PlaneShift
Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Valbrandr on January 21, 2005, 12:26:03 pm
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Our first Council meeting is going to take place this Saturday at 1:00 GMT -6.
Hello everyone. It is finally ready for members to join the forum. Its completely finished. Go to our new site and register: http://plexus.shacknet.nu/ps/index.php
Here is the completed version of the Constitution
URPS Constitution
We envision The United Realm of Planeshift (URPS) as being a Grand Alliance. In addition, we thought it best to first define what a Grand Alliance is to us: An inseparable bond between a plethora of groups who have a similar objective, enlaced and fused together by Loyalty, Honesty, and an unweilding passion for relative peace with an unwaivering acceptance of all. It will forever except all alignments that do not conflct with our nature. We must understand that Good, Neutral, and Evil, cannot exist without one another. We are not bound in words alone, but by destiny... If the balance between the three was ever disturbed the Realm of Planeshift would be a mere memory of the fortunate... We must coexist to ensure survival.
Alpha
We the people and guilds who comprise Planeshift, in order to establish a more perfect union, have bound ourselves together in a Grand Alliance, with the creation of the United Realm of Planeshift Organization.
Section I.
The URPS will be comprised of five entities: The Council, The Yliakum Pact, Talad\'s Defender, Merchants of the Claw, and the General Assembly.
Branch A.
The Council:
The Council will oversee the breadth of the URPS Grand Alliance: from the Yliakum Pact to the General Assembly.
In addition, the Council will decide on Guild membership (Accept/reject new members), ammendments to the Constitution, and all punishments created and enforced.
The Council will have the ability to tax though it has been struck down unanimously at the moment. It can also call for a pool of money to be created. This may happen if the Council believes that it is in the best interests of all entities in the URPS.
It can call up the URPS Militia ( Will be defined under Talad\'s Defender), though It will refrain from interfering in the wars between any guilds or alliances unless a vote passes through the Council. Its members, when needed can cast a vote, and if it succeeds, they will be helped through negotiations in peace talks and if need be, with the Militia. However, this is last resort, our money and Militia will only be sent by a 3/4 decision of the Council. Wars between two or more members that are in the Council are not its main concern, they will be dealt with as just another case heard before the Council.
In addition, the Council will meet biweekly at a time agreed upon by the Council so that everyone can get involved.
Membership:
The Council will consist of every leader of every guild (in the URPS), distinguished members from those guilds, and highly valued Individuals. Each guild can have two total members on the Council, Each Council member will have a vote equal to one. In case of a tie the Seer of the Council will cast a final vote deciding the outcome.
The Seer of the Council: It must be a very active member who is willing to spend the time perfecting the URPS. This person will oversee the Council and only vote if there is a tie. He/She will serve a one month term with an addition consecutive month if voted back in office by a simple majority. The Seer will also elect a Protector of the Realm. The Seer can be removed from office if a petition is brought against him by any member of the Council and the Judges vote unanimously againt the Seer. Must be a leader of a guild.
Protector of the Realm: This member will be chosen by the Seer. If the Seer cannot be present at an official meeting, the Protector will take his/her place. This person will have a dual role. He/she will also be the head of the Yliakum Pact. This will be a well respected member who holds great influence in the Realm of Planeshift. The Protector will also serve a one month term and can only be removed by the Seer. Cannot be the leader of a guild nor of the same guild the Seer is from.
Branch B:
The Yliakum Pact:
The Yliakum Pact will be headed by three Council members: Lawful, Neutral/Non Aligned, and Chaotic. It will oversee the recruitment of new guilds to the URPS and they will create briefs to petition the Council for new membership.
This is no simple task. They will be researchers, getting an indepth view on a variety of different guilds. From here, they will negotiate an alliance with that guild in question and finally have a well organized and highly informative brief that can convince the Council of the guilds worth to the URPS. A great deal of the URPS\' success will depend on this entity.
Branch C:
Talad\'s Defenders:
Talad\'s Defenders will oversee negotiations whether it is through peace treaties or cease fires between guilds in the URPS or guilds on our periphery. At this moment there will be five negotiators. They will be Lawful aligned so they will uphold what the URPS Council determines to be right and wrong. In addition, they will have to be respected members of the Planeshift Realm.
In addition to negotiators, the URPS will need enforcement capabilities when negotiation is no longer an option. We will call up a Militia of 15 members when needed. They will be under direct control of the Council, and will be comprised solely by URPS members. Each guild leader will have to submit a three member list to the Council of their most active players who are brilliant strategists and warriors, who can work effectiviely in groups. The Council will make the final decisions on who joins the Militia. If a guild does not participate in combat/conflict then this is void.
Branch D:
Merchants of the Claw:
The Merchants of the Claw will oversee the entire economy of the URPS. This will consist of buying and selling of property, running the shops of URPS, and doing the resource gathering: mining, lumbering, etc...
Merchants of the Claw will carry with them the greatest burden in this organization. They will control nearly all of the URPS\' money. Whomever recieves this position will be highly trusted by all and they will uphold and champion honesty and integrity.
Branch E:
The General Assembly:
The General Assembly is the entire breadth of the URPS. It consists of all individuals and guilds that are involved. Its functions are quite simple. It is the fuel behind the URPS. This is where the ideas freely flow, where the people give back to the community, and what moves the URPS to perfecting what has never been accomplished. It is filled by people with unbreakable wills and the determination to complete this never ending quest for balance.
