PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Toadhead on December 18, 2004, 10:50:48 pm
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Q:What is RPing?
A:RPing stands for Role Playing. This means you will always act and talk as your character. So DON\'T talk about your new pc or new scooter in the real life, but talk about a new sword you just bought or something.
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But here comes the point,
in alot of games you see people talking with words as \"noob, or n00b\". Personaly I realy hate it when people say this. I mean please respect new players and people with a smaller brain than others, and don\'t call them noobs when they did something wrong or said something stupids.
In my opinion \"l33t\" talking and words as noob should not be tolerated in the game. I mean when I play a RP i hate it to see \'modern\' idiottalk like this. Ofcourse you can say that from alot of words and maybe even the English language, but thats just different.
Who does agree with me?
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I do !
The chat filter should (and I think this is already implemented/qued up for implementation) automatically delete (ie not show AT ALL) chat phrases containing words with numbers in them, words with punctuation (other than proper use of accents) in them, swear words, words like swear words, incredibly bad spelling, \"chat talk\" etc.
This prevents the blasphemous assault on our chat windows present in most other online games !
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ME ME ME I DO I DO!
Everyone was a \"noob\" at one point, so you should help at least one person with the game when they start to return the favor of others helping you, you help someone so those others don\'t have to help them too.
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Like the others i agree
If you -played Diablo 2 and the exp , youd hear the word NOOB and other raciest comments + noob. This is totally disrespectful , i agree with having the word noob blocked out so no one could say.
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I agree with you in some areas of course.... I believe you should keep the mindless drivel to a minimum, and clean up your language. It might even be a good idea to learn how to speak and spell... but I mean, completely eliminate OOC speaking? I think that is a little bit extreme, I mean, if I am really excited about something, then I am going to speak about it, to my online friends and anyone else who will listen. This is because many of us view the Online Community as sort of another form of life and communication... I mean, you have a new look, according to how you designed yourself, you have your own new family(guild), you are leading a different life according to your molding. So, in this different life, you\'re going to talk about everything that makes you feel good. I think it would be a bit... unfair to completely remove OOC chat on PS, seeing as these two existences conflict, but I agree that I would like to keep \"t3h 1337 n00bs\" and other slanderous groups away, or at least reform them into civilized players.
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Originally posted by Murais
I agree with you in some areas of course.... I believe you should keep the mindless drivel to a minimum, and clean up your language. It might even be a good idea to learn how to speak and spell... but I mean, completely eliminate OOC speaking? I think that is a little bit extreme, I mean, if I am really excited about something, then I am going to speak about it, to my online friends and anyone else who will listen. This is because many of us view the Online Community as sort of another form of life and communication... I mean, you have a new look, according to how you designed yourself, you have your own new family(guild), you are leading a different life according to your molding. So, in this different life, you\'re going to talk about everything that makes you feel good. I think it would be a bit... unfair to completely remove OOC chat on PS, seeing as these two existences conflict, but I agree that I would like to keep \"t3h 1337 n00bs\" and other slanderous groups away, or at least reform them into civilized players.
If you\'re realy exited about something use the irc chat channel to tell :)
But otherwise there should be an OOC (Out Of Character) chat special for people like you. You\'ll be able to turn this on and off. When you talk you\'ll need to typ /ooc and than what you want to typ. I don\'t want OOC talk mixed between the RP talk.
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I reckon wiping the entire chat will be the best way to go, as meaningless **************s fill up the chat box just as much as the original talk. If a person who used a \"banned\" term (such as noob, newbie, n00b, pwrlvl, rbe etc) notices that their chat disappears they can simply type it again in real english - after all, the in game language is designated as engilsh on the project page, so people should speak it.
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If I decided wich words would be banned I would aslso add things like \"IMO, etc., ppl\" and more things like that.
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I agree l33t should not be tolerated. But I don\'t really like censoring. It doesn\'t work. Just look at runescape. You cant say anything. They censor every variation of every \"bad\" word there is. For example, the word \"gay\" is censored. Then people started using \"gey\" instead, so they censored that. Then people started using \"ghey\" and so they censored that too. Pretty soon, you cant have a decent conversation without having half your words censored because the devs censor every word that has any conotations to anything bad, no matter how subtle or mutilated the word is.
My point is, censoring doesn\'t work. People will always find a way to get around it, and although you and I may not like people using certain words, it\'s going to happen.
