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Fan Area => Roleplaying (Communitive Storywriting) => Collaborative Stories => Topic started by: Teejae on February 11, 2005, 09:04:29 pm
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Greetings mortals.
I am Teejae Eripmav, proprietor of the society known as Darkhaven. Iris Osiris leads alongside me. We are vampires of seperate bloodlines, but our unity in leadership is symbolic of our acceptance of all dark kind into our family.
Our aims are simple; we are here to provide refuge and safety to other creatures of the night and demonic humanoids who are unfairly hunted by mortal beings. We pride ourselves on being able to control the animal instincts of our vampire heritage and not giving in to violence, thus why we are able to see the extent of your undue hatred, which makes us seek to protect the innocent ones amongst our kindred. We only feed on willing victims, and never pass on the curse without their agreement... feeding has been mastered so it can be quite a... pleasurable experience for all involved.
We know about the existing bloodline of dark ones existing in Yliakum today. To their leader (she knows who she is) we offer them a place in our society. We know the intricacies of how you perpetuate, and we see that you are weak and in need of us. Join us in our haven and you will be protected by our stronger blood.
((Note that we are a society, not a guild. The only requirement of joining us is that you are cursed in some form. Normal mortals may also join us as the \"Willing\"; that is, you are willing to give your blood for the purpose of sustaining those of us who need it. You will have the same priviledges as any creatures who join us as the Protected.))
Mortals have little to fear from our growing society, but we will protect unfair persecution of those like us and will fight if necessary. For more information about us, you may explore our newly constructed settlement, which will be the basis for our sanctuary. There you may learn about us and know that we do not all exist to cause terror and death to mortals.
Farewell for now, and if anyone likes what they hear... come find us.
http://www.albinomoogie.net/darkhaven
OOC: We\'re an RP society and this is just to let people know that we exist, and if you\'re interested in joining or wish to talk just approach one of us ingame
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(As Iris Osiris, not Moogie):
Fear not, for we shant encourage public feeding. It is a private, personal experience, one which we understand mortals do not wish to be viewing over a mug of ale in the tavern; a view obviously not shared by the cursed felines. ;)
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*nods*
Thank you. I believe one Vampire Poser in tavern is enow.
Good luck with this... thingy.
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alright i\'ll play ball rp....
*ahem*
Demon scum, you do not deserve to live in our fair lands cursed as you are. There in no life for ye nigh death by what ever means you foul unworld things require to go into the death realm and not come out. surely all sane people of this land good or evil will see that a cursed existance such as your\'s is not worth living and that you should be purged out of this land.
p.s. is there even going to be vampires in PS or are you just gonna sulk in a corner and say your gonna suck my blood if i bug you with fangs you stole from some old enki folks home?
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OOC: There are already vampires in PS long before we came. Talk to Taser Rander.
IC: You have your concerns, it is understandable. We do not expect mortals to trust us so easily. We will make home in the Death Realm if it suits you; the atmosphere is more suited to us than the brightness of the world above. Although the light from the great Crystal doesn\'t harm us, it can give a bit of a headache now and then.
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Originally posted by Moogie
OOC: There are already vampires in PS long before we came. Talk to Taser Rander.
Taser is not a vampire... she is an insane fenkie who thinks she is one because of sharp teeth. Also being drunk or high on catnip doesn\'t make her statements very serious. Not to mention, what kind of vampire would shout that she is one in public place?
*shakes head*
goth kids these days...
So please don\'t ask anyone to think someone is vampire/god/bill gates/pikachu/whatever just because he says so.
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nay you cursed so you must be destroyed like all your cursed kind so our races no longer have to worrie about your curse we are safe all your kind must be killed from our lands if we wish to be safe.
ooc: no i mean actuall vampires not just pretending to...going back to sulking in a corner idea....
EDIT: sorry i understand that taser is just an alcoholic so he can live....
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I\'ve lived longer than you mortal and unlike my other destructive brethren I am still here and will always remain here. We have no desire to fight but will if the fight is brought to us, until such time we shall live among you. If we meant any harm we would not be so bold with our presence
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Originally posted by Teejae
I\'ve lived longer than you mortal and unlike my other destructive brethren I am still here and will always remain here.
eww thats so lame i dont even wanna rp comeback...
good luck with your guild...club...cult.....thing....
your gonna need it
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speaking OOC wise i have been here longer then anyone that has replied in this thread :D
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For me vampirism is more a burden than a gift and perhaps you also feel my pain?
But from seeing how little control most of these monsters have it will take alot of work to convince me to joining such a group. Do you have control? Are you willing to prove it?
Are you worthy of my allegiance?
OOC: I might join sometime in the future but for now its a no.
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OOC: I would just to point out that the arrogance in my msgs is just part of my char, not part of me :) It\'s because Teejae is a char thats lived for many ages and suffered many threats of death and persecution but survived. So really the society and him just want to live in peace, and the hint of arrogance comes from still being threatened again after efforts to be peaceful are ignored.
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Your company would be much welcomed, Syzerian. I take it you also had a mortal life that no longer exists? Proof will come over time. We live amongst everyone equally and peacefully, but we will not tolerate those with mindless, violent needs to destroy our kind without reason. They compensate for troubled upbringings and lonely, shallow lives... they are the ones who deserve to not exist.
Take time, observe, learn. And if you need us, we are here to give strength over persecution.
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does it matter wether someone is cursed or not?
wether ye be a mortal, or a cursed creature in a cult
as long as you don\'t incur danger to my friends or family i will let you live in peace.
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speaking OOC wise i have been here longer then anyone that has replied in this thread
Aww title lost. Sorry.
As far as the guild is concerned....yeah.
I\'d have to agree with Sep with the whole vamp thing.
But it\'s roleplay and if Drak can get money off of n00bs for \"imaginary\" booze then this guy can be a vampire. :]
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Appears from the corner of the room walking circles around Teejae and Osiris, examing them and then turns his back to them both
I was born into the \"Darkmane\" bloodline, a clan of vampires called the Ventrue Vampires. We exist in many realms as a dominant force..until this day I knew not of any others existence besides my own in this realm...Unlike my father and his father before him I don\'t take part in our past rituals but rather have taken upon myself of removing the evil presence from this realm...For now I shall accompany you in the Darkhaven family for mine has past been annhilated...Disappears
OOC: This is a wonderful idea to bring into Planeshift, whether you all want to join in or not Vampire RP is alot of fun. I was once known as a NightShade Darkmane of the Ventrue Vampires on Graalonline and it was amazing fun. If you don\'t want to take part thats fine don\'t take part, but don\'t mistake this with a guild for its rather a family that sticks together.
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I think the problem, Depth, is that vampires do not exist in PS. Yes some may say that it is rp but you must remember this is PS, a completely different universe. How can someone say that vampires will exist here?