Section 2.
Judicial Branch
The URPS must keep a balance between Order and Chaos. In order to combat this a law making body has been created. The URPS law making body will consist of three judges. They will determine if acts are unconstitutional and will defer to the Seer of the Council to pass judgement. Each judge will serve a two month stay in office and will not be able to serve consecutive terms.
The URPS Code of Honor
Edict I
A URPS member cannot attack another URPS member out of anger, greed, or hatred.
Edict II
URPS members must respect every other URPS member by being Courteous, helpful, and tolerant.
Edict III
Every URPS member must present themselves in a respectful way in the realm of Planeshift. No cursing at players out of hatred, no singling out newer players in an attempt to show your superiority, and if asked, help whomever you can, as long as it does not go against the nature of the URPS and is plausible.
Edict IV
Any guild, that is a member of the URPS, should not declare a guild war or initiate a guild war against a guild not involved with the URPS without the Council\'s approval. Without Council appoval, the guild in question will recieve no help from the URPS in their war unless it is imperative to our (URPS) existance.
Edict V
Every guild, that is a member of the URPS, must follow all edicts, rulings of the Council, and rulings of the Judges.
Edict VI
Any case or issue brought before the Council must be presented with integrity and in truth.
Consequences
For knowingly defying Edict I - III, it will be punishable by a 100 tria fine on the first offense, 500 tria for the second offense, and 1000 tria for the third offense. Anything past three offenses will be left up to the Council to decide, with a maximum penalty of 5000 tria.
For Knowingly defying Edict IV - V, it will be punishable by a 1000 tria fine on the first offense, 5000 tria on the second offense, and 10000 tria on the third offense. Anything past three offenses will be left up to the Council with a maximum fine of expelment of the guild in question.
For knowingly defying Edict VI, it will go strait to the Council for judgement. The guild in question could be fined any amount of money the Council sees fit and this guild could also face expulsion
All offenses acquired during one month will be lessened by one at the end of each month.
All offenses will be reset each month.
Guilds who have joined the alliance:
Sentinels of the Ragnarok
Black Order
Moonlit Council
Ovates Guild
Blood Claw Inc.
Port Calem
Knowledge Seekers
Champions of Yliakum
Raven Guard
Supporting Guilds:
Dark Empire
Zelphirien
Council members: Valbrandr, Induane, Sangwa, Annah, Elvira, Auran, Bardialus, Natrina, Taldor, Ashamm, Gatuna, Lordbug, Vanderbal, Robinmagus, IceFalcon, and Effixi Aduro.
Each guild can have up to two members (including the leader) participating in the council.
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The Mercenary Guild will have to decline your invitation. We have no desire for peace or alliances. We will not be assosiated with any other guild in Planeshift.
However, I personally would be interested in joining as an independent, if that is possible.
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Surely a contract is a temporary alliance with the customer?
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Icefalcon we do except individuals. You will be a great help to us.
Edit: And everyone who is associated with the URPS, our first order of buisiness is at hand. Go to the forum under round table and tell us what you think. (Of course you have to register first)
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OOC: That site is identical to Kada\'s -0 points for creativity, 0 points for originality, 0 points for cool-
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Originally posted by DepthBlade
OOC: That site is identical to Kada\'s -0 points for creativity, 0 points for originality, 0 points for cool-
OOC: that kind of things happens when two are using the same CMS. unfortunatly, kada has based their whole website on the standard \'Chronicles\' phpBB template. by accident we are using the same, but only for the forum - the rest is unique. and man what do you want? the website is online since two days and far away from beeing finished - as for the forum template, you can be sure as hell i\'ll change it, i do not want to be a clone - there are just more important things to do right now.
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Even if your guild is not in the alliance, individuals can join if you want to help us... Thank you.
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Good luck with it Valbrandr, you\'re going to need it. I seriously suggest getting one of the more respected guilds to join. You\'ve got DE, but that\'s the only guild on your list that has my respect.
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Thank you Phinehas even though you are not inspired, lol. We are trying to bring in more guilds that are respected. And we have got a few maybes but I will not name them until I know for sure.
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Please post with ways to make this work? Have any real and creative ideas?
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Valbrandr is really trying hard to get this thing put togeather guys. He has a site and forum up and me and him are currently working out the rules and stuff. Please, to any guild who can help, or anyone, please do. My guild can\'t help but since he\'s so dedicated Im going to help him out.
This actually might succeed this time :P
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*Moogie guards the thread from spam, having removed half a page of it here already*
Stay ontopic, stay nice, and don\'t forget the constructive in \"constructive critisism\".
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Uh.
Brilliant way to start off my post, I know. But anyone can put up rules, forums, whatever...the hard part is actually coming up with how you are going to run things. Which, as far as I\'ve seen, you don\'t have a clue as how to do this.
Your Politically and Socially points seem fine to me...though pointless, nothing people can not do with regular alliances or just plain by theirselves. The biggest problem is this \"Economically\" thing. You will help people achieve economic stability? Just how do you propose this? This seems to be the equivalent of a guild putting up something like \"We are the greatest\" or something else equally inane. Planeshift itself has no economic stability, I don\'t see how guilds are supposed to. Sure \"sometime in the future\" but whose to say all these guilds involved won\'t be dead broke? Or not willing to help out the other guilds? Which brings me to my next point...
