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Title: Arcane Order-new server, new release, new thread
Post by: druke on January 21, 2005, 04:07:20 am
 (http://www.arcane-order.com/images/banner_small.jpg)  (http://www.arcane-order.com)  

Figured with all the stuff happening, we might as well start a new thread, plus the other one had some spam in the middle of it. so here ya go people!

The Arcane Order is the biggest mages guild in yliakum If you want to join our guild, read through this thread and visit our website, after that we require each member to come to our IRC channel to have a talk with some of the councilmembers(read our pages for more information).


Arcane Spellsword  ? SnowWolf
Arcane Loremaster  ? Karakth
Arcane Nightblade  ? Windwalker

Head Librarian  ? This position currently in debate
Headmaster of Field Studies  ? Malentor
Chief Ambassador  ? Druke

Hierarchy
The Council is made up of the Arcane Triumvirate and three of the guild?s project leaders. All members of the Council have equal say in higher guild matters, however it is each Council member\'s job to keep the other councilors equally informed on matters.


Spellswords - This branch is for fighters who practice magical skills to aid in combat, thus Fighter/Mages. Our spellswords are our protection, the threat of their revenge serves to keep our guild at peace and Spellsword will protect fellow members on quests etc.

NightBlades - This branch is for rogues who use magic to aid improve their stealth, spying, stealing, backstabbing etc. They are thus Rogue/Mages. Nightblades serve as AO\'s eyes and ears, they provide us the necessary intelligence and subversive capability we need to survive in a dangerous world.

LoreMasters - This branch is for our pure mages, who will mainly practice their magical abilities. The LoreMaster branch is the mainstay of Mages that make AO the Mage guild that it is, however all three branches have equal status and are equally important to AO.

Projects, etc
We have many projects also in Progress such as hexaglyphs (http://www.hexaglyphs.arcane-order.com), the arcane tower construction project, the arcane library, and many others.

Roleplay is also Highly encouraged, we have many great materials in the Arcane Library (http://www.arcane-order.com/library.php) many people i have spoken with say the especially enjoy Serdin\'s Diary (http://www.arcane-order.com/listchapters.php?story=65) We also have our forum based RP which takes place around the tower, and quite possibly other places.


Joining
As many of you know AO is invite only, however this isn\'t ment to be a scary thing, it merly lets us sift through and find who is serious and who is not, if you jsut come to our irc channel (more on that below), or participate in other things (such as the forum rp) you will almost surely get an invite.

As always, check our homepage at http://www.arcane-order.com for more information(or just something for something to read in our arcane library) or drop by at our IRC channel, #arcaneorder @ quakenet. Or use our Irc program(applet Axsyrus can die easy now) at http://www.irc.arcane-order.com be sure to ask our arcane bot any question you may have


With that i take my leave...
(http://www.arcane-order.com/images/banner_small.jpg)
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Post by: Phinehas on January 21, 2005, 09:09:12 am
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Headmaster of Field Studies  ? Malentor


*shudder* :D

I just came to say that I still hate you, and I\'m still dedicated to the ultimate destruction of your guild.

OOC: Great work! Glad to see you guys are alive and breathing! Keep workin\' on the guild, don\'t ever be satisfied with the way it is. Really and truly you guys have a great guild, too bad I hate you IC, eh? :D
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Post by: ajdaha on January 22, 2005, 06:43:10 pm
Phinehas, I know what you mean, join the group. I hate this guild as well.
No, I didn\'t mean it, get awway from me!!! PLease, nooooo.
*Ajdaha realises that Druke is just a guennie pig, and comfortably kicks him away. Druke flying in the air with all of his tiny bones broken, and genitalia squished decides to die, and does. Ajdaha moves up a rank in the arcane order, because druke can\'t stop him. And is now not only a nightblade but is also no longer on probation.
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Post by: SirExelciuse on January 22, 2005, 09:07:50 pm
wow that really made sense!! I got lost after *Ajdaha realises that Druke is just a guennie pig....
wow I really dont wanna know what goes on in your mind!!!
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Post by: druke on January 23, 2005, 01:26:35 am
..ajdaha

wanna die?
Title: A tip to those wishing to join.
Post by: Leiraine on January 23, 2005, 01:41:38 am
This is for those out there who might feel somehow intimidated. Despite AO being invite only, it is not scary, and neither it is hard to join. Druke said it in tiny letters at the very bottom of that long post, so I just repeat it once again:  this isn\'t meant to be a scary thing, it merely lets us sift through and find who is serious and who is not

If you are seriously considering AO and if you love role playing, you\'ll have no trouble at all! I joined about a month ago, so here are my advices to you from my own experience:

1. Read the library, especially things about the organization of the order (and magic in general, if you don\'t realy know much about the way it works in Yliakum).

