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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: Noctis Lamnia on January 02, 2005, 09:02:38 pm
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Apparently, the ALA thinks so.
http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedbooksweek/bbwlinks/100mostfrequently.htm
Most of that page is bull. According to them, James and the Giant Peach is worse for children than the Anarchist\'s Cookbook.
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How is harry potter worse than the cook book?
I love that book :) EDIT as in anarchists cook book
Anyone ever tried the hypnotising thing? Iv never succeded though iv tried a lot.
Not that I own the book.....>.> <.< >.> *runs away*
EDIT EDIT do you realize how many of the books on the list have to do with gays and homosexuality? Dude these poeple should get their buts kicked for this list.
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did i meation how much i H A T E conservitives? i would rather have every game i own be over-run with \"punk-sk8r-hoobatankpwns-juulolololo!!11one-dewds\" then have those people run things (and i hate dewds more then the average human can even think of..) America was GREAT best country on earth (both roosavelts teddy and franklin are the flag wavers the true american spirit that has been lost thanks to these people) till the great \"conservitive backlash\" (i thought we drove all the conservitive \"loyalists\" out in the revolutionary war :/.. i coulda swore we did?) but up until about 1960 we did fine with them.. but like the tar in the proverbial cog evertualy we got bogged down.. the machine as america will evetualy break if these people are allowed to continue on such a major scale (i talking right to your hate-filled white affulent butts O\'reily/Limbuagh/Fox /Coulter/Cheney.. i am coming for all of you bwahahahahha!)
\"Save a tree pull up a bush\"
Read the cookbook and learn to resist (we would have had a movement if the generation under us didn\'t go MTV \"punk-sk8r-4n4rchist-h4x0r\" and stopped caring about what happens to anybody but themselves.. come on when the patriot act got passed who the hell resisted?)
Banning books is the first step to \"thought-police\".. and \"tought-police\" ARE conservites, i will see anybody who tries to restrict the knowledge and insight of MY human race burn and rot.... by my own hand if need be >:D
(heheh kind of a rant but i just hated everything that linked stood for.. as it reminded me how much these loonies have taken over :/)
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list is a bunch of bull... half of the top the top 10 i have to read this year in my english class... well two of them..
i read chocolate war last year in my english class, during reading time... funny, funny book... hehe...
any my class just finished Adventures of Huckleberry Finn... considered a classic...
To Kill a Mockingbird? i read that 9th grade year :p
The Outsiders? 9th grade
still funny James and the Giant Peach? we\'re talking 1st-2nd grade
Where\'s Waldo??!?! I still love those
Huck Fin and Mice and Men i have to read for my English III Honors class :P
lists like this make me laugh?
i live in Florida? does that mean anything? we\'re so under priviliged...
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*breaks down laughing*
*realizes these book-banning people are serious*
*sighs*
It ain\'t the books, it\'s who gets the books. Why can\'t people just be good parents without resorting to legislation?
Foresteer: It\'s that frickin\' \"All conservatives R teh EbiL BIBLE THUMPE$RZ!!!\" attitude that forces me to be conservative. I am slightly conservative because I am not liberal, and I could never fully embrace that method of thinking.
That is what loses elections.
Centrism is God. Extremists suck. Anarchists have no idea of the implications of what they want to do...
*ahem*
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If they EVER. EVER. EVER. Took away \"I know why the caged bird sings\" I would seriously lose all faith in humanity.
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Have you seen what little kids watch on TV things like Beyblade, Transformers, Dragon Ball Z, and junky shows like that well none of them are educational and have nothing to do with real life. I think if people came up with a list of uneducational shows almost all of those Japanese made ones would be one the list!!!!
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The Japanese may have invented anime, but we so totally outdid them by making reality TV. :D :P
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PBS! only good station for kid shows, i loved it back in the day...
what popular shows/cartoons can you name that do promote learning...
cartoon network has no educational shows whatsoever... only good part is adult swim... ATHF, family guy and futurama! :)
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Originally posted by verideon
Have you seen what little kids watch on TV things like Beyblade, Transformers, Dragon Ball Z, and junky shows like that well none of them are educational and have nothing to do with real life. I think if people came up with a list of uneducational shows almost all of those Japanese made ones would be one the list!!!!
HEY!! Some animes are pretty cool (Heavy Metal Alchemist, Inuyasha, etc.).
:P
If someone didn\'t realize it, DO NOT do ANYTHING in the Anarchist\'s Cookbook.
Half the recipes will blow your head off as soon as they\'re mixed, and the other half will blow your head off from a pebble dropping into the mixture.
It would be safer throwing a vial of nitro-glyceren around than doing some of the things in the Anarchist\'s Cookbook.
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jeez i dont even remember who out presidents is...oh wait its johno...oh wait he is a prime minister.
see tv really annoys me especially with all this japanese and american shows and whatever else. so i just dont watch it. i watch a little bit of tv sometimes once in every 2 days.
so the bottom line is i dont listen to media, some political wanker who gets paid to do some speach or some book banners :D.
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Originally posted by Monketh
Foresteer: It\'s that frickin\' \"All conservatives R teh EbiL BIBLE THUMPE$RZ!!!\" attitude that forces me to be conservative. I am slightly conservative because I am not liberal, and I could never fully embrace that method of thinking.
\"You Flame to the left you flame to the Right.. I am unaffected as i stand in the middle\" -me
;) if i was a liberal i just may have been hurt... also don\'t let other people choose*force* your political sway.. You don\'t have to be conservitive just to not be liberal O.o or did Libertarians, Greens and Independants drop off the face of the earth?
(Independant\'s are really just another flavor of republican but whatever... Why did nader lose it? that man used to own neo-con polluting butt.. Nader, Nader, Nader.. what happened to our green gladiator?:( )
Also did i have a HUUUUUUGE memory lapse or did i never say anything about bible-thumping? OH WAIT! You assumed that part ;) *thats a problem on your end not mine :/* (also a person who assumes is an ;) )
Religion is a valid form of expression that though i am not a part of it i feel it has every right to exsist (however every religion is just as valid.. a mosque or temple is just as american as a stepled bell-ringing church.. i didn\'t say it your forefathers said it..)
