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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: Black_rose on December 31, 2004, 11:43:15 am
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does anyone know? i am doing research into a bunch of religions to compare with what the catholic/christian bibles say about them also to compare with those bibles to see what they have in common.
i also need,
the jewish bible(don\'t know the name) in english
the christian and chrostian dirrivitive bibles(like catholic/protestent ect. ect.)
and whatever else you can get me,
also i am not doing this to critisize anyone, or to anger anyone but just so i can know what i can
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necronomicon is overated.. if interested in arcane necromancy and stuff just look up \"Grimoires\" (books like the necronomicon) at your librarys index site (don\'t know it then try http://www.libdex.com/ and type in the libraries name.. my library has 4 copies of the neronomicon and several other grimoires) also try http://www.questia.com/SM.qst
well have fun reading.. may also want to read about early druidism as it has a lot of ties of the curch of england and the early catholic church
and do you want any other religious texts i know of?
or other forms of the bible?
(if you mean what other just reliogious text then grab a pen.. as i could innondate you with titles and reading material XD however from what i have leanred so far my \"religious\" lean pretty far away *on another planet actualy* from orthdox)
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Have you gone to any religios book shops. Sometimes you find christian bookshops. I\'m not sure about the other religions. I am a Christian and I have a copy of our bible. If you need anything out of that just ask me and you will receive :).
I can tell you if you compare Christian\'s and Jehovah witnesses\'s bibles I can tell you woooaaahhh there is a lot of differance, But they still have stuff about the birth of jesus christ and the death and rise of him. :)
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lol somethimes find christian book shops? i don\'t know if its my geography *texas* or my bad luck.. but i find at least a church every block and a christian book store every major shopping area XD
lol ask me about orgone and how it relates to magnetism gravity and leylines with direct effect of creating extra-dimentional portals or some other esoteric science or masonic rituals (not stoneworking), neo-conservitive plots to create a NWO, anti-grav and free energy, montuak and HAARP weather control and i am your man :D christianity i used be all up on *when i was forced to be that is* but am not the best man for the job... way out there science and the fabric of the multi-verse *pick me!! :D*
basic christianity *you could ask me i know a lot about it.. but i generaly don\'t like it :/*
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The necronomicon is supposed to be the ranting of the mad arab! they are the ravings of him during the times when he contacted the demon plains and spoke to the great demons. It is a book which is supposed to explain how you can contact the demon plain and use them for yourself. It isnt a religious book of sorts, the only reason it can be classified as, is that it is listed as the books of the library of Crowther.
You could also use David Ike as inspiration, although the man clearly bases all his arguments on the TV show \'V\' its a good read. It helps understand other people\'s view of the world and how we interract with it.
I downloaded a copy of the major religious texts off of the internet and found quite a scary basic relationship between the points of the major religions i.e what they preach and what they require of their followers.
I back the idea of reading about the ancient religions as they have provided the basis for many religions of today.
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Well David Icke has quite a lot of basis in fact actualy.. one just needs to have read a lot of other paranormal material for any of it to make sense
(no matter what ALL books on paranormality have connections to each other.. unless the book is total crock for intance \"OMG is teh alieines!! and bigfeet!!\" crypto-zoology tied to hybrid experiments at S-4, S-4 tied to area 51, area 51 tied to government alliences with grey alien faction and all that tied to basic breeching of galactic laws {galactic laws tied to remote viewing and astral projection})
So basicaly everything is tied to everything else.. making it a very hard topic to research as one must know many things previously to understand it.. as just like mathmatics previously learned things build on themselves (addition is used in multiplication.. multiplication in division both of them in algebra and so on) knowledge is exponentially connected to knowledge all inventions have at least one other invention that spawned them.. just the light bulb required man to invent glass-blowing, harness electricity, manufacture textiles, and create a filement solution (knowledge of chemestry)
And Bard isn\'t it creepy though? The norse have \"hel\" the christians have \"hell\"
Ancient Egypt has \"Thoth\" christians have \"Christ\"
Also have you heard of the the possible location of the library of thoth? if a perfect exponential sprial is drawn around all of egypts momuments then it points to one spot!! (thoth god of knowledge.. knowledge being exponential.. coinky-dink? i am betting not ;)... )
don\'t even get me started on telsa\'s \"death ray\" and edgar cayce channel an atlantian \"death ray\" that both use electromagnetics to channel DoR (deadly orgone also negitive life energy) and how the chamber of thoth is suppost to hold all atlantian knowledge
Also didn\'t Aleister Crowley have some method of extra-dimmentional contact after exploring the ancient pyramids? (crowley was a madman however before he was driven insane his works had almost as much metaphor to etherality as the bible)
EDIT: sorry if this seems like random gibberish.. but my mind has had to adapt to the crazy mixed-up everything being connected nature of true science and knowledge XD so i tend to speak in riddles and puzzles about non-\"normal\" (what is normal anyway?) matters of the \"world\" (to understand the puzzle one must think like it i guess :/)
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Might want to check out this site, it might have some of what you were lookin\' for. http://www.sacred-texts.com
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That\'s a really deep matter I say... Necronomicon is not an important book, I think it\'s all fiction. Better look for some grimoires, like Foresteer said. If you really want to get deep, you will have to start reading like a crazy, and you\'ll have to be prepared to think and meditate about a lot of things... maybe you will end up changed after all that... And be careful, for there is too much stupid thing out there... There are many esoteric schools and all, and you have to get some experience before you can really tell what is good or real or what is false.
