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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: Gilibran on February 13, 2005, 01:10:10 am
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spend the whole day recovering files because my computer crashed this morning while i was doing A back-up 8o 8o Go&*^%DA*n7^
It would\'nt even start up in safe mode there was\'nt a harddisk according to microsuck??? , i spend the whole f***ing day typing prompts and running install cd and hardware install diskettes to get some of the files back and finaly was able to start it up in safe mode and back-up pfeww what a releave. Next thing tough I was\'nt able to Format? would you freakin believe it. I could\'nt format it would\'nt accept the command. Well i had to almost take it apart and delete partitions and god knows what more.
And now finally I reinstalled microsuck XP home, reinstalled and updated everything, I tought and now for some PS. Not :( :( it updates perfectly, it launches but i get a : crystalspace.sound.driver.waveout: waveout open:0000000002 Bad device error?
And also a error message on the PS.setup.exe when trying to open it??
and the server isn\'t reachable
Ahh hell it just ain\'t my day i guess
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This really does suck. To make yourself feel better, try reading the Mac threads. We were in h--l for weeks.
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And now finally I reinstalled microsuck XP home, reinstalled and updated everything, I tought and now for some PS. Not :( :( it updates perfectly, it launches but i get a : crystalspace.sound.driver.waveout: waveout open:0000000002 Bad device error?
well, why did you not take the chance and installed linux? http://www.gentoo.org for example. PS wont run either (well maybe now, just getting the art) but at least you would have an os that works.
*scnr ;)
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Argh! A fellow pirate I see my matey. I share your frustration at windows and hopefully imagine the day when favorite software (mostly games as for most other software there are alternatives) will not keep me one bit attached. As it is right now I am running Linux and Windows but have to keep Windows around for certain programs :(
But do not despare as the world is becoming more Linux friendly every day as they see the light. We shall win this revolution!
[Edit] A pirate my friends because that age old expression of pirates, argh ;) [/Edit]
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Bah, just get linux, and use wine and cedega for your windows apps :) If you really need windows then run it through VMware Workstation in linux.
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What makes him a pirate kwip? I would go with mandrake or fedora for a first linux distro. safety steps if you are caught on windows: 1. STOP, 2. Uninstall, 3. Install linux distro of choice :)
Note: Linux is more stable and easier to fix too! :)
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linux=good
windows=stuff of nightmares(well mine anyways...o_O)
nuf said....
-Tarach
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Originally posted by Gilibran
i get a : crystalspace.sound.driver.waveout: waveout open:0000000002 Bad device error?
:D ;) Well asshole you completely forgot to run the driver CD 8o
gilibran runs away in shame :rolleyes:
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linux=good
windows=stuff of nightmares(well mine anyways...o_O)
nuf said....
Windows = put the cd in your computer. There is your OS. yay.
linux = put the cd in, organise a mount point and partition your hard drive, specify what monitor you are using and get the drivers for it, do the same for your cd/dvd drive and any phericals you want to use (ha! if they\'re going to work) then learn how to use command line linux (before realising it has a GUI) then download some other app to run all your programs because they all run on windows in the first place. But once you\'ve done all that, yeah its alot better. Its just getting there thats a pain.
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Originally posted by Gilibran
spend the whole day recovering files because my computer crashed this morning while i was doing A back-up 8o 8o Go&*^%DA*n7^
Ahh hell it just ain\'t my day i guess
The most important thing you did already: Yelling. It really helps. Sometimes I\'ve got the impression, even my computer gets frightened when I yell at him (not that he works any better when he is frightened, that is).
You surely checked your HDD for defects, now did you? You know, clacking sounds, entries in your event-log about or such?