Now all things in moderation people like jerry falwel who think women should not lead a church and that the church should BE government should just move to Iran they already have his dream finished there :D
Also on a note of christianity i find such campains as \"taking the government back for god\" INCREASINGLY hilarious as the government never belonged to a christian god... or any god for that matter (christians aren\'t bad.. but their leaders can be koo-koo some times XD)
(founding fathers stated as much in their treaties with the barbary states after they smacked them upside the bum a few times *the \"from the halls of montazema to the shores of Tripoly\" in the marines songs refer to the first american use of marines and the birth of that corpe after then landed to stop piracy on american ships* in said treaties the nations who harbored the pirates feared america was there to shove religion on them as other europian nation did at that time in history and would only surrender if they where allowed to keep thier ways of life *understandably so* and so america stated \"America is not and never will be a christian or other one religioned state\")
In closing
\"I stand in the middle i shake my fists at both sides\" -somebody not me who i don\'t know the name of
\"The further right you go the further left you end up.. The further left you go the further right you will find yourself\" -i am a dunce and forgot this persons name as well
Ciao! :D
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i was saddended that my main man Nader didn\'t get anymore votes :(
if you\'re feeling special.... <.< >.> <.< ... go communist or socialist... they\'re always fun :)
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http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/nader.php
Watch it.. nothing else really needs to be said :D
\"I WILL PWN TEH US OF A!!!!\" \"Tr33s Ar3 Teh Aws3ome!!\" so funny.. give em hell nader! (i like the states changing color that is cool :P)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/neckromaester/untitled1.jpg)
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Originally posted by Noctis Lamnia
If someone didn\'t realize it, DO NOT do ANYTHING in the Anarchist\'s Cookbook.
Half the recipes will blow your head off as soon as they\'re mixed, and the other half will blow your head off from a pebble dropping into the mixture.
It would be safer throwing a vial of nitro-glyceren around than doing some of the things in the Anarchist\'s Cookbook.
That\'s what makes it so fun!
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hardy har har
Personally, I like my fingers very much.
I\'ll just stick to the safer recipes I know, thank you very much!
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people like that are stupid ass holes of whom are just slowing the progression of the human mental capasity, seriously, let us check a seris of events.
this is a play starring little jimmy(lj) jimmy\'s mom(jm) and little tommy (jimmies friend)(lt)
lj- mommy, what is a gun?
jm- do not talk about guns as all they do is kill! never go near one or learn about them!!!!
lj- ok mommy, im going to tommies house
*lj gets to lt\'s home*
lj- hi tommy!!!!!!!
lt- look what i found!
lj- what is it????
lt- i don\'t know but it looks like a squirt gun
*bang*
or........
lj- mommy what is a gun?
jm- a gun is a tool that has helped man kind but it is verry dangerous if you do not know how to use it, they look like water squirters and you should never play with one without know how to use them and proper safety procoutions.
lj- ok mommy im going over to tommies
jm- ok jimmy
lj- hi tommy!!!!
lt- hey look at this!, what is it????
lj- that is a gun, put it down now!!! and tell someone you found it and did not know what to do with it.
the kid does not die :]
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People are reaql dumbasses. SOrry to say it but it had to be said. Like this parental advisory bs on cds.
Stupid lazy moms who didnt take the time to know what their kids where listening to slapped this on to make it easyer to get angry at their kids. If you dont like the music, dont listen. And this bs about gays being a bad influence. Banning books from librarys etc. THre people too! We should invent a gay making gun and make all the gay hater people gay. That\'ll teach em. And heres more. Gay marrige is not allowed in the US. WHY!!! WHo cares if gays get married or not! If you\'re not gay then how would effect you? That\'s right it doesnt! Damn leave these people alone. One more thing, racism. For the slightest comment people will call eachother racist. A gguy accused of my teacher being raqcist for calling on orintals when half the friggin class was korean!
To tell you the truth though, no one isnt racist until you dont see colors at all (in a mental way). Like the whole american slaves thing. A person not racist wouldnt see whites whipping blacks, they would see a man whipping another man and thats all. Now, being ravcist as in seperating groups is commen in all of us, but thats not as bad. The real bad thing is when people think a black man is a criminal for being black! WTF does being black have to do with anything at all? Im gonna tie a black man to me and go shop lifting. When the alarm goes off theyll grab him instead of me first. I garentee it.
Finally. The way people dress. Now im not all \"ganta\" but I do wear baggy jeans. Security people will stare me down at school for what I wear but guess what. Im an A/B student, iv never smoked anything, and iv never been drunk.
So will these people stop being so retarded and fix how they are? No. You know why? There too stubborn to change the world for the better. Same goes with polution. Where all gonna die from global warming but does anyone care? NO! You know why? Their to lazy to get their asses up and trade in their huge Hummers for ecop friendly cars. Because they really need to take up one and a half lanes and get 9 miles to the gallon or they wont feel secure.
The whole world needs its ass kicked.
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in one word, no. I rather liked james and the giant peach when I first saw it at age 6, I still like the animation and such now. Wow, kids nowadays must be true weaksauce, I have read most of those boks, and the adventures of huckleberry fin! what, that\'s an american classic, and of mice and men, catcher in the rye? I admit, some of those books may not be approprite for kids, like the joy of gay sex, I wouldn\'t want one of my kids reading that till they where much older than 8, but most of those are good books, and good reading at that, some more examples of good literature that are on the list: a wrinle in time, read the whole series by the time I was 9. To kill a mockingbird, read that by age 12, good literature. Lord of the Flies! I LOVE that book, then again I am weird, but it is still a good book. The adventures of tom sawyer? again, classic literature, need I say more? Kids need to read more I think, and saying classic literature is bad is not the way to go.
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Thats it I got it! These books disagree with laws of the US. Such as gay marrige, theft, nudism, sex, etc.
The librarys ban them because they\'re \"agaist the law\".
Screw that.