RPing is fine. But RPing has to adhere to the concepts of the game. I won\'t rp a minotaur. Why? Because there are none in PS.
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OOC: Aendar there is no problem you guys just don\'t approve so you must find reasons for it not to be good for P.S...This is a RPG a fantasy...Things can exist without you knowing..cultures can exist in the hidden rooms of taverns..just like anything else in the world...
There is no need for your approval or anyone elses so let it be..if you got a beef with a vampire family go ahead and do it in character.
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I have no problem with his guild. As I said he is welcome to go ahead with it. What I am saying is that I disapprove of it, because this is an RPG, yes, but this is also a game. Yo know how I feel about RPing. I am in no way, shape, or form against it. I encourage it. I nurture it like a child. But as I said there are certain things you can and cannot do in RPing. If you don\'t believe that then you aren\'t RPing.
And as for that last comment: I\'ve said this before and I will say it again here. This is the Guilds Forum. The Roleplaying Forum is down the hall. I do not need to do anything in-character as long as it is in this forum.
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No I just cant approve of this. Vampires are not in PS and what do you think this is an imaginary Realm or something where we all roleplay to a certain extent... Ahh wait that is exactly what this is. Howcome everytime someone comes up with an idea that is out of the box everyone jumps on them.
I like the idea of having Vampires,, it just adds one more aspect to the game.
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*pulls down his hood and walks up to Iris, closely examining the so-called Vampire. In a quick motion, he grabs Iris hand, takes out his ceremonial knife and makes a small cut on one of her fingers. He then smiles at her and proceeds to examining the blood on his knife.
Hmm...It doesnt...smell any different, but...
*licks the blood of his ceremonial knife and looks around in wonder.
wait...wait...no nothing.
*starts laughing and points at the \"vampires\" with his ceremonial sword
The existence of the vampires is nothing but a myth, created by some drunkard in a tavern somewhere...
*walks away and whispers something in Depthblade\'s ear on the way out
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*watches Tybalt walk into the door* :rolleyes:
\"of course, you\'ll always get someone that will go out of their way to put down anything you try to do\"
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Originally posted by Moogie
OOC: There are already vampires in PS long before we came. Talk to Taser Rander.
well lady Mogura, must bring me into the picture?
ah yes, sir Draklar seems a tad dissapointed of my feeding in the tavern, so it is now a private thing
definately a priveledge to get bitten by one of my bloodline... ask Clover
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Hmm...It doesnt...smell any different, but...
*licks the blood of his ceremonial knife and looks around in wonder.
*Icefalcon watches Tybalt, slightly amused, but... uncomfortable. Not disgusted, he had seen the Red Monk do some wierd things, but he did not care to watch it any more than he had to*
Ehem, in any case. Good luck with your Society Teejae and Iris.
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Its called roleplay, and I think its a cool idea...If I wasnt already in a guild and scared of Taser beating me up all the time I would join the guild.
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aye, alas...
the Vampires of my bloodline (the Rander Bloodline) came from me, as i was affected by the crystal....
the cyrstal\'s magic gave me the gift.... the gift of blood
i feel as it is a gift that is given, and not forced upon one
though we be a creature of the drak, evil are we not? as i, a vampire, study the school of the crystal arts, and not of the dark!
join your cult i would, but i have a bloodline with a marking already... started beyond before the creation of yours, be we can, allies.... that is the most...
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Glares at Taser in disgust, an begins to get closer to her
You are a mere childe, and you still don\'t know the ways of our kind...you speak to loudly of your actions and to confidently in your skills..
We only feed to survive, it isn\'t something to smile about..Your bloodline has no credibility, for all we know your just a vanpaen...soon your arrogance will spark a rise in this realm\'s forces and they unite to remove this newly formed haven....I suggest you points to the sewers go live with the rats before you get yourself in a situation you cannot handle..Chuckles Rats might be more to your taste anyway vanpaen!
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steps in front of Depthblades path and stands firmly
*sighs* \"those who accuse and ridicule belong to the sewers, even worse, they belong to the rats of the sewers.
every conflict known throughout the history of our realm was caused by individuals or groups with sheer ignorance for others, you make it sound liek you strive for peace yet you ignite the anger in everyone. think about what your doing before you speak, you are not as pure as you think you are, don\'t go calling others Vanpaen too quickly now\"
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Grabs Demarthl by the throat and casts her aside
You come to defend one who claims existence an creation from a crystal?! You are as much a fool as her...My proof to my words is all but true..she claims her powers from a CRYSTAL!? Any and every vampire knows the origins of our kind perhaps the name \"Caine\"? The Sire\'s Sire!
OOC: Please you two need to go research before you continue RPing this, you really don\'t know what your talking about..Keywords: Vampire terms, \"The Book of Nod\", \"Caine\", Bloodlines, these are words that might aid you in your research.
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Originally posted by dragonfire999
Originally posted by Moogie
OOC: There are already vampires in PS long before we came. Talk to Taser Rander.
well lady Mogura, must bring me into the picture?
ah yes, sir Draklar seems a tad dissapointed of my feeding in the tavern, so it is now a private thing
definately a priveledge to get bitten by one of my bloodline... ask Clover
((I\'m being Iris here, not Mogura :P))
Well you certainly brag about it enough, do you think you\'ll not then come up in conversation? I would have thought it\'s exactly the attention you crave for your esteemed bloodline...
*Pats Depth on the shoulder* Easy there, ventrue. They are neither here nor there to us.
Taser, the self proclaimed leader... and you dare to put your age beyond ours? You put yourself at the center of all attention here, \"ancient\". Ours and the ones holding the pitchforks... joining us would be wise at this time.
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stands up and dusts herself off
tch, you are as much of a fool as your are loud and ignorant.
I stand between you and her, you know why, because Iris is right!
you throw me aside to ensue conflict, you ignite the fire that will burn us all if you carry on, i suggest you pace yourself, sit and talk with a proper manner.
as for me, I\'ll wait outside, i feel something is coming.
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I only speak to protect what has been long since built, stop trying to salvage what respect you have left, by diverting this to be about me starting conflict. After defending Tazer and her words of nonsense you are nothing...
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I never have been anything... you fail to realise some of us fight for what we believe in and don\'t take the glory, some of us were never known by every person in the realm.
respect is nothing. I\'m sure you might have realized that at somepoint in your existance, but i guess wrong, even you the almighty, all glorified, still has to learn
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I will not learn from someone who knows nothing, you presume I am some arrogant fool who has taught himself everything? I once had a Sire..and I have learnt through my journeys and my years of conflict..
You tell me some of us fight for what we believe? What do you think I have done my entire life? Fought for someone elses belief? I have my right to Glory as do you, my voice echos this I cannot help...but I surely thrive off it to say the least! Noo..I cannot listen to you..anyone that says \"Respect is nothing\" well \"Respect IS EVERYTHING\". Respect your friends, respect your foes...respect others beliefs and respects your elders..RESPECT
OOC: I cannot respect someone in RP when they know nothing to which they speak, heh there is origin in vampiric knowledge..that you cannot change.
