PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Efflixi Aduro on January 21, 2005, 07:50:57 am
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Now, most of the older people around here belive in enjoying a game, talking with people, having a great guild, some RPing, and then some \"leveling\" on the side. Now, with the flood of of the newbies theres no doubt people will show up wanting to get strong and rich, then own a guild that goes around winning guild wars. People have already gotten hundredes (in some cases, thousands) of P-points. These people will recruit others that power level which will turn into a bunch of power levelers in seperate \"guilds\" fighting for no apparant reason. These kind of people may seem controlable now, but, these guys will turn PS into a game like PT, RS, MU, etc.
And we all know this is not what we want. I think this is due to people looking for a new game to play when they quit playing whatever they used to play, and insead of looking at the whole ps site they think its just another MMORPG that they can try out, and ofcourse, play the same way they did the others.
So, I think somthing must be done to stop people from doing this before our community gets destroyed. Now, this doesn\'t mean we go kick out anyopne that is strong. I simply prupose that we put up more of somthing like a \"special note\" or somthing that would give people the actual idea of what the PS community is.
Just simply saying \"this is a rp game\" is not enough. A game we all know called Lineage 2 claims to be a RP game. Now, though it is a good game, we who have played it know that its far from rp.
To sum this all up I just think that we need a quick and bold message to post on the main page to get through to these people. A new intro movie might help too. Maybe showing some actual in-game rping or somthing,
Thanks for your time,
-Efflixi
EDIT, just noticed moggies thread. A mod can close or delet this if it seems useless. Not that its my choice anyways :P
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cant really force someone to RP either they RP or they dont
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I just had an idea.
A wipe each month,
Those who are RPing should have some possiblity of laying their back (some RP sequence a 1337er would never even touch).
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Well I just thought of a method that could be implimented that will discourage Power Playing (leveling), causing the players either to become more involved in RPing or leave the community all together on their on will. There should not be the need for GMs to be wasting time on the look out for these PPers, but rather observe RPers and award them with extra XP for good role playing.
Here is my idea of a solution to the problem, and yes the PPers will utterly dislike the idea. Restrict the amount of XP and PP that one can gather in a specified period. The period is a specified amount of real time the character is played, not account total playing time. For example 1 PP per 5 hours of real life time of playing the specific character. Each character has an accumulator recording the total amount of time the character has been logon, and another accumulator could be used that resets to zero each time the character is logon and the value could be saved into a DB for statictical purposes.
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This wold make it impossible to train for those who cant spend hours on the PC.
*sees the angerly starring corwd*
Hey what to do in a war inflicted by two concurrenting guilds, without ANY experience?
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Well first of all you can interpret so much in the world RP. We all know that there are hardcore RP and those who are beginners.
The best would be one or two races that only can be played through RP players.
This means that you need to learn some basic words of this races (otherwise no quests).
This means that other races can?t go in the zones where these RP races lives. In other hand you need to allow that these RP races to go everywhere.
Allowing HC RP to access some special areas where they can be under like-minded.
You must do something to separate all these OOC players from RP ones.
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Im glad that you enjoy rping but not everyone does and people are gonna play the game how they want to. Plus isnt it understood that theres going to be more then one server, I think a server dedicated to the hardcore RP\'ers would ensure that you can roleplay to your hearts content along with others that want to do the same.
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Originally posted by burntlikefire
Im glad that you enjoy rping but not everyone does and people are gonna play the game how they want to. Plus isnt it understood that theres going to be more then one server, I think a server dedicated to the hardcore RP\'ers would ensure that you can roleplay to your hearts content along with others that want to do the same.
No, it\'s firmly understood that there\'s only going to be one cluster of servers, which means only one world. There won\'t be seperate servers for RP\'ers, powerlevelers, etc.
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Originally posted by Xordan
Originally posted by burntlikefire
Im glad that you enjoy rping but not everyone does and people are gonna play the game how they want to. Plus isnt it understood that theres going to be more then one server, I think a server dedicated to the hardcore RP\'ers would ensure that you can roleplay to your hearts content along with others that want to do the same.
No, it\'s firmly understood that there\'s only going to be one cluster of servers, which means only one world. There won\'t be seperate servers for RP\'ers, powerlevelers, etc.
Which is why it is imperative that the RPers stop acting like brownshirts and start trying to coexist with the other players. I have yet on this board to see a persons who does not RP start a topic that express as much hate as the topics started by the RPers towards the other playing styles. I have also yet to see in the Player\'s Guide or this website an official rule that state that one must always role play while on the server. It being implied is not good enough for me.
I think it is great people have different ways to play a game therefore i do not hate role players. I however hate people who tell me how i should and shouldn\'t play a game. Unfortunately, they are the same people on this board.
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good idea fes, but what if we forced a test, so that they had to have read it ;)
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I admit to not understanding the problem, or maybe I understand it too well, you do not want to roleplay you want to enact, simulate without the need for accessories in fact what you want is what MB was a world where imagination ruled it all.
What the developpers are giving us is a theater with accessories and everything in it to help us play our character, you want to play a dwarven miner now you\'ll be able to get into the galleries and raise your pick to do so, you want to play an enki magician, now you have spells that you can cast.
Yes those accessories have given a lead to what you call levelling which is a way that was found to show the progress a person could make but do you really believe treating the people who at first only see this progress in the form of stats as outcasts is the way to go ? If so you are no better than they are because you only see it from your point of view and do not make any move to help them understand the beauty of roleplaying.
If I had one wish to make about stats it would not be to suppress them or suppress the speed at which you can progress but to hide them, no PPs anymore, no strength stats to show, you would only know about having progressed through being able to do more than you could before, this would not halt people from giving a background to their character but it would certainly stop the run for experience, PPs and the like, what would be the reason for power levelling when progress could not be quantified.
However such a move would be really hard to make as to do so you would need a perfectly well thought and balanced stats system to lay invisible behind the scene which is why I understand what we have now, don\'t look at it as an end you don\'t like look at it as a step in the way to the perfect game, and if that step so happens to bring levellers to our world then so be it, and lets try to show them that levelling is not the begin all end all (which is not something we are achieving by treating them as lower than dirt)
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While suggesting not showing stats is a good idea, there is no reason for it. I roleplay a little, but not all the time. I want to know what I\'ve accomplished, and my stats show me. Sure, I have \"memorys\", but I don\'t remember any of the battles from my other games. This isn\'t rl, and you people can\'t make it rl. This is a GAME. Sure, you roleplay in games, but you can only go so far. Some people may enjoy rp 100% of the time, but the fact is 95% of the rest of the gaming community either has no preference, or likes it a little, or not at all. If this game is made for JUST RPers, then it will fail. For most people, the feeling of getting a level is a reason to keep playing, but you are trying to take that away. And when you take that away, you take away 95% of the people who play this game.
I\'m not saying RPing is bad, or OOC \"power leveling\" is bad either. I\'m saying, as quite a few others have, we must all learn to live together. They make VERY valid points about how RPers keep making these topics, yet the bad-guy \"power levelers\" are doing nothing to the RPers. Maybe you guys should rethink your actions...