OF COURSE you did. Never mind me asking.... :)
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Windows = put the cd in your computer. There is your OS. yay.
oh, unexpected error EA1299BCD - ehm uhm, ya hell, what shall i do know? i ask on the micro$oft support forum. oh, i dont have a platinum-ultra-support contract, the advisor tells me: contact your local micro$oft support. okay than, i phone the local support, it costs only 2$/minute. the solution i am given: install XP service pack 2. darn, i have it already installed. then try formating your harddrive and install windows XP incl. service pack 2 again. if this still not helps, you can buy a beta version of windows palladium for only 800$ - well, your application may still not run, but isnt it great to have a new windoze?
linux = put the cd in, organise a mount point and partition your hard drive, specify what monitor you are using and get the drivers for it, do the same for your cd/dvd drive and any phericals you want to use (ha! if they\'re going to work) then learn how to use command line linux (before realising it has a GUI) then download some other app to run all your programs because they all run on windows in the first place. But once you\'ve done all that, yeah its alot better. Its just getting there thats a pain.
truly, this explaination comes directly from the micro$oft propaganda ministery. here is what a linux user says:
linux = put the cd in, mount it on /mnt/cdrom - where all cd\'s are mounted. start ./install.sh
does not work? go to http://www.opensourcerules.org/helpforum.php and ask your question, or join the help channel on irc.wehelpyou.org - within 2 minutes you have your solution.
*scnr ;)
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Windows = put the cd in your computer. There is your OS. yay.
oh, unexpected error EA1299BCD - ehm uhm, ya hell, what shall i do know? i ask on the micro$oft support forum. oh, i dont have a platinum-ultra-support contract, the advisor tells me: contact your local micro$oft support. okay than, i phone the local support, it costs only 2$/minute. the solution i am given: install XP service pack 2. darn, i have it already installed. then try formating your harddrive and install windows XP incl. service pack 2 again. if this still not helps, you can buy a beta version of windows palladium for only 800$ - well, your application may still not run, but isnt it great to have a new windoze?
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linux = put the cd in, organise a mount point and partition your hard drive, specify what monitor you are using and get the drivers for it, do the same for your cd/dvd drive and any phericals you want to use (ha! if they\'re going to work) then learn how to use command line linux (before realising it has a GUI) then download some other app to run all your programs because they all run on windows in the first place. But once you\'ve done all that, yeah its alot better. Its just getting there thats a pain.
truly, this explaination comes directly from the micro$oft propaganda ministery. here is what a linux user says:
linux = put the cd in, mount it on /mnt/cdrom - where all cd\'s are mounted. start ./install.sh
does not work? go to http://www.opensourcerules.org/helpforum.php and ask your question, or join the help channel on irc.wehelpyou.org - within 2 minutes you have your solution.
*scnr
(everything above here is a quote)
like i said before nuf said
and as to the response below I DO have a life and linux is reletively simple to set up especially since there is an open and very helpful community around it(just look around for a bit and youll find a forum or a site dedicated to linux)
ps:Microsoft=bringer of death to my pc
-Tarach
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oh, unexpected error EA1299BCD - ehm uhm, ya hell, what shall i do know? i ask on the micro$oft support forum. oh, i dont have a platinum-ultra-support contract, the advisor tells me: contact your local micro$oft support. okay than, i phone the local support, it costs only 2$/minute. the solution i am given: install XP service pack 2. darn, i have it already installed. then try formating your harddrive and install windows XP incl. service pack 2 again. if this still not helps, you can buy a beta version of windows palladium for only 800$ - well, your application may still not run, but isnt it great to have a new windoze?
Well i\'ve never had any problems installing windows. If you cant even install windows XP, then in all honesty you have serious issues :P
truly, this explaination comes directly from the micro$oft propaganda ministery. here is what a linux user says:
linux = put the cd in, mount it on /mnt/cdrom - where all cd\'s are mounted. start ./install.sh
does not work? go to http://www.opensourcerules.org/helpforum.php and ask your question, or join the help channel on irc.wehelpyou.org - within 2 minutes you have your solution.