2. Come to IRC, and go to our forums. It\'s excellent if you have in mind exactly what your character is, and what you want him/her to do. It makes a good impression if you post you character description. However, if like me you do not know exactly what you want, even though you have already read all the information in the library, then just hang around in IRC for couple of days, talk to people ;) .

3. Do not, under any circumstances, use leet.

4. Do not behave like ajdaha does.

Good luck, I hope this helps!


Long live the Order!
~Lei~
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Post by: Icefalcon on January 23, 2005, 01:48:23 am
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We have many projects also in Progress such as hexaglyphs (http://www.hexaglyphs.arcane-order.com)

This looks interesting. Any idea how close you are to being finished?
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Post by: druke on January 23, 2005, 06:48:33 am
Ice: prolly a bit far from comlpetion, we are planning onn testing it on one of our more private projects that will go public soon
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Post by: karakth on January 23, 2005, 05:14:41 pm
And don\'t ask, because soon is possibly a few weeks or months away :P
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Post by: druke on January 23, 2005, 05:57:34 pm
and a few weeks to months + the time it takes me to get my server stable
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Post by: druke on January 25, 2005, 03:23:41 am
double post i know but this is a news item

Windwalker has been promoted to Arcane Nightblade, a member of the council, and head of the Nightblade division of AO!
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Post by: DepthBlade on January 25, 2005, 03:32:25 am
Mmm dear Druke, where is Axsyrus? Have I missed a set of events that led to his demise from your Order?

OOC: Impressive as usual
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Post by: druke on January 25, 2005, 04:03:20 am
RL issues
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Post by: Leiraine on January 25, 2005, 05:17:57 am
Congratulations Windy!!! *hugs* You so deserved it ^.^

*thinks of starting a tradition of promotion parties*
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Post by: ajdaha on January 28, 2005, 09:15:48 pm
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..ajdaha

wanna die?


\"No, why do you ask?\"

PS: I have my signature back, if only I had not been kicked out of the guild :(
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Post by: Phinehas on January 28, 2005, 09:33:19 pm
I think he was trying to be like... you know... scary. It\'s just so hard to be afraid of a Brown Wayer. I\'m sorry. That\'s just how I feel.

Oh, and I was dissapointed in the site. Somehow amidst all this joy over it I had gotten the impression that you were changing the actual layout. My bad. Oh, have there been any more entries to your library? If so let me know, I\'d like to read them.
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Post by: druke on January 28, 2005, 09:57:33 pm
so additions, mainly we\'re just omproving on the current layout(fixxed registering on the site) and windy is supposedly owrking on some apprentice code
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Post by: Icefalcon on January 29, 2005, 01:28:30 am
Hmm, congratulations Windwalker.

Is Axsyrus gone for good? Or is his inactivity temporary?
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Post by: windwalker on January 29, 2005, 02:32:25 am
supposedly  *cough* ya something like that *cough*

theres another poem in the diary Phinehas but other than that its a little slow...

axsyrus is gone for the forseeable future... (which means a long time)
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Post by: karakth on January 30, 2005, 11:42:22 am
And Druke is not a Brown Wayer...Druke is the Blue Wayer.

\'Tis I who is the Brown Wayer.
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Post by: Phinehas on January 30, 2005, 02:02:04 pm
Ok, Blue Way is different. Not too much more threatening, but different. Who does Azure and Red Way in your guild?
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Post by: druke on January 30, 2005, 04:32:33 pm
wind is azure, red way is open, however the council isn\'t really divided by way anmymore, more by job now
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Post by: Phinehas on February 01, 2005, 09:24:10 am
Yeah, that\'s what I grasped from your post about the reorganization. Can\'t say I prefer it this way, honestly I liked your other way of organization better, it was more unique, but oh well, not my business I guess.

Wind is azure... well gee, I should have figured that out. :P
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Post by: druke on February 01, 2005, 05:07:53 pm
we try to keep the council divided by ways to an extent, it is favored, however there aren\'t enough people of certain ways  :(  plus the repsonsibilites work well.
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Post by: Phinehas on February 01, 2005, 07:15:10 pm
Well, I would have joined, but you didn\'t leap at the ideal chance you had when I disbanded CE.