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Yeah seriosuly so many people trying to capitalize on the \"new age\" stuff... however once you spend some time in it you can deftly tell whats crap and whats not (i have had about a decade so.. woot! 10 years telling the \"system\" to shove it :P)
Also yeah you will hae to read a lot.. it took me approx 250 books read (on about every topic imagionable)before it even began to peice itself together. Also there is a lot of reading, thinking when not reading, thinking about what to read and just thinking random thoughts XD
Originally posted by yhevhe
If you really want to get deep, you will have to start reading like a crazy
Oh trust me i do.. as i am a crazy :P (a crazy what exactly i have no clue O.o)
I actualy started learning all this after an intence interest in history and then picking up \"The Chariots of the gods\" that had been mishelved at my library.. the rest is well \"history\" :D (funny how he greatest adventures are always started randomly and non-intentionaly {not mistakes mind you})
Also Norse mythology has a lot of good hints into the multi-verse and other dimmentions and wave-legths of reality (such as asgard, midgard, the world tree with 9 realms etc. not to mention that loki sure is a character ;).)
Not to mention a good read anyway with a lot of insight into englands (the anglo-saxsons mostly) base beliefs as they used to be inhabited by the norse
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yeah i got into this after watching a greek god show on the history channel (i know it\'s not always true on that channel but hey alot of it is) they compared a bit of the stories of greeks with modern gods, they also said that muslims(i think), islams, jews christians and dirivitives all have many things in common with their rules (some have other things but they all have certain stories) and their roots, but recently i saw on an abc news broadcast about the tsunami\'s saying that the hindu\'s have a christ-like god as well (forget wich one) i also want to compare norse mythology and greco-roman mythology
so anything on those.
mabye the original bibal before the middle ages, before they supposedly modified it, (changes that might have downplayed certain religions like {errrrrrrr i for get the name, wicka? don\'t think it\'s actualy peaghan})
(man that historychannel is rubbing off if i can remember all of this stuff 8o guess im not as dumb as i thought ;) )
also if that offended you don\'t take it hard that is what i heard from the history channel
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i saw that too :D they total forgot certian gods though :/ oh well.. its wicca and its a pagan religion ;)
and hahahah me? get offended? this manner of stuff is my life! (as is offending others >:D)
EDIT: i\'ll be glad to assist in any manner of knowledge you choose to pursue.. the \"wierd\" stuff is my main realm though XD
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I like the fact that the original bible was written nearly 2oo years after the \'birth of christ\' That kinda makes the ideals of it a little suspicious to me.
All I can say and no offence to any believers is that Christinaity seems to be a religion that has founded and flourished on the principles and stories of old religions. Jericho foir example. When the story in the bible states they rode round the walls blowing trumpets etc, there has been proof that the whole place was built on a fault line...so who\'s to say that on one day it just went. Hmm strange that or is it because he works in mysterious ways???
And Hell is what you make it I think. It is symbolised by endless suffering.
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Sorry, I meant madman, not just crazy :)
I also started with some of this thanks to my interest in history... and then some medieval looking games that had some magic, oh well.