Yes, what a linux user says- note the difference between linux user and general public. Noteablly about 50 IQ points, lack of a real life and a very good grasp of how to do things with computers. FYI i dont know alot about mount points, and i didnt know what exact model monitor i was running or cd/dvd drive. I\'d count myself as pretty computer literate, but not in that area of expertise. If linux was as simple as windows, i would install it ASAP, but im not going to risk blowing out my monitor because i chose the wrong driver and its sending invalid input to it. Im not saying linux sucks, im sure once you\'ve set it up its alot better, but saying its as simple / easier to install than windows is
1) Distorted by the fact you are very competent with computers and
2) wrong.
And lastely, microsoft propoganda ministry? Just as much as you\'re from the naive linux zealots group. I dont like mircosoft, but i keep an air of objectivity when i attack them instead of just attacking them for the sake of it.
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Well when a Linux GUI doesn\'t let you do what you need.. you exit the GUI and use the base text mode yes?
When windows doesn\'t work properly you whine (if you are a linux or mac zealot cult junkie and say \"aha! i knew windows was inferiour to my god/cult leader Linus Torvalds/Steven Jobs!\" )
But factoring windows is DOS\'s FRIGGING GUI!! windows in and of its self isn\'t a os... idiots XD its just the shell/gui of DOS learn dos and 99% of your windows problems vanish into thin air :O wow imagine that! learning something aside from the kiddy gui actualy helps you.. go figure! (that was for all those who say windows is vastly inferior due to not having more stability and whatnot.. just becuase you didnt take the time to learn the non GUI microsoft isn\'t microsofts fault.. its yours) Not to say DOS is the magic potion of fixing your problems mind you... but when you study hardware and know what those exceptions mean and couple it with DOS then you can repair basicly anything that can happen in windows/DOS (barring that really freaky crap that needs a team of 40 year old geek gods to fix O.o)
Windows Exceptions = Linux Dependancies each OS has its little something.. you\'d have just as much trouble with linux as you would with MS (if you know how to use MS.. most people dont truely do)... the linux brainwashed-zombies say they never have problems.. but they have just as many as anybody else
and microsoft tech support has been more then helpful to me.. hasnt offerend me \"OMG win0z3 mega super cool version 6.7 lolol\" and hasn\'t said i needed a \"platinum mega subscription\" only thing i have EVER been asked for is my windows serial (to make sure i actualy own windows) so try actualy using a OS and thier tech support before bashing it (though i rarely use the tech support i can fix my own problems.. i do call now and again for an exception i\'ve never seen before)
~au revoir
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valid points all however there are some issues your not looking into here...the main reason i HATE windows is the security issues...hell if i have a computer app problrm and i cant fix it its my own damn fault and id better ASK for help.
(keyword ASK be nice about it and dont DEMAND help also your right windows tech support is...decent...ill not say its fantastic but it usually gets the job done)
regards
-Tarach
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Granted on windows security.. they make a fine OS (dos) and a descent GUI for it (windows) but thier software for said os/gui isn\'t very safe... if you get windows and use other programs fo the e-mail, web browsing, FTP, web development and get a good firewall (kerio is a great one) your actualy quite safe
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FYI i dont know alot about mount points, and i didnt know what exact model monitor i was running or cd/dvd drive. I\'d count myself as pretty computer literate, but not in that area of expertise. If linux was as simple as windows, i would install it ASAP, but im not going to risk blowing out my monitor because i chose the wrong driver and its sending invalid input to it. Im not saying linux sucks, im sure once you\'ve set it up its alot better, but saying its as simple / easier to install than windows is
1) Distorted by the fact you are very competent with computers and
2) wrong.
correct me if im wrong, but humans do not have a micro$oft gene build in right now - or do thay? i have to update my biology teacher...
seriously, even how windoze works has to be learned. you did not know from birth how to install a driver - nor that you need one at all - how to probably run regedit.exe or setup your screen resolution in the control panel. you had to learn this all as i had to learn what a mountpoint is, or how to start xf86config.
and, the times are over where you could blew your monitor with a wrong setting. not speaking about gentoo, there you make everything at our own (because you want it so) but looking at suse, redhat and the like, there is really no big difference anymore to setup a windoze system. and, it IS easier. my dad - sick after 2 years of using windoze - got a suse 9.2 from me for christmas. he is definitely no pc genius, but interrested, yes. he was able to install everything on its own, set te graphics settings, install additional programs and setup adsl, email. and you know what? after he was finished with installing suse, all devices where configured, even the TV card - he did not have to install one single driver for anything. how much simplier can it be?