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I think a simple yet bold message on the site should do the job. And a test might actually help :P But ofcourse people would cheat their way out of it...
Im really running out of ideas on how to stop this. I still think the whole GM thing should do the job. And if people are too lazy to go around policing ps I would gladly do it for now. I mean theres a wipe coming anyways so I ould just go in game and \"teach\" people how to play ps :)
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Guys, this discussion is very weird....
PS is a GAME: a role playing one! not a role playing chat! There are threads for this in the forum.
im agree that somehow, players should have to do more than killing and killing, which means really have to interact with NPCs and other players and maybe rewards by implication in the game community could be a good idea.
But, delete char every month or even every year? So I spend one month or one year to build up a character, have a great Guild or be a part of one, have a house, have an important role to play and i\'ll start up all over?
Nobody will play PS this way....
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@ Sulatorc: We\'re all nazis here, didn\'t you know? We simply don\'t want to put up with the kind of people / behaviour that\'s destroying all other MMORPGs. Obviously, you never have been serious in RP, because otherwise you\'d know why we don\'t want powerlevelling and 1337. It\'s because of the one, most important thing that is required for RP: atmosphere. Not the breathing stuff, but the feelof the game. It is important to have this feel, and powerlevelling and 1337 destroys it, and makes RP less enjoyable or even impossible.
It\'s just like smokers vs. non-smokers: the smokers usually don\'t understand that they are extremely bothering everyone else. Usually they think \"it doesn\'t even smell very strong\", because to themselves it doesn\'t as they\'re used to it. Obviously, it is the one who bothers to contain it, and not that everyone else needs to \"tolerate\" it. Therefore, PS has every right to not tolerate powerlevelling and 1337, as it directly goes against PS\'s intent and meaning. It\'s the job of the non-RPers to either RP in PS or to leave.
As for \"there will always be people who play the game their way\": then they need to play a different game, because PS is not meant for them, just as a non-smoking area isn\'t meant for smoking. That\'s why it sais \"MMORPG\", not \"MMOPLG\" or something. The fact is, that they have been tolerated by commercial games because money is more important for them, but in PS, the emphasis is on RP, not money.
Just as ego-shooters aren\'t meant for RP, MMORPGs aren\'t meant for powerlevelling, and the players of each have every right to demand that everyone either accepts that or leaves.
Summarising, \"we RPers\" don\'t hate powerlevellers or 1337ers, we just don\'t want them in PS, because it\'s not the right game for them, and they destroy it for everyone for whom it is the right game. They can go destroy commercial games, but not PS.
Edit: @ Azuros: I don\'t think this should be implemented, either, and also think that there needs to be char development through skills. However, it must be somehow tied to RP so that it\'s not possible to grind,. Alternatively, GMs need to go hard on everyone who powerlevels or 1337s.
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I would just like to mention that I am completely against any sort of \"You may only get this amount of such-and-such per time limit of so-and-so.\" Roleplaying does not mean sitting around the tavern and talking about your days of the past. It can mean actively gathering something with friends, or battling something with team-mates, watch this, all day long. That\'s right. A single player may even want to do that by him- or herself, all day long, because let\'s face it, characters can often have intense training sessions in the RP world too. How are you going to judge who is a powerleveler and who isn\'t? Is it just the l337 speech aspect of it that needs to be removed? Or perhaps everyone needs a \"deeper\" excuse for every action they take, or every rat they kill, or every bar of ore they collect?
Somehow I feel that this is all going to be blown out of proportion one day.
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Originally posted by Karyuu
I would just like to mention that I am completely against any sort of \"You may only get this amount of such-and-such per time limit of so-and-so.\" Roleplaying does not mean sitting around the tavern and talking about your days of the past. It can mean actively gathering something with friends, or battling something with team-mates, watch this, all day long. That\'s right. A single player may even want to do that by him- or herself, all day long, because let\'s face it, characters can often have intense training sessions in the RP world too. How are you going to judge who is a powerleveler and who isn\'t? Is it just the l337 speech aspect of it that needs to be removed? Or perhaps everyone needs a \"deeper\" excuse for every action they take, or every rat they kill, or every bar of ore they collect?
Somehow I feel that this is all going to be blown out of proportion one day.
already has... already has :(
only thing i dont like is the 1337 speak, if they dont bother anyone and do their own stuff, their fine, its just the speech ruins the setting for me... powerlevelers arent really ok, but as long as they dont cause any real problems, such as \"n00b\" killing and such, then I guess they can be left alone...
just leave them alone, i dont see anyone staying here for a period a time without friends, this game will really revolve around your friends and who you know... so if they want to be alone, let them do that
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*looks up at the discussion to date.*
however, at this point in time. i think the joke\'s on the power levelers. there is a reset pending. and only the rpers will come through intact.
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Originally posted by Harkin
only thing i dont like is the 1337 speak, if they dont bother anyone and do their own stuff, their fine, its just the speech ruins the setting for me...
And this can be easily taken care of if your character just stares in befuddlement at the 1337-er and asks why he or she is speaking in numbers. Or just ignore them. Or tell a GM. There is no way to set up an automatic regulatory system, us players have to solve this by ourselves.
This was expected - how can you add combat to a game and not expect the 1337 subculture to sneak in? It\'s not a big deal, CB has been released just a short time ago, there will be a character wipe soon (and perhaps more in the future), and I am sure that we are more than capable of fixing the non-RP situation. So instead of ranting on the forums, let\'s do something in-game.
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I apologise in advance for my upcoming long-windedness:
Now, I\'m new at all this but I do know what I want to see in this game. And this ain\'t it. I think a healthy gaming experience requires balanced doses of roleplay and adventuring (but the \"grind\" really sucks).
So let me make some suggestions that may help alleviate SOME of the \"problems\" that some of you see here.
-I don\'t like seeing \"PLZ HELP ME I NEED LEWT 2 GET A NEW SORD I NOT 1337 ENUF TO PWNZ RATZ THX\" any more than anyone else. Here\'s how much of it could be eliminated:
Leetspeak seems to heavily favor numbers and special characters. In Say, Shout, and /me (action) modes, the only acceptable characters should be letters, !, ?, ,(comma), .(period), -, \', and \". When you\'re really speaking, \"numerals\" have no real meaning anyway. Furthermore, ! , ,, and ? must follow a letter and be followed by a space. You should, however, be able to form an elipsis (...).
If a message breaks any of these guidelines, the server will replace it with \" mumbles unintelligibly.\" Certain recognized \"words\" (plz, thx, lewt, hlp, etc.) would produce the same response. This would be server-side. And it should be fairly easy to parse, since it\'s only looking for individual characters and simple two-character patterns.
However, /tell and /help stuff must accept any characters, otherwise people who aren\'t aware of this rule won\'t be able to find out how to fix it. Also, if such a feature is implemented, the communication system must be discussed AT LENGH and in excruciating detail, with emphasis on this \"rule.\" On the FIRST PAGE of the Players\' Guide. What we have now in the Players\' Guide about communication is simply not adequate.