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did i say learn from me? did i say you worked for false beleifs?
and sorry but respect isn\'t everything, yes you respect people, and people respect you, but you dont build your life around respect, thriving off of it, doing anything by any means to get more respect, it would make you sound like a thug...
now i must leave, something is bugging me
ooc: psst not everyone is a moron ;) try to be a little more leaniant, wouldn\'t want to put people off roleplaying for good would you :p
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hmmmm... vampires,
I may be compared with you, but I am different to you in many ways. Mainly because I am not dead, but a thin line of the pure energy of life that connects body and soul is quasi hardened. Simmilar to you I need to feast on others, but different to you I do not frink their blood, but suck in the pure energy of life, that is freed when the creature dies. Some would call me \"Soul-Vampire\" or \"Soul-Reaver\" but they are wrong too, for I dont do anything to the Soul I just feed on the energy that links it with the body. And different to Taser or most of you, the \"curse\" or \"blessing\", as you may call it, seems to have nothing to do with my being anymore, the curse came to use the moment should have died, \"glueing\" a small stream of life energy to me and even if the \"curse\" was lifted I would carry on.
I dont see immortality as a gift, for I see death as redemtion. And for I certainly know that there is no redemtion for me, with my greed.
I want to be a flame, to crumble to ash, but never ever burnt.
I want to rise higher, rise up to the heavens, but sink, just sink down deeper and deeper into nothing,
I want to be an angel, a chosen, a devil, but I am just a creature that ever wants what it wont get.
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Heh, I really like the way people defend this vampire thing, saying \'tis rp. Well as far as I know role playing requires sticking to the given setting. Doing what you want with excuse of role playing is only child\'s play.
Until I see any good proof of existance of vampires in world(s) of Planeshift, I will believe you as much as someone who says he\'s pikachu or that he has a laser gun in his spaceship behind next corner.
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my problem is the ideals...
so what are you stronger then us faster then us do you just suck blood.... what happens when your thrown into a flame do you burst into flame and never come back?
im sorry but theres no way to rp a vampire in ps thanks to the death realm it totally defetes the object. so what you get set on fire die then come back to life from your ashs? woo my curse lives on :rolleyes: or do you come back cured of your curse....or do you tecnically wake up in the death realm as a vampire after being sire\'d? if so are most of us zombies then because we come back from the dead too. noone dies forever in ps so how can you have undead?
in short the consept of vampires, ghouls, ghosts, zombies, wraiths. are all not possible from the way ps works and while it is rp it is a bad and ignorent form of roleplay as an excuse for people to feel special. werewolfs and the like are slightly more plausable but still its not for a world where cat people freely walk the streets in daylight.
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I must say that this family line would be a really great idea if it was about your characters completely believing that they are vampires when they really just want to be. Then there really wouldn\'t be as much to complain about I think...
Quote from Demarthl*watches Tybalt walk into the door*
*senses Demarthl put on a jester suit and then jump down the well only to break her legs 100 feet below
(wow that\'s what I call great RP... ;))
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About the undead bit:
Some spells enables the control of horrific creatures, such as undead, demons, spirits.
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ok so that gives them an excuse to become a vampire...but what happnes after someone duels then and there killed or if they get ran over by some beasts? when you go to the death realm your tecnically healed from everything so all we have to do is kill teejae and iris once each and then we are all saved from the madness of the curse? only way to be safe is to sulk in a corner and avoid all
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Well they could say that the curse disallows them to go to death realm and instead they would go to etheric dimension to regain themselves.
But dying from fire spell, walking into a river or being exposed to light would have the effect of being destroyed. And since curse disallows them to go to death realm, the characters would cease to exist.
Oh, and in any way the vampires in PS couldn\'t be called undead.
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OOC: I know you seperot have serious reservations about RP\'ing vampires, but in all fairness this is an RP game, and theres nothing to say vampires dont exist in the world of PS, and being RP no one character can claim to know everything about the world they\'re in can they?
I cant say I\'ve seen an RP game yet without its share of vampires, as long as its handled properly its an interesting aspect
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Originally posted by Teejae
I cant say I\'ve seen an RP game yet without its share of vampires, as long as its handled properly its an interesting aspect
same amount of games of that nature have dragons, orc\'s goblins and the other generic monsters you do battle with over generically green lands.... is it not Planeshifts devs ideals to move as far away from the generic tryed and tested.
anyone with \"Dragon\" in there name is normally mauled half to death by the wave of \"There is no dragons\" so i see no reaosn why such a generic ideal as vampire\'s should be alowed for the same reasons.
so I personally think PS would be better with no vampires so that it can be differnt from other RPG\'s :) and i know im not alone in that opinion
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I know, but theres also people who like and dont mind the idea. So the only thing that can really be done is to wait and see what happens.
And the dragon thing might be because you\'re right there are no dragons, theres no model or way to be one really unless you say you\'re in human form all the time for some reason. But vampires dont require models and such really.
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I don\'t think Seperot is discussing whether people like it or not, but the right of existance of vampires in PS.
I\'m sure many people would like to see dragons or goblins in Yliakum, but that doesn\'t mean it\'s right from rp point of view.
Edit: Seperot doesn\'t mean models, but setting. There are no dragons in Yliakum.
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I wasnt sure, and I can see the point made and if he wasnt discussing whether people like it or not why say:
\"PS would be better with no vampires so that it can be differnt from other RPG\'s and i know im not alone in that opinion\"
Thats arguing dislike for the idea I thought. Really we\'re just players in this game, if being a vampire becomes bannable because it isnt allowed in PS thats fine, but until then theres no real point in this discussion as neither side is going to change their views really.
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Taking stuff out of context is childish, if not lame...
And the context is that devs want PS original, thus no such races as orcs or dragons. So different from other rpg\'s.
Btw, with curent death realm setting, it would be impossible to become undead because of curse/disease.
Because, frankly, you are cured once you die.
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Draklar I didnt take anything out of context, that was a seperate comment I thought. As I\'ve said this argument isnt going to be resolved, we could argue back and forth all day but it would be a waste of both our times. Can we agree to just see what happens?
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ho hum.... this has gone a lil far from RP :(
anyways....
its a lil more fun to roleplay like this
a newbie shouldnt start something like this, i started it back in january for a lil twist in the game and well,... im not a newbie so i have my rights :D
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Why exactly newcomer has less rights in anything than you?
