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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: confused on January 02, 2005, 08:48:37 pm

Title: Give the noob a pickaxe
Post by: confused on January 02, 2005, 08:48:37 pm: Boy, being a noob is difficult, dying many times trying to kill rats to be able to get some money to buy a pickaxe.
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Post by: diabolus on January 02, 2005, 09:00:30 pm: lol, and then you realise it\'s easier to make money by simply killing rats [14 trias per rat vs 6 trias for gold ore i believe]. With the new \'you can not dig here twice in a row\" system, rat killing looks alot easier :P
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Post by: elscouta on January 02, 2005, 09:06:44 pm: diabolus: WHAT?? 8o
You are plain crazy. With mining before you got trias at insane rate (like 4000 trias/hours average) With the new system, it drops to 3000 trias/hours. can you kill enough rats per hour to do this? Think that digging an ore takes 5~10 seconds and waiting a rats to respawn takes much longer (killing it is also required ;) ). And i don\'t even speak of the over-crowding of sewers problem that looks to be less important now that almost everyone knows that mining is jackpot.

Note: do they have increased the value of the loot to reach 14 trias? Still not profitable.
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Post by: Moogie on January 02, 2005, 09:29:13 pm: I hear Platinum ore is even more valuable than gold. The question is, can you find where to dig for it... :)
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Post by: elscouta on January 02, 2005, 09:33:46 pm: Hint: and have you the luck that no bugs prevent you to come to this place :rolleyes:

Note: my calculations were done using platinum. But the ratio between rat looting and mining is so high that even iron would slaughter it.
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Post by: Couatl on January 02, 2005, 09:42:34 pm: I guess it is kind of hard for some of the people to get the iron or platinum if they are one of the door intolerant races, since the only other way hurts.. bad.
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Post by: diabolus on January 02, 2005, 09:51:05 pm: Quote

You are plain crazy. With mining before you got trias at insane rate (like 4000 trias/hours average) With the new system, it drops to 3000 trias/hours.

I assume that rate only occurs once you have how many points invested in mining? I have 2 progression points in mining and only get 1 ore every 7-9 dig sessions. That mean i have to move around on top of that [even if i failed!] . So you have to assume i\'ve not reached whatever level it is that you gain an ore EVERY SINGLE DIG. Although i agree even 3000 trias/hour is too much, but that, imho, is a flaw in the dig system (probably to test it). Some told me 1 level in mining is enough to pull that off...something tells me it won\'t remain like that? Imagine if you need 100 levels to have 100% dig success?

It\'s not laziness , it\'s just annoying. Plus you have to consider the -only- way to get progression points in the first place is to kill rats. With the overcrowding in the sewers and the good probability that you will use progression points on OTHER skills first [i.e. sword] it means most of us newbies won\'t be digging gold at the rate you mentioned anytime soon.

Or am i missing something? Clearly people got chars from a previous server and skipped the newbie stage and assume a bit much?
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Post by: dragonfire999 on January 02, 2005, 09:51:28 pm: hint hint
platinum is found where crystal searchers used to lurk :rolleyes:
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Post by: elscouta on January 02, 2005, 10:50:18 pm: Quote
I assume that rate only occurs once you have how many points invested in mining?

you need level 1 to get very decent rate (~ 50%) at iron, level 2 to get 100% at gold, and level 4 to get 100% platinum. This isn\'t much... And don\'t worry, the little gold you invest is quickly gained back. I\'m myself at level 4 (never failed a single mining attempt, so level 5 will wait i got max in all magic ways :D)

Note: in the order, the wealthy one gave gold to the poor ones so we all get insane revenue very quickly, then gave back the money we received, that became insignifiant anyway - what is 100 gold with such amount of money...

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the good probability that you will use progression points on OTHER skills first [i.e. sword] it means most of us newbies won\'t be digging gold at the rate you mentioned anytime soon.