now here\'s a quote from a recent call i had with my mother (she uses dos/windoze since 1992):
mom: hello son, can you help me? my firewall does not start
me: yeah so right click on the icon and say start
mom: i tried that, but it says that i have not the right installation medium choosen
me: ehm, so deinstall it and try again
mom: okay, just wait.....
mom: it says it cannot find the installation medium, can we go to netmeeting and you fix it?
me: ehm sorry mom, im quite busy in two irc chats right now, let us do it later
.... some talk about life in general.....
mom: hey son you know what? i dont know why, but the firewall has started now when i tried to open iexplorer. its a miracle, i wanted to deinstall it and now its working....
me: sighs reliefed....
well, you see this is how it is with windoze - either it works, or it doesnt. if it does not work, a \'normal\' user as you call them has no chance to fix it. why? because micro$oft never wanted you to fix anything. that is different with linux. yes, you need to know something about your OS, but in reward, a \'normal\' linux user can fix most of the problems on it\'s own.
And lastely, microsoft propoganda ministry? Just as much as you\'re from the naive linux zealots group. I dont like mircosoft, but i keep an air of objectivity when i attack them instead of just attacking them for the sake of it.
no, your words sounded exactly like coming from micro$oft. don believe me? well, here\'s a link to a document micro$oft has sent do his partners, unfortunately i have it only in german, maybe you find someone to translate it or google for \'linux partner brosch\':
http://plexus.shacknet.nu/plexus.php?section=ebookz&down=linux_partner_brosch.pdf
i did not ment to offend you, but you used the same type of exaggeration about how hard it is to use linux like im used to hear it from micro$oft.
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Originally posted by Foresteer
Well when a Linux GUI doesn\'t let you do what you need.. you exit the GUI and use the base text mode yes?
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idiots XD its just the shell/gui of DOS learn dos and 99% of your windows problems vanish into thin air
how much does this help you if the graphic driver does not work or \"KEY: blablabla cannot be found in registry\"?
with win95 you where maybe right, but todays windoze problems have mostly todo with the gui, windoze so to call. dos can save you nothing, most \'administration tools\' you need are not running in dos (\"this programm cannot be run in dos mode....\" - sounds familiar?\")
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no, your words sounded exactly like coming from micro$oft. don believe me? well, here\'s a link to a document micro$oft has sent do his partners, unfortunately i have it only in german, maybe you find someone to translate it or google for \'linux partner brosch\':
http://plexus.shacknet.nu/plexus.php?sec...tner_brosch.pdf
i did not ment to offend you, but you used the same type of exaggeration about how hard it is to use linux like im used to hear it from micro$oft.
Well you use the exaggeration about how stupid windows is and hard much it crashes that im used to hearing from a linux zealot. Oh wait, thats right, you are one. Seriously, i dont work for microsoft (lmao oxymoron- work for microsoft heh heh) but i just get pissed when people bag them for no reason. Ok they make a whole lot of bad products but they\'re not that bad.
Um i dont speak german, and trust me i dont think a translation will do any good, going by google translator or babelfish (try putting a sentence in english, translate it to german and then back again, and you\'ll see what i mean :P). Im sure Microsoft do exaggerate how much effort linux is, just like linux exagerate how bad windows is. Thats because they\'re opposed to one another. Tell me with a straight face that linux people\'s dont exagerate how easy linux is and how much of a pain windows is, and ill tell you with a straight face that windows ME is a good o/s.
seriously, even how windoze works has to be learned. you did not know from birth how to install a driver - nor that you need one at all - how to probably run regedit.exe or setup your screen resolution in the control panel. you had to learn this all as i had to learn what a mountpoint is, or how to start xf86config.