You guys should always stand up for what you belive in. Speaking of which. Ill make a thread thatll make you open your eyes a little. Hope to post it soon. Im in the middle of hw =/
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Whoa, hold the phone a minute. You all realise that this is a list of most frequently challenged books, not actually banned books, right? Also, if you read the PDFs for 2000-2003, the main challenger is parents challening their kids school on the appropriateness of whatever books they\'re particulary concerned with. Religious groups, other lobby groups and everyone else plays a very small part in the flood of challenges (although they possibly carry more weight)
In a society where you\'re not fully priveleged until the age of majority, parents have the right to choose what values they wish to teach their children. Forcing one set of values through either mandatory public education or some other kind of \"thought control\" method (for instance, banning books to the general public) will lead to persecution of some kind, whether racial/anti-racial, religious or anti-religious, political, or otherwise.
There is probably no one person who would even want to ban half this list. Saying \"People who think Harry Potter is evil are stupid and should die\" is pretty weak- but we all need to be free to make statements for and against.
Thats it I got it! These books disagree with laws of the US. Such as gay marrige, theft, nudism, sex, etc.
Dude? Sex is against the law in the US? Wow :)
Seriously though, when it comes to public schools I think parents have every right to have their concerns heard and considered, especially in schools for younger children.
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Well, I don\'t think parents have the right to control OUR lives. We\'re old enough to make our own decisions, and nothing my parents say will stop me from reading \"The Necronomicon\" or \"The Goetic Spirits\".
The point I\'m trying to make is that the more parents try to control us, the more we will fight them. We\'re gonna do whatever the hell we want, whether people say it\'s right or wrong.
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Well keep in mind that the kids that do get turned loose by parents are 80% of the drug dealers and overall nobodies. Thats no lie. Most kids lack the understanding of any freedom and often let it go to waste by joining crime and indulging in every selfless urge they get. I\'m not ignorant, nor blind because I know the people, live with the people and see the people every day. It\'s not pretty when kids are just set loose by their parents. Without restraint the human mind turns to filth.
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Yeah, you\'re pretty much right.
I\'m still gonna hate my parents, though.
And the government.
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Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
We should invent a gay making gun and make all the gay hater people gay.
To the first part:
I think instead we should wrap rocks with paper, light them, and fling them at their houses.
Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
The world needs its ass kicked.
I\'m working on it. These things take time, you know.
As to the book list:
it sucks. I mean, Cujo?! I loved that big rabid beast...\'Curses, Hexes, and Spells\' sounds a bit reasonable but I don\'t see how Where\'s Waldo made the list...
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I agree.
Where\'s Waldo? is freaking PICTURE BOOK, for ******\'s sake!
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Yeah. My favourite one was in this book one of the pages had a castle fight going on. And there was hot soup being poured on guys on the ladders and guys being catapulted at the castle etc. etc.
I never did find Waldo there. Too distracted by the awesomeness.
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Originally posted by Cybio Kingfist
Yeah. My favourite one was in this book one of the pages had a castle fight going on. And there was hot soup being poured on guys on the ladders and guys being catapulted at the castle etc. etc.
I never did find Waldo there. Too distracted by the awesomeness.
lol
Maybe that\'s why the book is on the \"naughty\" list.
XD
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Maybe it\'s because the people who made that list were a bunch of tightwads that were beaten as children.
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thank god i dont live in the US... James and the giant peach is hugely loved over here...same with all the books by the writer whos name i cant spell... and english people are less wakko about that sorta stuff.
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lol america\'s main problem is its to.. \"americanistic\" O_O all this \"celebreity, reality tv, *crap* MTV (what happned? i mean \"newlyweds nick and jessica\" awwww versus the REAL mtv \"headbangers ball *back in the day*\" Beavis and butt-head and when you had no clue what was gonna be on mtv) and what the hell is \"rock\" nowadays? a big whinefest about how depressed or oppressed you are (even those the people get millions).. the whole country is going all \"yuppie happy smiley smiley lets not think bad thoughts hollywood is teh kewl :)\" or \"*C*Rap is teh shiz yo gangstaz 4 life homey\" \"We\'re bad-ass sk8rs with rich parents yet we act like we are from the street act like we are hard and act depressed dood! avril is kool!\" either way it sickens me XD
By the way.. hair metal needs to come back.. sure it was cheesy in the looks department but it was about getting chicks and breaking stuff and sticking to the \"man\"
the new \"rock\" is like \"Oh my feelings... my feelings have been hurt! *scream sing* YOU Hurt my feelings!! I Am So MAD!! *singing* So depressed and hurt by people.. i\'m misunderstood boo-hoo-hoo\" i mean come on join a therapy group or something don\'t drag your \"you where beat by your trailer-trash parents\" into rock and roll
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well things like this are all dumb, they are fighting condom adds on the east coast :D we win!! my part sucks more than your part!!!!
but really, they do it so their kid can be \"safe\" but then the kid will get a viral desease and de because they did not use protection, or they could get a girl knocked up at 10
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I\'m glad I go to a school full of metalheads.
^_^
I have almost every single one of Roald Dahl\'s books. Both me and my little brother read at least 90% of his books by the age of 8. And, well, we\'re not homicidal maniacs (okay, I might be, but it\'s not his fault).
I\'m sorry if what I\'m about to say will offend anyone, I seriously am... but I have to say it.
I blame Christianity for almost every single \"soccer\" mom.
Yes, I said it. Now, before you start flaming me, I AM a Christian... err.... sorta.... it\'s complicated and I\'m not gonna get into it.
Think about it, all of our parents nowadays seem to be \"born-again \'Christians\'\". Think about it.
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Woulda edited my last post, but this is kinda different subject.
I found another interesting page about challenged and banned books.
http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedbooksweek/challengedbanned/challengedbanned.htm#mfcb
In the 10 most challenged books for 2003, there were a couple that made no sense:
\"Bridge to Terabithia\" by Katherine Paterson, for offensive language and occult/satanism.
WTF? I read Bridge to Terabithia when I was,like, 7 or 8. I have the most Christian parents you could imagine, and yet they still bought me that book. Me no thinky parents buy book if occultish. I\'ve read the book a few times, I don\'t think it has ANYTHING to do with the occult/satanism.
And, BTW, I would KNOW if something was about the occult. Trust me, I would.
I suppose the offensive language thing is verified... but, ya know what? It\'s friggin realistic.
\"Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture\" by Michael A. Bellesiles, for inaccuracy.