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\'coz they dont understand much of the game, and well.... newbies dont tend to have a voice ;P
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OOC: Ok, I know I\'m late to post here, but here\'s my general comments. I agree with everyone who\'s said that vampires aren\'t really part of PS. It\'s just... I don\'t know. PS is s\'posed to be unique. Couldn\'t you think up something unique? Why vampires? I\'m not going to RP a leprechaun in PS. Why? They don\'t exist here. It\'s not that hard to understand. However, I\'ll go along with it, since anything I say isn\'t going to have any effect on you anyways. Oh, and fireofsoul, that\'s amazingly arrogant. I mean, I\'m arrogant IC, but that\'s just... yikes.
IC: *Phinehas stands around and watches the vampires and others argue amongst themselves. He chuckles when someone mentions that we have nothing to fear from them.*
Fear? Oh dear me, no. I\'m sure you will be useful, though.
*With that he walks off after Tybalt.*
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IC: The whole point of the announcement was to make it clear that there is nothing to fear.
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Oh, but I beg to differ.
There was nothing to fear. Now that you announced it, all the blood thirsty adventurers will be after thy throats.
*looks around*
Blood thirsty figuratively speaking of course...
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That might be the reason why someone who doesn\'t consider himself a vampire roleplays him better than the one who announces to be one :P
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We have survived before and with any luck will survive this.
OOC: And announcing it was necessary, harder to set up what we want to without doing so and its part of the character really, all my char wants is for a bit of acceptance and to be able to coexist
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OOC: Well none of us here have the power to stop you from doing what you are doing, so you should just do your best. I love the fact that you come up with a family line rather than a guild. It makes it all a little bit more original.
I hope you don\'t mind that some of our characters just won\'t take your words for granted, since being vampires basically means you are much more experienced than they are, not to mention the fact that they are mere mortals walking in the shadow of your splendor.
Draklar: You\'re a poet :P
And Taser...for some reason, I would rather hear a voiceless newbie\'s opinion than yours, right now...
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Originally posted by Phinehas
Couldn\'t you think up something unique?
I hope my kind of a \"vampire-like\" creature is unique enough, and you shall know best that I can defend my position with plausible arguments. (remember the glue-thingy. :D And no it cant be burnt :D)
Ahrg, vampirism seems to be too a horse that wont die, right?
Anyways noone can stop anyone from doing this (well except the mods, they could ban them - I doubt that they will do)
The thing is, that after reading the whole background that is shown on PS.it (http://www.planeshift.it) doesnt explicit say that there are no vampires.
Of course I would preffer that you (Taser, moogie, fierofsoul, teejae and all the others) would give some *background*, instead of saying:\"We are vampires, you know what I mean\",
I too wanted to play a vampire, but knew how it would end up, so I just mixed around with it, totally flipped somethings, but let the basics the same,
Outcome --> my former post here
I too say that you should be more original, not with the main idea but with the details, and of course the name. :rolleyes:
OOC:Hmm now that I finished my post I really think that I invited \"n00b-bashers\" to bash me into the ground.
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OOC: Taser, what you said is the most shallow arrogant thing I\'ve ever read on these forums. You should be ashamed if that is what you really think of people. I thought higher of you...
Monk: Of course, we expect that totally. :) I\'m glad to see some RP-non-believers here, as opposed to those who prefer to just argue OOC about it. In reality, Iris and Teejae are terribly arrogant and overestimating of their powers here. Perhaps they were powerful in previous worlds, but coming here to Yliakum had a dampening effect of some sort. I dunno. I\'m thinking of some explainations to write on the website. :)
IC (Iris): I love that there have been others hiding in the shadows of this world, waiting for our divine spark.. *she chuckles, moving across to Teejae to stand beside him.* What is the black cat trying to prove? How can he say we don\'t exist, when as soon as we stepped into the light, so many others followed? Are you trying to accuse us as being the first in your realm, the ones who have brought a terrible plague upon you? Look around you, ignorant creature. Haha, look around you!
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Originally posted by Draklar
Heh, I really like the way people defend this vampire thing, saying \'tis rp. Well as far as I know role playing requires sticking to the given setting. Doing what you want with excuse of role playing is only child\'s play.
Until I see any good proof of existance of vampires in world(s) of Planeshift, I will believe you as much as someone who says he\'s pikachu or that he has a laser gun in his spaceship behind next corner.
OOC: Well I am sorry if we aren\'t all humping trees and STEEL poles in RP Draklar. I know thats more of your taste..All I read is people who have a grudge against Vampire RP, thats fine once again you don\'t have to take part in it..no ones going to force you..just like no one is going to force me to love STEEL :P Though to start saying what is RP and what isn\'t, well Draklar thats just a load of crap coming from you as usual.
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And that\'s another valuable post from you, Depth.
If it isn\'t too much to ask, may you give any good argument saying in what way actions that stay outside of given setting can be called skilled role playing?
And just in case: \"thats just a load of crap\" isn\'t what I call good argument.
when as soon as we stepped into the light
It\'s actually funny to hear that from vampire ^^
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OOC: How can you say what is the given setting? People were burned for being vampires in medievil times..Vampiric socities are kept in secret, they can exist in any setting without you knowing an pop there heads whenever they feel. Thats the way of the Vampire..
EDIT: Oop Moogie got one in to, same idea :P Yes your right Moogie whatever you say he will argue because he hates to be wrong
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OOC: I\'m afraid there\'s nothing to say this is outside the setting. Witch hunts were commonplace in medieval times, for example. But you\'re never going to agree, so why keep arguing? :)
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Actually I said how it is against setting. All I am asking for is to make an argument against it instead of saying \"thats just a load of crap\".
Is that really too much to ask?
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OOC: ?( Erm... I thought I just did. I\'m not sure what else you want, sorry. Can we get back to RPing? Bicker in PMs. :)
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Your original post
If it isn\'t too much to ask, may you give any good argument saying in what way actions that stay outside of given setting can be called skilled role playing?
Have you just changed your question or what it has been answered already for what you asked. I agree like we said no matter what response given you will never accept it to be right :P
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Originally posted by Draklar
Btw, with curent death realm setting, it would be impossible to become undead because of curse/disease.
Because, frankly, you are cured once you die.
Gratulations to you both for reading up before discussing something.
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OOC: So? Whoopdeedoo you could have stated that again tto remind us, so we could answer the question with the facts stated. Instead of just waiting for us to be confused and say oohh your so lame for not reading up :P
To make things alittle clearer, no matter what the death realm setting is it is still possible. The original vampire \"Caine\" was cursed for killing his brother, cursed by the \"Gods\".
(Going back to work :P Wanna argue more message me in private, I am well studied up on Vampires -_-)
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So am i Depthblade thats more the reason why i think they shouldent be in ps.
i think Xalthar put it best in an IRC chatroom. vampires are far too popular now a days there no longer anything special and very much a comon idea for many people. almost \"pop\" culture. which is exactly why there not suited for Planeshift a game that wants to be outside the normal and mundane of the fantasy world. having vampires is forcing it to be as mundaneand normal and any other lame RPG.
now i wouldent have any opposition to an idea like Merdarion\'s.... something that is more unique and new :)
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OOC: Well you are entitled to your opinion of course. You don\'t think we should be here, and we think it doesn\'t matter. We already have \"official\" Elves and Dwarves and Humans. Having some small unofficial group of RP vampires in the community is hardly going to make PS any more unoriginal. And if you don\'t like it, nobody\'s making you come here to read it.
