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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Erinys on January 09, 2005, 06:00:42 pm
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I read the races page once more during a loading screen in the game and I noticed this
Without ears, they perceive sounds thanks to vibrations on their bodies.
But that would make them pretty weak since when you hit them you nearly knock them out with the immense vibration which they hear as sound.
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Well I dont think so.
If ya hit them it is a really short vibration and then it stops.
and ya forget that Kran doesnt have their sense for orientation connected with hearing.
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Have you ever tried hitting a piece of stone with a knife or a sword? The sword dulls pretty fast. :D I wonder if mining picks will get bonus dmg vs Kran...?
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Blunt weapons have bonus vs kran, is a pickaxe a blunt weapon? Anyway I think it\'s weird that krans have high magic resistance, they should be near indestructable with melee weapons but weak against magic, besides since the brown way is control of earth the krans should be VERY weak against that way.
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Well Kran should be easily aflicted by brown way yes.
But resistant to the others. Krans arent easily blown away by azure, dont burn easily (red) and dont fear the cold (blue).
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Well, I think the Kran would not be bothered by the vibrations caused by weapon or other impacts, because they\'d have a filter for it. The filter would simply shut off or tune down vibrations that are too strong, just like these cheap tape recorders had. Alfo, they could process vibration strength at an reverse exponentioal rate, i.e., the dampening factor is decreased exponentially with the lowering of the amplitude of the vibration, resulting in no dampening for small vibrations and big dampening for lage ones. The complexity of this wouldn\'t be too big for the Kran brain, as it can be done by todays computers.
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The complexity of this wouldn\'t be too big for the Kran brain, as it can be done by todays computers.
We are talking about Krans you know :P
And about the magic, you don\'t know how much rock can be damaged by cold or heat? And what about crystal and dark?
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Originally posted by Erinys
The complexity of this wouldn\'t be too big for the Kran brain, as it can be done by todays computers.
We are talking about Krans you know :P
We are? *stares surprisedly*
Well, I am, too. :P I like to evaluate the complexity of operations by the ability of todays computers to perform them. Our computers are really slow and incapable compared to a biological brain of even the smallest size. Therefore, if our computers can handle it, then it\'s easily possible for a biological brain to handle it in addition to it\'s other tasks.
Since the Kran brain needs to possess approximately the same amount of processing power as the biological brain of any other species, this means that it will also be able to easily handle the demand, regardless of how it actually works.
You see, I was talking about Kran just as much as you are. :)
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hmm Kran strong against weapons but weak against magic? but that doesn\'t really fit how most people seem to look at Kran. So how would we portray them then? Strong defence against both weapons and magic but they are slow and not very effective at attacking? Plus if we have more options they might have a harder time with charismatic related skills? I mean you can easily argue that there differences makes it harder for them to communicate and relate with other races.
Think that sounds as a workable portrait that also could fit a race in to the game as having the same amount of points in stats.
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I know Seytra, the best computer in the world has about the IQ of an average worm.
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krans are near indestructible and have can do melee combat pretty well, but have you even seen a rock cast magic? no, krans weakness is the use of magic, not to be confused with the resistance to magics
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Somewhat unrelated. Kran should also come with an aversion to mining. After all folks are hacking away at Kran\'s own \"flesh\" and uhm stone. I try to RP my Kran character this way, but it\'s darn hard given the economic situation around Hydlaa :).
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Feran, I\'ve commented on this on the Kran reproduction (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/action.php?action=getlastmain&boardid=13) thread (in case you didn\'t notice already).
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1. Computers have IQ 0
2. If Krans are silicon based, their brains are probably too... so
You you think they are smarter in -270 degrees of celsius?
The problem about hearing via vibrations is a big one actualy..
Ever had someone scratch into your bones with a knife?
Well heck, I bet you\'d hear that too. And you\'re not even made that way.
Filters could fix some but the plethora of frequencies that you can make hitting a Kran\'s body with various tools is just too big.
So the Kran would get virtualy deaf when hit with something.
Oh and the fact that they hear via vibrations means they can hear other frequencies than humans...
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@ 1: so does the worm. :P
@ 2: Not unless their brains speed up processing. It\'s like overclocking: without increasing the \"clock\" frequency, the cooling doesn\'t do any good.
\"Filter\" was applied wrongly by me. I meant \"automatic gain control\", but with way smaller latency than is commonly used in audio equipment.