Okay, I\'ve never read this book before, but... CHALLENGED FOR INACCURACY!?!? HEY! I got an idea! Let\'s challenge the White House for THEIR inaccuracy!!
Maybe they\'ll even get banninated!!!
A few interesting statistics:
419 books were challenged because they had material ?promoting a religious viewpoint.?
1,256 to material considered ?unsuited to age group?
Wow, so many books about religion! Hey, the Bible talks about religion! LET\'S CHALLENGE IT!!!
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Originally posted by Foresteer
By the way.. hair metal needs to come back.. sure it was cheesy in the looks department but it was about getting chicks and breaking stuff and sticking to the \"man\"
I want to learn electric guitar grow a bigass mullet and swing it around while screaming into a cheap mic someday.
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wow, nice posts, someone should make a hydlaa plaza subforum dedicated to controversial threads, would be cool.
Edit: To earlier poster, I have read the bridge to terebithia also, great kids book, occult? satanism? more like people are mixing up dreaming and fantasy with withcraft.
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ummm, metal heads are not really like that, im like part metal head, part hippi, part reggae, part nerd, part rocker :] and a few moor things so ummmmm i have big fluffy hair but that\'s from my hippi/reggae part and i play drums ;)
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Originally posted by JellyWerker
wow, nice posts, someone should make a hydlaa plaza subforum dedicated to controversial threads, would be cool.
Controversial threads?
Ohoohohohhh... I have got LOTS of those...
Mods would probably delete most of what I say, however...
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Originally posted by Noctis Lamnia
Originally posted by JellyWerker
wow, nice posts, someone should make a hydlaa plaza subforum dedicated to controversial threads, would be cool.
Controversial threads?
Ohoohohohhh... I have got LOTS of those...
Mods would probably delete most of what I say, however...
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They wouldn\'t have to delete most of what you say so long as you keep the cussing down :P
I do agree however, that there should be a subforum for controversial threads. I personally believe that nothing gets the blood pumping or the brain working like controversy, but i\'m weird, heheh.
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personnaly to fix america i think the first step is to shoot anyone who when aruing for rights says \"Well im a mother\" and any sibbling offspring to clean the geanpool of them... that will stop alot of the annoying america
:P:P:P
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Originally posted by seperot
personnaly to fix america i think the first step is to shoot anyone who when aruing for rights says \"Well im a mother\" and any sibbling offspring to clean the geanpool of them... that will stop alot of the annoying america
:P:P:P
That sounds good in theory, but it might be a little extreme. The best way to fix america is to cut the heads off the snakes causing the problems (kill all politicians).
;):P
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Anyways, lets get back on topic, eh?
Personally, i don\'t any work of fiction designed for children is bad.. it stimulates the imagination, which is a good thing
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I think every child should watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre at the age of 4.
Methinks that would benefit them greatly.
^_^
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Originally posted by Noctis Lamnia
I think every child should watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre at the age of 4.
Methinks that would benefit them greatly.
^_^
-grins- I concurr. Watching a movie where a guy got thrown into a vat of acid and had his skin melting off didn\'t do me any harm. So TCM would be like disney, only better. :D
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be serious,
most censorship should be banned, exept something that would probably scare the **&# out of a little kid (6 and under then 7 is poorly made movies)
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You know what?
Scratch that.
Little kids shouldn\'t watch TCM at the age of 4, they should watch the URS vid at the age of 4.
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Originally posted by Black_rose
ummm, metal heads are not really like that, im like part metal head, part hippi, part reggae, part nerd, part rocker :] and a few moor things so ummmmm i have big fluffy hair but that\'s from my hippi/reggae part and i play drums ;)
Yeah. Well. I want to be like that, it looks like fun.
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Dude metalhead=1337 :)
People think metal heads are all stoners and stuff man. Steriotypers are the worst people of all. All of us are though.
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I don\'t stereotype people but if I had a dollar for every american that started with the \"Canadian, EH?\" on me I\'d probably have a bank account to dwarf that of Bill Gates\'.
Those are the kind of people I want to drop kick in the face and feed to big rabid fruit loops.
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>_>
*drop kick\'s in the face and feeds those kinds of people to big rabid fruit loops with j00*
^_^
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all christianity has ever done is cause wars. hows that for ya. religeon does not help anyone. im glad i wasnt baptised otherwise i would have been scalded by the water. lol, a little inmature here but hey. terrorism (especially muslim) is the cause of terrorism with that alah prick.
all these politicians making up bull sh** to get paid and make a statements as though they care about people and get the voted up the ass ect...all it does for me is make me more angry and violent than a book or cd.
and i agree with Foresteer\'s post very much.
cheers
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Clarification: It isnt religion that causes war or bad feeling to others, its the fantatical believers that think they are right and everyone else is wrong.
That is what causes hatred and breeds racism in the world. Nazi\'s are a prime example, certain schools of thought show that they believed that they were doing god\'s unfinished work in creating a master race.
Evangelical christians were the cause of most of the hatred towards other belief systems in the world.
Youve heard of the crusades right? Big puritans wandering the world going \'ha a heretic, you dont believe in our god so therefore you shall die for your beliefs\'. Nice bunch of people werent they?
O BTW a lot of people dont realise that it was a muslim who discovered the real properties of light and how it works, originally christians thought that our eyes omitted the light and \'lit up\' the object in front of us. This guy goes into solitary for 12 years in the 7th century and discovers that \'hold on a second it hurts when I look at the sun\' so therefore light is omitted as rays.
Back to the point, religions as a theory are a good thing for those people who cannot hold themselves responsible for their own actions and have to use a moral and spiritual crutch in order to survive.
Anybody ever seen a film called ferenheit 451, or 1984. Farenheit 451 showed us a world where cencorship went mad and all books were thought of as a bad influence on our society, ok if you insist sir.
Nothing gives people the right to say what is bad for you, it is the choice that you have to make as a senient being that dictates who you are and how you think. If we are controlled then Big Brother wins!
As Ive said in the past we live on a very small pebble within the valley of the mountains.
Isnt it time that people realised we are all from the same race and so should be treated equally?