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Originally posted by seperot
now i wouldent have any opposition to an idea like Merdarion\'s.... something that is more unique and new :)
Yeah I guess that would be better. I just need some sort of Vampire like curse.
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OOC: I created Drumeth Naterik on a wim to rp my darker side but never created a story for him. Now I\'m getting a few ideas though and will put the story on my new webpage when I get it finished.
By the way what kinds of werecritters are in ps? (?)
IC: (Drumeth) My curse may not be the same as yours but I will join with you....... for now. Beware though, for my Lycanthropy can make me a bit unpredictable when angred.
OOC: And of course Hatchnet\'s response to all this.
IC: (Hatchnet) As long as your um feedings are consentual I see no problem with you, but if I here of any attacks what so ever I will hunt the culprit down untill he is destroyed!
Edit: History for Drumeth Naterik has now been added to my web page http://www.freewebs.com/hatchnetdubon/index.htm
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I see the demons of the crystal realm have found a new home. Though I welcome new challenges, do not be sure that the people of Hydlaa will pay respect. A rebellion is sparking ever so slowly.
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IC:
Frankly, i dont see how vampires can\'t exist in yliakum, the lightsource is different thus it might have a different effect on vampires. Also durring the crossover Talad could have brought over mythical creatures unknowingly and we can\'t forget that theres a huge underground network of caves and other caverans connected to Yliakum that might contain similar creatures or i dare say even stranger ones.
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@seperot : i can see your concern but when you start to think of it Planeshift already has cat people, elves and dwarfs these are also part of \"pop\" culture to.
It would be fun to see a \"vampire system\" ingame where you could get imbraced(Tm):D, and your now dammed charater would get extra strength, extra speed and some buffs at night, but like everything eals theres a catch. Let any non-vampire know and you could find yourself surrounded by bounty hunters.(if there was open combat and perma-death it would be real fun to play.)
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Demarthl pops her head through an open window
Aye, tis time, thee pitchfork wielders are amassing on one of the hills.
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Originally posted by Draklar
Actually I said how it is against setting. All I am asking for is to make an argument against it instead of saying \"thats just a load of crap\".
Is that really too much to ask?
Observation/Opinion: Actually the setting is that all of the races who travelled to Yliakum came through portals from many different places, none of the current races were originally in Yliakum. Therefore the setting of Planeshift could constantly be changed. The Vampiric race could have travelled through a yet undiscovered portal.
Opinion: Role playing is playing a role in a world. Not every person is a happy-go-luck run-of-the-mill character. There are anomalies, plagues, so on. Have you ever played a Pen and Paper RPG and found out at a later date that something was not as it appeared?
Aye, I didn\'t read Lymic\'s post.
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Originally posted by Lymic
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@seperot : i can see your concern but when you start to think of it Planeshift already has cat people, elves and dwarfs these are also part of \"pop\" culture to.
You mean you noticed any resambles between PS elves and \"pop culture\" elves besides pointy ears? :P
Clover: My statement was that with curent setting it\'s impossible to become undead because of disease/curse. Depth answered that, saying that... not all vampires are undead?
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Draklar I know you will dislike the idea, but there are other ways to get out of Death Realm. I am sure that skilled necromancers (well I have my experiences in that kind of magic) can connect a portal from the world to the realm of death,
So they surely can grab a wandering soul and pluck them into a dead body, reuniting Body and Soul without the Life Energy (because this energy is not easily summoned after it left)
and the lack of the same energy could have \"side effects\", something is needed to keep both body and mind together, for the normal vampires it would be common blood (through which some life energy flows), beside from that the lack of life energy kind-of negates the process of aging (were nothing is nothing can leave) or better said that they are aging when they do not feast and get younger again after drinking blood, but when they dont get any blood over a certain ammount of time they will \"starve\"
Well my position is a different of course, for I am living, and when I dont feast I will end up as millenia old crippled elf without any sense, but I wont \"starve\" or die in any other way, because of the small stream of live energy that is \"glued\" to me, and of course I dont have to feed on the blood because I have the ability to suck in freed live energy.
OOC: I hope that I have given a \"unique\"-enough description to stop this pointless argument.
(Yeah I know that it has a touch of Legacy of Kain)
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I\'m not talking about going out of death realm. Once you get in your soul is healed, so...
Edit: Oh and I would actually like the idea if \'twas dealt like by Syzerian. Until now I only knew there\'s something dark about him, never knew \'tis anything near vampirism. Aka roleplayed well. Instead I see vampire wannabes who make blood-drinking rituals in taverns or announce themselves to the whole world. Now I would approve it if \'twas some kind of underground organisation that only members know about. For others \'twould be rumors at best.
This however sounds like an invite for people like Taser who think role playing vampire is some kind of privilege and those who think being vampire makes you \"kewl\".
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I was giving my opinion how undeath could work. And after being sticked to another body getting into death realm would be as a soul of that body and not of an former one.
And yes Draklar, if you count me as a vampire than not all vampires are undead.
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What I find funny is that \"Dark Haven\" was the name of the largest vampire (Well, it was \'vampyre\', but that\'s a long story...) guild in the last graphical game I spent five years on..
If history repeats itself... eesh.
No fire demon vamps. Please. Promise me. No bludwyne either. I beg thee.
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Originally posted by Lymic
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@seperot : i can see your concern but when you start to think of it Planeshift already has cat people, elves and dwarfs these are also part of \"pop\" culture to.
Cat people. the only other fame i\'ve seen them in is morrowind ;) hardly everywhere. Dwarfs are not exactly what one would call popular no? you dont have herds of people going \"OMGZ i wanna be a dwarf they have such cool powers!\". Elves i agree with you they are just like dragons. how ever 2 wrong moves dosent make it right to give full justice for all things generic to come crashing into ps.
oh and another interesting note... how do vampires deal with kran\'s?
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..cat people are EVERYWHERE. Ever heard of -furry-?
And I can only hope they never bring \'dark elves\' here. Some of the drowish concepts are fun and all, but its been done to death.
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Yes, what Seperot is trying to say is that unoriginal = bad.
That\'s why dwarves are bad, elves are bad, dragons are bad and vampires are bad.
But of course there\'s more.
I can see magic in most fantasy worlds. So there shouldn\'t be magic in PS.
Hmm... now that I think about it, swords aren\'t original as well. We should fight with sticks... or no, sticks come from trees and trees aren\'t original.