OOC: Not that I blame you. ;)
Title: New Apprentice
Post by: SnowWolf on February 11, 2005, 06:24:46 am
Selaros Anari begins his training with Windwalker of the Nightblades today. Please welcome and congratulate him on this, the first day of his journey upon the long road to entering our ranks!
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Post by: windwalker on February 21, 2005, 06:51:44 am
a few odds and sods have gone down...

Draco Whitefire\'s been promoted, i got a new apprentice like snow said....

and for all you heavy readers few new stories/writings have been added to the Library (http://arcane-order.com/viewsection.php?section=2) ... including part one of the Malentor Chronicles co-written by Leiraine and Cha0s.....

 to be honest im not sure if i should be calling the funny farm on them right now or not.... you be the judge
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Post by: windwalker on February 23, 2005, 06:40:57 am
Not to be seen as a double post.


Please welcome SaintNuclear  to the guild, he has been working with the AO for some time and has desided it is time to join us. For now I will be his master, there might be a change later on depending on circumstances and what Saint perfers. Send him your good wishes!
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Post by: Annah on February 23, 2005, 11:58:59 am
Wasn\'t Saint already in the AO?

 Anyway, congratulations man! You deserve a guild of honor, such is the Arcane Order ;)

 Again, congrats!
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Post by: Leiraine on February 26, 2005, 09:05:35 am
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to be honest im not sure if i should be calling the funny farm on them right now or not.... you be the judge


i thought being a nutcase was a requirement for AO membership...
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Post by: Phinehas on February 26, 2005, 11:49:44 am
I must congratulate you, the story was quite interesting. I must say that the alchemist in it immediately reminded me of me. ;)
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Post by: windwalker on March 01, 2005, 04:03:58 am
Selaros Anari (Cha0s_) has been promoted to Adept. Congratulations on passing the first stage of your training. Good luck with the more challenging tasks ahead!

The AO Bot is almost redone and will soon be a permament fixture in #arcaneorder and #planeshift on the irc.quakenet.org network.  He has undergone a name change so look for Tower_Imp if you want to talk to him. We added a few funnies to him so..... you might want to try !info Drunkard
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Post by: SnowWolf on April 04, 2005, 09:22:37 am
Here\'s a question for the public at large - what do mages in Yliakum act like? Is there a stereo type? (Different from the one you typically see in other MMORPGs?)

And another - do you have an suggestions for the AO as a guild in terms of RP and how we represent mages? (Be serious now! ;))
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Post by: TheRedMonk on April 04, 2005, 04:06:52 pm
To answer the 2nd question first, I think you do a great job. As individuals, most of you seem to talk and act like wise men, and as a guild, you do a great job recruiting only members that seem fit for your guild (which is part of good RP)

For the first question, if there is a stereotype then you would probably be the ones creating it, being the main mage guild and all. The only thing you need to take into consideration is that mages are keepers of great wisdom and power, and act thereafter.

I\'m no pro on mages but I think you do a great job :)
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Post by: SnowWolf on April 05, 2005, 02:17:58 am
Thanks for the input Tybalt.

The reason I asked about stereotypes was for that very reason - since we are, in part, responsible for maintaining the idea of what a mage is, I\'d like to hear what other players think would be a good way to RP a mage - and not just any mage, a mage living in Yliakum - that is to say, a new way of looking at the standard RP Archetype.

In other words, if someone wants to break the mold, having us promote the idea could help. ;)
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Post by: faldrok on April 05, 2005, 04:50:28 am
Stop being so damned snobbish!! Every mage you encounter in any MMORPG is snobbish for some reason. Whatever happened to the old, wise, white-haired guys? This new breed of mages is like 20-year-old punkers who think that they know-it-all already with limited studying. Now, this doesn\'t apply just to ArcaneOrder, but Phinehas as well. ;)

Not that I\'m saying it shouldn\'t happen, but c\'mon...let\'s be realistic. When was the last time you have seen a 20-year-old know more than an 80-year-old mage who has studied by the books every day of his long life since he was 8...that just DOESN\'T happen.

So, it\'s nothing too major to most people, but it bugs the SHIT out of me. If you can back it up, more power to ya, but I have yet to see anything from these 20-year-olds that are worthy to be called \"Elite Mages.\"
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Post by: windwalker on April 05, 2005, 05:23:02 am
dunno about public opinon on this one but i for one have noticed our snob level going down a bit as of the last 2 months...  (blaims it on Lei and Laith).... also dunno if thats a good thing or a bad thing.... on second thought i\'ll take the dirrect opposite of whatever Faldrok said.... whatever he did say... (ubber laziness) :P
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Post by: Phinehas on April 05, 2005, 09:55:29 am
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Now, this doesn\'t apply just to ArcaneOrder, but Phinehas as well. ;)

 :D  :D  :D

*ahem* Sorry, that was pretty funny. I admit that I do show too much knowledge in things I shouldn\'t know at so early an age, but this is due to a flaw in my RP, not my character, so don\'t blame him.

