PlaneShift
Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Valbrandr on January 18, 2005, 06:59:22 am
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The realm of Planeshift has been plagued by intolerance, arrogance, and invaded by a horde of n00bs. It has altered the course of our experience. The core of PS has shifted as well, from prominent and distinguished members to a swarm of newbie players, who may have potential however have not been here since the beginning and have not earned respect.
Functionality:
For these reasons, I want to help create a new organization, ?The United Realm of Planeshift.? ( Name will most likely change) I envisioned this organization as a Grand Alliance? not necessarily to stop guild wars ( They will still happen) but to bring the guilds of Planeshift together. Together we can make alliances, trade agreements, get more involved in the community, and as a group petition the Creators about what we want added (like the wishlist).
This organization will be comprised of many of the Guilds of Old, Realm, and New (If we can get their support). We can make decisions on who can join and the like. I understand that many (possibly all) will be skeptical about the usefulness of the organization. That is why I need help with everything. I understand that it is I, Valbrandr, who is spear heading this idea but please do not judge it because I am not a prominent member. I can only give you my word that it can and will work if I get the help I desire. One last thing, just because this is my specific idea does not mean I will be leader? maybe a council will head it, but defiantly not just me.
Please think about it? and if you want to help either PM me or post.
Edit: I will set the first goal at ten guilds... Not counting the Sentinels of the Ragnarok (SOR). So we need nine other guilds to get this up and running. For now, each guild leader will be a member of the council. Any guild, no matter how prominent, if you are interested contact me.
Four departments have been created:
Alliance Dept: Works out alliances between guilds
War Dept: Works out or atleast can help negotiate cease fires.
Mercantile Dept: Works out trade agreements and the like, maybe deals for buying Castles, shops, and houses later.
General Assembly: Where we can discuss how to change PS and where we will vote on new guilds to add to the United Realms of Planeshift.
How it works: All guilds will participate in the General Assembly. In addition, Each guild will have a representive that will be in either Alliance/War/Merchantile dept. So each guild will have three reps. This is just the beginning.
Hopefully the forum will be up tomarrow.
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Ok somthing like this has come up many times bfore an has failed every time. You only joined in like a month ago btw so I would still consider you new. Iv been around 7 months and I still consider myself new =/
If you actually stick to making a counsil like this it will be great but it will be a very VERY hard thing to do. Good luck pulling it off.
The \"newbs\" here must be stopped before it turns into RS though. Maybe a guild that is like judges? And they could punish people for crimes of abusing /shout or somthing?
Edit: and btw, didn\'t karl marxx make communism? or was that somone else...
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I agree, I am still new. Ive only been at the forums around a month and been playing for three months. Even though this will be very difficult to pull off I think it can be done. What I need is help from some of the prominent members. If I could get there support than we could pull this off.
BTW: Karl Marx is the founder of true Communism (his ideas), however not how it has been implemented though.
Thank you, Aduro.
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Well I could help you in a personal way but Helmora Velsha coulldn\'t join this thing. It would just destroy all of what we belive in and make it look like we don\'t do what we say we do.
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Any help from any of the prominent members (Which I consider you, if nothing else atleast compared to me) would be an immeasurable contribution.
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I liked the idea of the organization so u are saying this is kinda of a Planeshift U.N. isnt?
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That was my thought exactly. A Planeshift UN... I just did not put that because many do not think the UN is effective.
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So if u tryng to do something like that u\'ll have to divid it in departments, like Commerce, culture, war, etc..
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Maybe four departments:
Alliance Dept: Works out alliances between guilds
War Dept: Works out or atleast can help negotiate cease fires.
Mercantile Dept: Works out trade agreements and the like, maybe deals for buying Castles, shops, and houses later.
General Assembly: Where we can discuss how to change PS and where we will vote on new guilds to add to the United Realms of Planeshift.
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Yeah, I gotta say I liked a lot of this idea, my congratulations Valbrandr, finnaly someone has some good ideas (sarcasm :), just kidding).