Hmm... I don\'t think using english is original, we should come up with new language... ah, no that\'s bad too because typing can be seen all over the net, so no speaking at all because it\'s unoriginal. We should sit and just watch people connecting/disconnecting. Oh wait, that\'s PS fan chan... so not original as well :<
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If someone didn\'t get it yet, that ^ was a sarcasm.
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OOC: Draklar and Sep are right. I agree with Drak that the way Syzerian did it is much better. Also Sirvion\'s style is unique enough that you know he put more thought into it than, \"I wanna be a vampire! They rock!\". That\'s my main problem with this, it\'s too open... you\'re vampires for crying out loud.
And like the idea that the light from the crystal doesn\'t hurt you? How does that work? You wanna have the strengths of vampires, but can\'t handle the weaknesses? Lame. I mean, seriously, if you\'re going to RP do it right. My character, Phinehas, is a cripple, so guess what... that means I\'m not gonna be \"running\" in PS. I want a full RP experience, and I\'m willing to have the patience to deal with it. If you want to be vampires, then you should adhere to the vampire lore, stuff like avoiding light, etc. etc. Don\'t just be like, \"We\'re vampires. We feed on others. We\'re invincible. Deal with it.\" You\'ll especially have trouble with that sense after \"dying\" the rest of us \"resurrect\" too. Like Monketh said, it\'s also understandable that IC people are going to resent your presence due to your age, supposed \"knowledge\", and invincibility.
Also, just as a point of interest... seeing as in vampire lore, they\'re susceptible to religious stuff, are you guys particularly susceptible to Crystal Way magic?
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OOC: Well so far no one has resented me, infact no one has even complained about the character I RP, everyone has quite liked it. Vampire lore is very diverse so its hard to get 1 definition, if you follow the LoK style vampires can be burned with ordinary water, Interview with a vampire style is one where religion and water have no ill effects, Bram Stokers Dracula didnt have the nasty aversion to sunlight. I realise these are not lore but they are where many people draw their ideas for what a vampire is.
You seem to assume alot though, I have never said im invincible, never claimed to know things others couldnt, so im not playing a vampire just because \"They Rock\" as you put it because I get no real advantage from it. I simply like the character.
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Originally posted by TheRedMonk
I hope you don\'t mind that some of our characters just won\'t take your words for granted, since being vampires basically means you are much more experienced than they are, not to mention the fact that they are mere mortals walking in the shadow of your splendor.
That\'s what I meant.
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Whether, in this instance, its true, its a valid concern to have.
In many (If not most) instances, vampirism in a game gets really silly really fast, and tends to attract some rather odd groups. Demons even moreso. There\'s another thing which hasn\'t seemed to show up here that I simply won\'t even mention in case someone goes with it, but it\'s all fairly patterned, and will eventually happen.
Anyways, in most games, people who play movie-popular creature types -tend- to want a power trip (Mind you, they do often grow out of it, but that takes YEARS). You have no bloody idea how many god-level werevampiredemondragonsunbathers I\'ve had to fight over the years in other games. It gets REALLY annoying.
It\'s also not all that creative. You can find other excuses to bite people and be all shadowy. I certainly have. Throw a little snake blood and simply -personal preferences-, and your character is slightly more original, and the reason you do things is more honest. Or, heck, just say something like \"I need animal food, but I hate to kill, so I just drink blood\" or somesuch.
All valid, but without the baggage of being a vampire.
You can even be undead. But vampirism has fifty thousand different stories, and everyone has a favorite (My personal version is that the vampire\'s soul is sent to some hellish realm and comes back as a possessing demon, rather than simply undead. Just an example).
It\'s also especially odd when you can\'t reflect it well in the game.
Even striving towards vampirism makes more sense.
But, to each their own cycle.
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OT: I think that making something a bit more original is the spice in roleplaying.
Back on Topic:
Well, and I think that the azure sun harms you, even more than the normal one. You know it\'s kinda of a lense through which the light of the sun of the surfacedwellers shines through. And if you rely on a kind of curse, then hmm you should really make a huge circle around cristal magic and temples.
I can tell you as much:
before years, I used to be a PowerGamer (in the P&P RPG round), and the only experience I got out of it is that having no weaknesses and no individualistics means having no fun.
Hmm, if I am allowed to I will give you a small tip:
Disband this guild now and here, think about how to make it better and then make it kinda secret, or you will end up running all day from \'exorcists\', and end up staked.
Well Phineas, as you know, I have an \'excuse\' for not being harmed by \'curse-lifters\' (the glue thingy ya know)
Look as Phinehas said saying \"I wanna be a vampire! They are 1337s!\" is no way, just provocation for the others.
And for the thing with \"Cain\" as a ur-vampire. *coughs* I wont like to have parts of the bible flowing into PS (especially when they are misunderstood and used as an excuse!)
Look what you do now is just childish. Wanting to be a vampire with all his strengths, but without weaknesses.
I am not against new (or old) ideas, but when they get so ummasture that they end up uber it has come to an end.
I am not against someone who RPs a vampire, I am against someone who PGs a vampire.
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Originally posted by Teejae
I simply like the character.
that\'s the problem, there is no physical character. there is no job called vampirism, and there is no race of vampires, and i have to agree on Phinehas, if you want tha advantages, you should take the disadvantages.
And bout the kran, i got stuck on that also :S
but it\'s impossible to rp or p a vampire in ps, to much limitations to be able to do that.
just worship vampires, or something like that, believe that they are gods and that you as a mere mortal ( i concider ps players mortals even if they resurrect ) wishes to be like them, then you have the game\'s limitation, it\'s original and there\'s no fuzz round it.
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OOC: I\'ve already said im not doing this for a powertrip, never have said im uber or anything like that and dont intend to, im just another character in the world RP\'ing my own way. I know some will RP that they dont believe it and thats fine, adds another level to it as far as im concerned
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Originally posted by Teejae
OOC: Well so far no one has resented me, infact no one has even complained about the character I RP, everyone has quite liked it.
i think your missing the point.... none of us here have a problem with your char.. great idea arrogant cocky self absorbed all good stuff. what is going on here is the debate about how exactly vampires work in ps if there wanted by people the orignillity the lack of drawbacks to your curse and other stuff..
personally i think if your gonna play vampires you should at least be afriad of sunlight. it is the most common of vampire threats so even though its sent though a crystal...its still sunlight...
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The more that it comes from crystal. As you can see from Crystal Way description, it is especially effective against dark creatures.
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My suggestion: Set up a \'vampire style\' template, basically saying \"You can call yourself a vampire after attaining the following ranks, and avoiding ranks in non-vampiric things\".