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Jhour reith, p**ple willl alwaais uz otherrr worts ohr letthers so the sensor system wont see it.
And the worse thing is, after alot of time that they played the game, they are gonna use that words also out of the game!
You see it with words like noob, people are saying \"naab\" or worse things now :(
I think we just need to triple post this so everybody knows this chat is not welcome :)
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What?s the problem with etc???
What?s the problem with newbie??
Etc is real English and newbie is a new person willing to learn.
[ooc has its good uses when talking about things, possibly explaining some Tec difficulties, or explaining something about your character.]
I don?t think things like ppl, l8er, rofl, (etc)... That are just condensed words should be banned.
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I agree that the game should be mostly RPing but there needs to be an outlet for the of topic stuff. Also filtering is not really a good idea. Now the GMs should be able to ban, kick, slap someone who uses such words such as \'l33t\' to much or interups gameplay with repeated non-RP behavior that is not sent through the proper outlet.
Now for \'newb/n00b\' I do not feel needs to be part of the gaming experience and would much rather people call them something they would be called in real life, for example \'foreigner\' or somthing similar.
And for \'etc.\', it is not a word it is an abbreviation for et cetra. Not that I have problems with abbrevations considering that the rate one can type is severely less than the rate one can talk, and thus should be allowed.
[Edit] Sorry for the etc. thing, ohh Great ZellGa\'dess, *Kwip winks*, I did not mean to seem like a grammer instructor, and I may be wrong in that it is not a word any more. The extensive use of the abbreviation may have caused the writers of dictionarys to add it, after all they often have entered new slang words and such. I also think I have heard another legend of your greatness and must tell it someday ;-) [/Edit]
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Oops- I didn\'t mean to say censor \"etc.\", I don\'t really want everybody to try to spell \"etcetera\" :) :). I was meaning \"and words like these\".
As for newbie, while it is used as a word today, it is still just a computer term that plagues games (I just checked my dictionary). Why not describe a new player as a beginner, and so avoid taking part in the overuse of \"newbie\".
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Ok, how about this..... hey you person-who-is-not-farmiliar-with-the-ins-and-outs-of-the-game! you need anyhelp man?
:D
It\'s ok Kwip, i forgive you, I haven\'t put your first tale up because im still editing it.... you think my spelling and grammer is bad! I cant wait to see you in cb... too bad i still wont be green yet :\'(
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Well I agree, newbie isnt a real Enlish word.
I\'ve never heared it before when I was the first time on a gaming form :P
Noob is a word to say that someone sucks, and that he\'s stupid, and should not be allowed. Just say he sucks and that he is stupid...
Maybe you\'re right about \"etc.\", but I still prefer whole words like et cerea. But since nobody uses et cetera anymore becuase its far to difficult to spell (:P), that one should be allowed.
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When people came to MB and shout in their own language everyelse shout \"IN ENGLISH PLEASE\". I understood that and I saw some people who were really unpolite by shouting you must write in english. I know what you feel when somebody criticize you in public (shout).
SO IM REALLY ABSOLUTLY AGAINST THE IDEE OF VORBIDDEN SOME WORDS ON THE SERVER. If there are swearing for example and too many violent languages there are GM to ban or kick the unpolite persons. I dislike your idea : if you wanna rping you can. If you wanna help or speaking about todays things I hope nobody will ask you to shut up because of some rules...
Your focus is really on the newbee word... strange... What did Freud tell about that? ;-)
What I really hope is that there won\'t be people insulting others... cause I really won\'t agree with that... I saw people on MB server that really had luck there was no GM on MB...
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Problem is that when someone is RPing and another one isn\'t it\'s very irritating.
This is an example:
PersonX: Hey n00b!
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PersonY: what did you say? (RPing becuase his character don\'t know the word n00b)
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PersonX: I said n00b!
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PersonY: What does that mean?
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PersonX: Don\'t you know that? OMG You\'re an idiot
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PersonY: What the hell are you talking about? What does OMG means?
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PersonX: HAHAHAAHAHA
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PersonY: You\'re crazy
You\'ll get conversations like this, becuase I\'m gonna act as my character. And when I see crazy people I will just ignore them.