I agree that Kran would be able to hear other frequencies than humans. Also, they\'d be able to tell very much about the ground they\'re standing on just by observing the way vibrations travel through it. A Kran could also predict earthquakes if there were any, and to prospect resources that are hidden underground.
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A good point, but I think that after hundreds of years, the Kran would develop some sort of immunity to the extreme sounds of metal against their sheet rock exterior.
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Ok take a look again it sais they PERCEIVE sound through vibrations not HEAR. Remember not to think about it as if it was like normal hearing. Actualy MANY real animals sence their environment through the surrounding vibrations transmiting through their bodies. It isnt a big deal nor a mystery. Just like how bats \"SEE\" by using SONAR ... they dont actualy see that way but they do have a very percise understanding of their surroundings. DOlphins dont SEE with their SONAR either they use their eyes to see but the sonar helps them mentaly immage their surroundings. I see no reason why Kran couldnt \"Hear\" through internal vibration sencing. Evolution.. its a wonderful thing
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Originally posted by Jandar Calisto
...Ok take a look again it sais they PERCEIVE sound through vibrations not HEAR... ...Just like how bats \"SEE\" by using SONAR ... they dont actualy see that way but they do have a very percise understanding of their surroundings. DOlphins dont SEE with their SONAR either they use their eyes to see but the sonar helps them mentaly immage their surroundings...
Yes but if you blast sonar at either animal, it stuns them. :rolleyes: That\'s the whole point.
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OK perhaps my Dolphin Sonar analogy was a bad one as it deals with using sound for vision. We are talking about sound for hearing. When I car sneaks up on me in the street and then Honks I dont pass out from the sound it just startles me. Likewize bone conduction is used for hearing in Humans under certain situations and with certain devices. There is no reason to think that a loud sound or getting hit with a mele weapon would make a Krin stunned anymore than a gunshot sound would make you pass out. it would just be annoying and might slightly deafen you for a moment. As the Krin have probably been hit numerous times over the milennium it is certain they they have adapted their sound sencing mechanism so that they do not suffer severe ill effects from it. In fact sencing sound vibrations through bone, or mass conduction, is a much safer way to perceive sound as it is not localised in only one area such as the extreemly fragile human ear.
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Originally posted by Jandar Calisto
...There is no reason to think that a loud sound or getting hit with a mele weapon would make a Krin stunned anymore than a gunshot sound would make you pass out...
Thats because a gunshot isn\'t terribly loud compared to other things that humans can be subjected to. For instance, there are beams the government is working on that shoots a radio beam in a concetrated field. This is used as a non fatal weapon and will stun the target. I think that\'s what everyone has been refering to when they say a kran would be in alot of pain after hearing richochets across his body repeatedly. Also there are lots of things that people do in everyday life that will make them pass out, for instance men working on aircraft carriers don\'t just wear ear protection so they won\'t go deaf. They wear the stuff because the extreme vibrations from SOUND can cause dizzy spells and disorientation as well. :O
**EDIT** The american govt is working on the non fatal sound device btw, not the UK or whereever else you may live.
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The Kran already have a hard time interacting with others We can\'t even go into the tavern :(
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Kixie, humans didn\'t develop in an environment where we had to deal with sounds like that. It\'s a relatively new phenomena we\'re unaccustomed to.
But Kran would have developed in an environment where they would get struck by various objects. They would have had to evolve a defense to this long ago or they would have become extinct.
The loudness on a logarithmic scale is one possibility, another is that their \"hearing\" is not as closely tied to their mind as our senses usually are (meaning that they may \"hear\" the impact at full volume, but it\'s only their hearing thats affected - they can otherwise disregard it). They might also just be able to switch it off (but this would mean the a surprise strike would still stun them, so this explanation has gameplay consequences).
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Krans should have an easy time hiding as a rock, maybe achameleon feature to look like a common rock and hide in plain sight so to speak
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Please don\'t forget that Kran were created, and thus didn\'t evolve into what they are. This however just means that their creator, Talad, would have to have thought about these things, even though the creation process of the Kran was a bit... unconventional, so to speak.
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They can be evolved a bit from their creation date.
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I don\'t think so. After all, how much did humanity evolve in the millenia of it\'s recorded history? Not much at all, AFAICS, especially when it comes to this sort of specialised function.
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Does the website tells us how long it took from creation untill now? I don\'t think so so there might be quite some time in between.