This part is more about the guilds who have already joined rather then the idea in itself - I can see people getting together to work this out. But what the hell were the guild leaders/council thinking? You shouldn\'t just join something because it sounds cool, make sure it has a running system...if it doesn\'t then help out and try to get it there. But join it immediatly? Right...I just don\'t think a lot of thought was put into that and so not much will happen there.
And for once I\'m not trying to provoke someone, I don\'t care if it\'s not \"constructive crticism\" from you point of view...so cry about it. Criticism is criticism, whether or not someone points out and details all your flaws and says how to fix these, you can still gain something from it. It\'s \"no flaming\" not \"be nice and always put smilies at the end of your post\".
For the record, I am for this idea. I love politics and it could be a lot of fun. But only if it is worked out correctly, and I can\'t say the start of this is great. A lot more time of letting this simmer before even thinking about trying to get people interested would have been a lot better.
Rush rush rush, it never works.
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Alot has to be thought out in this to help make this work. Economic stability doesn\'t have a clear cut defination. I don\'t know about guild economic stability, but when I think of an individual players economic stability, I remember some of the members we recruited in our guild. One had come into the game like many others, - with nothing - At first acheiving anything seems a daunting tast. Just punching enough rats to death to buy a cheap pick takes forever. This is understandibly discouraging. I used to keep around several extra picks and swords to help people get started. I couldn\'t fund many people, but I was worried someone would quit before they got started, and thus never realize their potential. Still - it will probabily have to be reworked, as will probabily alot of this. This is why its here now - to find holes, mistakes, things that are totally wrong, etc. and find a way to make this work.
A great thing about this game is the potential it has. We already see it in game as new abilities, areas, NPC\'s etc... But just as important is the role that politics plays in this game. Many of the concerns you addressed are right-on Kiern. They are things we are working hard to figure out. This can work - but it will require alot of cooperation. We need not just the guilds support, but the support of individuals, and even the DEV\'s. This is the first game I have ever played that made me feel like it was possible to have influence in. This adds a degree of realism to the game that all other games I have ever played have lacked.
And we are not trying to rush per-say. We wanted to get our ideas out there as soon as possible, and let it evolve itself. The idea is that with everyone brainstorming together, then this will become much greater than the work of one person ever could. In open-source software development there is a saying: \"Release early, release often\" This helps people know at what level the software is, what features are implemented and which are not, which helps spur development. We are trying to emulate this model in a way, getting the community to help build.
There is still lots to be done - including contacting some of the developers directly. Does anyone know how I could do this? PM me and let me know or email me at my new email OldSpiceAP@gmail.com
Thanks for everyone who has posted.
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Kiern, you are correct. The ideas are still a bit too broad and they need to be molded in a fashion of what is possible in PS. Dont get me wrong, we have spent lots of time on formulating what we already have but some ideas I could not expand on. Though I disagree that people/guilds should wait to join. If they join now they can help with all the ideas and help us specify and clearify. We do need help... In addition, you seem to have ideas. Please register at our forum and give us specific feedback on what needs changed. I am sure we can work out a compromise. 8)
Edit: I have worked on the post, tell me if it sounds better and more specific.
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COL has seen something like this try to transpire before and we see the same issues and results.We didn\'t like the idea last time nor do we now.Count us out.
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The Knowledge Seekers, led by Lordbug, have joined the Organization. Anyone else interested in helping?
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I hope URPS brings profit to us ;)
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Greetings.
First of all, I have to apologize for my lack of activity on the forums this week, but I had some problems with my isp, problems that were solved in a way.
Also, I am indeed happy to see an old face around here. Glad to see you Sabrewulf, we sure do have many topics to talk about ... :)
Being on topic, I have to congratulate you Valbrandr for what you have achieved so far. When I came with these ideas in here, I didn\'t dream to let them be forgotten in the painful place of the past. So, Black Order will be until the end, a member of the Planeshift Council, no matter what. But of course, in the council I want that my dear empress to be a member as well.
Even so, I have to clear some things. I want that people to consider it something beyond an alliance, because it\'s practically impossible to be considered something like this, having members that have different alignments. It\'s a \"place\" made for the benefit of its members, and of the Planeshift community in general. I am sorry Valbrandr, but we cannot use words like these. Taking a look at the real EU, and then a look in here, using words like \"alliance\" and some other beliefs, we could say it\'s something like this. But that is not what we want, it\'s something different.
And yes, economy is something fragile, something without a balance. But no one says we cannot bring this balance, even if for many it will mean something different. Because after all, each of us have different opinions right? Don\'t forget, it\'s a place where all its members will benefit.
Also, we are not the happy tree friends, helping everyone we encounter. Remember this as well.
And in the end, but not last, I totally disagree with the name of .: THE United Realm of PlaneShift :.
Though, this is only a name, and we could always find a new better one, because after all, that\'s why we are here right? To shape it until it will be perfect. It won\'t be perfect? We will make it perfect. Same goes for ideas and goals of this.
These being said, Farewell for now.
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I will compromise with everything you have just written. If you could please PM me and send me how you view this council... In addition, your Empress will be on the Council as well. It is good to finally get your input. Whatever needs changed just ask.