If you have wasted any point in sword before getting at least level 2 in mining, you have made the biggest error you could. Because increasing your sword skill won\'t really improve your rat killing (spawn time) while getting level 1 in mining already make mining very profitable. (25~33 % success on gold)

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That mean i have to move around on top of that [even if i failed!]

BUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG !!!!!! :P
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Post by: diabolus on January 02, 2005, 11:19:28 pm: Quote

If you have wasted any point in sword before getting at least level 2 in mining, you have made the biggest error you could. Because increasing your sword skill won\'t really improve your rat killing (spawn time) while getting level 1 in mining already make mining very profitable. (25~33 % success on gold)

Yes well, putting all your points in mining is probably the last thing on a newbie\'s mind considering a single rat takes my HP down by 50% [2 rats kill me]. In the end, if there\'s enough rats you spend more time healing than waiting for the spawn.

But guess i\'l take that in consideration now that i wasted most of my points :P

Btw when you talk about \"levels\" i assume you refer to putting something like 8 progression points into a skill? How many progression points to get to level 2 mining?
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Post by: Mezasa on January 03, 2005, 12:52:31 am: I\'m guessing 2 >_<
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Post by: John_Thazer on January 03, 2005, 02:25:44 am: Quote
Originally posted by confused
Boy, being a noob is difficult, dying many times trying to kill rats to be able to get some money to buy a pickaxe.

Indeed it\'s hard...if you didn\'t had MB character and even if you did you didn\'t transfer the money to CB...

But what you get when starting with no money...take my second character, a rat kills him in 4 hits...with no chance of killing the rat by yourself...:P..hard but that\'s life...
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Post by: Myrtl on January 03, 2005, 04:24:36 am: Ya its pretty anoying... my friend is supposed to be a mage but he has no spells. Since he doesnt have magic he cant kill anything becuase all his stats are for magic! :P

P.S: Tell me where to mine for platinum :)

EDIT: Taser is the platinum in the dungeon??? :))
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Post by: confused on January 03, 2005, 05:32:45 am: Arg no!

You guys are debating platinium, while noobs struggle just to earn some money just to buy a pickaxe.

I have been killed everytime by a rat not using nothing but empty hands. This is starting to get very boring dying constantly without a single success.

How many times one must die to get enough rats killed (how many) to beable to get 100t to buy a pickaxe.

Seeing I can only play on my friends PC while I await for the Linux binaries, I don\'t get much time to play.
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Post by: bbum on January 03, 2005, 06:22:45 am: :D :D :D
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Post by: ramlambmoo on January 03, 2005, 06:52:57 am: mining is way more profitable....... i get ~4000 tria an hour mining platinum, 2000 an hour gold. Plus gold ore dosnt attack you, like rats do, and nobody will steal your gold ore when you\'ve got it 90% out of the ground :P.
Plus, mining is a repatitve action so you can use..... helpers, if you know what i mean.
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Post by: confused on January 03, 2005, 05:01:09 pm: No MB characters, so have to start from scratch.

Rats impossible to kill barehanded, that does not sound good at all!
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Post by: John_Thazer on January 03, 2005, 06:31:15 pm: Quote
Originally posted by confused
No MB characters, so have to start from scratch.

Rats impossible to kill barehanded, that does not sound good at all!

Try to get some money off people...:P...whenever I am online with my rich character...I would always help a person to buy a sword or whatever...:P
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Post by: confused on January 03, 2005, 06:36:08 pm: I give it a shot! Now to think up some wonderfull stories of misery for the folks!
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Post by: John_Thazer on January 03, 2005, 06:37:47 pm: Quote
Originally posted by confused
I give it a shot! Now to think up some wonderfull stories of misery for the folks!