Ok, Snow to answer your question... I think there is a stereotype for mages in Yliakum, it\'s put in place by the AO and other important mages. I have no particular need to change it, nor can I necessarily describe it. I\'d also have to say that there\'s beginning to be a bit of a trend (set by me, I guess) of there being two sets of mages, the AO, and the others.

The only other thing I have to say on this topic is that I\'ve noticed an interesting thing about the AO, please don\'t take offense. Basically, I find that I like each of you individually, but when you\'re acting as a guild, there\'s something about your mentality and attitude that really... stinks. :))
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Post by: druke on April 05, 2005, 04:46:49 pm
as usual, that makes no sence, but w/e

i don\'t know ho anyone else is goign to roleplay themselves, but i personally like to RP

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I admit i do not know it all, but i DO no more than you.


 :P
 :]
 ;)
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Post by: Leiraine on April 05, 2005, 05:17:06 pm
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As individuals, most of you seem to talk and act like wise men


*gasps* Didn\'t expect that from you, Tybalt, not from you...

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our snob level going down a bit as of the last 2 months... (blaims it on Lei and Laith)....


eek, Phinehas\'s Top Secret AO-Desnobizing Brigade has been discovered :o *starts to slowly move toward the exit*
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Post by: Annah on April 05, 2005, 06:10:43 pm
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Stop being so damned snobbish!! Every mage you encounter in any MMORPG is snobbish for some reason. Whatever happened to the old, wise, white-haired guys? This new breed of mages is like 20-year-old punkers who think that they know-it-all already with limited studying. Now, this doesn\'t apply just to ArcaneOrder, but Phinehas as well. ;)

 Actually, those \"old, wise, white-haired guys\" where young some time in their past. Young, and maybe wise. No one is born old mate, and you have to start from somewhere. ;)

 And Phin is actually rp-ing very good, and he\'s cool, so as druke and windy and uhmm ... why are you \"fighting\"? :D

 And lynx, you just can\'t reply to say \"x is right\" No no no ... :P
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Post by: Draklar on April 05, 2005, 06:37:20 pm
I believe what Faldrok says (and what you obviously miss, Annah) is that knowledge and wisdom come with age. You just don\'t see young people showing knowledge and maturity of the elders, before the old people became wise, they probably went through years and years of apprenticeship themselves. No one is born old, but in same way no one is born wise.
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Post by: Annah on April 05, 2005, 07:01:07 pm
Maybe I agree with you. But this wasn\'t the point. The thing is that \"these young wizards\" will some day became the people you mention. Faldrok also gave an example, Phinehas, but he must understand that maybe someday he\'ll become that \"old, wise, white-haired guy\". I just said you have to be young, to become old. Simple ...

 Also, maybe there are younger persons who are wise even from this age. Everything is possible, isn\'t this the perfect world we always wanted?

 And again, what Faldrok sees, is his own image of what means to be a wizard. Maybe others have their own. Again, isn\'t this the perfect world we always dreamed at, where we can create our own \"vision\" of it?

 Just let everyone have their own \"image\" of themselves, don\'t force them have another you see.

 Think a little ...
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Post by: TheRedMonk on April 05, 2005, 07:34:41 pm
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*gasps* Didn\'t expect that from you, Tybalt, not from you...


Hey hey, I said nothing bad at all. I didn\'t mean wise men as something negative. ;) I meant that mages tend to know a lot and that most of you (hence how I used the words \"most of you\" in my first post too :)) talk like you know a lot, which is completely correct. Of course there are exceptions :P
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Post by: faldrok on April 05, 2005, 11:33:43 pm
Yes, Draklar understood what I was trying to get acrossed...good job. :P

Annah: Yes, I know you have to be young in order to someday be old, but when you roleplay a young character, don\'t act like an old character unless you roleplay a mentally insane person who doesn\'t know his age, but I doubt anyone has been previously roleplaying that part. With the books, I was talking in terms of Knowledge instead of Wisdom because I belive age/experiences make up that Wisdom, but Knowledge comes from studying. Let\'s say that 80-year-old mage has been studying 6 hours a day since he was 8. That is a total studying time of 157,680 hours. (I didn\'t calculate leap year or anything...) Now let\'s take the aspiring 20-year-old who has studied 14 hours a day since he was 5. That totals to 76,650 hours. Compare the two and you will notice that the 80-year-old has twice as much studying time which could, in part, make up his great deal of Knowledge. If this paced kept up, (and people were immortal) then yeah, the 20-year-old would catch up to, and pass, the 80-year-old.