So, any news, help requests, and all kind of that stuff put in here! I\'m sure a lot of ppl would like to be part of this project.
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If you will try to make it an alliance or anything near UN, you will fail more miserably.
Don\'t ever mention UN here, you\'ll just create another burning thread.
And from your last post, do you know about The BISM? http://bism.tk/
You are trying to make way too much.
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I agree, it will not be the UN though. It will be comprised differently. My main comparison is that I want this to imploy the same magnitude. With a multitude of guilds eventually.
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Sorry. but I\'m missing something..
What do u have against the UN =|??
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Me personally, I like the UN. I think it can be effective, however we as a whole have to give it the power to be effective. Many do not like it, especially Americans. (Though I am an American so go figure).
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Originally posted by lynx_lupo
If you will try to make it an alliance or anything near UN, you will fail more miserably.
Don\'t ever mention UN here, you\'ll just create another burning thread.
And from your last post, do you know about The BISM? http://bism.tk/
You are trying to make way too much.
I have been looking over the BISM. However, there are plenty of differnces: 1) We are not trying to make money by providing services, 2) We will be a number of guilds, not just individuals, 3) Our benefit is a grand alliance... Which could be very helpful in many ways.
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Valbrandr just give up this idea... its even been tried by annah twice with no real sucsess.....your better to just allie with a few other guilds and make a alliance group... like mirth and defenders had the thingy of light alliance Bo and DE have the dark alliance. just do something like that where your ideas could be easyer to manage :)
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It already exists, it\'s called the Planeshift Council, though it\'s something that right now stays in shadows, and will stay until the CB waves of new people will stop.
its even been tried by annah twice with no real sucsess
You can say it wasn\'t a succes when I\'ll be dead or it won\'t exist anymore. And it will cease to exist when I\'ll be dead. And that\'s not likely to happen :P
Same goes for the Black Order my petite insignificant friend :)
Now go to your cage! X(
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Originally posted by Annah
And it will cease to exist when I\'ll be dead. And that\'s not likely to happen :P
Actually it\'s about 100% likely to happen...
I thought it never moved anywhere btw.
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Anything can appen in this game, u\'ll just need to have the strenght and the caracter to do that.
If u want to try out this project I and the rest of the players (I think so) only can wich u good luck! :]
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Originally posted by Annah
It already exists, it\'s called the Planeshift Council, though it\'s something that right now stays in shadows, and will stay until the CB waves of new people will stop.
its even been tried by annah twice with no real sucsess
You can say it wasn\'t a succes when I\'ll be dead or it won\'t exist anymore. And it will cease to exist when I\'ll be dead. And that\'s not likely to happen :P
Same goes for the Black Order my petite insignificant friend :)
Now go to your cage! X(
realy annah and whos in this counsil?
DOS BO and DE? and some inactive n00b guild perhaps...
how predictable as always :) perhaps you should take ones head out of ones rear end and realise that there in a guild with 1 other member and allied to a few other members that combined would make about 1 active guild and stop with your \"im so big look at me\" threats
unless your intent is to make me die of laughter :P
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Those \"inactive n00b guilds\" have members that have and will always have more character than you\'ll ever have.
And maybe someday you\'ll find out that quantity of members doesn\'t count, especially when they\'re like you. Here\'s my tip, quality, not quantity.
And as for another tip (it\'s good for your future, which is on its way to crumble), I would recommand you to stop hanging on the past so much, it will tear you apart at some point. So, your \"ancient\" sayings like \"s*rew you Annah, I know what you did\", man, sorry to say, works only for you atm.
I felt to say those, so I said them.
Also, no more subtile attacks to Dark Empire. What involves them, involves me, and it would really be a pleasure to take a bath in your blood :rolleyes:
As for this thread, Valbrandr if you are interested in being part of such thing, email me and I\'ll give you some details, who is part of the PS Council etc.
Thanks.