P.S. The name is changable as well. Just could not come up with anything better at the time.
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The economy is controlled by the Dev\'s, this is one of the things that we probably have no say in. Even if we do, it has been shown that the economic stability of any society provides the best results by staying objective to the current political events of the community. In other words by not having direct control over it, it cannot be abused for personal gain (or I should say shouldn\'t be able to be).
The economy is sound and will stay current, as long as the Dev\'s stay on top of the evolution of the game; this seems to be quite regular, what they need to think about is the cost of things and how to earn money.
As Induane pointed out when a newcomer starts the game, they soon realise the amount of time it will take before they can progress to the next stage of their character development.
Even though this teaches them the basic rules of contact with NPC\'s of that genre, it doesnt allow them to concentrate on the social contact skills they need to allow progression.
If we are to truly help this game evolve we must also be able to allow its community to evolve also.
The term Alliance: the state of being joined or assosciated; an agrrement made between countries or organisations to work together; a relationship or connection.
I believe that the term \'Alliance\' perfectly suits what will be a core in our way of working together.
We all want and are willing to work to gaining a stable and productive environment for our own personal wants and needs as characters.
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Bardialus I agree with you also. I do not want this organization to exploit anyone in the PS realm. Whether they are with us, against us, or neutral. This will be an Organization that helps everyone. And we must evolve with the nature of the game.
Edit: Soon a URPS Chat is going to be implemented. It will allow the Council members to have meetings. Anyone who is interested, even if your guild is not involved, please come give your opinions. Thank you.
Edit: We will begin work on the Constitution of the URPS... If anyone has any ideas in the forum please post.
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The economy is controlled by the Dev\'s, this is one of the things that we probably have no say in. Even if we do, it has been shown that the economic stability of any society provides the best results by staying objective to the current political events of the community. In other words by not having direct control over it, it cannot be abused for personal gain (or I should say shouldn\'t be able to be).
Well that\'s only for now... if you read in this, (http://www.planeshift.it/setting_government.html) this (http://www.planeshift.it/setting_economy.html) and this (http://www.planeshift.it/setting_overview.html) you\'ll understand more what I\'m talking about...
I dunno if it was there or somewhere else that the devs wanted to make a world governed by players... not GMs or Devs (but this doesn\'t mean they can be) . And same thing about the economy, you can see in here (http://www.planeshift.it/setting_economy.html) that there\'s also unofficial currency...
I think players will be able to build houses and shops, this way a player can have his little business or something like that...
As for the rest you wrote Bardialus I agree :)
I also agree with Annah.
Nothing made by humans is perfect... humans are experts in imperfections... it\'s their nature :P (think I\'ll use this as my signature :D)
I had something else to say... can\'t remember...
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With the help of GPaX, working with Lishom, the URPS site will be moved from the Sentinels of the Ragnarok site to its own domain. This should happen in the following week. Thanks to everyone that has been of great help to us...
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I\'ve noticed that the forums seem a little dead recently. This thread stayed near the too for quite some time without any new posts or edits. Not that long ago the forums were extremely active...Why is this dying down?
On a better note I\'ve been extremely pleased with the ammount of people who have come and registered at the URPS and SoR site. There has already been alot of interesting discussion. Thanks to everyone who participated.
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The Champions of Yliakum have joined the Alliance. Sir Vanderbal will head our defense forces.
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Been with no internet for 2 days and yesterday my net connection was rrrreeeaaalllyyy slow
Gratz Champions of Yliakum :)
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The Judicial branch has been completed. It is time for the first elections.
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We are going to need candidats, ho wants to try out?
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Do you mind if I join the organization, Valbrandr?
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We would be glad to have you here. You will be a great addition. In truth anyone can join. This may sound cliche but it will be made by us for us.
However, after this Saturday, people/guilds will have to apply at the site. We will accept mot anyone for now but our first meeting is approaching.
Thanks for the future help
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Greetings again my friends.
Again, I have to apologize but some daily problems with my internet connection, kept my away for some time.
Though, everything is fine right now (and I sure do hope it will remain like this in the future as well), so this means I can fully dedicate to this.
Everything looks perfect, and we should all congrats. Valbrandr for his devotion.
What is needed right now, is a meeting with all the council members, as soon as possible.
Until then,
Farewell.
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Great to see you back. I don\'t know if you have checked out the website (address at top of this thread) recently, or read the URPS forums there, but a meeting is already scheduled for this weekend. Detail can be found at the site. If you need any other info you can PM me or Val at this site or in the URPS forums.
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So, what are the requirements for an interested passerby who would like to sit in on meetings, etc. ?
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Oh no requirments, I\'ll hide you or, don\'t know, I\'ll find a way to sneak you in :D
You\'re a friend, you can come, with no requirments. Of course, you\'re not allowed to insult anyone etc. but I do not think you\'re from that category :)
So, you\'re welcome to come.
Btw, I guess it will be better if you\'d really come to stay in the channel besides the meeting time, because I am there for some several hours, and there\'s only me and Lishom.
Thanks,
Annah.
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In that case, I just might stop by.
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We would be very greatful to have you here with us. But you have to give your opinions Phinehas, lol.
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Trust me, if there\'s one thing I am, it\'s opinionated.