Yes but it\'s all there. You goto help and say \"change screen resolution\" and it says ok goto control panel and do this and yardy yarder. When you\'re installing linux it dosnt tell you how to use mount points and what not or which screen your using. Ok, you can go to an internet forum but thats not much help if i\'ve formatted my computer is it? Im talking from my own experience with linux here. Ok, if i spent quite a few hours reading up on the subject and going to forums and boards and discussing it then I could have figured it out, but guess what? I dont have the time to do that, nor do i want to. Win XP says hey, we know what monitor your using and all your hardware, you just click next next next next next. OK windows crashes a bit- meh. So shoot me. When i get around to figuring out linux and mount points, ill give it a try, and im sure ill transform into a linux zealot boasting how much better my life is, but win xp does me fine for now.
well, you see this is how it is with windoze - either it works, or it doesnt. if it does not work, a \'normal\' user as you call them has no chance to fix it. why? because micro$oft never wanted you to fix anything. that is different with linux. yes, you need to know something about your OS, but in reward, a \'normal\' linux user can fix most of the problems on it\'s own.
Wow, it either works or it dosnt- amazing powers of deduction. FYI, ive never had a windows error i cant fix. I get a crash maybe once every..... meh 5 days? So i just go back into the program and it works. Thats the trade off i pay for not having to worry about screen drivers and mount points and partitioning my hard drive and making sure i have linux versions of everything and getting used to a different word editor etc etc. I dont doubt that linux overall once installed is a better o/s- but for me, and i suspect a large portion of everyday users, the benifits just arnt great enough to justify a change. Theres a reason why windows has over 90% of the maket- because its simple. And in a world of idiots, thats what gets you 90% of the market.
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Im sure Microsoft do exaggerate how much effort linux is, just like linux exagerate how bad windows is. Thats because they\'re opposed to one another.
not quite - you are right, it may sound to people not as \'religious\' as i am in this point like an exageration when i speak about micro$oft - and windoze in particular - about beeing bad. the reason i call micro$oft bad, is that they are closed-source, and money driven (thats why i spell the \'s\' in micro$oft with a dollar, in case you didnt notice). that in mind i will find thousands of points to argue why windoze is bad. i admit that, im spoiled, im a fanatic, i simply hate micro$oft for the fact that they make software not to help people but themself.
alright, i think i explained know why i will never admit that there is a good point in windoze ;)
Tell me with a straight face that linux people\'s dont exagerate how easy linux is and how much of a pain windows is, and ill tell you with a straight face that windows ME is a good o/s.
*miLosh makes a straight face and says: linux people tell others that linux is easy and windoze is a big big pain - for they are right
truly, i do not like much to work with suse for myself, but i was quite impressed to see how simple the installation is meanwhile. put the cd in, choose what type of system you want to have (multimedia, developing, gaming, all together) and 2 hours later you have the system ready. you do NOT need to install any driver or configure them - you do NOT need even to open the buildin help system (which is by far more useful than the one on windoze, sorry) and you do NOT need to mount your cd\'s manually. this times are over, as for suse, linux is getting more userfriendly that i could ever imagine 8 years ago when i started with it.
but, i have to admit, this works only with more or less well known hardware. if you use some exotic piece of hw, you do need to know how to compile a driver by hand. yes, that sucks. but whom to blame for it, linux? or maybe the hardware manufacturer who has an exclusive contract with micro$oft and do not want to publish drivers for linux? you will blame linux maybe, but the linux community is doing a great work in reverse-engineering even the most exotic hardware to have it run on tux - i admire that.
Yes but it\'s all there. You goto help and say \"change screen resolution\" and it says ok goto control panel and do this and yardy yarder. When you\'re installing linux it dosnt tell you how to use mount points and what not or which screen your using.
you really need to update yourself about the actual state of modern linux distributions. go and get yourself a suse live cd, you will never have to choose a mountpoint if you do not want to. and the (online) help system is at least as good as on windoze, i find it even more usefull for it helps me also if i have problems with a particular piece of hardware - sure windoze help can help you here?