Norse mythology is so interesting, you will want to read as many al you can. There is a book about rune magic that I bought some time ago, and it\'s still one of my favorites, i think the english title to be like \"Futhark: A Rune Magic Manual\" by Edred Thorsson. I recommend it. Also, after yo have read learned a little about norse myth, you may want to search about the relation between their religion and the other kinds of chamanism in the world.
Just be careful about what wicca think you get into, not everything is good or real or anything, many people just want the money of your pocket. As with anything...
I think the hindu christ like god you say may be Krshna? By the way, hindu religion, myths and history is very interesting. Reading Mahabarata, Ramayana, Vedas... it\'s so beautiful.
About Christianity... if one just watches it, you see that Christ does not need people to believe, respect or whatever those old stories, places, people... Most of the old stories come from the Jew tradition, and Jesus used them because, well, he lived amongst the Jews. He used Jew stories to illustrate many of his points, and used them as a vehicle for his teachings. Maybe if he was born in China, he would have used their stories with the same purpose. The Bible was written by the Greeks if I\'m not wrong, just a compilation of books with stories that contained moral lessons, and that served to explain, or reinforce what Jesus told. But, I just think that a religion is there to make people reach what they want, to be really happy, to have a good life, and afterlife, if that really exist; it\'s there too to make people leave the mundane ways of life they are leading, and to make them see and learn what is beyond. So, most of the time it does not really matters if this one existed or not, if that city was destroyed, or that person killed, what really matters is the teaching, and if that teaching is valuable or not, nothing more.
I think too that reading a lot and not doing a thing isn\'t really productive, there\'s a point where lecture doesn\'t give you anything more than you already know, so you have to investigate by yourself...
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This quote comes from an actual necromancer:
Originally written by Ashnook of OF
Ok, the most common question I get is \"Is the Necronomicon a fake?\". Well, yes an no. No, it is not some ancient tome written in the 700s. Yes it is a very powerful grimorie. It is loosely based on various mesopotamian sources, some fictional HP Lovecraft stuff, and a good story line. Many scholars make the claim that a lot of stuff in the book that is based on mesopotamian writings are very poorly translated....but from a magickian\'s point of view these mistranslations are clearly blinds in my honest opinion. The scholars point of view and the magickians will never agree.
http://www.amazon.com
The Necronomicon can be bought there somewhere, just search for it.
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Oh, also, if you\'re looking for religions based on necromancy, you\'ll want to research the Goetic spirits.
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Age Of Empires B****!! :P which lead to Age Of Mythology (I Am Atlantian, Gaia and would kick your butt XD). Of corse Ufology and leylines came first by about 7 years (religious study is to me a \"new\" thing {if you can call 2 years new.. its however the least of my study... i also read them to get insight into my true passion stable interplaner vortices})
Originaly posted by yhevhe
Sorry, I meant madman, not just crazy :)
Child.. i am both madman and crazy (according to my \"peers\" anyway) so its ok n_n
Also according to easthquake resonance.. earth may actuay be hollow! (before you say \"no way dewd!! thas un-pocciblel olololol\" the theory of it being total made of magma was made with late 1890\'s equipment and never questioned.. just like the theory that the earth is flat was made in the early 100\'s and never questioned)
As earth \"wobbles\" WAY to much in an earthquake for it to be a totaly solid mass (there are also an estimated 7 entrences to said inner earth according to the folklores of the world.. one in greece, one in the amazon, one in africa someplace, one in china.. the others i forgot XD) and the amazonian entrance is said to have been explored by the early people of the area.. which was reported to have \"dragons\" (a concept native south americans had never had.. so it wasn\'t based on europian dragons.. but still thier discription is the same.. coinky-dink? nope not at all)
and a large \"sun\" (funny the similarities to this game eh?)
and bunch more i forgot XD..
Nice and all but once i can get enough money O.o i can start working on buying some property on some MAJOR leyline intergections (like as many converging as possible) with a large underground water sorce (water is an orgone magnet) load it up with magnetite.. some orgone generators then rig up some highly focused SAGE radar waves.. and watch to see what happens (i know for possitve SOMETHING would happen.. what exactly i have no clue.. i am smart but no genius :P.. i guess the fabric or either this dimmention or reality itself would open up.. in either portal or vortex form.. or reality will inplode on itself causing a rift in space time blowing the solar system to hell XD nothing risked nothing earned i guess :/) of corse anything could happen trees could animate, aliens could land, diaboli would run from their sulfur-world (that would own as much as safe dimmertion travel.. as i like me some demoness *lecher smiley here*),a huge force-feild could materialize.. it all depends on the wavelength of the SAGE waves and where they are pointed in reletion to the ley-lines and orgone generators
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Leylines, ah one of the most useful guides to understand the flow of energy through our earth. Ive also heard the stories about the world being hollow.