You dont need religion or cencorship, if you dont like a book dont read it, if you think a film is too graphic dont bloody watch it. Mary Whitehouse would be proud of all the control governments try to exert over us.
EDIT: how can a childrens book be bad for kids?!?!?!? WTF??!
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Ahh Bardialus yet another enlightened post... \"Terrorists\" are just the new \"Commies\" every republican Neo-Con NWO pushing conservitive needs an \"enemy\" to \"protect\" the people from.. \"Sure you have to give up a little freedom.. but i will use the changes to \"help\" you.. i am so good i won\'t misuse to control you\'ve given me i promise :)\" bull.. there is hope...
America\'s TRUE ALLIES (the allies that support the REAL america) France, Germany And Even the people of Britian (the government of britian is still a neo-con bi*** but whatever) are getting very tired of the \"new america\" of celeb worship and Rebuplican misuse of the entire planet even though its not owned by america.. and for that hats off to you guys :) maybe someday a president won\'t turn a deaf ear to your contrustive critism (great examples of this are Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt and JFK multilateral worked for the best of the people and still got FANTASTIC engineering done for the good of america and the world {cept for JFK who that NWO puppet LBJ had killled like the cowardly little oil/war-mongers he served})
Religion is kinda \"bad\" as it muddles the \"reality\" of this dimmention but it does give hope (strangly hope is both good and evil.. it was the last evil in pandoras box after all) but as long as it helps people i have no problem with it.. my main fued is with *almost* all \"western\" religion after about 100 A.D. that has nothing to do with enlightenment but is just a means of control as a sort of second form of government (come one with just our regular government we have enough control and problems do we need a man getting \"orders\" from a fictious figure in the sky that gives \"orders\" that strangly work in favor of said \"prophet\"?)
And in reply to france being one of our true allies... To all people who keep saying \"france sucks!\" \"We saved france they should listen to us!\" S T F U!! i am sick of hearing it... france is a more civilized nation then we are (as a whole anyway) and france saved our butts in the revolutionary war and drove themselves BANKRUPT doing so.. after vally forge we would have been toast on our own.. we got weapons, training, naval support and backing even after the war from these people... WW2 was just paying back the debt.. Not to mention Marquee De Lafettes peson intrest in the nation and its survival.. not to mention many modern military advances where also made by france in tactical, naval and aerospace feilds and america uses said advancements to this day.. so be quite oh detractor of one of our oldest allies.. the more you open you mouth the more you make us all seem ignorant :/ we just work differantly but we really are the same i found an excellent little read on that it covers all i just said too http://www.discoverfrance.net/France/Features/French_or_Foe.shtml
so go and enlighten yourself! thats all i have to say about that really XD...
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Bardialus and Foresteer i love both of your posts *brilliant*. lol i was posting a little inmature but my point was still there.
listen to \"cival war\" by guns n roses hehe. It sais alot.
its bull sh*t with the whole biased thing towards germans and which ever. i hate nazis yet i dont hate germans.
i am not racist yet i hate little cultural gangster fags who paint themselves different and seperated from \"whites\" or \"blacks\" by doing so. (it angers me when imigrants come to australia and think that they have to join gangs ect... We america err ?
i am not anti religeous, yet i hate the nazi style religeons and terrorism based sh*t
anyways cheers
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Originally posted by davo
Bardialus and Foresteer i love both of your posts *brilliant*.
wow a positive comment concerning a post I as in ME made O.o... usualy i am getting told how \"un-american\" i am and how \"if i don\'t like it i should move to N. Korea\" (funny how all rednecks use those two saying and never anything different... guess neo-cons aren\'t big on teaching thier slaves originality :/)
And I get what you are saying.. people are trying to be such \"gangstaz\" they don\'t even have a clue about anything of substanence.. and its this kind of culture that keeps the average poorer person down no matter what race.. they try to follow this instead of gets jobs etc. (i am poor and have seen old friends fall into that.. looks so much better on a MTV \"funded by republicans to keep people poor and unable to challenge them in a large scheme to rule us all\" music video kind of way doesn\'t it?) what happened to the REAL hip-hop? hip-hop used to be a movement a movement of the common people of the street with actual meaning in those ryming lyrics and funky beats.. now its just banging this and \"bustin\' caps\" in that.. no beat hardly any ryme and even less meaning
~au revoir
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BWHAHAHAHAH omg i have never laughed so much in my entire life looking at what has been written in this thread by most people i would assume most of you are between the age of 9-13 hahahah :D my god this was good for laugh thanks keep up the work!
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@sif
errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr what?????
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Originally posted by Sifright
BWHAHAHAHAH omg i have never laughed so much in my entire life looking at what has been written in this thread by most people i would assume most of you are between the age of 9-13 hahahah :D my god this was good for laugh thanks keep up the work!
Glad to know there are people out there with a sense of humour, but try adding 12+ years onto the age, and you\'ll be near the mark.
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Originally posted by Foresteer
Originally posted by davo
Bardialus and Foresteer i love both of your posts *brilliant*.
wow a positive comment concerning a post I as in ME made O.o... usualy i am getting told how \"un-american\" i am and how \"if i don\'t like it i should move to N. Korea\" (funny how all rednecks use those two saying and never anything different... guess neo-cons aren\'t big on teaching thier slaves originality :/)
And I get what you are saying.. people are trying to be such \"gangstaz\" they don\'t even have a clue about anything of substanence.. and its this kind of culture that keeps the average poorer person down no matter what race.. they try to follow this instead of gets jobs etc. (i am poor and have seen old friends fall into that.. looks so much better on a MTV \"funded by republicans to keep people poor and unable to challenge them in a large scheme to rule us all\" music video kind of way doesn\'t it?) what happened to the REAL hip-hop? hip-hop used to be a movement a movement of the common people of the street with actual meaning in those ryming lyrics and funky beats.. now its just banging this and \"bustin\' caps\" in that.. no beat hardly any ryme and even less meaning
~au revoir
You mean those skrawny freshmen that wear huge sleeveless shirts and lame striped baseball hats backwards, that go down the hall talking like a thug and insulting everyone?
There\'s a kid fitting the foresaid description perfectly. He does a good job of ticking me off so my new years resolution is to punch him out and cram him into a locker.