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Firstly, sep you havent RP\'ed with my char in PS so all the self centered cocky e.t.c you cant really comment on unless you call all of 3 or 4 posts in character where we cant really talk a basis.
and secondly I am quite happy to RP a susceptibility to crystal way magic, but the problem with the sunlight killing is that you can quite often get caught out in the light by mistake, so that is hard to RP hence the \"something about the crystal means it is more of an annoyance than hurtful\". And anyway it does depend on what literature you follow, everyone has their own idea
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OOC: Woah. How many posts did I just read that were actually telling us to change what we\'re doing? \"Disband the guild\", \"don\'t RP vampires\" \"act like crazy people instead\". You can\'t just go around TELLING people how to roleplay if it doesn\'t suit you.
The reason we don\'t have a weakness to the crystal is incredibly simple: day cycles in PS are incredibly short, and for the most part, unnoticable. They\'re also pretty bugged. Having to run inside every time you suddenly notice it\'s 5am is a pain in the butt and ruins any other RP you have going on.
Of course a weakness to crystal way magic is perfect, and I plan on RPing that myself.
As Incenjucar said, \"to each their own cycle\", so please leave us to ours. It\'s petty to try and argue here and in that thread in the Hydlaa forum like it\'s some big international crisis.
IC: *Looks around* There\'s been nothing said for hours... perhaps they finally got the message that we won\'t be driven out?
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Actually, I\'d say that we\'re still waiting for you guys to refute our arguments. Although, yeah, I realized from the beginning that just because the majority thinks it\'s a lousy idea, there\'ll still be those stubborn few who WILL HAVE IT THEIR WAY! So I\'m just gonna live with it, even though it still bothers me that you guys are degrading PS this way. I\'ll still RP with you, though.
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OOC: Well we don\'t ask that you agree. We don\'t ask you to change your IC or OOC beliefs for us. We\'re not making anyone change the way they play if they don\'t want to. We don\'t care about refuting your arguments, either. We simply asked to have the same treatment in return. (Nice to see you\'ll still RP with us though Phinehas, that\'s something :) )
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Well, you have to understand that the reason it bothers us OOC is not because we care what you do to yourselves. It\'s because it affects the world that we\'re RPing in, so it affects us as well, you\'re starting a bad trend, and if you can\'t think through it logically, how can you expect other, newer players to?
As for RPing, yes, well I\'m secure enough in my RP to not have to ignore different kinds, even if I don\'t think they\'re appropriate. Besides, Phinehas\' gonna fry all yer butts. :D But you didn\'t hear that from me. ;) Oh, another question, you guys don\'t happen to be particularly weak to fire, do you? How do you feel about Diaboli? Etc. etc.
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Originally posted by Moogie
OOC: Woah. How many posts did I just read that were actually telling us to change what we\'re doing? \"Disband the guild\", \"don\'t RP vampires\" \"act like crazy people instead\". You can\'t just go around TELLING people how to roleplay if it doesn\'t suit you.
Well, you can tell ppl. what and how to RP based on the rules and the setting (which is a part of the rules), because that\'s what they\'re for. If rules weren\'t there to tell ppl. what to do / not do, then they\'d not be rules, but suggestions.
I totally agree with Phineas in that I see PS being damaged by people forcing in things that don\'t belong there and that weren\'t meant to be there for the simple reason that they like these things, or any other reason.
And, as I said on another thread, it really astonishes me to see someone who has been here for so long and who also advocates the very things I stated when it comes to different unfitting concepts, do the exact thing they usually argue against.
I myself like some concepts that aren\'t in PS, but I will not try to force them in.
IMO, vampires in PS are RP only technicly, not actually, as they disregard the setting, which is just as bad RP as 1337ing. You can\'t expect a newbie to adhere to the setting if you don\'t do it yourself. And if you can\'t expect that, there is no use in expecting them to even read the setting at all. This will be climaxing in everyone doing their own thing, while the actual PS world fades away except for the odd reference some NPC might be giving when talking to them.
The general idea of darkhaven isn\'t bad IMO, minus the vampire thing. There will always be those who are forced into the shadows by mainstream society, and also those who voluntarily choose this path, but for reasons that don\'t conflict with the setting.
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*shrugs* Well we don\'t mind taking the rapp for all the other vampires who were here before us. The only reason we get the blame is because we decided to let ourselves be known. We\'re not starting a trend- we\'re just joining it.
\"And, as I said on another thread, it really astonishes me to see someone who has been here for so long and who also advocates the very things I stated when it comes to different unfitting concepts, do the exact thing they usually argue against.\"
I don\'t stop people RPing whatever they want. Anything I argue against that is out-of-setting is things people suggest in the Wishlist that they want to see officially implemented into the game. That\'s when things get changed, that\'s when it affects everyone. RP affects us, people who RP with us, and nothing more than that. I still stand by my belief that officially implementing Vampires into PS would be a bad idea.
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Originally posted by Moogie
I don\'t stop people RPing whatever they want. Anything I argue against that is out-of-setting is things people suggest in the Wishlist that they want to see officially implemented into the game. That\'s when things get changed, that\'s when it affects everyone. RP affects us, people who RP with us, and nothing more than that. I still stand by my belief that officially implementing Vampires into PS would be a bad idea.
I see the difference now. However, I honestly don\'t understand how it can make a difference to you. If I don\'t want something to be officially implemented, then why do I want to do it unofficially? Or the other way: if I want something to be unofficially there, why would I mind it being official? After all, I would already have changed \"my personal PS\" to it, and it would only be advantageous to have it official? (For example, I would immediately stop arguing against vampires if they\'d be officially mentioned somewhere, though I\'ll definitely try to keep them from becoming official.)
I think the \"either official or not at all\" philosophy is of great importance to warrant a consistent world once the playerbase increases beyond ~100.
Therefore, I will stick to things that are implemented or at least mentioned to be existant, and it is my wish that everyone would do that as well, though I don\'t have illusions about the probability of this actually happening.
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Actually this whole vampire business affects me ingame despise if I want it or not. While spending my time in tavern I have to listen about vampires and stuff.
Correct me if I\'m wrong, but talking about things non-existant in PS can be compared to talking about rl stuff, right?
Well either way being forced to listen to it isn\'t very pleasening to me and frankly, doesn\'t help in getting my mind into the world of Yliakum. It is even bigger pity that people whom I could respect for role playing seem to be tought that vampires do exist in Yliakum.
So yeah, if I wasn\'t forced to listen to this I could respect that, but reality proves it different.
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We listened to someone saying he was a Drow back for as long as I can remember... no, wait, there was more than just 1 person, there was a whole group of them. Funny, that.
Seytra: The difference is the impact. A group of people RPing has very little impact. There are absolutely no real advantages or disadvantages to RPing vampires, thus it isn\'t going to be something hundreds of people want to do. Now, compare that to if it was officially implemented, with \'cool skills\' and \'uber vampire textures\' and special skills that only vamps can use etc. You can see that obviously a massive amount of players will become these \'official\' vampires and you\'ll have PS turn into vamp-world. We don\'t want that. We just want to RP.