What I would like to know is if the amount of people on this pebble in the valley of the mountains is exponentially increasing how come theorist claim that the mass of the earth remains a constant? WTF?!
And another point Id like clarifying if possible:
All the ancient sites around the world have been shown to provide similar responses to certain frequencies, and are alligned to certain astrological times. Here is the question/ point if our ancestors were \'neolithic\' or technoloigcally able to do these things, how\'d they do em?
The influence of SAGE research has increased over the years thanks to people like ourselves who question the actions of scientists...If I had the money I would help with the research as like you I believe that to be as \'advanced\' as we are there would have had to be other input!
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ahh yes i would just love the HELL out of exploring an inner earth or other-world (heck even a time vortice could be made if leylines where tripped off properly)
And Bardialus you cheeky monkey! You\'ve read Peter Moon\'s work haven\'t you? about sage radar, philelphia project and the whole montauk \"chair\" (capable of taking human thought and turning it into radiosonde capable of doing the \"impossible\" kinda like amping the human pyshic ability a million times)
And i have been thinking about it.. couldn\'t an inner earth sun be some form on free energy n-device (energy reverberating off itself)? it wouldn\'t have radiation and could output light enough to light a \"cavern\" of the size we are talking about... plus one of the alleged entrences to \"inner earth\" is near nazca where its stated \"nordics\" where around (hence why the incans though the spanish being white where gods.. an old memory of the benovlent nords) and they not only being peacful but happy to help others could have easily lighted the whole place like a christmas tree
and also i have been reading and studining a lot and i found that all ancient sites with paranormal or extra-planar tendencies have A. MANY leylines crossing B. Large iron rich water deposits underground and C. magentite by the arse-load (water conducts and absorbs orgone.. metal is magnetic as orgone is electro-magnetics its a match made in heaven.. leylines are the electromagnetism that covers earth.. and magnetite is loadstone so :P and SAGE basicaly IS radiosonde isn\'t it?)
And since in physics magnetism is suppost to be \"bends\" in the flow of reality a TON of electromegnetism could just start to blur the lines between dimmention (mayhap an inter-dimmentional (maybe even inter-spacial) \"star-gate\" {that show owns BTW} could be build on such a priciple once more is learned about this)
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Originally posted by Bardialus
What I would like to know is if the amount of people on this pebble in the valley of the mountains is exponentially increasing how come theorist claim that the mass of the earth remains a constant? WTF?!
Law of Conservation of Matter: Matter can neither be created or destroyed, the outcome has to equal the input ... i guess that explains that... maybe some... dang it im stupid aint i?
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well i do not actually agree that the mass is a constant due to escaping gasses, but matter could not be destroyed to my knowledge accept by transforming it into energy (atom bomb?{the splitting of an atom releases massive energy)
edit: wait a sec humans are made of trillions upon trillions of atoms so theoreticly we could blow up the earth with a human 8o
2nd edit: just to challange the philosophy of catistrophic changes due to time travel, i think that if we go back in time it would change nothing, but then again, if you go back in time and kill your self...... hmmmmmmmmmmmm ;) i wonder
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Originally posted by Black_rose
well i do not actually agree that the mass is a constant due to escaping gasses, but matter could not be destroyed to my knowledge accept by transforming it into energy (atom bomb?{the splitting of an atom releases massive energy)
edit: wait a sec humans are made of trillions upon trillions of atoms so theoreticly we could blow up the earth with a human 8o
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atom bomb has one atom in it that is unstable.. you do that to every atom in the human body and ill doubt you\'d have a human body :) and taking time to destablize all those atoms? be better to expose yourself to INTENSE radiation and run through a town :)
escaping gasses? we have escaping gasses? i thought we had an o-zone to control that, damn o-zone hole! ehe :)
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or we could destabilize the atoms through nano-tech when that is developed, one nano bot could detonate the entire worlf 8o , wait how did this turn to a physics conversation?
