PlaneShift

Gameplay => Wish list => Topic started by: Drift on January 05, 2005, 11:43:08 am

Title: ARE GRAPHICS TOO HARDCORE?
Post by: Drift on January 05, 2005, 11:43:08 am
The whole idea of planeshift is to create a virtual world that people can see and interact with others in it.
Graphics are one of or if not the greatest varible in this world.
I have tryed my hardest to use Crystal Blue but as i only have a 1.7gig processor i am unable to, i have been forced to use my brother\'s computer to do so. I understand that developers and players want the best graphics possible but in order to attract more customers you need a better variety.
I am asking for a different client or even a setting on the same client to allow lower quality of graphics. while the planeshift team can stilll work on developing the game to host the best graphics possible they can just have a setting or alter it slightly to get graphics that are easy to process.
My computer is one of the lowest of the low pentium 4\'s but at the moment i can open the client but the game runs at a 10sec delay.
all i can do now is wait while the planeshift team decide weather or not my point is appropreate.
my computer has to open and run the client at 60herts anyway.
please take note of this, i really do understand that u want the most detail possible but is this so much to ask?
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Post by: Arzosah on January 05, 2005, 11:49:44 am
Your computer should run the game fine.
Try updating your drivers ;-) I don\'t think PS is the problem.
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Post by: Harkin on January 05, 2005, 11:55:13 am
your computer should run it fine yes, as mine is slower... i think the problem is the lack thereof a video card :)

mines an AMd 1700+ 1.46 Ghz ...slower than yours and i run perfectly it perfectly while IRC and IE is open as well
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Post by: confused on January 05, 2005, 12:14:58 pm
Eish, I must be missing the awesome graphics somewhere, as all I really seen is simple 3D textures and lighting effects than even the oldest 3D GPU can managed without even feeling it. Currently the GPUs are severly under utilized, no major particle effects or shaders used any where I have been.

As for CPU utilization, my friend\'s PC are basicly falling asleep while playing Planeshift. I guess mine will do the same once I managed to get the Linux installation completed.

I guess something is from with the OS installation, or you have plenty Spyware having a picnic on your PC.
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Post by: Merdarion on January 05, 2005, 12:49:53 pm
Well I have a 1 Ghz AMD Athlon, with 256 MB Random Acces Memory, and a 128 MB MSI graphics card, and ADSL.

I never ever got any lag and I have it one quite high options,
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Post by: Nikolia on January 05, 2005, 02:04:45 pm
Dont make me go into my massive lecture about
\'great graphics\' moogies just gonna mess it up again.. :P
though to tell you the truth I fixed all the problems I had
with Planeshift and me and my friend played it for like 20 mins

We tryed getting people to pay us to use the bridge from
hell an we also followed people around, intill they started
to go \"hey... are you following me.. I swear each time I turn around I see you running the other direction..\"

In planeshift we have to make up our own fun, I blame it on
the graphics. I loved all the models and EVERYTHING in CB
it was all fine and smooth and even won awards for how
fast it ran on computers overall and stuff.. but in this version
you guys got so carried away with the graphics I have not
even bothered to get \'into\' the game because of all crazy
graphics that use up 60% of my system resources.
If I wanted something laggy I would run doom.
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Post by: Xordan on January 05, 2005, 03:48:15 pm
If you don\'t like the game ask for a refund and leave. It\'s that simple.
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Post by: Arzosah on January 05, 2005, 04:22:38 pm
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Originally posted by Xordan
If you don\'t like the game ask for a refund and leave. It\'s that simple.

Did I hear refund?

*rant mode on*
Oh, man, the game has crashed several times already! I really don\'t like it! Now give me 100 bucks!
*rant mode off*

 :D
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Post by: confused on January 05, 2005, 05:38:29 pm
Can I get a generous slice of that refund. Please, please!
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Post by: Kiva on January 05, 2005, 06:00:23 pm
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Originally posted by confused
Can I get a generous slice of that refund. Please, please!