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oh no big bad annah and his little people are out to get me *yawn*
dude i only have 10 members in my guild i dont mass recruite so perhaps i already know its not quantity that matters...or perhaps your just too stuck in your own ways (dude you brought back your sad guild from the dead againbecause you cant leave it alone...like a pidgeon playing with a bit of roadkill on the road trying to work out if its food or not) oh and give me something to realy worrie about... you\'ve been telling me \"im going to crumble\" since i first had a go at you for threating me saying your gonna hack me ;) how about you let actions speak insted of your hollow words
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*Sangwa uses his magical dagger and cuts the tension between Annah and Seperot*
Stop fighting this often, it\'s becoming tedious.
Anyway, the Planeshift Council isn\'t doing much at the moment, maybe Valbrandr could join it, and whoever else thinks about this being a good idea, and make it work better.
Since it is a Council of guilds I guess the more the merrier.
The Council will have a leader. Each guild from the Council can be one; they only have to win the votes (a vote system will be made).
I say we let Valbrandr and his guild be the first leaders, seeing that it seems no one else is wanting to lead such a move. He\'s got some ideas and the will to preform them, and just because his guild is the leader of the Council it doesn\'t mean that it rules others.
We\'re already in Crystal Blue, I see no reason for the Council to stay in the shadows. This might be a good idea to make it work.
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I have a few ramblings to go on here. First off, besides the ingame aspects of this council, could the planeshift council have a more broad impact? A council of this magnatude should pull some weight, especially with the devs. Would it be possible for the council to spearhead ideas for the future direction of planeshift? Example: It is brought up that the new mining rules eleminate the advantages of mining, however, without it people got rich too fast. So the council makes a suggestion about the rules, such as a weigh limit on how much ore you can carry, instead of a direct number, that way you didn\'t have to mine 10 coal, iron, and platinum before selling. You could instead mine 30 platinum.
At this point, having decided what would be the most fair rule, the council signs an official petition for the developers to make this change. In this way the PlaneShift Council would have the ability to have an influence on the game as a whole as well as in ingame relations. This I think would help better the game, and make it more interesting. A sort of world government, except that this gov influences everything from trade, alliances, laws, and even the physics and such of the universe.
P.S. Is my graphic in my signature too large? I can shrink it if it is anoyingly large.
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If there is already an organization formed than we definatly want to be apart of it.
Anyway, the Planeshift Council isn\'t doing much at the moment, maybe Valbrandr could join it, and whoever else thinks about this being a good idea, and make it work better.
Since it is a Council of guilds I guess the more the merrier.
I say we let Valbrandr and his guild be the first leaders, seeing that it seems no one else is wanting to lead such a move. He\'s got some ideas and the will to preform them, and just because his guild is the leader of the Council it doesn\'t mean that it rules others.
We\'re already in Crystal Blue, I see no reason for the Council to stay in the shadows. This might be a good idea to make it work.
If we were allowed to be the leader (With no real power over anyone, however more influence with ideas) That would be a great honor. However, the people who are part of such a thing would have to obviously agree on it. And if that happened, there would have to be an understanding that I want this Council (depending on where it is at) to go through an evolutionary change. With consent I could work with your ideas already created and try to combine it with some of my own ideas. And also depending on how many guilds are currently involved I would want to expand. But before anything else we are trying to gather info abiut the existing council and we would still need to join.
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We can go through voting. Though I think it\'s just a waste of time. Everyone\'s too busy to care about leading any Council at the moment. Well, maybe not with the intention of improving it and making it work.
If you want information about The Council then check this thread (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=11234&boardid=18&sid=28593446b080d5db5da7335d9d123e1a&page=1).
You should also speak with Annah. He\'s sure to have some more information.
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Okay, I like what Annah has started. Not sure about the tax system and there maybe a better way to help in guild wars instead on giving military support though. These are just minor issues. Overall it looks like it could work. A lot of the ideas in the two threads are either the same or complimentry. I think that we can make this work, still need an updated guild/members list though.