Win XP says hey, we know what monitor your using and all your hardware, you just click next next next next next. OK windows crashes a bit- meh. So shoot me. When i get around to figuring out linux and mount points, ill give it a try, and im sure ill transform into a linux zealot boasting how much better my life is, but win xp does me fine for now.
as i said, modern distributions know as much of your system as windoze does, only that the distributions do not send this information to their manufacturer ;)
Theres a reason why windows has over 90% of the maket- because its simple. And in a world of idiots, thats what gets you 90% of the market.
i doubt that. the reason is, micro$oft has a hell lot of money, can run big advertisments and buy every software company they like to have it develope windoze only software. and this is the main reason why my mother did not change to linux. everytime i tell her: well, if you do not want this error, change to linux - she answers me: i would like to, but all my software is running on windoze.
as for wordprocessors, openoffice is at least as good as office xp - though not yet as stable (but it will be, even more) - and differs not much from it. you can even edit .doc files. as for other software broadly used on windoze (no, not solitare) it looks different. as long as they do not start to port their software to linux, linux will always be called a \'freak\' system.
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you really need to update yourself about the actual state of modern linux distributions. go and get yourself a suse live cd, you will never have to choose a mountpoint if you do not want to. and the (online) help system is at least as good as on windoze, i find it even more usefull for it helps me also if i have problems with a particular piece of hardware - sure windoze help can help you here?
I tried installing um lindows i think it was (they\'re called linspire now to stop getting sued) so perhaps i should try again with a more friendly, up to date linux distro. But at the moment i cant see myself downloading the 1 gig or so, since i only had 128 ADSL. Ill do it eventually, but meh~
Oh and have you updated yourself with the windows distributions? Cause if you\'re basing your knowledge on something like ME, and im talking about XP, well theres your problem lol.
but, i have to admit, this works only with more or less well known hardware. if you use some exotic piece of hw, you do need to know how to compile a driver by hand. yes, that sucks. but whom to blame for it, linux? or maybe the hardware manufacturer who has an exclusive contract with micro$oft and do not want to publish drivers for linux? you will blame linux maybe, but the linux community is doing a great work in reverse-engineering even the most exotic hardware to have it run on tux - i admire that.
Most probablly true, but meh? Im a computer user, not a corporate activist. Im not going to boycott windows because of their shoddy practicies with hardware manufactures. 90% of the population dont care why it dosnt work- the fact remains it dosnt. But im sure as you said it will get better as the work progresses. I admire them for their work, but my admiration dosnt make my computer work unfortunatly.
as for wordprocessors, openoffice is at least as good as office xp - though not yet as stable (but it will be, even more) - and differs not much from it. you can even edit .doc files. as for other software broadly used on windoze (no, not solitare) it looks different. as long as they do not start to port their software to linux, linux will always be called a \'freak\' system.
Dude, even i could make a good word processor. Just gimme delphi any version and a week. Truth be told, i use notepad for most of my work. Thing about word is, im used to it. Im sure openoffice can do everythig word can do, but it\'s just a bit annoying to go through the familiarisation process again.
i doubt that. the reason is, micro$oft has a hell lot of money, can run big advertisments and buy every software company they like to have it develope windoze only software. and this is the main reason why my mother did not change to linux. everytime i tell her: well, if you do not want this error, change to linux - she answers me: i would like to, but all my software is running on windoze.
Yeah, that and its simple. Oh, did i mention its simple? Microsoft didnt start out with a stack of money, it got the stack of money by making simple o/s for stupid people. Now it\'s just more effective because they make simple os for stupid people and run huge ads about it and pressure software and hardware companies to comply.
*miLosh makes a straight face and says: linux people tell others that linux is easy and windoze is a big big pain - for they are right
*ramlambmoo makes a straight face....: Windows ME is ..ummmm.. its ARGH I CANT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It goes against all logical, ethical and religious ideals that i have. Besides, i said tell me that linux people dont exagerate the truth. They are right,- to a degree.
