PlaneShift
Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Bhasmithal on December 02, 2004, 12:33:41 am
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Greetings everyone ! First of all, I\'m French and I\'m really trying my best, so please don\'t get upset if I make mistakes. I would like to present to you a new guild, created on the 17th october. It?s named Brothers of the Shadows (? Fr?res des Ombres ? in French), it has the wish to give its members a great part of freedom. We are not a guild with the wish to make the best characters in the game. We want to play for pleasure and for Role-Play, in the spirit of Planeshift.
(http://zorglub69.free.fr/freresdesombres/img/banniere-779x173.jpg)
Brothers of the Shadows Web site (http://www.freresdesombres.com/)
Two glowing points appear under the hood of thick tissue. The stranger gazes at you with his mysterious regard. The two lights seem to arouse your very soul, exploring, without mercy, the most intimate secrets of your existence. And after a short moment of chaos, you have only one wish: to avoid these eyes.
Gathered in the arms of the same entity, the Brothers of the Shadows never talk about themselves. The story of their past is too elaborated to be verbalised. It is part of the stories that must remain untold, of thoughts that must not be expressed, and be engraved only in memories.
Yet the Brothers of the Shadows are united. It may be that they mutually understand each other or that they instinctively, by looking at others, perceive the fine qualities of this guild; nobody knows. But when the hour of war is upon us, when a battle, putting at stake the future of the gathering, is dawning, the Brothers know how to find each other to fight side by side. Then the black shape will move towards the enemy and no man will be able to retain his fear when faced with the unleashed horde.
That those who roam the lands become liberated of their aimless drifting. Here, my Brothers, you will find the rest you have anticipated. Come to us! Become stronger and regain hope by joining our ranks.
History
The origins of the Brothers of the Shadows are not very famous, since the guild has always stayed in the shadows, acting mostly for its own benefits, invisible to the eyes of others.
A part of their history can be found by browsing through the books in the library of Yliakum, but none of the few texts that exist can provide any details on the Brothers of the Shadows, which leaves the reader with unanswered questions.
But it seems that the first defnition of the guild appeared after the disfiguring of Laanx, at the time when she decided to go deeper into the depths of the Stone Labyrinths.
Read all the story here (http://www.freresdesombres.com/origines2.php).
Ideology
The Brothers of Shadows privilege the autonomy of the players and has not the wish to force them to participate to quests. Its objective is to join together a community of players who want to play together without being always on the same quests. A Brother of Shadow can be alone most of the time and sometimes participate to a quest he thinks will be interesting.
Everyone can propose a quest to the guild. Then, each Brother will choose to participate or not. If he decides to, he will have the obligation to follow the group until its end.
The only thing a member can be forced to is to fight for the guild if a guild war is declared. All the other decisions should be taken by the concerned Brother.
Read all the rules here (http://www.freresdesombres.com/ethique2.php).
Alignment
Because each member can nearly do what he wants in the guild, its alignment is Chaotic Neutral. This choice has been made after a long discussion with some of the most important people in other guilds, in order not to take a wrong alignment.
Ranks
Each rank defines a hierarchy level in the guild, but it does not give more ? power ? by the simple fact that players do not have the obligation to follow a leader in his quest. But it does not draw aside the idea of someone who which to become a devoted servant serving his master.
9 Lord of the Shadows
8 Master of the Illusions
7 Leader of Spirit
6 Head of Horde
5 Night Conspirator
4 Child of the Moon
3 Wild Wolf
2 Phantom
1 Will-o\'-the-wisp
Additional informations
The Brothers of Shadows has been created with the idea to put together players that speak French. It does NOT refuse English players or players coming from foreign countries. Quite to the contrary, we are happy when a canadian or a spanish wants to become a Brother of the Shadows. But if you want to join our guild, you must speak a little bit french in order to be with the current of all the last news about the guild.
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*Bows* My friend I am not sure what exactly it is but this new guild you have brought to us is very VERY intriguing. Good luck
OOC: I like it alot, don\'t disappear.
EDIT: I also noticed things you have taken from WarCraft 3 and Final Fantasy 11 Online ;) .
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Hey buddy! ;)
Great job on your guild, I\'m sure you\'ll stick around from now on :P
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Originally posted by DepthBlade
EDIT: I also noticed things you have taken from WarCraft 3 and Final Fantasy 11 Online ;) .
From Warcraft III sure, but not from Final Fantasy 11 Online :D
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Um..
2 Phantom
1 Will-o\'-the-wisp
both from FF11, kinda surprised with the will o the wisp one because thats a notorious monster on the game that not many know about. Convenient because you got the \' in there too :)
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Ho! I am really surprised of this!
I was honnest when I said that I had never taken pictures or informations from FF11 :) In fact, these terms are the English equivalent of the words in French.