-Other things to consider doing:
Invititations into groups or guilds, or challenges can only be sent to characters who are in a line-of sight of the sender and within Say distance. I got asked to join a guild whien I was all by me lonesome in the depths of the sewers. Not really cool, in my opinion! Also, each player must Say at list one message while in LOS of each other before Invites can be sent.
In summary: Characters may only speak in words. Characters may only invite or challenge a preson WITH (not just to) whom they are speaking. I believe measures like this would help alleviate some of the issues that are arising from the typical manner of communication, which is my chief annoyance with the game.
So all you leetspeakers, it will be to your advantage to learn how to \"speak\" in a more understandable manner. I\'ve been researching several online RP communities and in nearly all of them acting OOC is a bannable offense. I certainly hope it doesn\'t go that far here.
But to the fanatical RP\'ers, I have this rant:
You\'re contemplating just going around and killing people just because they don\'t conform to your narrow view of how people should behave? What would that accomplish? How could they POSSIBLY learn anything from such an encounter? It would never even cross most of their minds that their behavior is what prompted that response. As far as 95% of them are concerned, they just got PK\'d. For no apparent reason. The communities I mentioned earlier have something to say about this as well. It\'s called griefing, and it ALSO is a bannable offense. If you don\'t have an IN-CHARACTER reason to kill another player, your action is OOC.
It will also turn off a lot of people who only encounter people all over the place killing each other in hate. Sure, we\'ll drive off a lot of losers that way. But we\'ll also lose a whole lot of new talent in the process.
Also, though I mentioned how much I hate \"the grind\" in general, it also has its place in a pure RP world. I would like my character Eijog Sharphide of the Stonebreaker clan to be a master armorsmith. Right now I cannot \"legally\" roleplay that character, in my opinion.
Why?
Because right now Eijog is a complete wuss. I can talk about \"me legendary smithing\" abilities till my face turns blue, but anyone who looks at my stat sheet will know that it\'s complete BS because my Armor Repair skill is A BIG FAT ZERO. I will need to train that up (when I can), and that means leveling, and that means adventuring, and that means a little bit of the grind. Not all grinding is out of character! In real life most of you \"grind\" eight hours or more a day -- to get your paycheck! And that is ABSOLUTELY in character for you!
If you\'re gonna roleplay somebody, your stats have to match your descriptions. If they\'re not, you\'re full of &%$@. These aforementioned other communities have words about that too: It\'s called cheesing, and it\'s considered being just as OOC as talking OOC constantly. And it\'s a bannable offense.
And you think the upcoming wipe is actually gonna CHANGE anything? Wake up and smell the coffee! They\'re here, and in general, they\'re not going away.
So, until the time that ALL the skills that I need to have in order to roleplay the character I want to roleplay in the manner I wish to have him to be roleplayed are implemented, my character will continue to be a simple-minded rat hunter who occasionally will hang around in the tavern shooting the &%@$ with all the friends he\'s met in his adventures.
ALL of them. And always in character.
Thank you for your patience with me. But seriously consider making changes to the chat system similar to those I suggested. I think it could help A LOT.
*EDIT* I\'m not sure I wanted this in this thread or the \"moral speech\" thread. Oh well. \'Guess it\'s the same either way. Have a nice evening, and have fun playing! I\'ll try to be there for the pilgrimage!
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That was entirely worth the read, and articulated far better than I could have at the moment. Really raised all the points I wanted to share but didn\'t have the energy for. Thank you! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/karyuu/kaoani/Rockon.gif)
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The fact is, that they have been tolerated by commercial games because money is more important for them, but in PS, the emphasis is on RP, not money.
Just as ego-shooters aren\'t meant for RP, MMORPGs aren\'t meant for powerlevelling, and the players of each have every right to demand that everyone either accepts that or leaves.
Summarising, \"we RPers\" don\'t hate powerlevellers or 1337ers, we just don\'t want them in PS, because it\'s not the right game for them, and they destroy it for everyone for whom it is the right game. They can go destroy commercial games, but not PS.
I truly understand about what you are saying. However this is not truly about RPing but really about how things are presented to the public. This was presented like any other mmorpg but it is not. There is no reference on the front page stating one must role play. There is no reference in the Players Guide stating one must role play. I see no reference that i must role play until i hit a topic such as this. If that is the wish of the community then i would think the webmaster, the person writing up the Player\'s Guide, or even the game itself would have mentioned this. I believe that is a grave oversite on their part and not thinking of the wishes of the community which does not want 1337 n00bs, power levelers, or any other non role player. Don\'t you think so also? I hope they change this soon to avoid any other problems from non role players regardless if they are or are not 1337 n00bs or power levelers. Both of which i do not consider myself as a gamer.
If it is the wishes of the developers to have non-role players by not mentioning them on the front page or the Players Guide then you guys need to work with them, the non role players.
Any way you look at it the people writing the Player\'s Guide, the webpage, and possibly the code are not in sync with the community\'s wishes. I fear for this community if that continues. I also believe many more of this similar topic will be discuss in the future.
I do want to apologize for the brownshirt comment. However i believe no one should be told how to act or play a game. That is why the people who are running the show (webmaster, coders, others) should make aware to other people what they are getting involved with when they download this game. That they must role play or be in jeapordy of being banned.
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If you want to RP then you need to have a character. Your character at the begining of the game sucks. Unless you want to roleplay the bum on the street you have to \"level up\" your character. My point is that, while some people play for levels and others play to role play, if they dont bother each other then who cares? Or it could be that while you say that powerleveling is wrong for RP games, you have to do it to be able to RP effectivly. (unless I am misunderstanding what you mean by powerleveling)
Also, if this game is to be played only with RP then I personly think it will not live up to the potential it has. While I do enjoy RPing, that is not the only thing I look for in a game. I like to feel that I have accomplished something, gaining levels. Otherwise I am just \"wasting\" my time reading a book. I\'m not saying that reading books is a waste of time, just that I can do that elsewhere. Part of having a successful game is to do something better than other games and if I can do something elsewhere, possibly better, that there is no point in playing this game.
What happens if you want to just talk to your friends? Right now that is very tedious so every one just talks outloud \"ruining\" the atmosphere of the game. That might just be the unfinished state of the game though.
On that point, this is not a finished game, far from it. While I got the impression that RP was the intent of this game, others might not. At the moment , in my opinion, there should be more time spent on getting stuff into the game, not trying to solve how to make RP a part of the game.
Actually, (I\'m thinking while I type) that should be near the top of the list of things to do, now that I put it that way.
Wow, I feel like im writing an essay! Either that or I am ranting, which I would have done on Runescape, if i had been a member and could use the forums. Now that is going off topic so I think I will stop typing now.
Good day to you sir.
(or madame as the case might be)
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The point isnt to kep people from being strong -_-
I plan on being as strong as, wait, no one will be as strong as me :D
We ar trying to preveent people who do not RP at all and just fight. Not people who can get strong fast.