Sure. Take what you paid and then leave. :)
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Post by: Merdarion on January 05, 2005, 06:32:48 pm
I dont know what all of you are complaining about.

You never paid anything for PS and you will never pay anything for it.

Why are you complaining about minor issues,

And if you really want to leave, then by all meanings leave, we dont need some guys complaining about that planeshift eats their ressources.

And i cant follow your My Super-computer doesnt run it things. I have a pretty slow computer with not much RAM, and I get laggy once in 5 days.

Damn You all forget one thing this is Pre-Alpha their has to be issues.
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Post by: Robinmagus on January 05, 2005, 07:27:37 pm
You might have to pay....maybe the devs are just getting us adicted, then they put a price on it and we have to pay! that\'ll be called evil plot 1.0.
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Post by: confused on January 05, 2005, 07:34:47 pm
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Originally posted by Gronomist
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Originally posted by confused
Can I get a generous slice of that refund. Please, please!


Sure. Take what you paid and then leave. :)

Who said I was leaving, I just some of the refund! ;P
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Post by: Noctis Lamnia on January 05, 2005, 09:14:34 pm
Alright, you should be able to play PS just fine with a 1.7.  I\'m running off of a 1.8, and that\'s just fine.

Then again, I\'ve overclocked it to 2100.

XD
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Post by: Arzosah on January 05, 2005, 09:35:15 pm
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Originally posted by Robinmagus
You might have to pay....maybe the devs are just getting us adicted, then they put a price on it and we have to pay! that\'ll be called evil plot 1.0.

Ah, well, that would be too bad ;-)

How do you set up a private server :-P ?
(Just kidding!)
Title: Too Hardcore? or not enough?
Post by: Zeraph on January 05, 2005, 09:39:17 pm
:) well, imho, the graphics are not as great as I would have hoped compared to MB. One thing is the fact that each player model is split into about 5 or more separate meshes so they sort of look like the arms & legs were sown onto the body, & there is I think a need to improve the textures somewhat for ppl who use higher resolutions then 1024x768 but I do believe the reason that the Graphical content is of a lower or more optimized level is that as of right now there is not much control over optimizing the graphics because yes, it is only a \"tech-demo\" & not a complete work as much as most mmorpg\'s are when the public gets there first glimpse of what\'s to come.

I think that the dev team needs to give users more control over the LOD system now available with Cal3D to lower the detail of Character, & also make more options for to increase performance such as clipping distance were Crystal Space will not render objects & landscape far away, & or have  adjustable LOD settings for static geometry. Also, I know that there is an option you can set in Walktest (which is what PS is based on) were you can adjust the texture quality to increase performance.

I think we @ least should have an option to reduce texture detail in the options panel. If you can do it in Walktest, you should be able to have a setting were you can do it in PS! After we can control the texture settings for lower computers, we can have Higher Quality textures for better computers! & @ the rate in which computers are getting faster & less expensive we can make the graphics look better without worrying to much about people not having a fast enough computer. right now you can get a good computer for about $500 or less so I would think a majority of computers of people who want to play planeshift will be able to handle better graphics by the time the PS team can put them out.

So basically the graphics are not as good as they could be however with almost no LOD control options to be able to run on slow computers they are \"ok\".

I do believe that there may be a way now for people to manually set texture detail like you can in walktest, however I need to test it first & it may not work the same as in waktest such as missing dlls or bugs etc. but I hope it will  ;)
Title: CRAP
Post by: Drift on January 19, 2005, 05:29:48 am
u have all proved me wrong so i addmit it could be the download wasnt copied properly and it could also be the fact that a week after i posted this i found out that my motherboard was damaged which affected many program and other problems..... i also found my powersupply couldnt haddle the potiential of my pc so i had to buy a better one i also found that the fact the motherboard couldnt provide enough power damaged it because of the powersupply. i will have to eventually buy a new motherboard...i think the problem was i installed a wireless network card graphics card and a sound card alll top of the range which it could provide enough power to...so once i buy a new mother board i might format my hardisk and start over. and as confused said i my have a bit of spyware i dont think thats the case....but if u wanna try gimmie some, go for it! but thats all should be fixed soon

didnt think so many would post here...
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Post by: supergrover on January 19, 2005, 11:13:44 am
Personally I would like much better graphics. why should we pander to the lowest common denominator. I saved my money for a long time to have a smokin system, and I would like to see some smokin graphics with it.