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Originally posted by Noctis Lamnia
Yeah, you\'re pretty much right.
I\'m still gonna hate my parents, though.
And the government.
The establishment must continue to exist. It exists to protect you. Things that are taxed or banned are often taxed or banned for a very legitimate reason. However, you must not let the establishment fall into the wrong hands, it is a tool, and can be used for both good and evil.
Most of the posts in this thread are very uninformed rants of people who feel oppressed or angsty. I find most of them dull, very repetitive, and rather annoying. The amount of Hate here is not productive and is entirely misdirected. Bardialus seems to be the only voice of reason...
Now, killing people, listening to metal, burning cars, etc. won\'t help much. Neither is Christianity the enemy.
Here\'s what you need to do: Parents must be taught how to raise their children without resorting to book burning. This means you need to make them learn about how they need to be informed. Once that is done, you will have greatly lowered the amount of votes cast out of laziness, this makes politicians care less about censoring and focus on more (or less) important issues.
I guarantee they won\'t listen to you in your current state. That yelling and screaming won\'t do; you must become professional. You must look and act professional. You must look like the establishment. That means you can\'t say anything too outrageous to begin with, because then you won\'t be listened to ever again. You\'ll also need positions of authority. The opinions of the jobless & janitors are not respected very well. And you\'ll have to stay off drugs, alcohol, etc: they can warp your mind, but even if they don\'t, people will think they did.
Btw. Techno PWNZORZ Metal! :P
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Originally posted by Monketh
Most of the posts in this thread are very uninformed rants of people who feel oppressed or angsty. I find most of them dull, very repetitive, and rather annoying. The amount of Hate here is not productive and is entirely misdirected. Bardialus seems to be the only voice of reason...
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Originally posted by Monketh
Now, killing people, listening to metal, burning cars, etc. won\'t help much. Neither is Christianity the enemy.
Here\'s what you need to do: Parents must be taught how to raise their children without resorting to book burning. This means you need to make them learn about how they need to be informed. Once that is done, you will have greatly lowered the amount of votes cast out of laziness, this makes politicians care less about censoring and focus on more (or less) important issues.
I guarantee they won\'t listen to you in your current state. That yelling and screaming won\'t do; you must become professional. You must look and act professional. You must look like the establishment. That means you can\'t say anything too outrageous to begin with, because then you won\'t be listened to ever again. You\'ll also need positions of authority. The opinions of the jobless & janitors are not respected very well. And you\'ll have to stay off drugs, alcohol, etc: they can warp your mind, but even if they don\'t, people will think they did.
There are many valid points there, but to conform to the whole of society\'s ruling can lead to losing your identity. Im not saying you should break the law. (thats why they are called laws in the first place, isnt it?)
To create a unified government establishment all aspects of society must be represented. The bad sides of life will always be there and shouldn\'t be shunned or imposed with negative associations that verge in the extreme. Doing that makes people feel oppressed and from that feeling comes further problems.
To truly understand people before you judge them, you must first be able to grasp the logic behind their choices. If you cannot do this simple thing then you are naturally inclined to show bias, even without realising it.
Sometimes things are banned for a perceived legitimate reason, that is to say when people think they are right in their way of thinking, and have the qualities in which they can impress their thoughts onto others. Prohibition was a prime example of a ill perceived reason for creating a law. By making things survive in the depths of the underground, and by ignoring the problems and pretending that you control them you create a bigger problem that could spiral out of control.
Rather than creating further control over how and why we live our lives, isnt it time for us as sentient creatures (with morals dont forget) that we looked at the current legislations and analyse their effectiveness towards society?
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It is impossible to create a perfect society. There will always, and I mean ALWAYS be people who don\'t agree with it. I agree that laws are there to protect you, but I SERIOUSLY don\'t feel protected. What, with all the coverups, conspiracies, and Black Ops units out there. I would rather the government at least ADMIT they existed than continue lying about them like they have been.
Also, taxes and stuff? NO SENSE. Heck, they\'ve put taxes on mp3 players... ****ing MP3 PLAYERS.
Originally posted by Monketh
Now, killing people, listening to metal, burning cars, etc. won\'t help much. Neither is Christianity the enemy.
No? If Christianity isn\'t the enemy, what is? According to them, EVERY OTHER RELIGION IS. I just won\'t accept bigotry like that. Christianity has taboo\'d every other religion out their, even the Catholic church. Does this sound like welcoming, brotherly arms to you?
It doesn\'t to me.
Oh, and what happens when something isn\'t going the way the Christian church wants it to? The Crusades. THAT\'S what happens. Needless bloodshed.
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By taxes on MP3 Players, do you mean the sales taxes that are put on all electronic gizmos?
First of all, The Crusades were centuries ago. I refuse to hold modern Christians responsible for actions taken by their ancestors without their input. Thank you for demonstrating left-ist ignorance.
Oh, and btw, ALL religions have to hold ALL OTHER religions as false in order to be true, it is not restricted to Christianity and never has been. Your attitude is detrimental to furthering the causes of liberalism.
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Originally posted by Monketh
Btw. Techno PWNZORZ Metal! :P
the only things you have said i can agree with :P
plus years of dealing with said system have made me a little synical but not a voice of reason?
\"Oh, and btw, ALL religions have to hold ALL OTHER religions as false in order to be true, it is not restricted to Christianity and never has been. Your attitude is detrimental to furthering the causes of liberalism.\"
hmmm lets go to the judges.. awww i\'m sorry.. better luck next time though! :D all WESTERN \"christian-clone\" religions MUST do that... most other religions have the \"differnt paths going the same way\" philosiphy
and about sif.. don\'t worry most \"sheep\" find anything that defies what they have been told and tought by the system as crazy.. (funny that one religion prides themselves as being \"sheep\" XP) not against the single christian mind you.. the system of it as a whole is my enemy... of course my anti neo-con agenda is on hold.. as i am choosing flight over fight this time (why fight them when one could just swap dimmentions where they dont exsist? or swap time to when they could be easily fought?) (plus i am no politician.. i am a \"mad scientist\" :P)
~au revoir
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\"seems to be\" Escape clause in the post you\'re refering to. :P
*sighs*
Anywho, on what basis do you make the distinction on a religion allowing others to be true?