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Well if they are only fighting then they arent runining the atmosphere, unless they are killing all the monsters so no one else can kill them.
Man I have to work hard at my spelling and not using abreviations that arent really abreviations! Damn you MSN... oh wait I never used MSN. Damn you Runescape!
I think the point of this thread is to keep people from being ignorant and not apreciating that other people have wants too. That they happen to be a RP environment is pretty big for a game that is open to the public. While I enjoy RPing, other people don\'t so if I respect that others wishes we will all live happily every after, untill the evil witch comes... DUN DUN DUN!
I think that having a server for RPing and then another server for everything is a good idea, being able to use characters on both servers depending on your preference. If that can\'t happen then have the option to ignore or censor \"leet\" speech as you people call it.
Another long post! Starting to sound like my english class,
\"And I want you to write a 500 word paper on power levelers on PlaneShift by tomorrow\"
Sorry if I seem a little random, as that seems to be the case.
Good day to you sir.
(or madame as the case might be)
P.S. Lol (sorry \'bout that, couldn\'t contain myself!) It seems to me that you cant say other MMORPG names on the forums so the-game-that-shall-not-be-named (reminds me of Harry Potter) in this post is RS. If you don\'t know what that is then, well... you need to get out from under that rock!
I don\'t mean to offend any one by my post(s), so if you take offense, I appologize in advance.
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maybe the devs could set aside a small server for the PL\'s to play on. personaly after DB wipe I am hopefull that the PL\'s will just get so pissed that they lost all there \"hard earned\" crap that they will just leave. but I say if they wont then just give them a little server with complete PK and let em have at it.
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How about this. If we see players playing the guy to gms. The watch the guyfor a while and if it prooves to be true, we have a \"database wipe\" on him :)
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that works to :D
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Guys, it has already been stated several times (in this very thread, for fire\'s sake) that there will not be separate \"worlds\" for RPers and PLers. Let\'s deal with this and move onto other suggestions.
Preventing the use of numbers in the chat is a good idea, in my opinion. Applying 1337 sensors will also help in the beginning. However, the best method to deal with this problem by far is to just try to roleplay with these people, bring them into that \"roleplay environment,\" or report them to a GM if they get too aggressive.
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:( Karyuu makes to much sense......so sad i now have no choice but to live with them. feals like an ex girl i had
allways just wanting to fight someone. had to live with her to dang 12 month leases
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What is actiolly so bad in power lvlers?
They cant do any harm if you want just to rp- you dont race them afterall do you?
I dodn see any conflict exept your whining and being envy for someones \"strength\" .
If you dont want to exp just DONT.
By the way developing you char and teamplay to get something(exp ,loot) is good way to create community.
Explain me why you dont want other players to focus on this , just as you focus on rp?
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Powerplayers is a tricky subject, pacy... there are many types, and sooner or later *everyone* will fall into someone else\'s definition.
For those who are worried, I\'m probably one of these PPs at the moment - the game is Beta, so I\'m doing my best to test various boundaries. Pick a skill, max it, and map how it behaves along the way, see when it works and when it doesn\'t, and what side effects (good or bad) are produced. This is beta, after all, and this is our actual job - not playing for fun, unless you are assessing the fun\'s viability. In short, do not get too alarmed at anything yet - the game is nowhere near being in production, and raising bounding issues as \"impacting the quality of the beta\'s gameplay\" is nowhere near appropriate... there is no gameplay yet. When the game nears leaving beta, that\'s another issue... and you\'ll be completely correct - but not yet. Boundaries must be examined, now, while we can.
I\'ve read some interesting suggestions on how to combat the PP issue, and I have a few comments on what I\'ve seen.
a) Do not mix issues. Leet speak has nothing to do with power levelers, for example. One bird, one stone.
b) Define your issues carefully. Half of the posts state a problem with people maxing a stat in 20 minutes, for example. Then they discuss the problem from the perspective that the maxed_stat is the issue, not the rate in which it was achieved. All of this, when in fact neither are the issue, but are actually symptoms - the poster\'s actual issue is a concern about the game becoming a competitive (and possibly monopolized) goal-oriented system, e.g. EverCamp and EBayQuest.
There\'s a few things to consider as you guys evolve a solution - and I\'m confident you will. However, bear the following in mind:
\"Snapshot\" mentality. My toon is maxed on several skills, and did so over a relatively short time via massive grinding. A few other toons have similar stats - and did so over a long period using more traditional methods. From a snapshot perspective, though, the two toons are identical... walk the data, and only the names are different and neither has an advantage over the other. You need to remember this before suggesting \"cap\" based solutions... the real issue is invariably twinking of some sort, and caps will not resolve this.
\"Everybody plays like I do\" mentality. I love these games for their social aspect (grouping), but am generally screwed by real life. If a fire alarm / car wreck / whatever comes in, I have to go, literally \"bye\"... and it directly impacts my options when playing. You won\'t, for example, find me committing to a large, long term \"group\" - it isn\'t fair to them since my leaving will suddenly make them non-viable, and quite frankly I don\'t want to log off my toon in the middle of the worst dungeons in the game. Instead, I\'m primarily going to be solo, or in non-comitted \"easy-out\" sorties where leaving won\'t screw the group.
And therein lies the problem - I want to experience those areas. And to do so, I\'m going to need to do it mostly solo... and thus far, all of the ideas I\'ve seen will directly impact my ability to do so. And as a side note, I will *not* be brought along as a charity case. I want to contribute, and deserve my place.
I\'m hardly unique in this respect, nor this situation - the casual player has a window of when they are available to play, the only difference being that the \"I have to go\" near the end of that window is usually predictable, and usually has some measure of leeway. That my window is unilaterally terminated by an asynchronous pager-beeping simply means I can serve as a general case... my playing-window might be 5 hours or might be 5 minutes, and I do not know which. Either way, I have to remain viable to my peers in the game, regardless of my window size. Otherwise, I cannot play with them... which is the whole point of playing in the first place.
The shorter the playing window, the more goal-oriented the player must be in order to participate in the social aspects of grouping. \"Our guild is going here next week!\" \"Oh, I can\'t even hit those things. I won\'t be able to contribute unless I skill up.\" Also notice that the quantity of windows is irrelevent; 10 hours in a single window compared to 10 hours over 20 30-minute windows, you all know which player won\'t be grouped, nor be doing anything of merit. In every game I\'ve played thus far, every solution meant to check the big-window players has completely screwed the small-window players... the result being an even bigger polarization between the two. You have to remember - a big-window player has the option of playing in small window timeframes when it\'s needed for a goal, and still retains a big window once that goal is complete. A small-window player only gets... small windows. Then come the rare day when the small-window player actually has a large window to play... well, most of the solutions offered thus far would make it a moot experience.
