistakes they made.
This proves that you are arrogant. It also proves that you didn\'t even try to understand what we have been saying.
Originally posted by Hatchnet
I am tired of seeing all these posts complaining about grammar; so maybe if I do this problem will come to an end.
While I do agree that a post that only complains about grammar / punctuation, etc. is bad and borders on SPAM, I will not accept people to just type like they\'re all dyslexic but in fact simply are lazy. If someone makes an effort and states they have trouble, then it\'s very fine with me, and I see danti-christ doing both. Also, there is a big difference between dyslexia and chatspeak; at least to me there is no \"chatspeak-syndrome\".
I know that there most certainly are several grammar issues in my posts (since english isn\'t my native language). However, I make an effort to at least have the things correct that I know what they should be. But if you feel you must, you may point out every single one of them.
And, just as Monketh, I do make an effort to capitalise and spell correctly even in chatrooms.
@ danti-christ: your grammar has improved, and I appreciate the effort you obviously are making. :tup:
I sincerely hope that you are serious and not a troll, that would make me sad.
@ Moogie: I absolutely know that the things that most of us take for granted in fact are not. I personally know some people who have dyslexia.
I simply expect them to make an effort to do as good as they can, just as I am expecting that very same of everyone else. This means that the standards are very different for the two groups in terms of quality, but not in effort.
As I don\'t see any way to be more clear on this, there most likely will not be any more posts by me on this subject.
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Well said Seytra. It is in my strongest opinion that your last post was the one to cease this non-sensible flaming.
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My opinion rests at the fact that I will not be swayed by someone who looks as though they care not about which way I go; if the sell themselves to me by acting as though they want me on their side, it could be considered a done deal. However, if someone has a poorly put together post that basically says \"I really don\'t care about you or your descisions I just want higher post rankings\" then I will be forced to neglect them. I am only twelve years old, in seventh grade, and not done with my major English grammar classes, and I am just asking for other posters to make the effort I, and people such as Seytra who does not speak English as a first language, strive to put forth.
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You people forget that some peoples first langs aren\'t english, so if you understand what they say let it go. As for people like me who speak english every day, feel free to flame us on our spelling us much as you want ^_^
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it scares me for such a long time i was classed at the worst speller.....seems i\'ve lost my place in that with this new wave of............peo..ple *cringes*
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The problem (which most of you seem to be ignoring) is that people are making the effort and being ostracized for their failure. And that is what people are complaining about. Yes there is a very big difference between those who make the effort and fail and those who simply do not try. Unfortunately you people are ignoring this difference in an effort to support your actions. Which is why the attacks (yes that is what they are) on people who do not manage to post correct grammar must stop. Because not one of the posts I have seen treated in such a manner truly deserved such treatment. In fact I seem to remember reading that chat speak as it is called is not even allowed on these forums.
Furthermore if as you say you wish to prevent the declination of the English language there are far better approaches to doing so ex: helping people with their English (use pms or private chat) instead of attacking their posts complaining about their grammar.
Also if you do not have the reading comprehension necessary to read a poorly made post you can simply copy and paste it to your spell checker which is very simple to do and takes very little time to perform (this could even be used as a way to help teach proper language skills).
And if you are too lazy (yes I said lazy) to do even that much simply DO NOT POST.
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@ Seperot--Don\'t worry so much Sep. With a little less effort I\'m sure you could regain the title of Worst Speller, along with Pundit of Poor Punctuation, King of Incorrect Capitalization, and God of Bad Grammar!:D
(I am joking, by the way.)
(Sort of;))
- I don\'t think it is a bad thing to ask people to improve their grammar if it is done in a nice and courteous way. Some people may not realize that their posts are hard to read. In fact, it would be discourteous to let them continue writing poorly if they have the capacity for improvement and other forum members are beginning to view them as unintelligent.
- That would be like letting someone run around with their fly open without giving them a heads up.
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Originally posted by Hatchnet
The problem (which most of you seem to be ignoring) is that people are making the effort and being ostracized for their failure. And that is what people are complaining about. Yes there is a very big difference between those who make the effort and fail and those who simply do not try. Unfortunately you people are ignoring this difference in an effort to support your actions. Which is why the attacks (yes that is what they are) on people who do not manage to post correct grammar must stop.
You are using a SpellChecker on other people\'s posts to support your actions.
Originally posted by Under the moon
- I don\'t think it is a bad thing to ask people to improve their grammar if it is done in a nice and courteous way. Some people may not realize that their posts are hard to read. In fact, it would be discourteous to let them continue writing poorly if they have the capacity for improvement and other forum members are beginning to view them as unintelligent.
- That would be like letting someone run around with their fly open without giving them a heads up.
Nice point there Moon :). I agree 100%!
I just wish people would try to understand that I am trying to DISCUSS the issue, with other people. I am not proving a point, or flaming anyone. This is MY last post on this topic, so I would like to leave my mark.
Hatchnet, you were the one to continue this thread. You aksed to stop, then you just kept those retaliations coming! I have left my mark. Peace out, and I hope we all learned our lessons.
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Many people joined this discussion with the phrase \"Not everyone speaks English as their first language.\"
This point was addressed many, many times throughout the thread. I know this, because I just read it entirely. It seems silly to add to a discussion without first reading everything that others have contributed.
I have partial dyslexia myself, it\'s very strange. I only mistake the ordering of letters in uncommon words, and one day I\'ll realise that I\'d read it wrong so many times, it happens quite often when I read. Yet I can still mantain correct grammar if I set my mind to it.
As for \'chatroom speak\'... This is how I used to type when I went to chatrooms. I found crude abbreviations hard to understand. Only when I play online shooters does my grammar lapse, as I usually need to rush a message.
Hatchnet, you have come across as very ignorant to me. Nobody is being ostracised here, they are being corrected, there is a whole world of difference between the two my friend.
As to your precious spell-checker... Do you realise it is quite fallible? There are many words that spell checkers can not recognise, so my suggestion is to use a dictionary, if you are unsure of spelling or grammar, not to run spell checker. I myself used a dictionary, I didn\'t know if abbreviate had one \'b\' or two, and sounding it phonetically didn\'t help me.
I for one will vouch for IceFalcon\'s non-flaming-ness. (wonderful grammar there huh?)
Danti, there has been remarkable improvement in your grammar, in this thread alone, I am most impressed. I doubt very much any of us feel that you are less intelligent. You stating you are more intelligent because of your ability to square root 35 in your head... is somewhat foolish.
I agree with Seytra\'s take on there being nothing intelligence really measures. A good friend of mine is badly dyslexic and almost failed english, but did remarkably well in maths and science classes, I don\'t feel more or less intelligent than he.
Just to clarify, I don\'t sit here agonising over words to use, this is my natural way of speaking. Growing up, my friends would complain that I used \'big words\' all the time.
Oh, I can\'t help myself on this one... I tried, but the lure is too great.
The word Grammar, is spelled with an \'a\' not an \'e\'.
I do not mean to be insulting with that, it just struck me as ironic, I apologise in advance for any possible insult.
If any of you are thinking \"Apologise is spelled with a \'z\' not a \'s\' \", I say this; not everyone is American.
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I think this has run its course now... basically all points have been made, and it\'s starting to turn into a \"who can make a better reply\" match. :P It was an interesting debate, nonetheless. I think alot of people learned something important from this.
As always, if there is something important and valid you need to add here, PM me and I\'ll consider re-opening it temporarily.
Sep: Awww, don\'t worry... you\'ll always be the worst speller to me. :) *lovehugs*