Where is that one bothersome exception to the rule?
And does it work both ways?
Mind you I\'m talking about different religions, not variations on one of them.
Des americains parlent francais aussi, tu sais. Mais repondez pas en francais.
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lol not an escape cluase.. just if a electro-magnetic hole can be made into time/space why fight something i don\'t have to? i would rather explore and learn then bog myself down fighting.. the only reason i even fight things like neo-cons and the chrsitian system is that they hinder my learning to varying degrees
For instance buddism knows it has its path.. but also says there are other paths.. this is just the one buddha found.. \"you can take our path or find your own\" kind of thing they openly acknowledge there ARE others ways to seek enlightenment and traverse past this lowley dimmention
Yes, buddists alows that their path and any path you are on are equaly valid as per each person must use what meathod works best.. like one person may lift a box and carry it.. the other may pull it.. both end results are valid and worked.. one just may be more or less easy then another thats all..
And buddism is its own religion not a variation of anything
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Using the crusades was to establish that even that long ago there was religious bigotry, in fact it has occured throughout histroy. All that changes are the people who do it and the people they target.
Modern christians are not as ignorant as their old counterparts, neither are they responsible for their actions either.
But what should be explained is that through the ages the core belief system and structure has changed very little. Although the tolerance of many church ideals has grown for the better.
The problem is that although all these progressive changes have and will continue to occur, its very centre of \'rules\' has still to progress to the present day.
If a religion is still basing its moralistic view on the world on old morals how can that be truly appropriate today?
I also believe that through fanaticism oppression breeds. This is the major problem of relgions, many of the believers think that theirs is the way to enlightenment. Any different opinions are regarded as threatening and the person is treated with disdain.
Buddhism teaches that to believe in anything you must first believe in yourself, does it not?
If you are not strong enough of faith in that which you believe to be true, then you must always need assurance.
Liberalism is also part of life, accept or fight it. But to fight it think about the perceived freedom of self you are holding back.
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I lean moderately right, that means I like slow change.
I have taken liberal positions in the past, and I will do so in the future, that\'s part of being moderate. I just don\'t have the attitude of the far-left nor do I want it.
Obviously, Neo-cons scare me as well, but I think I\'m a little kinder when it comes to naming who is or isn\'t one. I would naturally consider it an insult to be called one.
And of course, the ultra-left is needed as a balance for the ultra-right. If one of them were to drop off the face of the earth we\'d all be doomed.
Edit: And of course, this thread is confirming my theory that the number of crazed-maniacs and ignorant persons is equal on both sides.
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Completely agree, with maniacs you know where you stand with them at least...around 40 feet away to be safest :D
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\"i\'m not racist! i hate all people aside from other issues!\" XD i hate the far left almost as much as the far right.. lesser of two evils but just bearly.. i personly agree for most of society slow change is best... but for me since i think, learn and act at a rapid pace i get very annoyed when i only have about 80-100+ years depending on sceince to make either a discovery on life extention or other major advancement but i am being held back by \"science\" and \"society\".. and naturaly so :/ so i tend to work alone it helps with the society issues.. but that also makes the advancements much slower.. and i am not very liberal or conservitive.. i am a moderate green so :P but thats my main beef with most of the world.. its holding me back.. and i hate knowing what i am not knowing because people are to uptight (not to mention some of the double-standards are just so stupid you can\'t NOT get mad at them XD)
~au revoir
EDIT: know any good forums bard? like for the manner of wierd science i am into? never hurts to ask
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well, its a tough one. I mainly read papers on subjects and then spend a mahusive amount of time on the net surfing for the rest. A long drawn out but worth it venture...But loads better than going to the library and scouring the shelves for one book!!!
Science as a whole is getting there, primarily due to the advent of liberalism believe it or not.
Scene : victorian era school, and a student wants to do something that against all concepts known at that time. Scan forward a few generations and now people are allowed; to an extent, to pursue previously unthought of technologies and methods.
Its about time!!!
:D This isnt a campaign for liberalism or any other form of politics!!
I think that soon enough advancements will be finally published into the general public and eventually we are not going to be so held back by the world ;)
I think its a question of fear of progression, they feel threatened and pushed by the fact that humans as a species are evolving; metaphorically speaking, we have finally realised a little of our true potential as a species.
The real and perceived sociological and economical differences between people enables them to become trapped and not progress. This is where true ignorance plays an important role in science, thanks to the fact that we accept more and more diffrences between us as people.
Edit: and James and the giant peach shows us that to get to the end we must not use our differences as weapons against each other, but as tools to help each other ;)
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Originally posted by Bardialus
well, its a tough one. I mainly read papers on subjects and then spend a mahusive amount of time on the net surfing for the rest. A long drawn out but worth it venture...But loads better than going to the library and scouring the shelves for one book!!!
holy crap thats the way I do it XD! I get like 5-20 books at a time though.. I am suprised every day my brain doesn\'t EXPLODE... i tend to forget old knowledge or just remeber it in gist though as i am learning a ton of new things each day.. can you recommend a method to remeber all this stuff then?
and as far as forums go this forum has been suprising good at the \"oddities\" of the multiverse as far as MMO game forums have gone :D (most of the off topic on every other game is like \"OMG hilary duff is tez KEWLZZZ!!!!1!!!111\" or \"Why sucks\") I appluase the open mindedness and inteligent chatter of the last week :) you\'ve restored some hope in this synical as to the next generations
also yes that is why i tend to lean left.. not to far though as feminazis suck as much as oil/war-mongers anything to get humans on that path away from the \"wheel of human history\" (War, Technology to win wars. War again, BIG war.. peace for 50 years.. WAR, warwarwarwarwar, Peace and technology, , Tech boom in weapons and last but not least a war that blows us back to the stone age)
~au revoir
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I am like foresteer, except I check out all the books they have on the subject.
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Originally posted by Foresteer
holy crap thats the way I do it XD! I get like 5-20 books at a time though.. I am suprised every day my brain doesn\'t EXPLODE... i tend to forget old knowledge or just remeber it in gist though as i am learning a ton of new things each day.. can you recommend a method to remeber all this stuff then?