One thought I did have (they\'re rare), though, is training. Right now, it\'s done by NPCs. And several have raised issue with \"power levelers\"... they damage and impede the social nature of the game. Hmmm. Perhaps introduce a social aspect to training...? Train off of other players, and perhaps not allow the same person (or people) to rank you repeatedly, or something. Rapid training would still be possible, but doing so would require a larger social circle which has the option of ignoring you. Done wrongly, it\'ll have no impact - but if done right, it could be like nails on a chalkboard to the people you wish to avoid, and could act as an attritional method of removing the anti-social types.
Ah well, it\'s a good topic and a great challenge - see ya\'all in game.
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i admit, i am somewhat a power leveler :/
i own all the weapons i can use and maxed out in all fighting classes available
but i also do a lot of rp\'ing.
i just train so high to be able to defend and gamble
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Most of the neer peopl seem to be defending Power leveling. You guys don\'t understand. Its like running out on the street naked. You dont do it. Its just commen sense. And if you want to do that you join a nudist colony (in this case another game). You may not be bothering us but the REAL ps players would rather have RAL RPer\'s waste the servers bandwidth instead of people who \"dont do anything\"
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I don\'t think you have the right to determine who a \"real\" PSer is, Aduro...
It has been stated several times that powerlevelers don\'t actually harm anyone if they mind their own business - you will not be able to make them leave just because they don\'t roleplay. If there is no flooding of OOC chat, if there is no continual duel invites or PKing, on what basis will you throw these people out? That they don\'t meet in the tavern too often?
If this is the way it\'s going to be, then perhaps before being allowed to load the game a player will have to sign a \"Roleplaying Agreement,\" the breaking of which will result in an account deletion? And who is going to go around judging who roleplays or who doesn\'t, or what is the \"real\" acceptable way?
1) Get rid of numbers in the chat.
2) Try to roleplay with those who don\'t seem to get it.
3) Report to a GM if situation gets out of hand.
What is so difficult to grasp?
Not only that, but many people have raised great points here that one of our jobs is to test the system, which -means- pushing characters to their limits.
Maybe someone should define the term \"Power Leveler\" before we get any further?
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I never said Im the one choosing who are the real ps players.
If ou dont see a problem in this then good for you, but, I do and Im going to fight for my point just like you are for yours.
EDIT My defintion of a powr levveler.
Does not RP. Does not group up. Only fights alone. Does not want to be talked to. Makes a guild with no story or anything. Name is Swiftassasin, Metallica, Blood Killer, or somthing along those lines. Will PK people if they bother him/her by asking qustions like \"Will you please help me?\".
I have said it before and Ill say it again. I am not against people who are strong. But I am against people like that ^^^
Now, about the real players. I would rather have somone that Rp\'s is active in a guild. And is quite strong instead of somone who doesnt talk and runs around killing everything in site.
MMORPGS arn\'t 1-player games.
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Originally posted by pacyfikator
What is actiolly so bad in power lvlers?
They cant do any harm if you want just to rp- you dont race them afterall do you?
I dodn see any conflict exept your whining and being envy for someones \"strength\" .
If you dont want to exp just DONT.
By the way developing you char and teamplay to get something(exp ,loot) is good way to create community.
Explain me why you dont want other players to focus on this , just as you focus on rp?
The game is a roleplaying game. The focus is on RP. People who don\'t roleplay DO harm the game. Seeing people speaking totally out-of-character makes newcomers act the same, and before long, nobody in the game roleplays- it turns into another nasty little pleveler/leet-speaker heaven.
Is also ruins other people\'s roleplaying experiences, seeing people running around talking about how they need 90 Str to use a sword and that they have 50 PP to spend and asking what NPC trainers can teach them beyond level 20. No, no, no. That belongs in the Help channel. It belongs in (ooc brackets like this). It does not belong as a normal part of speech that you hear all the time on the streets.
Is it selfish to ask RP to be enforced? Not in this game. But it IS selfish to ask us not to enforce it, because unless Talad has changed the ideals he has had for the past 4 years, this game is RP enforced and it always will be. If you don\'t like it, play something else, or start writing your character histories and practicing your medieval speech.
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Syn gentle Moogie axed everichon to dighten oure tongue, I shall gyen iche on of you. Even maugree of my lack of knowlege of it.
:D
http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~chaucer/pronunciation/
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=english&x=20&y=22
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As someone already wrote - first thing is that we need to define \"Power levleling\".
I understood it is a player who focuss on getting exp or skills and tak to players ocassionally or when need to team / with a guild.
Moogie you seem to make Plvler = to one that ask question /speak about technical part of game.
Those are mostly newcommers that HAVE TO ask those questions in order to start, as they are not answered in manual and they(players) are too \"newbs\" to even know about forum.
Besides there have to be something to be acheved in game otherwise it would be chat.
Plaing your character is additional thing connected with developing its stats, but not the only one!
On the other hand i understand that noncharacter speach spam might ruin RP fun (that has not much to do with p lvl in my opinion).
I saw a nice solution for this in another game.
There was a trade chat and a NON-RP chat made for players who dont RP.
It would solve problem with general chat channels.
Additonally players might have option to ignore someone - that would hide anything is said by ignored person.
Any ideas for restricting on exp or so are in my opinion.
**i would apreatiate if you correct my english - im still learning**
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Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
I never said Im the one choosing who are the real ps players.
Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
You may not be bothering us but the REAL ps players would rather have RAL RPer\'s waste the servers bandwidth instead of people who \"dont do anything\"
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/karyuu/kaoani/bored.gif)
Anyway. Let me get this straight. A player who will mind his own business, rarely talk to others and does so decently without anything that screams OOC, will be shunned and perhaps even kicked off?
We seem to have a real fuzzy line between acceptable and unacceptable behavior. I suggest we sharpen that up before taking any actions.
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You know damn well the type of people im talking about so stop pissing me off. Im usually very calm and nice but ur getting on my last nerve. Stop bveing a smartass unless you want all these dumbasses infecting the community.
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I think that the fatigue system will help prevent powerlevelers - but I am not saying that it will stop the \"leet speak\" and anti-social behaviour that goes along with it.
How I think fatigue should stop powerleveling is this:
Leet Drklord goes out intending to powerlevel his way to level 60 in sword.
He kills about 20 rats, then starts to feel tired. He now takes longer to kill a rat, inflicting less damage and taking more hits (due to leaving more openings, not blocking right, etc).
His fatigue meter now shows 10%. He is now panting heavily, aching all over, hitting slowly and just about being eaten alive. With a comment of \"Rp-ing suxors\" he resolves to keep fighting. When his fatigue meter reaches zero he collapses. Nearby roleplayers decide to save him from being eaten alive and carry him of to an inn. To replenish his fatigue meter he must eat and drink, then rent a room at the inn. There is a player musician playing in the inn. The roleplayers give him small tips, a few tria. Leet Drklord refused to give the poor guy a single tria. Because of this, the inkeeper throws him out of the inn. Until he behaves courteously he cannot get his food , drink and proper sleep and so gets sick, loosing hits slowly.
He gives in and rests several nights in town to replenish his energy. He can then go back to killing more rats, and will have hopefully realised that powerleveling in this game can\'t be done, and he would have more fun if he joined a group and made some friends.