OOC mixed with RP is just not gonna work :(
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the one who said Hey newbee is dumb
and the other is dumber to answer ! ;-)
If you wanna rping no problem say : sorry but I must have sone dust in my ears... (I\'m RPing : so that\'s you the idiot... lol) :-P
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Maybe people should just have optional filters to filter out words they dont like. Excessive swearing was the only thing GMs were meant to act against wasnt it? and maybe verbal lharrasment and abuse.
In terms of roleplaying, wouldnt a world as large as yliakum have lots of different dialects which could have words like noob and leet in them?
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and than?
You\\ll get sentences like: you\'re a ****, but than you dont know whats on the **** but all others do.
Than you dont know what they did call you.
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Maybe some people dont want to hear what they are called?
But it would look funny if you had a filter on and you saw ********************** or something.
I dont know, it just seems funny that people are worried about seeing the word n00b or l33t in planeshift. Words like those and swear words are just something that people will live with i guess.
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I hate to say this but if the game becomes successful whit I would imagine a free mmorpg will there will be allot of people coming from other games. They will use the terms and language they are accustomed to.
The only way to thwart the use of these slang words is for the entire base community to let people using these terms know that they ar not accepted within the context of the game.
I would also like to see a filtering system that could take words like n00b and change them into words such as foreigner, much like they do with everquest on this forum.
Another useful thing would be to convert real life profanities into more amusing or game/character appropriate curses. It could even do this randomly.
Changing a well known explicative like the f-word into something funny or even replace it with another word from the dictionary randomly would cause people to choose their words more carefully.
This topic looks like it is going to fruit some good ideas.
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=11816&boardid=13&styleid=3 (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=11816&boardid=13&styleid=3)
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How about a RP only chat channel? I think that would solve a lot of problems. Those that have connected to the RP chat channel can only see those that are talking in the channel. You can switch back and forth as you like. Does that sound like a good happy medium?
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one question.
If i keep my name as MercenaryVII or something similar would someone saying \"Hi Mercenary7\" have that deleted for l33ti5t comments
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instead of making a new chat or making a filter, make a server meant for and only for RPing and have another server for OOC chatting. This is just a thought though.
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The devs don\'t want to split the community up like that, arlodetl.
Merc: Chat filters won\'t be that strict, so don\'t worry. :P
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\"instead of making a new chat or making a filter, make a server meant for and only for RPing and have another server for OOC chatting. This is just a thought though.\"
I think the idea is that the entire game is mean to be for role playing. As for splitting the channels up into RP and non-RP, it still wouldnt stop idiots from saying things in the RP channel. I think a filter that changes offensive words into something else would be good.
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Yes I like this idea BUT who is to say that a new server will be available. I am going under the assumption of the original developers game model and that is there is only one server as of now.
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Well most of you seem to believe that n00b is a word for newbis, but it isn\'t.
newbies are people who are not used to PS, n00bs are braindead idiots who don\'t knw where they are.
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I all for removing leet-speak and Reallife topics, but i have a problem with banning the common abbrevations like lol,rofl, etc. They are needed to have a halfway decent conversation speed. I dont think you want to spend minutes on a 10 sentence conversation.
I also have a problem with people who overact in the other direction. For example the talk-like-old-english-but-not-quite people. You have to remember there will be a lot non-native english speakers around. They often have enough problems with modern day english. There is no need to make playing extra difficult for them.
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i still think you shouln\'t be able to talk to everybody online at once.
if i shout, people in the next house might hear me, but certainly not on the next street.
if you want to talk to people you can /who to see if they are online. en then /tell them what you want to tell them.
perhaps you should create groups where you can put people in to tell the whole group at once.
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Originally posted by Madouc
... perhaps you should create groups where you can put people in to tell the whole group at once.
Well on the main sites first connection guide it mentions a group talk command. Maybe the devs are thinking of putting some group commands in latter or what but having just looked at some of the CB screenshots it looks like some group stuff has been implemented. I would not know because I am not a tester :( and if I did I am sure I could not tell it ;)
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/shout should only talk to people in shouting distance, and prob will.
I think other \'/****ts\' that would be fun would be /whisper, /yell, /mumble, and /shriek; all with their own hearing radiuses.
Example:
Kwip walks into the bar and sees the boxum maid Trala. He stroles over to her.
Kwip /whispers Hi, beautiful.
Trala /smiles
Rajeena (Kwip\'s girlfriend), enters the doorway and /shrieks I TOLD YOU TO NEVER TALK TO HER AGAIN!