In conclusion, I would like to sum all of this up. Yes, a 20-year-old mage can be wise/knowledgable/good at magic, but he, in no way, can act like an 80-year-old mage with all that knowledge under his belt. I was also going to say something else, but I went to the store when I was about halfway done with this post, so I forgot. If I remember, I will edit the post...

And yes, Lynx_Lupo can say \"X is right.\" as long as X = Faldrok. :D
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Post by: windwalker on April 05, 2005, 11:50:55 pm
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I find that I like each of you individually, but when you\'re acting as a guild, there\'s something about your mentality and attitude that really... stinks.


so thats the smell around the forums... ive been wondering 8)
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Post by: druke on April 06, 2005, 12:31:51 am
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 And Phin is actually rp-ing very good, and he\'s cool, so as druke and windy and uhmm ... why are you \"fighting\"? :D




what are you talking about?
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Post by: Lalaith on April 06, 2005, 05:51:49 am
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*gasps* Didn\'t expect that from you, Tybalt, not from you...


Hey hey, I said nothing bad at all. I didn\'t mean wise men as something negative. ;) I meant that mages tend to know a lot and that most of you (hence how I used the words \"most of you\" in my first post too :)) talk like you know a lot, which is completely correct. Of course there are exceptions :P


Tybalt, I\'m pretty sure Lei stressed on word men. Last time I checked, I was in AO and I\'m pretty sure I\'m a female.
Well, at least that\'s what I think Lei meant :P
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Post by: Phinehas on April 06, 2005, 01:05:27 pm
Faldrok, I don\'t see why one can\'t act knowledgeable at a young age. Sure Phinehas doesn\'t know everything, but he does know a heck of a lot. What\'s wrong with that? I haven\'t been acting like an old man as far as I know.

Heh heh, that was pretty funny Lei.

edit: Thanks for pointing that out, Drak. Now leave me alone, I\'m sick.
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Post by: Draklar on April 06, 2005, 03:34:06 pm
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Sure Phinehas doesn\'t know anything, but he does know a heck of a lot.
Good thing mages don\'t need to have a way with the words... ;)
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Post by: SnowWolf on April 06, 2005, 05:54:18 pm
I don\'t think I would say that I\'ve changed at all actually. :P

In terms of age, I don\'t know about the rest of the AO people, but I, for one, AM a geezer! :P So hah! (I didn\'t become the A.S.S. (great abbreviation eh?) overnight you know!)

Could I have some examples of snobbery? Until I hear them I can\'t really agree or disagree with any of these arguments intelligently. ;)

Also, the whole stereotype thing - I guess I still haven\'t gotten out the meaning of my question yet. We basically have two types here - wise, old, white-haired mage, and the young \'know it all\' mage. I\'m saying, from the perspective of an OOC Guild that promotes IC RP, are there any fresh stereotypes that you\'d like to see applied new characters?

For instance - \'I\'d like to see young mages that are cocky, but extroverted for once!\' (Since the current stereotype tends toward introversion, although there are notable exceptions.)
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Post by: faldrok on April 06, 2005, 11:48:51 pm
My point wasn\'t that a Mage can\'t be knowledgeable or wise, or that every old mage is knowledgeable and wise. But, instead, the point was, don\'t act like you know it all when, obviously, you don\'t. If you do happen to know it all, then prove it and be acknowledged for it. The End.

I don\'t have any logs or anything of Arcane Order being snobbish because, for the most part, that era has died off, and I lost al my old logs and shit. Sadly, we will have to revert to calling the Arcane Order by a different, err, insult I guess...but I think they liked being called \"snobs.\" Hmm, we need something good and fresh...
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Post by: windwalker on April 07, 2005, 04:15:42 am
sorry faldrok but its kinda hard to feal insulted by you no matter what name or label you come up with.... i can try real hard for you if you want tho.. :D
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Post by: Cha0s on April 07, 2005, 05:02:09 am
Young mages can not be wise, but they can be more learned in known spells, etc. The reason for this is that the spells and methods of study that existed when the old mages were studying are different from those available when the young mages are studying. Because technology progresses (yes, even magic, and even in PS), the young mages will have access to things the old mages had to make up (which took a lot of time). There may also be new ways of teaching young mages. Therefore, young mages can have the same general knowledge as old mages with minimal studying. However, the age and experience necessary to create their own spells, potions, etc. takes time and experimentation to develop.
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Post by: Draklar on April 07, 2005, 07:26:26 am
Isn\'t that a paradox? I mean the technology. If it progresses, then the way of people\'s thinking changes. Technology explains unexplained and people cease to believe in many aspects of the mystical manifestations.
So how is it supposed to help with studying arcane ways?