(Finally I\'m finished !)
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Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
Stop bveing a smartass unless you want all these dumbasses infecting the community.
You don\'t seem to quite get my point :\\ Please calm down and try to understand what kind of people -I- am talking about.
I don\'t see people who \"solo\" without disturbing behavior as dumbasses. What seems to be the main problem currently is people who talk OOC, around topics such as stats, or random duels, or the general craziness of numbers. This is the problem. A guy killing rats repeatedly until he maxes out his fighting skill isn\'t the issue, so it\'s not \"powerlevelers\" that are bothering you but the OOC aspect of many people\'s conversations.
A powerleveler is not always associated with OOC talk and 1337 speak. They are two different issues.
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My definition of a power leveler is someone who train alot, therefore has high skills. I don\'t have a problem with people who train alot (or have high skills), as long as they do not interfere with the playing environment, by braging, stealing kills, hoging all the monster ect.
You have to define roleplaying too because people have different opinions on what that means aswell. Some people might think that if you have to roleplay all the time it won\'t be fun, which is the case sometimes because no one wants to roleplay all the time. While roleplaying can be fun and funny, somepeople take it too far. Roleplaying in my books is when some one creats a charcter and then pretends to be them, saying things that they would say - not neccesarily using another language (and yes, ye olde english is another language) - , doing things that they would do.
Power levelers aren\'t the real problem here, I think. It is that people don\'t roleplay, causing the game\'s medival/ magical environment to be destroyed. Atleast brought closer to reality, which isn\'t the point of a FANTASY game.
I see that people got my point, which I didn\'t really explain as much as I should have in my last post, about the game not being finished. I agree that right now we shouldn\'t be complaining about power levelers. We should however be coming up with ways to deal with them, as well as with how we will deal with people who don\'t roleplay for the final version, or closer to the time when the game will be officialy completed. I liked the idea about having a separate chat channel for roleplaying and normal talking, infact that is almost the same way it is set up now. It would be simple to impliment that, I might be wrong on this as I\'m not a programmer but it is logical, atl east to my mind, that is it almost as simple as copy and paste.
I am a noob to PlaneShift so I don\'t have any clue as to how most things in this game work, but if it is anything like the other MMORPGs I\'ve played, excluding the unfinished state and this one being without annoying high level people harrasing you. I am having a very difficult time learning this game compared to other ones, whether that is because my machine isn\'t at the minimum req\'s ( I\'m working on that), or because of all the bugs, or just because it has a high learning curve, it stands to reason that other people will have a hard time learning it too. In which case they will not know about the roleplaying aspect, or not think that it is as important as most of you people want it to be, so they will ask for help without roleplaying. If that bothers you than I believe you need to work on you \"accepting others for who they are\" skills. If, however, they are asking for \"help\", as in \"How can I train the fastest?\" that shouldn\'t be tolerated.
EDIT - Please someone tell eveyone what OOC and 1337 mean as I don\'t think I would do a good job at doing that.
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Eh sorry for losing my cool. I was really pissed at a friend and I let out some misplaced anger.
I agree that OOC people and 1337 people ar the main problem but almost all of them are power levelers so, ya. Now that we know the type of popele we are talking about, what can be done to stop them?
Ima go in game and police around a little. I wanna see peoples reactions when I try to correct them. Ill be taking down names too so watch out 1337 ppl here I come ;)
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I see someone requested an easy definition for the thread\'s readers.
*steps in*
OOC is out-of-character chat, such as discussing Monday Night\'s Football game.
1337 is the use of numbers or abbreviations as replacements for letters or words. It is difficult to read and aggravating to us \"Use Proper English, Darnit!\" types.
OOC: Have you seen Bitney Spears\' latest album?
1337: n0 i havnt c@n u plz give free stuf 2 me!?
Others may consider 1337 to be only it\'s higher-level form, originated by hackers and nearly impossible to read.
*steps out*
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Originally posted by Chewy gumbal
My definition of a power leveler is someone who train alot, therefore has high skills.
Well, anyone who roleplays that he is strong must be a powerleveler. Hmm... Yeah. This topic has gotten real old real fast...
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You did wonderfully Monketh.
Never said that someone who power levels can\'t roleplay, or vice versa. Nor did I say that people who have high skills are power levelers, only that if you power level you will probably have high skills.
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Well after going around ingame IC I found one guy who thought I was nuts because I used the word Realm. Another just ignored me. Anyone who I mentioned that their guild needed a site just ran away or didnt respond. Somone ran into the tavern and said random unrelated things and was actually refusing to RP though he claimed he could. Countless people wouldn\'t respond at all to any question I asked. Not a single person answerd my newb questions which i was asking IC. And the list goes on...
The one place I found to be full of RPers is the tavern though. Seems the OOC and 1337 stay away from there.
I saw many GM\'s who did nothing to stop this eighther. Like that one guy who ran around asking where to buy the biggest sheild.
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Hehe, I see you did your research well. I do think that having to have a site if you want to start a guild may be a little bit much, but encouraging that isn\'t. What if you don\'t know how to make a web site?
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I had a similar experience to Fes\'s, sadly. I found one or two people who were in character (Moorlocke, Avriel), but the general situation was bad.
I got challenged and tried to get rid of the darn pop-up, but it thought I said yes... The guy got a lecture.
For me, the Tavern only had gamblers, lots of them.
This is becoming a problem as it is agravatingly hard to find someone IC.
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So we have OOCers, gamblers, and people going around doing surveys to see who RPs... hahaha, just can not help but laugh at the situation :D
First of all if someone wants to do something to encourage RPing they should do it ingame in character, not on the forums (Moogie\'s speech is exempted from this because its purpose and format). Like I stated somewhere in another thread these things should be delt with by RPing rather than otherwise.
This should also be the way to deal with the gamblers (that is if anyone is really upset enough over this to do anything). Now clogging up the tavern with gamblers so that regular customers cant get in or cant get a seat is just mean. Now if they rented the tavern by paying Kada a small percentage of the pot ;)
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Id just like a HARDCORE true RPer to explain EXACTLY what it is about \"power levelling\" that they dont like. Id like examples and situations to illustrate this hate.
From what I can gather, if all power levellers RPed as hermit, mutes (ie: they never say a word in chat and rarely visit highly populated areas) there should be no problem.
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Let\'s see... With overwhelming amount of both \"L337 gamers\" and threads \"How I hate L337 gamers\", I feel like finally stating my own opinion about the late atmosphere around the PS. Sorry, but my ideas follow in random order.
It will be impossible to keep d00ds out of PS. Simply because hundreds of them appear on the PS main page every hour, following the link given by the search of \"free MMORPG\". It is possible, however, to segregate RP\'ers and PL\'s by simply dividing chat or creating special areas. The more complicated, but rather ideal way would be the creation of two realms, or a server divided in half, as far as PS can\'t afford two servers yet.