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Originally posted by Merdarion
Well most of you seem to believe that n00b is a word for newbis, but it isn\'t.
newbies are people who are not used to PS, n00bs are braindead idiots who don\'t knw where they are.
People use n00bs for almost everything.
Sometimes when I die in CoD other people say I\'m a \"n00b\" or \"noob\" or whatever they say. And even if I\'m a braindeath person dont call me noob but call my a braindeath person ok?
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I like the filter system, but instead of using the traditional \"one-word\" filtering system (changes all filtered words into one set word), I think the devs should make it choose random words and phrases so people don\'t know that the thing the person said was filtered. This would add to the realism of the game.
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It all depends on how the filtering system is integrated. It would make it harder to figure out what part of speech the word being filtered is being used in and then using a word or phrase in that same part of speech. But then if this is not done the filtered message might make little or no since.
[Edit] I have a girlfriend?! I am so happy :D !!! \"No do not break up with me becuase of the incident in Under the Moon\'s example\" ;( *Sigh* back to no girlfriend again :( [/Edit]
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Originally posted by Kwip
It all depends on how the filtering system is integrated. It would make it harder to figure out what part of speech the word being filtered is being used in and then using a word or phrase in that same part of speech. But then if this is not done the filtered message might make little or no since.
I was talking about swear words, not L33T... I don\'t know what we\'re gonna do with that.
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\"you think my spelling and grammer is bad!\"
-Zellgadess
*grammar *are bad
Sorry, I couldn\'t resist. :D
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Originally posted by Toadhead
People use n00bs for almost everything.
Well, I tried to use them as cupholders, but they didn\'t know what a cup is. ;)
AFAIK, \"newb\" is the abbreviation for \"newbie\", i.e. someone who is new, and it\'s not negative in any way.
\"n00b\" or \"noob\", OTOH is an insult, much like \"stupid idiot\".
Anyway, I agree with
- no 1337 in RP channels
- no modern slang in RP channels
- no OOC in RP channels
I don\'t agree with excessive censoring, because it doesn\'t work. We should have a minimum of censorship for the most common words, but that should be it, since ppl. will find ways around it if they really want to, and if not, they\'ll know from the moderate censoring that it\'s not wanted.
It is and always has been my opinion that we should have an OOC channel that can be switched on and off easily so that all chit-chat can go there and (most importantly), that any OOC chatter can be told off the RP channels most easily. It\'d be harder to tell them to usr IRC instead. However, this wish has been declined by the devs AFAIK, so there will be no OOC channel. Therefore, we ned to take all OOC to the /tell channels, which is fine for telling things about your char (like background info or other explanations).
We should not have any specific servers, since that would totally disrupt the persistant and complete environment / world concept.
We should allow moderate modern slang on the /tell channels, because they\'ll be used for OOC.
We should ban all modern slang from the normal say and shout channels, since they\'ll be used for IC only.
These bans should be enforced by moderate censorship (i.e., only the most common phrases) and the community / GMs (for less common / ambigous cases).
/report will do much good...
Abbreviations: I use these often, because IMO typing is painfully slow and highly inconvenient. However, I refrain from abbreviating words that are short already, like \"you\", but use abbreviations for phrases (like OTOH). This is an acceptable middle ground I think. While it is less pleasant for RP purposes, it serves good purpose, so the benefits outweigh the drawbacks IMO. On top of this, my usage of these depends on the speed the communication is going ATM (in RP environments), so if there isn\'t heavy communication I\'ll most likely not abbreviate anything (except very common RL abbreviations like \"i.e.\".).
@ MercenaryVII: While the filters and GMs may not be that strict on the numbers, your name itself isn\'t appropriate for RP. There has been an extensive discussion on that topic, and others and me took great effort and much time to explain why. It can be found by searching for \"inappropriate names\".
Edit: filters should block / change the words / phrases for everyone, including the poster. They should be serverside, except for an optional content filter that can be used to filter even the normal profanity and swear words (one of the dreaded \"adult content blockers\" that are abused to remove the burden of properly educating children from the parents...).
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perhaps we should not be able to use numbers in the chat window..
let them try to be one-thee-three-seven :D
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Nooo, don\'t make me type the numbers as words! seriously, it\'s so much hassle.
Or I\'m going to be I III III VII :P