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The first meeting took place on the 5th of February and here are the results:
Seer of the Council: Valbrandr
Protector of the Realm: Sangwa
Three Judges: Natrina, Lordbug, and Bardialus
Representatives of the Ylakum Pact: Sangwa, Induane, and Annah
Merchants of the Claw: Will be headed by Bloodclaw Inc.
Talads Defenders: Will be headed by the Champions of Yliakum
Each member of the Council needs to:
1. Make sure that your guild has two members on the Council first of all.
2. And any guild that participates in warfare please send me, Valbrandr, a three person list of your most active and best fighters.
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The URPS is having a second meeting tomorrow at 1:00 GMT -6. Anyone can come.
It is in IRC
Server: plexus.shacknet.nu
Port: 6667
See you there
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Channel?
So, out of curiosity, what do these Council meetings accomplish?
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Sorry about that...
Channel: #URPS
Server: plexus.shacknet.nu
Port: 6667
Through the last meeting we, the URPS Council, finished our hierarchy and decided upon the Constitution.
This meeting we will decide on the functions of each division within the URPS: Yliakum Pact, Talads Defenders, Merchants of the Claw, and powers of the General Assebly. We must work out the functions of each group so that we can operate and be mildly efficeint.
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I am very sorry because i didn\'t go in URPS channel this evening (for me) but i worked all the day and i returned home now (3 AM)... can i read what did you all URPS members dicussed?
Shannath
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There were others who could not make it so we moved it to tomorrow at the same time... 1:00 GMT -6. Which I think is 6:00 PM in Portugal. Hope to see you there.
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I work as musician and i work in the week ends... i will return home monday morning around 6 AM (GMT+1 Rome time). Well you could contact Ashamn and if he is free he can go in URPS channel. I misunderstanding this, but in the week ends i cannot be at home in the day, only in early morning (and i am quite tired). Work...
Shannath
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Channel: #URPS
Server: plexus.shacknet.nu
Port: 6667
Come and join us at 1:00 PM GMT -6:00
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The second URPS meeting concluded yesterday... I have some bad news for everyone: The Dark Empire is no longer an active member but a Supporter of the URPS and Sangwa is staying with us and currently is the Protector of the Realm.
Some good news is that we ratified the Constitution and Raven Guard has joined us as well. Our next meeting will be in two weeks and we are going to start promoting this Organization. So if any guilds Old or New want to join the alliance then please either post here or join our forum...
http://plexus.shacknet.nu/ps/index.php
Thank you
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So if any guilds Old or New want to join the alliance then please either post here or join our forum...
Sloppy tttt. Even you admit it\'s only an alliance. :P
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Not that I have to defend my words... but I often use Alliance and Organization interchangably.
\" Some good news is that we ratified the Constitution and Raven Guard has joined us as well. Our next meeting will be in two weeks and we are going to start promoting this Organization. So if any guilds Old or New want to join the alliance then please either post here or join our forum... \"
We are obviously something greater than a simple alliance. For one we have a Constitution.... but if there are any questions look at what we have done and decide for yourself.
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Originally posted by Valbrandr
We are obviously something greater than a simple alliance. For one we have a Constitution.... but if there are any questions look at what we have done and decide for yourself.
And what\'s that?
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Ok, Bardialus once said in this thread:
The term Alliance: the state of being joined or assosciated; an agrrement made between countries or organisations to work together; a relationship or connection.
Read carefully, because these words contains a truth, that maybe is not known to many. \"Alliance\" is a simple word, that can be interpretated in many ways. You choose to give its meaning. It\'s all in our mind ...
You see, we already stated what it means for us, and we kinda don\'t care if others come here and tell other things. Ok?
Just remember this is an organization you join to benefit.
Stop \"manipulating\" words, and take them the way they are explained.
And the Dark Empire has left the organization, because its views didn\'t seem to fit in URPS\' ideas anymore. But that doesn\'t mean they will not support it, an example being Sangwa, who still has his positions. Also, the other member of the Dark Alliance is still in ...
To end this ... we are waiting your applications to join URPS. Wait no more, you only have to benefit from it ;)
Thanks,
Annah
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I repeat, what have you done?
The Dark Empire left? You lost the only guild that had any real influence, and you expect to be taken seriously?
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*Seperot coughs and grins knowing what annah said about the DE isent strictly true*
obviusly i cant put my opinions down because my posts get scooped up here quickly so insted i\'ll just echo what Phinehas just said ;)
p.s. also annah dont you think writing in big red letters is a little suspicious to why you want people to join :)
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Each guild that is involved in URPS is equal. We treat everyone the same way. We didn\'t loose our gods, we lost one of our members.
Though, lost is not the right word to be used, because DE still supports it, through Sangwa, which is a very devoted member of URPS.
And everything I have said about the DE is true. Don\'t agree with it? To speak the truth, I really don\'t care ...
A few people is not the whole Planeshift community, never forget this.
I wonder why I want people to join? Maybe because in time, joining the organization won\'t be so simple. That\'s all.
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I think the point is you lost the only member which was somewhat respected outside of URPS...
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Originally posted by Annah
And everything I have said about the DE is true. Don\'t agree with it? To speak the truth, I really don\'t care ...