Draklar: Have you even asked people in the tavern to stop talking about vampires? Is that why you\'re being forced to listen to it, because they flatly refuse? I\'m sure they would respect your wishes if only you voiced them where it mattered, instead of arguing about it in a forum. :)
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Originally posted by Moogie
We listened to someone saying he was a Drow back for as long as I can remember... no, wait, there was more than just 1 person, there was a whole group of them. Funny, that.
There has? Oh dear.
Originally posted by Moogie
Seytra: The difference is the impact. A group of people RPing has very little impact. There are absolutely no real advantages or disadvantages to RPing vampires, thus it isn\'t going to be something hundreds of people want to do. Now, compare that to if it was officially implemented, with \'cool skills\' and \'uber vampire textures\' and special skills that only vamps can use etc. You can see that obviously a massive amount of players will become these \'official\' vampires and you\'ll have PS turn into vamp-world. We don\'t want that. We just want to RP.
Yes, not many people will wish to do that, and I don\'t understand why you do. I can see that being shadowy and whatnot is an interesting concept, but while that by itserf is very possible, I don\'t get why you insist on RPing a vampire in PS, when it conflicts with the setting? As I said, if the word \"vampire\" was mentioned anywhere in the setting (except in a statement like \"vampires don\'t exist\" :) ), I would accept that (though I\'m glad it isn\'t anywhere to be found ;) ). It doesn\'t have to be implemented to be official to me. Kran Infravision isn\'t implemented but it is still official to me, and I don\'t mind anyone RPing that.
Even if it doesn\'t have impact on others, i.e., if you managed to keep it completely secret, wouldn\'t it still affect the world of PS, simply by your group secluding itself from Yliakum life? I know, it\'s a philosophical question, but still.
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It does not conflict with the setting because it is not mentioned anywhere that vampires do or do not exist in PS. Kran Infravision is explicitly stated to be in PS, even if it isn\'t implemented. By you mentioning that, it seems you didn\'t understand my post anyway.
And I\'m sorry you can\'t understand why we want to RP vampires, but I don\'t see why it\'s at all important that you do.
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Originally posted by Moogie
It does not conflict with the setting because it is not mentioned anywhere that vampires do or do not exist in PS. Kran Infravision is explicitly stated to be in PS, even if it isn\'t implemented. By you mentioning that, it seems you didn\'t understand my post anyway.
I think I did, but if I didn\'t, I would obviously not know. Just to be clear on this: if something isn\'t mentioned, this means that it may or may not exist. However, if the remaining setting is very different from it, one can fairly safely assume that it doesn\'t exist, especially if it would substantially alter the setting. This is the case here IMO.
Originally posted by Moogie
And I\'m sorry you can\'t understand why we want to RP vampires, but I don\'t see why it\'s at all important that you do.
To me, it actually was of some importance to know what your reasons are. Obviously it doesn\'t have to matter to you, and I\'ll leave it at that, at least for now, especially as this thread is meant to be IC since it was moved here from the Guilds section. You have been very informative anyway.
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Originally posted by Seytra
one can fairly safely assume that it doesn\'t exist.
one can assume, not all :)
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*Sigh* No one is saying \"We vampires, we l33t cool imortal pwnzor the rest of you\" ^^
Your right vampires stay in hiding and secret but for the sake of starting some RP, it was announced so people know its out there :P
(Vampires can exist anywhere!)
\"The blood is the life,\" says Bela Lugosi\'s Dracula (a phrase originally found in the Bible); later adding, \"to die, to be really dead -- that must be glorious.\" And it is this ancient issue of life and death and blood that explains the antiquity of the vampire myth as well. For the first vampire was not Count Dracula. The first vampires had their origins in the centuries long before Christ, who in modern times is the ultimate adversary of the ostensibly Satanic vampire -- remember, the vampire shrinks before the sacred cross.
The vampire legend dates back to the earliest times of human civilization to the Assyrians, the Babylonians, and other peoples of the ancient Orient. The original vampire was not like the sophisticated, suave European aristocrat that we know of today. The vampire, at its origins, was a monster.
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References to vampires can be found in many lands, and some scholars believe this indicates that the vampire story developed independently in these various lands and was not passed from one to the other. Such an independently occurring folktale is curious indeed.
References to vampires can be found among the ancient civilizations of the Mediterranean such as Egypt, Greece and Rome. The ancient Greeks believed in the strigoe or lamiae, who were monsters who ate children and drank their blood. Lamia, as the mythology goes, was the lover of Zeus; but Zeus\' wife, Hera, fought against her. Lamia was driven insane, and she killed her own offspring. At night, it was said, she hunted other human children to kill as well.
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Vampire tales occurred in ancient China, where the monsters were called kiang shi. In ancient India and Nepal, as well, vampires may have existed -- at least in legend. Ancient paintings on the walls of caves depict blood drinking creatures; the Nepalese \"Lord of Death\" is depicted holding a blood-filled goblet in the form of a human skull standing in a pool of blood. Some of these wall paintings are as old as 3000 B.C., it is believed. Rakshasas are described in the ancient Indian holy writings called the Vedas. These writings (circa 1500 B.C.) depict the Rakshasas (or destroyers) as vampires. There is also a monster in ancient India\'s lore which hangs from a tree upside-down, not unlike a bat, and is devoid of its own blood. This creature, called Baital, is in legend a vampire.
http://www.parascope.com/en/articles/vampires01.htm
I find this very informative to say the least and it helps to somewhat prove the idea that in no matter what setting Vampire lore has existed. So why is it such a problem to exist in PlaneShift...it isn\'t! No deathrealm or anything can make it not be right to exist, fantasy abides by no reality..so why should it suddenly now?
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*Seperot dives in attacks the vampires with a dose of vengisum*
we\'re not going to have vampires
*Seperot backflips out a nearby window*
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*Drumeth shapeshifts and then crashes thru the wall after Seperot intending to impale him on one of his large claws*
*Hatchnet shakes his head and wonders if any of the disbelivers realise that just about anything could come thru the portals in the stone laberanths*
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I think we\'ve already established that Vampires won\'t be officially in PS. Now that you\'ve heard it from an admin you can go do something else than bug people about how they RP. :)
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Depthblade: Again, all those references were from RL. This is a fantasy setting in a seperate universe which is governed by completely different rules.
Seperot: Shut up.
Everyone Else: Shut Up. This is the RP Forums if you\'re not here to rp in this thread then do not post here. There is a flaming/bashing/being a completely dumbass thread in Hydlaa. Go there.
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Nobody seems interesting in RPing on this thread anymore, so to prevent further pointless arguing, *locked*. Remember to visit the Darkhaven site (http://www.albinomoogie.net/darkhaven) for current lists of people involved in this RP so you can find us. Anyone else wishing to join will need to speak to us ingame. :) Have fun!