To people, who say, that all d00ds should be banned. Maybe it is just my wild imagination, but that\'s how I see the game if the \"d00d-b@n\" will be implemented:
Example of an \"after-CB\" tale:
\"Many have waited for this change, however not that many survived the wind of war created by the gods. The curse has fallen upon the sometime glorious lands of Yliakum, the evil semi-gods - Developers started a bloody conflict between the gentle 58 of the bravest knights of the Mods Orden and the dreadful horde of countless Dood scourge...\"
RP\'ers and PL\'ers cannot exist together. They have the same, yet different purposes of playing the game - people usually have just about enough of the RL and want to bring few moments of enjoyment to their life, but both groups do it differently. RP\'ers way is usually transforming to a medival knight/mage/rogue/..., while gentle d00ds way is to become the best and prove him/herself the super L33t in the community.
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Originally posted by Monketh
For me, the Tavern only had gamblers, lots of them.
This is becoming a problem as it is agravatingly hard to find someone IC.
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I actually don\'t mind the gamling. Ots one of the most creative plaer made things I have seen. And it fits the place. I mean, it IS a bar after all.
When I went I was actually met by many RPers who where glad to listen to the situation. Tey listend kindly and where very helpful to someone OOC and very lost.
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Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero
It is possible, however, to segregate RP\'ers and PL\'s by simply dividing chat or creating special areas. The more complicated, but rather ideal way would be the creation of two realms, or a server divided in half, as far as PS can\'t afford two servers yet.
Please read. Please. Please please please. There will be no division of servers for different kinds of players. There will be no division of servers/worlds period.
Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero
RP\'ers and PL\'ers cannot exist together.
That\'s false. Extremes of each kind will have a hard time coexisting, but not everyone fits into black and white boxes.
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Originally posted by Karyuu
That\'s false. Extremes of each kind will have a hard time coexisting, but not everyone fits into black and white boxes.
Ahhh....There we go. Let\'s see what is beyond those solid groups... A L33t-speaking roleplayer or a roleplaying mega-d00d, who wonders around the sewers stealing all the kills and challenging all the players (it?) meets?
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Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero
It will be impossible to keep d00ds out of PS. Simply because hundreds of them appear on the PS main page every hour, following the link given by the search of \"free MMORPG\". It is possible, however, to segregate RP\'ers and PL\'s by simply dividing chat or creating special areas. The more complicated, but rather ideal way would be the creation of two realms, or a server divided in half, as far as PS can\'t afford two servers yet.
Well I do have P4 2.8 Ghz, 512 MB (or 1 GB), with large HDs machine doing nothing at the moment sitting on the gaming LAN, which is directly connected to the country\'s main backbone and country\'s main gateway, thus plenty FREE bandwidth available. As I have seen PS definitely uses far less bandwidth than a single NWN server.
But it does not seem like Luca Pancallo (Talad) seems to be interested in making use of free servers and free bandwidth.
Thus I doubt we be able to solve the PLers and RPers issue any time soon.
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Sheesh.. the last few days have killed many of the aspects i thought PS was, you release a free game with good 3d graphics and every little kid will download it, hoping to find a better RS... and thus PS gains popularity while loosing standing with some of the most devoted players.. you know, you people who have been here for what 2 years? just waiting for it to come this far? i cant say much cause ive only been following PS for maybe 8 months... but people are just gonna have to face it, as long as PS continues to develop into a great game, a different type of player is gonna come along, and when we have 5000+ people on the server, some GM\'s arent gonna be able to stop the bad ones, look right now the server averages around 100 people from what ive seen, ive seen numbers for 125 to as low as 43... for all the accounts created, not many people play, it seems...
well its 3:00AM here, i dont know why im awake... so ill leave now and maybe go sleep... :)
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yep
anyway to nearly end this thread
so powerlevelers are mostly hated when they l33t speak
and anyone that l33t speaks in a planeshift is generally not liked very much by the people that dont like l33t speak, being the not newer people
and not rping in planeshift corrupts the fabricatility of the metamorpha-ility of the telepropulsionility of planeshifts atmosphere right? (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/images/icons/smilie.gif)
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I have the solution !
update planeshift and use the new /ignore command :)
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Originally posted by Icefalcon
This topic has gotten real old real fast...
Yeah.. maybe this little summary (in my opinion) helps.
acceptable:- players who role play a barely interacting character, for example an individually operating ranger.
- players who maximize their skills. The game is about developing your character in a fantasy world. If you want to play a character who is a great fighter you have to train. So fighting monsters whole day is legitimate.
not acceptable:- players who use of numbers or strange abbreviations in public channels (the /say and the /shout mode)
Enforcing/prevention: The use of numbers in those channels can easily be prevented. The use of abbreviations too by using a list of not accepted words, but since people who want to use OOC abbreviations usually find substitute abbreviations who aren?t on the list, is it doubtful if that will work.
- players who are OOC in public channels, for they bother role playing.
Enforcing/prevention: This cannot be enforced by formal rules. All we can do is kindly ask them to stop it or report them to a GM who can give him a warning or in the worst case will remove him.
- players who don?t interact with others in a RP way at all. It?s a multiplayer role playing game after all
Enforcing/prevention: There not much we can do about this. If people don?t want to respond at all it?s a pitty. But as long as they don?t disturb the role playing of others they won?t cause much inconvenience too.
The best way to prevent those things however still is being a good example yourselves. A short explanation (when creating a new account) of the RP character of the world of Planeshift and what is and what is not acceptable, might also work.
Every step PS makes towards a complete game will also attract more non-roleplaying players. Therefore the devs and the players should pay a serious amount of attention to this problem.
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Originally posted by Ikarsik
and not rping in planeshift corrupts the fabricatility of the metamorpha-ility of the telepropulsionility of planeshifts atmosphere right? (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/images/icons/smilie.gif)
Very true my friend.
People who don\'t interact are better than people who start spouting random abbreviations like \"an thn il mak a nw srd\". I think that having a little screen right after the player creates their character is a good idea, that way you have been told that RPing is an important aspect that people want to have in this game. I don\'t think that having a GM remove people because they aren\'t RPing is a very good solution because technicaly they aren\'t breaking any rules. Unless of course they are harrasing other players, in which case they should be removed anyways.
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Originally posted by Chewy gumbal
Very true my friend.
People who don\'t interact are better than people who start spouting random abbreviations like \"an thn il mak a nw srd\". I think that having a little screen right after the player creates their character is a good idea, that way you have been told that RPing is an important aspect that people want to have in this game.
Agreed. I feel as long as that person is not annoying which is really just relative then they should be allowed to stay.
Originally posted by Chewy gumbal
I don\'t think that having a GM remove people because they aren\'t RPing is a very good solution because technicaly they aren\'t breaking any rules. Unless of course they are harrasing other players, in which case they should be removed anyways.
What rules? I have yet to see any rules on how one should act on the server. I see strict rules on how to make a guild. I even see rules on how one should act on this forum. Where are the rules for playing this game? Am i the only one that can not find at the very least baseline rules?