A few people is not the whole Planeshift community, never forget this.
then why are you so adimant that URPS is the way to go when that is hardly the whole ps community?
secondly the fact that you guys are begging for people to join shows that perhaps its not its cracked up to be... surely if its realy benifical to all DE wouldent have left it. surely you wouldent have to ask as people would be lineing up to get in the URPS :)
and to finish... A few people is not the whole Planeshift community, never forget this.
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The main point is this: That we have 8 guilds from Kadas List out of 31 in the Organization. All of them were voted to be there. And why belittle these guilds? Sangwa is still with us... and DE is still a Supporter of the URPS. But we have to move on. We still have 9 guids in all... and we are still growing. Are recruiting is going quite well but I do not disclose who may be close to joining out of respect for those guilds. After this point please do not spam our thread or continue personnal attacks. It does not help anyone... not the URPS or yourselves. In one way or another we must coexist because the URPS will never die as long as we keep fueling it. We have already done more than any other trying to accomplish the same goal. It will work this time.
One last issue:
Sep \"secondly the fact that you guys are begging for people to join shows that perhaps its not its cracked up to be... surely if its realy benifical to all DE wouldent have left it. surely you wouldent have to ask as people would be lineing up to get in the URPS\"
If most of us had been here a year or two than sure it would be very easy to get people. But the reason we are asking people and the reason I talk to leaders about it in game is because we want everyone to get involved. We will not disclude anyone who is serious about joining or supporting. This is not a game that we are playing.. we want to enhance the experience for all players. It adds to the role playing and it brings together the community and cuts down the divisions.
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First off: Yes, losing the Dark Empire as an official member of the URPS was indeed a blow. This is an undenyable fact. They are, as many have pointed out, a well respected and influental guild.
Originally posted by Phinehas:
The Dark Empire left? You lost the only guild that had any real influence, and you expect to be taken seriously?
I find that sort of derogatory towards the other guilds. Saying that non of the others have any real influence is, in my opinion, rude. Just because a guild is new, or small, doesn\'t mean they have influence. Influence where? Over the other guilds? Over development? Over the forums? How do you get influence? There can be no true influence with out true power. Perhaps credibility is a better word in this case...It takes time for a guild to establish credibility, and prove they aren\'t a flash in the dark - that they are in it for the long haul. We want newer guilds in the URPS - we want older Guilds in the URPS. We want to be inclusive, not exclusive. Anyways, many of the members are also listed at Kada-Els tavern. This doesn\'t PROVE anything beyond that they have been seen as credible.
There will always be guilds that come and go. Some because they have a problem with what we are doing since it is completely impossible to make everyone happy. Some will for personal reasons not related to the URPS, some will fade out of existance, but others will stay, and new guilds will take their place. It is the way of things. Change is inevitable - unavoidable - necessary. If the DE did not think that their guild\'s goals matched what we wanted to accomplish, then they did the right, respectable thing and withdrew honorably, taking care to inform us that it wasn\'t anything we (the urps) did. They didn\'t try to make a bid deal with it, or publicly denouce us in any way. Nothing wrong with that - these things will happen.
Still, one guild isn\'t the whole URPS, and with the exception of Sangwa, the DE wasn\'t really that active in the URPS anyway, other than having their name in the list. There will always be naysayers, people who have nothing better to do than run down others ideas, and criticize. This accomplishes nothing, and is basically a waste of time.
We aren\'t begging anyone to join the URPS, we are encouraging them and asking for their support. This is what will make the URPS successful.
The URPS will never die as long as we keep fueling it.
Yep! We are here to stay.
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Originally posted by Annah
you only have to benefit from it
Am I missing something here?
I am a member of the Council, but remain inactive because I really don\'t see why I will benefit from this. Could you please sum up in a sentace or two what exactly you plan on doing in practice, in game, that will bring any benefit to its members, or the community for that matter.
If all you plan on doing is get together and have these cool little meetings that make you feel important, or walk around the streets bearing the name of \"URPS\" for the sake of bearing the name of \"URPS,\" I don\'t see why I should stick around.
You apear to be like the UN. A joke... A group that is all talk, no action.
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I will try to explain in a less rude way then you have just asked the question:
First, if you attended either of the meetings that we had you would know that we just ratified the Constitution and have finally set everything up. That is the first step.
Second, if you had been to the meetings you would know that the URPS division, Merchants of the Claw (Headed by Bloodclaw Inc.), said that members of the URPS will get price discounts on weapons and items when the time comes for shops. Not to mention loans to guilds.
Third, if you had been at the meetings you would know that we have set up a Militia and we, as a group can help one another in guild wars with troops and money. Also as negotiators.
Those are just two benefits from being in the URPS... not to mention depending on how it evolves there could be missions for Mercenaries later. If you have any good ideas on how we could help everyone bring it to the Our forum. Any member who is not satisfied is free to leave. If people are hanging around in the URPS not particapating, nay saying, and just waiting for it to benefit them, then I think I speak for everyone when saying you are not needed. If you want to be involved and help mold this idea then we are hear with open minds and open hearts.
In addition... Any other member from the URPS, please send myself a PM or post on our forum ... I am tired of having to defend ourselves here..
And I want to thank all of our supporters for standing behind us.
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The forums are browsable by guest now... they cant post but you no longer have to join the forum to look at the info.
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yeah yeah yeah. now u tell me. i spent a good 30 secs on that little application.