Its how people are I suppose, some out there are lead by the desire to learn more and more things. Remebering them...Thats easy, just be interested in them and always keep being interested...If Your interest starts to slacken find a new aspect of the same thing. That way all the stuff about it you couldnt remember is in the subject. You learn by expose to the core principles...When youve done that find a connecting or disputing aspect and further things about it become apparent :)
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I would have to agree that this is only one of two forums I\'ve seen where politics are discussed sanely.
The other is the deviantart forum. I debated there quite often for a while.
Of course, this community rejects all 1337, so that significantly brings up its\' IQ level. :D :)
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Indeed Bardalius, that\'s the way to do it!
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yeah if i wasn\'t such a cheap bast** i\'d just buy the books for refernece.. but books can be expencive.. especialy when i go through1-50 a month... i do hope to build a HUGE \"para\" (paranormal, parascience or whatever) library for myself and a few others
and yes monk i am amazed and blown away by how even when l33ts join how quickly they leave O.O it makes me wonder if there isn\'t really some form of magic and in the world... as the lack of \"dewds\" here is simply magical :D
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Its good to know that people out there are open to opinions.
dewds schmewds, its when they realise that there are folks out there with more brain cells than a cabbage has leaves that they finally become normal social beings :D
I know what you mean about collecting books for reference...But if you can get a downloadable version and then print the bits you need as and for reference, how much time and money does that save? That way you can stay lazy by being able to access the document and to prove a theory etc you can draw on the newly acquired \'vast storage of hard evidence\' :D
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Geez. I think James and The Gaint Peach is awesome for younger kids.
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Yup agree, slightly off topic maybe.... But the Internet has opened up a can of worms for Society, and in good way! It means people can access information about anything, anywhere just by using a few keystrokes. And not having to go to a public library is a bonus for some people, knowledge whilst sat in the comfort of your own surroundings!
It jus pays to know which of the Info you read is good and valid, and which is downright dirt.
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Originally posted by Bardialus
I know what you mean about collecting books for reference...But if you can get a downloadable version and then print the bits you need as and for reference, how much time and money does that save? That way you can stay lazy by being able to access the document and to prove a theory etc you can draw on the newly acquired \'vast storage of hard evidence\' :D
yeah where can you download books anyway :/? plus i mean getting printed stuff is well and good... but as true nerds can attest.. you cann\'t beat that \"new book smell\" :D
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Originally posted by Foresteer
yeah where can you download books anyway :/? plus i mean getting printed stuff is well and good... but as true nerds can attest.. you cann\'t beat that \"new book smell\" :D
lol, I suppose not.
As for downloading books, I got tons of sites... but they\'re all grimoires and you\'d all flame the hell out of me if I posted the links.
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You CAN search for them.
Oh, and I\'d take a real book over an Internet copy ANY day ANY time. If I had an actual copy of the Grimiore of Abremelim instead of just an internet version...
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stupid double-post....
just delete this one or somehting
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Originally posted by Noctis Lamnia
As for downloading books, I got tons of sites... but they\'re all grimoires and you\'d all flame the hell out of me if I posted the links.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
oh man *wipes a tear of laughter* whew... ME laugh at YOU about a \"wierd\" book link XD
Oh man thats a good one Noctis :P have you even read any of my posts? Ok anyway, where can one download books?
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Although its frowned upon by many here goes...*whispers I use Kazaa and Ares for major book downloads*
So If james and the giant peach is bad for kids....How can we teach them life skills like morals etc?
C\'mon cencors realise that books written years ago do still have a place in kids lives, except Noddy. And I mean no \'flaming\' here but...How many book series (original) that claim Gollies are evil people?
Dont ban it just look at where its going wrong in your opinion, and if the content can be changed without altering the context then try to get that bit changed rather than saying \'My child read James and the Giant Peach at schhol the other day; so did I, and with Political Correctness I found that one of the greatest childrens writers to be creating feelings of ostrascisation towards others and I feel that it should be banned and replace with Teletubbies or something very simple and realistic towards their mental capacity\' Grow TFU!!
If you want your kid to learn and have a good view of the world they need to read things like this..Its all because their parents are so dumb and niave that they think if they dont understand things no-body else will.
I say we ban stupid people from being allowed to talk in any social circles of the world!
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Yeah i don\'t frown on it though.. intelectual property is the property of all really :/.. as for kazaa i tend to frown on spy/adware though XD
and yes cencors suck.. anybody who feels the \"need\" to \"ban\" all that they don\'t understand (which with these people is a lot :P) has to be shipped to a little island where they can bast in their own ignorance
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This list makes me laugh. I\'ve read some of these books, and I can\'t for the life of me understand their presence. The Great Gilly Hopkins for example is about a girl who\'s mother put her up for adoption and her trying to get to her home, while unintentionally damaging everyone she meets, including steeling from a blind man. At least 3 of them are part of my schools curriculum. Rhoald Dahl? And for Where\'s Waldo, did u know it\'s challenged because there is a topless women in one scene? Also, did ne1 notice that the \"What\'s Happening to My Body\" for girls is higher than the boys version by 11 places or so?
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Like the island idea Foresteer, but your forgetting that they could get away from it if they had the chance..just to make sure I think a 15ft wall around the island should be installed just to make sure.
The people who made the list up are the ones who feel like they are at risk from the rest of the world, so what we all are arent we?
We just realise it sooner and decide that life is intersting and so need to see and understand as much of it as we can.
They need to open their eyes and read in between the lines without that perceived bias and then think about their comments like an intelligent human being.
P.C has gone mad and the world is being driven into the tunnel of darkness with hi-fi morals at the wheel.
Political Correctness is one of the reasons why books like these are to be looked at by these ppl. They assume that they understand people better and so have a higher opinion of themselves.
James and the Giant Peach, Matilda, The Twits, Stig of the dump. These are books I grew up with, they let us into the mind of a child who has become that which their imagination leads them to be.
Books like these should be allowed they teach our children the beauty and strength of imagination and teaches the children how to express their imagination.
Take them away and you just exert more control over how your kids grow up and think.
If we did this then conformatism would lead the world, it\'s shameful.