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unfortunately you are right in most points, there are not much people around who care about \'computer ethics\' so to say and they wont change to linux as long as companies do not start to make software and drivers for linux.
fortunately, companies like suse, err. novel and redhat are working hard to achieve this goal and i am pretty confident that some day linux will reach a state of popularity as windoze does today and will be usable too by the remaining \'90%\' ;)
the thing about openoffice is, that they forked from staroffice some 3-4 years ago and its not only the word processor, its a full suite as officexp is. the most unstable part of it to me is the spreadsheet program (->excel) for if you click on the wrong point, it crashes. i only can hope that this will change soon.
and you are wrong, micro$oft did not get rich by making a very easy OS - apple had a GUI OS long before bill did even dream about windoze. its the simple fact that he was the first to make an OS not bound to a specific hardware model, but usuable by any so-called IBM-compatible pc. yes, that was a masterpiece he alone achieved, no doubt with that. pity only, that even before he bought dos from ibm for 50k $ he was fanatic against opensource - there\'s a movie called \'OS Revolution\' explaining pretty well that fact. bill did always deal with software only for one purpose: to make him incredible rich....
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Originally posted by miLosh
Originally posted by Foresteer
Well when a Linux GUI doesn\'t let you do what you need.. you exit the GUI and use the base text mode yes?
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idiots XD its just the shell/gui of DOS learn dos and 99% of your windows problems vanish into thin air
how much does this help you if the graphic driver does not work or \"KEY: blablabla cannot be found in registry\"?
with win95 you where maybe right, but todays windoze problems have mostly todo with the gui, windoze so to call. dos can save you nothing, most \'administration tools\' you need are not running in dos (\"this programm cannot be run in dos mode....\" - sounds familiar?\")
thats because they have DOS counterparts that dont need graphics :)
most of your windows myths that your \"linux clutists bible\" is built on are relics of win95/ME (98 was actualy pretty ok) and dont apply today.. so sorry try again! lets go to our next contestent :D
i mean i COULD use linux if i felt... but why would i want to? the only thing i ever use my PC for is gaming, emulation and the occasion mp3 (yeah i said it you RIAA corporate whores!! \\o/ )
On gaming linux offers me nothing.. or at least nothing that windows doesnt have only better or the same without having to \"ok open emulation using code mount at using ... not working? did you install , , , and ? this game has those dependancies you know... jeez this is so simple is it not?! how can windows people and everybody not get it?!\" soo :P Basicaly linux is like early chemistry.. you had to remeber every chemical and how it reacted to every other chemical on memory.. same with linux dependancies.. you have to remeber each of them, what needs them (and since every script kiddy in the nation/world feels they become \"3l33t\" by writing a linux code that list grows daily) and how each dependancey reacts to another dependancy
i mean like i said i have the techincal and other knowledge to use linux. but why would i want to? only emulation has a FEW linux counter parts... so for me linux is just a novelty OS :/ a trinket just in the name of open sorce (which is cool.. but offers (almost) nothing to anybody who does code to an insane degree develop seriously big stuff that needs such a technical OS or just use a browser)
now i only have a descent understanding of linux so correct anything you feel i have said wrong
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thats because they have DOS counterparts that dont need graphics :)
i would really like to know how you edit the registry within dos - with edit?
On gaming linux offers me nothing..
well, our beloved planeshift runs on linux? hehe
but i got your point and you are right. for closed-source games linux is not the OS to use for one can hardly find a game which runs nativly on linux. again, whom to blame for? there are companies who port there games to linux, like untreal tournament (cant think of the name of the company) because they understand that this is what linux needs.
yes, i do play also alot of games and i do boot windoze for exactly the same reason as you do. but i do not play all the time, i have a network to care about (all linux/unix), i program, surf in the internet, am quite a time in irc and so on. i do this all on linux, windoze is just booted if i could not resist and got a closed-source game not running on linux.
i mean like i said i have the techincal and other knowledge to use linux. but why would i want to?
if you have the technical knowledge, than exactly this could be one reason to run linux - for it lets you know your system, something very important to me, what bill gates do not want you to. concerning the whole TCPA/TCG shit he said: future systems running windoze will be like another machine in the users multimedia park, we do not want to have them thinker around the system.