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You say that you will lend aid in the form of troops. I don\'t see this working at all. For example, A few strong guilds get together and attack a member of URPS. To lend aid, one or more other guilds in URPS would have to join in to this guild war willingly. One guild alone won\'t do it, it would just screw them over. So everyone in URPS joins in bringing together a two sided battle to the death. :P Now everyone in URPS won\'t join in, because I don\'t see a Good guild helping out an Evil guild or vice versa :) So nothing happens and we have your typical, all talk no action UN style organization :)
But whatever, money would help alot if the guilds giving it don\'t mind not having it back ;)
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That is a possible situation Xordan. I would hope the URPS is never hated that much or depending on whos fault this war was, I hope a member of the URPS would never start such an unwarrented battle. I know this will sound cliche, but the URPS does want a peaceful realm. The worst possible solution is an alliance against the URPS. I believe it depends on how peaceful we want this realm. Too many other online games have been controlled by guild wars and the like. I, we do not wish this on PS. We want to enhance rp, and get people involved in an Organization that will bring the PS realm together. If this situation ever happened, it would be bad for PS all around. This would put atleast ten guilds at war... depending on how big the side attacking the URPS is. This would not be a case where just the URPS is damaged, it would hurt the entire realm.. and it would lead us down a path that I believe we should not go. Guild Wars are okay... though I think relative peace is what most people want... or atleast I hope. :)
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I don\'t know about all of that - in the current state of the game, it would bet boring without wars and conflict. A peaceful realm would be dull and uninteresting, and unrealistic. Guild wars also weed out weak guilds and can make the whole RP world a more dynamic place.
That said, I have been working with airbornex on a banner for the new URPS site. After many emails of it back and fourth these are what we came up with.
(http://www.geocities.com/brantwatson2002/fullbanner.jpg)
Or courtesy of Airbornex a nicely modded version.
(http://img218.exs.cx/img218/2025/urpsbanner3be.jpg)
Update: This will also be posted on the URPS site forums.
Update again: Added the Airbornex modifications one.
Edit: Forgot to mention that the flags pole was completely Airbornex\'s work.
Update: New version with shadows added in. These are to make it appear more 3 dimensional. The added shadows on the flag part are the work of Kuragon, who did a fantastic job. The shadow is only applied to the top version as don\'t have Airbornex\'s to add to.
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Ha ha, thats great how you manipulated those pics so it looks like they\'re holding the banner :)
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There will be a URPS meeting tomorrow at 3:00 PM GMT -6. If it needs to be moved back please let me know. I hope everyone can make it.
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The URPS has many entries for deciding on what logo to use. Please register at our site (http://plexus.shacknet.nu/ps/index.php) if you havn\'t already. Then go to this thread and look at the possibilities. There is a poll to vote in to choose the logo you like best.
http://plexus.shacknet.nu/ps/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=85&sid=9adf8b19246f945010b3ff5
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This last Sunday was supposed to be a new URPS meeting. The goals of this meeting were broad, including finding the true direction to take the council. Valbrandr and I had been making plans, collecting information, and preparing. Then, much to our dismay a terrible tragedy struck. Our so wonderfully reliable (cough cough) Internet went down. Completely. It was Saturday, but attempts to restore the service before the Sunday meeting proved useless. We are just now getting everything working correctly again. I got married Friday, April 1st (not an April fools joke), and still came back in time to prepare for the meeting, but what can ya do? Internet is kind of required.
As a result of this atrocity, we will be switching our Internet service provider. To all who have considered it: Avoid DirecWay Satellite Internet as if it were the Black Plague. It is basically about as reliable as a Ford Grenada (If you don\'t know trust me ? that is bad).
To continue:
Some things I feel need to be said:
1)The URPS is not dead. I have seen posts making this claim, as well as people on the URPS chat channel making that statement as well. The initiative continues, and will not die. We will continue to fuel it as long as Planeshift Exists.
2)The Website. Lishom has been a bit busy lately, entertaining some guests, and the like. As time permits more work will progress on the site. Until then the site embedded in the SoR site is still the official site.
3)This isn\'t exactly URPS related specifically. But a few thoughts. What does everyone thing about the mutation thing? It seems kind of odd to me. Truthfully, I don\'t think its that cool. It appears to me that the devs are trying to find something to keep the game interesting, and expand on the story a bit since the game in its current state doesn\'t have a lot of plot or many quests to do. So, I am wondering... if this is a problem because of the games state, what can we all do to make the game more interesting? RP goes a ways, but its not going to fix everything. Perhaps we can organize some interesting activities for people to do. I\'m not sure what though.
Its just something to think about. If anyone has any ideas about the last point don\'t post them here. Post them in this thread I started:
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=15965&boardid=13&styleid=2&page=1#1
Thanks! I hope everyone who cares will help.
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It seems to be a catching thing my friend.
But as you said it is not dead, I wonder if winter hibernation has kicked or if being back in classes or work has to do with the amount of input it has had recently?
The mutation thing...hmmm...I tried my hardest and do when ingame to actually try to strike up a conversation that involes remembering things that have gone on in the ordinary life thats in between quests.
URPS Moral Service could be a solution for us:):) whatya reckon?