Waving grass fields would be nice, sorta like whats in swg. I mean there are some awesome graphical mmorpgs out there folks. Sure this one is free so I don\'t expect it to be of the same quality, but why should we let the people with the lower quality systems decide for us?

You guys can\'t play doom3, halo2, or half life 2, either, so suck it up. perhaps it\'s time for an upgrade?


go mow a few lawns kiddies.
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Post by: Seytra on January 19, 2005, 07:55:28 pm
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Originally posted by supergrover
Personally I would like much better graphics. why should we pander to the lowest common denominator. I saved my money for a long time to have a smokin system, and I would like to see some smokin graphics with it.

Waving grass fields would be nice, sorta like whats in swg. I mean there are some awesome graphical mmorpgs out there folks. Sure this one is free so I don\'t expect it to be of the same quality, but why should we let the people with the lower quality systems decide for us?

ACK. While it should maintain options to turn off the fancy stuff, the stuff should be there. PS shouldn\'t stay behind graphics-wise. In fact, it should always be state-of-the-art in all respects, and fancy graphics are part of this.

As I said on another thread, there will always be people whose computers can\'t handle PS, no matter how low PS may go.

For moving grass: in fact, the grass should also move if someone passes through it, not just due to wind. This way, invisible people will need to think a tad more. :)
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Post by: Efflixi Aduro on January 20, 2005, 12:42:18 am
Dude if anything this game needs better graphics, not worse. Also my friend is into coding and stuff and he said the system reqs are too high because the coding isnt optimised or somthing.
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Post by: Asenuth on January 20, 2005, 07:45:32 am
No one here is talking about making PlaneShift run on a 80286 but there are worse ideas than keeping the net wide and making sure that PlaneShift can run on some less-than-recent hardware.

I would also like to say at this point that I am running PlaneShift on a 633MHz Celeron with 128MB of RAM and GeForce FX5200 128MB. Performance isn\'t exactly brilliant  but its quite playable. Oh, and I am \'loading all maps\'.

I also chose to reserve judgment on the graphics quality at this stage since the Devs seem to be focusing their collective attention on code and features at this stage, not graphics.

@supergrover: Theres no way in the nine hells that you could ever hope to even begin to understand the financial situation of someone you\'ve never met and who probably lives in another country from you, please don\'t pretend to.
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Post by: Diamondcite on January 20, 2005, 07:16:46 pm
@supergrover
Time for an update you say? I don\'t know about others, but it took me 5 years to buy my own comp which was good at the time of purchase, it\'s been 3 years since and I still have 2 more years to go before I can even think of another upgrade.

As Asenuth said, \"Theres no way in the nine hells that you could ever hope to even begin to understand the financial situation of someone you\'ve never met and who probably lives in another country from you, please don\'t pretend to.\"
Depending on region, financial situation or even personal interest, people might just even want to play this game without spending a forture just for this one game, I don\'t think many parents would agree to buying their child 1GB of ram just so that they can play ONE game.

Better graphics can come later, when the artist draws them and maybe when level of detail can be set.

@everyone else
PS can certainly use better graphics, but if it isn\'t adjustable then my poor little GF2 will melt =P

At the moment the artist are probably already doing the best they can to make the game look nice, if they didn\'t want to spend the effort then CB could have potentially looked like a whole lot of box art(multi coloured boxes with nothing descriptive about it... See BZFlag for example =P).