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nanobots? they had those.. in the 1500\'s it was sweet back then... lost technology, how else do you think in medieval games all armor fits everyone, nanobots! see... coming to light is it?
anyway... back to topic! this way folks -->
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Actualy if you traveled back in time it wouldn\'t do anything really :/ you could kill you father rape you mother (as freud said you always wanted to) shoot the president gun down alexander great or anything else you can image XD as you are in a different quantum possiblity I.E.
PAST
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NOW
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FUTURE
But if i travel from now to past then
*1PAST
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*1Fut.-----*2Fut.
*1 is the \"old timeline\" the timeline i just left
*2 the \"new timeline\" i created by going in the past.. my very being there makes it differnet and lo and behold a new quantum possiblity
Both timelines share the same PAST but not the same\"nows\" and \"futures\" as since you stepped in you created a different \"quantum dimmention\" like when i chose to ue the word \"dimmention\" instead of \"realm\" on another quantum level \"another me\" on another timeline chose to use the word \"realm\" I.E. there are quantum possbilities where hitler owned us in WW2, The library of alexandria never burned and we are 500 years ahead of ourselves in this possiblity, and where america lost its revolutionary war.. we don\'t live them we are in this possiblity.. when you go back however you are creating a new reality where its your sandbox to tinker with.. karma alone dictats your actions.. will you build it up or tear it down? (also make sure you log EXACTLY from whence you came cuz you may never find your \"home quantum\" if you get lost.. you may be forced to live in the quantum of your creation.. FOREVER) so in short go ahead kill yourslef in the \"past\" as that past is beyond the shared\"past\" of the timelines.. so when you got back you\'d have an interesting coverstaion peice to bring back (your own corpse.. hows that for a trophy O.o?)
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I think this is turning into a conversation abput all types of stuff, its good to know that there are people out there like me who see an idea and run with it.
Im pretty certain that going back in time and killing yourself would create a paradox in the space time continum?! After all if youre dead in the past surely you cant be there in the future can you?!
and yes I have read Peter Moon\'s work, I feel it is important to read material whihc challenges the way you think about the envoironment in which you live or at least exist.
Another point about sound frequencies: If you stand in the centre of stone henge and start speaking, then those within the circle of stones can hear you, but anyone outside cannot! Im sure those old guys and gals knew something that we dont...oh wait they were druids werent they? so no one will ever know what they did! bummer :(
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well not really as you would be in a seperate dimmention.. i still wouldn\'t recommend trying it though :/ at least jump dimmentions THEN time fi you must... Also there are survivng druids around to this day.. very few reals one as most are hippes but there are a few \"true\" druids left
And i take ideas and try to connect them to other ideas.. its always amazing what happens when you think i term of everything connected instead of \"ok this is history.. having nothing to do with science or math\" like we where taght in school.. but instead think in terms of \"Ok this is history.. science has effected it but also quantum physics affects them both.. and all of them are based on math\" you find many thing you would thinking \"inside the box\" and i was curious what if the stonehenge was built that was to keep IN waves (not just sound) to maximize an effect from a SAGE-type wave? becuase stonehenge is on like 4? (3 or 4 i forget) leylines near tons of magnetite has large iron rich water deposits under it.. its basicaly sceaming to rend dimmentional barriers with a few orgone generators, some radiosonde and SAGE.. who knows.. maybe that was its original purpose was all along O.o
EDIT: Originally posted by Black_rose
or we could destabilize the atoms through nano-tech when that is developed, one nano bot could detonate the entire worlf 8o , wait how did this turn to a physics conversation?
and just WTH?! nanobots even if they exsisted could NOT destablize and atom.. for 2 VERY big (or small) reasons.. one Nanotech is suppost to smaller then cells not atoms.. as th nano-tech itself is made of atoms.. secondly how on earth would a tiny robot set of a nuclear blast? i meant even if it was the size of my fist it could.. but on a nano levels it can\'t... so no nano human nuking robots are ever gonna happen.. so if you where actualy worried about that then you can sleep well at night :P
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well ifthe theory is wrong then you could end up killing the universe :D
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Actualy somebody who jumped back in time at the very worst would be lost there forever... the space-time continium has fail-safes of its own you know ;) (this is a multi-verse.. not a universe.. therefore we can\'t \"break\" time very easy.. in fact i don\'t think we could even if we tried.. the worst that could happen is the person trying to change time gets lost.. or just ceases to be... so at the abolute crap-hits-the-fan we could only affect one person at a time.. in the present not the past)