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Greetings again! Important message:
There will be a URPS meeting THIS Sunday. The time will be announced on the URPS site. This meeting is important for one big reason. I believe I can move us from a group of talk to a group of action. One of the main goals of the URPS is to help improve the overall expirence of Planeshift. Many have debated how this can be done. Well, it wasn\'t my idea, but I have found a way I believe. With an organization of the size of the URPS we have alot of manpower, with some great players. A fellow player, whose forum name is Zan, has come up with an idea. A festival full of games and challenges, etc... It seems well organized and its not all talk. He is doing it. I have been communicating with him and I believe this is exactly the sort of thing that the PS community needs. With the game in its current state, the players themselves become the content. And if these players just run around and kill things and sit and talk and maybe duel, it isn\'t much content. So a festival gives a chance to be a great place to make the game fulfill its potential.
Zan needs help with manpower a bit. This would include prizes, judges etc, as well as advertising and getting people to attend. I belive the URPS is extremely well suited to this and can help him attain his goals.
I would like for the URPS to endorse the Festival as its first official charter. Instead of talking and electing and organizing lets DO SOMETHING. Lets get this plane off the ground and take it to new heights. Actions will help boost us to fulfill our potential as an organization.
Edit: Here is a link to Zans thead and a discussion of the Festival
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=15807&boardid=13&styleid=3&sid=1c8864cdf9fe71119cfe5a38672d9a1a
Edit: Typos
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Thank you, Induane.
I am looking forward to working together with URPS and hope that we can create a piece of planeshift history together.
Also I wanted to share this .. which is the official announcement of the Festival of the Hunt.
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=15995&boardid=13&styleid=3&sid=c8a66c51150c6d1fb608cefa5d9e28c2&page=1#1
Any questions or concerns I would of course gladly answer at the meeting.
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Alirght all, the meeting is in 2 hours from now - countdown started. THe meetin is GMT -6
so its at 3:00 PM Central time USA,,, beyone that I don\'t know. Hehe. BUt 2 hours from the time of this post we\'ll meet. I know its short notice and I\"m not sure how many can be there, but we just need a few to start spreading the word. That way we can start rallying the manpower.
Thanks to all who can attend.
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Its good to be back after a brief period of inactivity. Our internet connection was down for like three weeks but no matter. We will be having a meeting in two weeks.. on April 30th at 2:00 PM GMT -6. Please everyone who can, try to make it. We will discuss our future along with new elections. If anyone has any questions either PM me or post here. See you soon...
PS Anyone who can be online on the 23rd of April please come and help out with the festival. It will be fun
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Alright, thats great news. I\'ll have some stuff to report, so I\'ll start preparing.
On a related note I have finished a smallish patch that changes some graphics ingame to have some advertising posters and the like. It just makes things a little more interesting.
I\'ll be posting it tonight as soon as I upload it. So check back and give it a try :)
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I, leader of the Circle of Mages, am considering joining your alliance. I will have to bring it before the rest of my members before making such a desicion, but what I read seems close to the ideals of my guild.
As a note, my guild is very small, and I will likely be the only representitive, as I am the member most often online. The reason for this is that my guild is based in NW America, and very few people here play Planeshift due to the half-second delay. Most of the people here play Runescape. I (and the rest of my guild) are among the very few exceptions.
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Well, I don\'t play that unamed game either :)
Well, here it is, way behind schedule. This is a mod pack to some of the graphics of planeshift. It was intended as advertising for the Festival, but there isn\'t much time now as the festival is looming quite soon. Still it is a good proof of concept and I hope many of you will try it out. Let me know how it all goes.
Please note, this is a 3rd party add on to planeshift and is not related to the creators of Planeshift in any way. The makers of Planeshift are in no way responsible for this content in any way.
http://www.freewebs.com/thesentinelsoftheragnarok/festivalpatch.zip
This patch is temporary in that it will go away as soon as you run the updater again.
UPDATE: You will have to copy the patch url into your address bar. Clicking on the link will not work :(
Thanks to all and hope to see you at the festival.
zkin if you wish to join the URPS please send me an email at OldSpiceAP@gmail.com
One of my official duties in the URPS is to look at new guilds appyling for membership, and as such I would like to bring up your guild at our next meeting. I need some basic information about your guild and the like. Also you can catch me ingame as Induane or Sopedu, so please contact me! :P
Hopefully all goes well with the Festival!
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Its always nice to see interest in the URPS. We will be having a meeting next Saturday on the 30th of April. It will be held in the URPS Chat at 2:00 PM GMT -6 or 2:00 PM CST. Also we will be in game much of the 23rd for the festival. You can try to catch us in game or in our chat. Talk to you soon...
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For those one or two people who stay up all night long crying, believing that the URPS withered away...
We are having a new meeting!!! (Sounds interesting doesnt it :) ) It will be this Sunday teh 31st of July at 12:00 PM GMT -6. Hope to see you there.
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Great. A new meeting I hope I remember ^^.
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you\'d better remember, because if you don\'t I\'ll, uhh... I\'ll... I\'ll say MEAN things about you like ...uhhh mean stuff! S obe warned :) \\
Hope to see you there :)
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/me hands Induane a list of mean and hurtful things to say about Sangwa, mostly references to the DE.
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The URPS meeting is today at 12:00 PM GMT -6:00. Hope to see all the core members there. :)
Still got thirty minutes. But Ill be in here most of the day.