\"Feu Follet\" in the Google Translating Tool gives: Will-o\'-the-wisp
I have created all the ranks by myself, it is a coincidence if they are the same in FF11. Moreover, I played only Final Fantasy 6 (in Japan, 3 in Europe). :]
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Originally posted by DepthBlade
Um..
2 Phantom
1 Will-o\'-the-wisp
both from FF11, kinda surprised with the will o the wisp one because thats a notorious monster on the game that not many know about. Convenient because you got the \' in there too :)
Like they were there first - they\'re classical DnD critters.
I saw a monkey in Monkey island, but i don\'t go around, accusing everyone using the word monkey of plagiatism or similar. :rolleyes:
Nice guild btw :)
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I hope your guild will last and be aknowledged by everyone. Good luck
And it\'s good to see you on the forums Bhasmithal :)
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yes it was very nice but i think you would have an easy time getting members if you had a bit more english to it....(just a suggestion)
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Hey Robinmagus,
That is not my wish. A guild where one half of the members are \"only-English-speakers\" and the other half \"only-French-speakers\" would be very, very, very difficult to manage.
Planeshift is an International Game, so I don\'t think it is a problem to create a French guild opened on the other languages and on the other guilds. I am sure I would get more members if I \"had a bit more english to it\" like you say, but I like challenges. I recruited each of my members and I will continue to do this because by this way I know each of them well.
Ho, and remember the guild is NOT against recruiting English players! We just ask them to understand a little bit French . :)
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Very good ... very good :tup:
It seems you\'ve thought at everything before posting. Well done. Not many do this around here these times. Also, your ideas are interesting, not new, but interesting.
Though, don\'t do the mistake with \"french\" only guild, that yea ... \"we recruit others too but we want french people!\". Follow my advice :)
Planeshift is an International Game ...
Yes, Planeshift is an international game, but from your words you\'re just a french guild that also recruits people from outside France. Why not being just a guild, that recruits everyone? ;)
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Originally posted by DepthBlade
2 Phantom
1 Will-o\'-the-wisp
Phantom is simply figure that can\'t be touched or anything... just seen. Obviously, existed before any fantasy setting was created...
Will-o\'-the-wisp comes rather from folklore believes (same with dwarves, gnomes, light elves, dark elves, giants, trolls, goblins, dryads and so on). It is actually a real thing that could be seen at night, altho\' there\'s no explanation of how it is formed...
Edit: Here\'s some interesting article about the Will O\' The Wisp (http://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/folklore/will_o_the_wisp.html)
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Originally posted by Annah
Yes, Planeshift is an international game, but from your words you\'re just a french guild that also recruits people from outside France. Why not being just a guild, that recruits everyone? ;)
In fact we do not refuse English, Spanish, Japanese, ... players, like I said. We accept everyone who is able to speak French but if they speak also English or another foreign language that\'s better.
You ask me why we are not recruiting everyone? Because in my opinion it is impossible to manage a guild where we speak English AND French AND Spanish AND Japanese AND whatever else. And because I\'m French I would like to create a guild where we speak French (but where we are not necessarily French).
I understand your opinion when you see that someone wants to create a guild for \"just frenchies\" and I also understand your reaction. First of all, Brothers of Shadows is not a guild for \"just frenchies\" and we want to have some relations with other English guilds.
Then, because Planeshift is an international game, why could we not create guild where we do not speak English? By this way, Planeshift could be a place where all the people in the world could come.
Third point: Brothers of Shadows will not stay on their own and create another community. When we can we help the English newbies and if we do not understand what they say we ask each other the meaning of their words. And we also have Role-Play discussions with some players.
I hope you understand now why we are recruiting people that can speak at least French :]
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You ask me why we are not recruiting everyone? Because in my opinion it is impossible to manage a guild where we speak English AND French AND Spanish AND Japanese AND whatever else. And because I\'m French I would like to create a guild where we speak French (but where we are not necessarily French).
English is an international language, and everyone around here speaks it. I didn\'t see any Japanese speaking in his own language. I am a Romanian for example, but I don\'t speak Romanian here ;)
I still don\'t get it why you want it your way, because you\'re going towards only one direction: isolation (ok, maybe is not the right word, but close to it :P ...) from the main community, even if you don\'t want, you create a 2nd \"french community\".
I still don\'t get it ... 0.o
When we can we help the English newbies ...
You\'ve already split the community :)
Come on ... only one \"team\" :D
Anyway, not that I care, but you seem to \"have\" a future around, the guild is nice, so I\'ll try to be near you :)
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And not that I have something with the French language, but I don\'t think you\'ll find many people outside France that will speak it and not English :)
C\'est la vie mon Planeshift frere ;)
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btw, you\'ll have to speak english ingame :P
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Originally posted by Annah
And not that I have something with the French language, but I don\'t think you\'ll find many people outside France that will speak it and not English :)
Well if you\'re right then that will be very nice \'cause in this way we will be able to speak French between us and speak English with all the other players of PS :]
By asking the members of Brother of the Shadows to speak at least French, it helps those who does not speak very well English to improve it because they will have to speak it to play suitably ;)
Our objective is to gather a French community around Planeshift. :]
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btw, you\'ll have to speak english ingame
When shouting or saying something yes, but not in guild chat or private, so that shouldn\'t be much of a problem.