But still probably the most of PS mages I\'ll meet will be behaving like the modern scientists... not my kind of rp.
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Post by: SnowWolf on April 08, 2005, 01:13:25 am
Any mage will tell you - magic is just science you don\'t understand.

P.S. I don\'t like the \'scientist\' archetype though, I don\'t think it belongs in PS. (IMHO.)
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Post by: Cha0s on April 08, 2005, 04:49:51 am
Me neither. My point was only that magic does not stand still. Wise mages invent new spells, alchemists invent new potions, and those that teach the magic come up with better ways to do it. It isn\'t really science, but it does change.
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Post by: SnowWolf on April 13, 2005, 06:53:11 pm
I\'m surprised that this is all the fire I could conjure on this topic...  :P
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Post by: druke on April 14, 2005, 02:04:40 am
just thought i\'d mention that i actually did rp an older guy generally, or at least self invisioned myself as the \"Typical\" wizard, not just an upstart new guy.

i am having a hard time descerning to wether or not you dont like the rp of being a great sage, or the fact that our characters may not be all that great yet we roleplay like we are.
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Post by: Phinehas on April 14, 2005, 11:03:56 am
Who\'re you talking to, Druke?
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Post by: Draklar on April 14, 2005, 11:37:28 am
To himself probably... He\'s old and infirm... that is to be expected :P
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Post by: druke on April 14, 2005, 01:08:20 pm
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In conclusion, I would like to sum all of this up. Yes, a 20-year-old mage can be wise/knowledgable/good at magic, but he, in no way, can act like an 80-year-old mage with all that knowledge under his belt. I was also going to say something else, but I went to the store when I was about halfway done with this post, so I forgot. If I remember, I will edit the post...


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I believe what Faldrok says (and what you obviously miss, Annah) is that knowledge and wisdom come with age. You just don\'t see young people showing knowledge and maturity of the elders, before the old people became wise, they probably went through years and years of apprenticeship themselves. No one is born old, but in same way no one is born wise.



i mean are you refering to RL age or RP\'d age
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Post by: Phinehas on April 14, 2005, 01:41:01 pm
I think they\'re referring to RPed age. It\'s still wrong though, because it\'s actually great RP to play a young mage who thinks he knows everything. That\'s what it\'s like in real life, after all....
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Post by: Draklar on April 14, 2005, 01:58:34 pm
Oh really? Because in the other RPGs I played, when it came to apprenticeship to become a mage it wasn\'t like
\"All right, on your first day of apprenticeship you will learn the fireball spell!\"
But rather like
\"Bring me that! No wait, bring me the thing over there! And throw away this thing, what is it doing here anyway?! Wash the floor! Quit slacking off, you still have dishes to do!\"
Which resulted in the fact that young mages weren\'t able to use amazingly devastating powers :P
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Post by: Phinehas on April 14, 2005, 02:14:00 pm
Well, I can\'t speak for the others, but Phinehas never really apprenticed under anyone per se, so he got straight down to business. Even if he had apprenticed, it would have been when he was like 13, so he\'d be way past that now. Besides, he has yet to cast anything that\'s particularly fantastic.

By the way Drak, speaking of RP. You might explain to us how a tree-hugging bard pretends to know more of magic than actual mages.
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Post by: Draklar on April 14, 2005, 02:36:13 pm
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Well, I can\'t speak for the others, but Phinehas never really apprenticed under anyone per se, so he got straight down to business. Even if he had apprenticed, it would have been when he was like 13, so he\'d be way past that now. Besides, he has yet to cast anything that\'s particularly fantastic.
Yea, in those games magic was usually such a complicated force that you couldn\'t learn it by yourself. PS is different though :P
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By the way Drak, speaking of RP. You might explain to us how a tree-hugging bard pretends to know more of magic than actual mages.
Well for one thing Drak was studying magic before Phinehas made his first steps in this world ;)
Second, noticed how all those tree-hugging people in other worlds understood magic better than other tribes? Instead of reading the books, they lived by magic and magic lived in them.
Third, I\'m not a simple bard, but also a philosopher. I hold the understanding of people\'s minds. Even if my powers may not be devastating, I still may understand things better than many commoners. :P