I have played several games where even the rules were up to interpretation. Not having any rules makes that infinate worse. For example just look at Moogies\' and Karyuu\'s response to the same question (no offense to either one). Both of whom i believe are GMs. Both of whom have completely different answers. HAHA! Imagine in real life if a police department was implemented before any laws were made. This situation will get much more messy before it is resolved as long as there are no official rules in place. Even if they are baseline.
Anyways, I am going to try to recompile the CVS. If it doesn\'t work then so be it. I am not going to spend too much time on it. Especially considering the rules probably change as each GM signs on and off. I doubt this is a game i really want to play as long as that happens.
People who want to stay and see a change whether it is for or against non rpers really need to start putting pressure on the people at the top to put in Official server rules. You can then have at the very least have a baseline rules to go by. Right now you have are a bunch of people saying what they think is the rules but nothing official. Nothing is really getting done.
Have a nice day :)
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Strange I see nobody mentioning this, but the thing most anti-rpg behavior I\'ve seen so far. Is from some of the guilds, I\'ve received several invitions from guilds, without any interaction with the other person. Surely the guilds should be better moderated if PS is rpg enforced. This kinda behavior sickens me.
But I do agree that some powerleveling should be acceptable to build up your character.
And finally I think their will be plenty of space for the more hard core rpg\'ers. The tavern is getting more popular among the rpg\'ers for one.
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Originally posted by Ikarsik
and not rping in planeshift corrupts the fabricatility of the metamorpha-ility of the telepropulsionility of planeshifts atmosphere right?
OOC: Mini-gratz! You have just made check the dictionary! Is it actually a joke? ;) If not, could you define the highlighted words for me, plz...? :D
Originally posted by Lhun Duum
update planeshift and use the new /ignore command
You will soon get tired of entering the \"ignore\" command...:)
Originally posted by DarkOne
But it does not seem like Luca Pancallo (Talad) seems to be interested in making use of free servers and free bandwidth.
I may be wrong, but if I was a devs., I would not want the PS world expand until I have unbugged at least the current server and tested all the implemented in-game features, because then, I won\'t have to face the same problem twice.
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Yes it was a joke Exaero. I think it was. What if it wasn\'t? Think of the possibilities!
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@hitancrias,
i am willing to let l337 into the game, however i am not willing to let beggers here, beggers suck, l337 is an internet language and this is a interney game
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Originally posted by Black_rose
@hitancrias,
i am willing to let l337 into the game, however i am not willing to let beggers here, beggers suck, l337 is an internet language and this is a interney game
1337 is a massacre of the english language and it is not acceptable. ...and what about all the foreigners who have trouble with english to begin with?
No, 1337 R t3h 5UXX0RZ. It breaks rp\'ing, it contributes to the bastardization of the english language, it\'s hard for foreigners to read, and it shows a deep lack of respect for forcing people to read it.
and not rping in planeshift corrupts the fabricatility of the metamorpha-ility of the telepropulsionility of planeshifts atmosphere right?
Yup. Then everybody dies because there\'s no air left. :P
Oh, I didn\'t mean the gamblers are making it hard to find someone IC. Some of them are IC.
[edit: removed] Nvm, let\'s not drag that discussion into here, too.
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Exaero_Fiero
and not rping in planeshift corrupts the fabricatility of the metamorpha-ility of the telepropulsionility of planeshifts atmosphere right?
if you change telepropulsionility to teleprojectionility then it kinda means that it corrupts the realness of the image of an active world that is put across by planeshift
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Originally posted by Chewy gumbal
Yes it was a joke Exaero. I think it was. What if it wasn\'t? Think of the possibilities!
The whole point! I just thought of the possibilities!
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omg, im near middle aged b4 i started reading this. prob. only a few will read this and it\'ll be in the middle. ;)
so...i like to lvl some stats. rp is fun too. wait, when u get to certain lvl\'s, its all about rp and ur friends, well, wait, *sigh*
sometimes a hardcore rp\'er will want to lvl, for hours, and hours. ppl do this irl !! i exercise, by myself, for hours a day, few days a week. i have played hack-n-slash rpg\'s off and on for, well, years. :( i was very much into non-combat skills on rs. ppl go to work and school full-time irl !! u put ur nose to the grind ( or whatever wherever) for sometime so u can have more time to \"spend with the fence and work on the wife\"
about the roleplaying posts...some ppl say its not in handbook, etc.; dunno, but dont GM\'s sorta have in game say-so around here? sometimes some ppl will want to be strict or lax with their rp\'ing (those that can be a serious rp\'er vs. a \"mom, im sick. stay home?\" type)
ppl will buddy up with their \"keeeeeewwwwwwwwlllllll\" friends either way. (btw, wipe any1 that types that in game ok? i vote plz)(or maybe ps jail. that is an obscene word to me; sorta harassment really)
well, there\'s an option for u, ps jail. and how about if the republicans and democrats had their own counties irl? different towns for different styles. ppl in \"southern states\" go ya\'ll for \"you all\"
plz plz plz, according to venge typing like a 13yo girl is an accomplishment. omfg if i havta start typin out everything for every sentence. and i know how to type for years and am not slow, but some ppl are. i\'d rather have short words vs, hello, waiting for ur answer. and um, have u ever noticed that u can think faster than u can type. omg.
omg, i do want a rp enviro. i dont think britney spears is good for more than 1 thing, but y get all harvard about it.
and some sorta intro-style-helpguide-keyword-thing would be very nice for those (somewhat/very) serious rp\'ers that prefer a dose of combat/magic w/rp and just started.
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Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero
RP\'ers and PL\'ers cannot exist together.
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Originally posted by Karyuu
That\'s false. Extremes of each kind will have a hard time coexisting, but not everyone fits into black and white boxes.
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Exaero_Fiero:
Ahhh....There we go. Let\'s see what is beyond those solid groups... A L33t-speaking roleplayer or a roleplaying mega-d00d, who wonders around the sewers stealing all the kills and challenging all the players (it?) meets?
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i believe im the first of those 2 exaero, and i super hate the latter. met lots on rs. ha.
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Go man! You rock!
Your so kkkkeeewwwlllll!!!!....... J/K.
That was one of the funniest posts ive ever read on these forums.
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I couldn\'t understand it... He must be one of those... alians.
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Personally, I think you guys need to get over it. If I choose to fight and level up, that\'s my LIFE in the game. There were a lot of narrowminded battle d00ds back in medieval times. The strongest Knight was the best. No doubt about it. If I want my proffession to be a Knight, then shouldn\'t I be able to power-level? Also, 1337 speak and power-leveling are very differn\'t things. I could probably be considered a power-leveler, although I join groups and we fight monsters in character, that is, if anyone is in the area or wants to. I have no problem talking while fighting. While talking properly is an issue power-leveling is not.
Also, for the guy who said all the \"kids\" coming from, um, \"that game\", you are very mistaken. That game is GROWING in numbers, and vastly growing. I play that game, and PS. I\'m not a 1337 |-|@><0r either. I play that game for the economy. I will do so in PS too. If there is a demand, I will be the supply. Right now that isn\'t possible, but merchanting will be MY job.