Try: \"I BEEN BORN POOR...DON\'T LET ME DIE POOR, HELP ME AND BREAK THE CIRCLE OF POVETY!!\"
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Post by: DepthBlade on January 03, 2005, 06:39:27 pm: Bah I weild two swords as a Ynwnn and hit 12+ on rats per hit ^^ If you need trias I will certainly lend some out although ( I can\'t give it to you if you are a \"Evil\" character ^^)
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Post by: confused on January 03, 2005, 06:41:19 pm: I doubt PS currently support squarting model positions with a hat in hand for begging.

Arg, I probably only get a change to play again on the weekend.
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Post by: confused on January 03, 2005, 06:42:21 pm: Don\'t forget the patch over the eye!
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Post by: confused on January 03, 2005, 06:43:21 pm: What is evil? I am confused!
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Post by: Exaero_Fiero on January 03, 2005, 08:56:49 pm: Edit your posts.
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Post by: 2old on January 03, 2005, 10:38:04 pm: Killing rats as a noob is not all that hard. I have only died once (and I have made the char as a magic user so low str and end) and use my barehands only.....

I find that I need to adjust my attack style to accomodate how I am doing - sometimes go to attack 5 to regain some health then back to 4 or 3. I also find that some rate are harder thanothers - if I am not hitting the rat I hit the bolt and find an easier one.
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Post by: Merdarion on January 04, 2005, 02:22:10 am: Quote
How many times one must die to get enough rats killed (how many) to beable to get 100t to buy a pickaxe.

Well lets assume that you manage ti kill every tenth rat.
You need 15 rats to get hundred trias.

Well if i am right you will have to die 135 times.

But well there is a very simple way of killing each rat and maybe even a gobble, if you team up.

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Killing rats as a noob is not all that hard. I have only died once (and I have made the char as a magic user so low str and end) and use my barehands only.....

I find that I need to adjust my attack style to accomodate how I am doing - sometimes go to attack 5 to regain some health then back to 4 or 3. I also find that some rate are harder thanothers - if I am not hitting the rat I hit the bolt and find an easier one.

Thats good. You are really impressing me, well with age comes patience I pressume.
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Post by: 2old on January 04, 2005, 04:09:27 am: :D
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Post by: Themerion on January 04, 2005, 10:25:04 pm: Why wouldn\'t the game creators add some more way to gain progression points then!? Even if you have gotten a 100 trias for a pick, mining does still not make you level up! What is needed is a n00b-quest where you can get a pick without paying any money, and mabye one skill in mining...
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Post by: Mezasa on January 04, 2005, 10:45:51 pm: Once again Themorian, this is still a tech demo. This isn\'t a final release, they will add things, but we waited a over a year just to get combat, so, yea...
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Post by: Themerion on January 04, 2005, 10:50:51 pm: Still, it couldn\'t be that hard adding some more monsters... One weak insect or anything! Someone so weak that highly skilled players won\'t bother killing them!
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Post by: Mezasa on January 04, 2005, 10:54:12 pm: Like.... Rats ;)

I see what your saying though. Hell, they could be working on it now, I dunno, but I never had problems killing rats. Either that, or we got in groups and killed a gobble. I\'m not saying there isn\'t overcrowding, I guess I just got lucky :/
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Post by: Xen on January 05, 2005, 05:16:06 am: i mine platinum, it is very profitable 12 tria each and it doesnt take long to find 10 pieces which means you could get rich very fast 10x12 = 120 that means a pick axe for every 10 ore and you have 20 left over (i can do it very quick and i have mining level 0!)

and im not going to tell you where you can mine it but the hint you got already is more than i got when i found it
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Post by: confused on January 05, 2005, 05:38:32 am: Rats and limited play time = BIG PROBLEM.

I now trying to install a Linux version by using the provided script.
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Post by: Exaero_Fiero on January 05, 2005, 05:46:13 am: Quote
Originally posted by Xen
i mine platinum, it is very profitable 12 tria each and it doesnt take long to find 10 pieces which means you could get rich very fast 10x12 = 120 that means a pick axe for every 10 ore and you have 20 left over (i can do it very quick and i have mining level 0!)

Wouldn\'t you need a pick axe to START mining?