In other words, I stop and think instead of changing my thought into a weapon of mass destruction.
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Post by: Leiraine on April 15, 2005, 07:27:58 am
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Originally posted by Draklar
...in the other RPGs I played, when it came to apprenticeship to become a mage it wasn\'t like
\"All right, on your first day of apprenticeship you will learn the fireball spell!\"
But rather like
\"Bring me that! No wait, bring me the thing over there! And throw away this thing, what is it doing here anyway?! Wash the floor! Quit slacking off, you still have dishes to do!\"


You obviously haven\'t talked to AO apprentices properly... :P
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Post by: Phinehas on April 15, 2005, 10:15:26 am
Really Drak, I\'m surprised at you. Surely you of all people would understand that magic is a complicated force, and that not everyone can learn it. However, when one has a special gift for it, and has dedicated one\'s life to the study of it, and has access to a library, and a teacher to start one off on his journey, then it is possible to master a few simple spells. This is all Phinehas has done really, he has great power, but lacks the ability to wield it. 13 years of study is already a decent amount for one so young.

You talk of mages in general as if they were commoners who all of a sudden know magic, too. They\'re not, they\'re men and women who have dedicated their lives to the study of magic. So it is not all that uncommon for them to master a few spells. Of course, if someone was summoning creatures after only a few days of study, then yes, that would be unrealistic, but I have yet to see this happen.

Quite frankly, I think that your knowledge of the Arcane is worse RP than ours. If you know so much of magic, then you probably know a lot about everything else too. How is that worse than powerlevelling?
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Post by: Draklar on April 15, 2005, 10:34:10 am
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Quite frankly, I think that your knowledge of the Arcane is worse RP than ours. If you know so much of magic, then you probably know a lot about everything else too. How is that worse than powerlevelling?
Quite frankly, your opinion on this holds little meaning for me :P
Ever seen works of philosophers who also have knowledge of physics? They often appear more open minded and understanding than the scientists who studied physics for far more time, even if they\'ll never construct a world-changing device. How about philosophers who studied theology? They may know less about speciffic religions, but will catch the flaws that narrow-minded priests refuse to accept.
In same way my char who studies magic, can\'t cast amazingly powerful spells, but at least he has deeper knowledge of what the magic truly is.
If you say this is bad RP, see the first sentence :P

Anyway, I don\'t think Druke or anyone else wants this topic to carry on, so I\'ll better shut up :P
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Post by: Phinehas on April 15, 2005, 11:06:38 am
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Quite frankly, your opinion on this holds little meaning for me :P

Good let\'s just leave it at that then.
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Anyway, I don\'t think Druke or anyone else wants this topic to carry on, so I\'ll better shut up :P

You\'re probably right. Let\'s go spam someone else\'s thread, shall we?
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Post by: Under the moon on April 16, 2005, 06:29:37 am
Like mine. :P

Seems as if one of your world famous arguments form Kada\'s has spilt in the guilds forum to me.

I agree with Draklar that many young apprentices know more about carrying water than magic, but I also agree that some may be born with the natural ability and need no great training, such as Phinehas. Others may have been imparted directly with the knowledge, with no learning at all, such as I, though I have no magic abilities of my own (except one, but it\'s not really magic, more of a transfer of energies).

I also agree that Drak thinks he knows too much. ;)
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Post by: Phinehas on April 16, 2005, 01:47:48 pm
Heh heh, I the more you post, the more I like you, Undermoon.

I\'d have to say that people like Lalaith and Leiraine are your more typical apprentices. And in fact, if you read some of the stories in the AO, you\'ll seet that they did have more of an apprentice idea like you described. Phinehas is different, and I don\'t know anyone other than him who is doing what Drak\'s accusing of.
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Post by: Xordan on April 16, 2005, 02:15:51 pm
Beh, I know the most about magic so there :P
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Post by: elscouta on April 17, 2005, 11:23:06 pm
Cheater, you are a member of the rule team ;)
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Post by: druke on April 27, 2005, 11:51:40 pm
Arcane-Order is proud to announce yet another new recuit.

Everyone please welcome Seluna to our ranks, she will be joining our ranks as apprentice under myself.
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Post by: windwalker on April 28, 2005, 08:07:11 am
*cough* Lovers *cough*
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Post by: druke on April 28, 2005, 11:30:25 am
*kicks windy*
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Post by: Phinehas on April 28, 2005, 12:36:23 pm
:D  :D  :D

Busted, Druke.