English is an international language, and everyone around here speaks it.
Well, that\'s the problem. Not everybody speaks English. I agree that most people should try their best to learn English that is the international language but for those who can\'t (or won\'t) it\'s good to have guilds like the Brothers. :)
Bhasmithal, I guess I don\'t need to repeat the fact that I think your guild is really cool ;) Bonne chance Frere!
EDIT (After Annah\'s next post): Well I can agree that it\'s sad that lots of French people don\'t care to learn English like everyone else but the discussion has been brought up too many times and I don\'t think we have the power to change this here. That\'s why, Annah, I think we might as well let this guild be for French speaking people ;)
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Why Bhasmithal? 0.o
I still don\'t get it ... :P
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Anyway, yea, I guess you\'re right Tybalt.
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This debate about language will never get old, will it?
It\'s purely irrational and finds its root mainly in the fear some people have regarding their lack of control over the elements. With a bit of argueing just for the sake of it, from what I see, won\'t you agree with me Annah?
What arguments do we have here?
One of the criteria is understanding French a little bit, even if most of the site has been translated and if talking English in their forums is not frowned upon. So does that make it \"just\" a French guild? Well, it will be a common denominator. As some guilds are \"just\" evil, \"just fighting evil\", and so on. Is that bad? If we follow this kind of logic, every guild will look the same and be as general as possible, to avoid splitting the community.
Does that make sense? Not really. What I see is a guild which allows enough freedom to their members as to their character, but has the desire to help them sharing the same culture (and, but that\'s beside the point, the same beliefs). Isn\'t that the case of the best guilds around? And why is the language a worse criterion? Quite the opposite! To me, it will strengthen their bonds, much more than any artificial ideal.
Will that isolate them? Why would it do so, as long as they use French internally? They do talk English with other people, and from what I\'ve seen so far, it\'s not always worse than your typical Englishman or US citizen.
Will someone be isolated when roleplaying evil/X/Y... very well? I\'m not sure, would you want to talk to a guy like this (IC) if your beliefs were so different as to make any argument worthless? I wouldn\'t. But I\'d gladly do so OOC, if the guy\'s interesting. So, is that really different?
I find it a bit sad that people wouldn\'t discuss deeper and more interesting points of this guild, instead of this superficial, overdone topic. They deserve better, don\'t you think?
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\'eh ... well said Cad. Well said! :]
... It\'s purely irrational and finds its root mainly in the fear some people have regarding their lack of control over the elements. With a bit of argueing just for the sake of it, from what I see, won\'t you agree with me Annah? ...
I agree.
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I play ps since august 2004 because I wasnt able to play before. And that\'s what I saw :
- a french community with one belonging to big guild called Zelphirien
- a lot of guilds for english speakers
- a lot of people that cant speak english but wanted to try the game :
a spanish : he came and cant find spanish speaker he saw the game and lets the game...
some hungarian not able to speak english but there was a hungarian able to speak english. This one create a guild (the hungarian hord) and there is still hungarian that cant speak english in the game...
in the zelphirien guild there are a lot of non eglish speakers that continue to play (Drognion for example : he show me Yliakum and tell me a lot of things about it but cant speak english)
in fact if you really want your game stay open : you\'ll have to accept the fact some people need guild where people speak foreigner languages...
sorry Annah but I\'m not in your opinion in this post.
@Xordan : but you you are used to see I\'m not in your opinion ;-) but Eh ! I just realize ! I\'m in your mind now ! I though too there would have to speak english !
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Hi there,
I wanted to recall you that there is a section on the forum where you can post in different languages. We will try to accomodate you suitably and answer all your requests.
Do not hesitate to post a message, we are happy when a new person comes to drink in our tavern. Urbong (the Taverner) will surely appreciate your visit. :)
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who gives a dang about alnguage, i\'m happy to see a assin/theif guild thats actually somewhat active
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Originally posted by TheRedMonk
Hey buddy! ;)
Great job on your guild, I\'m sure you\'ll stick around from now on :P
Ditto. :D
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Hello everbody,
I would like to recall you that the Guild Vote on Kada-El\'s Tavern (http://tavern.blueglyph.net/) is not yet closed. You can still vote for our guild.
Here is the website: http://www.freresdesombres.com/ (http://www.freresdesombres.com/)
Maybe you\'ll want to discover more things on Brothers of the Shadows and -who knows?- you\'ll want to join the guild. There is an international section on our forums where you can express yourself, so don\'t hesitate to post!
See you on CB!
PS: To vote, chose \"Brothers of the Shadows\" on the bottom right of the screen then click on \"Vote\".
PS2: You will be able to find the English translation of the web site at the bottom of the main page.