Edit: I tried to merge the ideas and I sent it to a couple of the current members. If they approve I will post it soon.
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Ah so annah didn\'t give up on that yet. I assumed he did, guess not. Well Hv is part of annahs...for some reson... We\' ll stay in though.
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Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
Ah so annah didn\'t give up on that yet. I assumed he did, guess not. Well Hv is part of annahs...for some reson... We\' ll stay in though.
I am glad you will stick to your word. I just hope you will be ready to help when I need you.
BTW: I know atleast four groups that are participating already (depending if we are included). Anyone else interested.
Soon I will create a new thread and delete this one. It will have the compromise layout of this new organization, better organized and just better. Hopefully we will get a forum up soon and new members.
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You want a council of guilds? A common forum for addressing grievances and issues? But do you think anyone cares?
Most people come around here for a few months and then dissappear. I am sure they don\'t give a rats-ass about it. Some are too high and mighty to think of the common masses and still others are enjoying their own time here and don\'t want things to change. That would just leave a minority of players like you who think about this at all. Practically i should say \"Forget it and go on with your life\" but I like your idealism. You were an alright guy right from the start Val, kinda reminding me of Keldorn. So i\'ll say \" Go ahead kid. Knock yourself out. And good luck trying\" ;).
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Valbrandr you\'ll be welcome to join any guild I am in anytime you want to . Thats my promise to you :). I admire your zeal and sense of commitment. Thats more than can be said for most of us around here.
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Thank you for your kind words Auran. But you are right. The question is how do we get people to care enough about it? We have to figure out a clear cut purpose and show others how they can beneifit. If I cannot do this it will be much more difficult and tedious work. However I am still optomistic about what is to come. But I will need help.
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Like in every place u can always see ppl that gaving up of is ideas, friends, etc.. for just dont have patience for they.
But let us speak of the Planeshift case: I\'m kind of a newbie in here (play it since 6 months) and I can say to all u, that a lot of the players in here (if we can call them that), after playing this once or twice, does care anymore with this and go into they life again, without thinkind in this anymore.
I\'m very glad and pleased to see ppl that does really care with something, example of that are some players in here that creat guilds, organizations, etc..; the PS creators (how many ppl creat a game for just others fun??); and a lot of more ppl.
To those people a huge urray:
urray, urray!! :)
Note: Escuse me for the english, i\'m sure that if it was my mother language it could be a little better :P.
Cyas
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Look its really easy to get this to work if you play your cards right.
First, get a working site and forum going before you post here.
Secondly, post here give the link. Invite every guild on the list.
Third, guild leaders get bored and deciede to actually visit the forum that they are part of.
Four, they love it and ta da! Youre active :)
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The forum and website have been created by miLosh and it looks good for a few hours work. I think there is still a problem with verification letters being sent though. I have contacted a few leaders and I will try to contact everyone on Kada EL\'s Tavern list hopefully by tomorrow. The site and forum should be ready for people to join by tomorrow also.
In addition, the information for the future thread has been finished, just waiting for replys from Sangwa and Annah. I do have one question though... Do we need a constitution for this organization or not?
Edit: Okay, I have PMed every leader of every guild on Kada\'s list except for Monketh, Ceolwulf, and the leader of the Cabal. Now we will see who wants to be involved.
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Now we will see who wants to be involved.
You can count Bloodclaw Inc. in.
I\'m kind of a newbie in here (play it since 6 months) and I can say to all u, that a lot of the players in here (if we can call them that), after playing this once or twice, does care anymore with this and go into they life again, without thinking in this anymore.
Heh, yeah, probably. In case of newbies that what happens, they see the game, if they don\'t like it or don\'t get to kill/get a lot of money soon they leave. Such is the thing that happened in my guild, we lost more then half of our members to inactivity and abandon of the game. But those that stay (and they aren\'t that few..) they can hold for a rather good time and actually care with things. Sometimes they just don\'t watch the forums/guild forums that much :P
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Closed as requested by Valdbrandr.