 :D  :D
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Post by: Karistina on May 02, 2005, 03:21:18 am
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Arcane-Order is proud to announce yet another new recuit.

Everyone please welcome Seluna to our ranks, she will be joining our ranks as apprentice under myself.


*scrolls up*

I never got announced on here when I joined up.  I\'d glare at my Master, but as I\'m just a lowly apprentice, I\'m sure that\'s frowned upon.
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Post by: Leiraine on May 02, 2005, 04:21:22 am
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I never got announced on here when I joined up. I\'d glare at my Master, but as I\'m just a lowly apprentice, I\'m sure that\'s frowned upon.


It\'s ok to glare at Windy, really. It\'s not like he\'d throw a fireball at you :D
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Post by: windwalker on May 02, 2005, 09:10:21 am
ive been lazy the last month.... or to busy playing games....

Morrowind
Sim city
Rollar coaster tycoon
prince of persia
halo 2
helbreath
axiomatic
NWN


see my days go like this... work, get home, go biking, get on computer at 10 PM, Game till 1 or 2 AM... go to sleep... see... no room for announcing anything.......  :D  :D  :D
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Post by: druke on May 02, 2005, 01:47:59 pm
Bleh and you call me a neglectful master Windy.

tish tish
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Post by: NewPie on May 13, 2005, 12:42:57 pm
Whoa... AO is still up -.-

I thought guild as dead as AO couldnt be up anymore -.-

*thinks about deadness of planeshift and the big amount of fans and thinks again.

I take my words back :G
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Post by: Cha0s on May 13, 2005, 04:55:32 pm
AO is going strong, thank you very much.
You must have been thinking of some other guild. ;)
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Post by: NewPie on May 13, 2005, 09:34:37 pm
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AO is going strong, thank you very much.
You must have been thinking of some other guild. ;)


You are AO newbie :p

Look at the past members list -.-

I left cause the guild was kinda dead and had mad people liek tepsunius and axsyrus :F
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Post by: Cha0s on May 13, 2005, 10:07:02 pm
NewPie: I know. I\'ve seen your name there before... and Tepsu is sort of with the guild (he\'s inactive). Ax is around occasionally, but even more inactive than Tepsu for the most part.

We\'re also a lot more active now, as far as certain projects go... ;)
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Post by: windwalker on May 14, 2005, 08:45:48 am
i thought we kicked you.... or am i confusing you with someone else.... i forget... my failing mind isnt as good as it used to be.... now where did i put that doomsday spell....
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Post by: karakth on May 19, 2005, 02:24:50 am
*Wanders out of the Tower Library*

I think the best way to describe AO activity would be as a  \"Sloth Machine.\" (Yes, it\'s a pun).

What I mean is, we generally have an outwardly slow metablosim, and we\'re vegeterians as far as guild wars are concerned. However, once we do something...Jackpot ;)

*Wanders back into the Tower Library*
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Post by: druke on May 19, 2005, 05:06:54 am
*wanders around the halls of the tower, looking for food (its like 2 am)*

*wanders about in a savage state of mind thinking...karakth\'s..brownies..hidden...*

\"where\'s...my ..glyphs\"

*suddenly Druke\'s Familiar (One of those feather pens, except legged) pops out of his pocket and begins hiding Druke\'s glyphs going on aobut some incedent concerning Drukem lack of sleep, and glyphs, however Druke hows no idea what his familiar, Larence, is talking about, and presses his search for karakth\'s hidden brownies further*

*Druke manages to yank a random glyph from Larence, and immediatly activates it mindlessly*

Swirls appear all about as Druke and laurence appear to fade in and out of their Corporal State. Then all at once they are relocated to some strange hall..far from karakth\'s brownies

\"Dangit Laurennnc..\"*druke\'s so zoonombified by lack of sleep he trails off and slowly alk down the hall*

*at the end of the hall he comes across a strange looking device, a boc with a sngle lever and three glass slots

Druke\'s eyes widen*

\"AHHA karaktha fund yu.....\"*Druke\'s barbaric half awake state of mind can bbarley focus*

*Pulls the lever*

*after no borwnies pop out druke grabs the glyph that got him here and reacitvates it, teleporting him somewhere else once again..in his epic quest for Karakth\'s brownies*

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I know..


Completly random


just was a funny thought when Karakth said AO is like a slot machine.

Could add more, make it more funny, but its funny to me, and thats what matters so.. HA