in plain words: your future windoze will be nothing more than an XBox with wordprocessor.
i mentioned what i am doing on linux. i seldom dare to go to the internet on windoze, for i do not have any avir programm nor firewall installed on it - i do not want to be dragged in the \'cyber-paranoia\'. so, security is a big issue, i hope you do not argue on that point with me. stability is another one, memory management the next point, windoze lacks a proper memory management, it has not the multitasking abilities im used from linux and it has a lack of network capatibilities. if i need an ftp client i have to download it, if i need an irc client i have to download it, tools like nmap and so on need an additional socket driver to be installed and so on and on and on....
so to me, there are plenty of reasons for using linux and only one for using windoze ;)
and yes, it gives me a good feeling to use an opensource OS rather than a closed-source blackbox.
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actualy i believs its regedit.exe XD but its been a while since i have had to do that from dos so it may have changed (i spent 6 months just in dos trying to fix this totaly fried nuked win 95 system given to me O.O... how somebody could screw widows and CMOS up that bad i\'ll never know)
True about the black box.. i am very unpleased in the direction windows is taking... bill gates just used to be one of the nerds.. but now hes gone all corporate like the MPAA/RIAA, gas companies etc. :/ i\'d still use windows 98 or hell even 3.11 if i could :)
I do honestly hope linux gets better... and perhaps less complex... because i like doing technical things... but not every time i open a wordprocessor \"ok now to open the porcessor partition drive C:\\ run C++ write and compile a word processor mount in make new directories debug defragment recreate file system to accomidate new progam and run! its that simple :D\" so i like linux for beng so technical.. but i hate it for being so technical ALL the time XD at least the last release i used was :/
and PS isn\'t enough to make me use linux as gaming im sorry :P its not even a whole game yet (someday!)
EDIT: the thing i like about windows is its a simple or complex as you want it to be :) (most of the time) you can change and tweak and ramp up the technicality of it or just KISS :P
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as i said earlier the main reason i prefer linux over windows is because of security issues(which btw you agreed with me on)
i mean sure if you use firefox/mozilla (respectively as they are different despite both being made by mozilla) as your browser get a decent antispayware prgrm and a good anti virus protection program(are they protecting against anti viral tools? sry had to say tht :D ) and have a good firewall your in ALMOST as good of shape as if you were using linux but the thing is(though you should have all of these despite the price) they are EXPENSIVE(except for firefox/mozilla and anti spyware programs such as ad-aware se and spyware search and destroy)
i mean Nortan anti virus is how-much?
the only halfway decent free firewall (that ive found) is zonealarm and its still a pain in the ass....(unless of course you go for zone-alarm PRO only how many dollars extra)
and the newest version of xp is freaking expensive(not to mention the amount of memorey it takes up nor my various other quibbles with it)
im just sixteen i cant afford all that crap(i spend all the time during which i should be loooking for a job playing games (like Planeshift:D)
i run sytems with linux and with windows(the later only because i game so much) and i personally have found windows lacking a great deal in the security department...unless that is you actually have money in your wallet :rolleyes:
sorry if im ranting again
regards
-Tarach
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one word... kerio :) beat norton hands down.. and just get an IP blackholer.. windows or not they cant even see you IP.. much less connect to it and if they cant connect then they cant do squat.. natively without tools though windows is a horrible excuse when it come to security.. but it can be locked down VERY tightwith the right tools and know how (blackholer stops IP scans from seeing you.. you are a \"black hole\" on the inernet.. pings go in and never come out :P and kerio keeps a list of ALL connections even the sites you go to! and whenever your browser comes up or a pop up it asks if you wan to allow block or ban from connecting forever :D so its a good 1-2 ounch on security)
zone alarm is kiddy crap i took me a re-format to finaly get it off my system for good XD
security can be free and easy.. like all web hunting you have to invest time (finding the good free stuff) instead of money for the free stuff ;)
EDIT: i will grant most linux users (as most of them are younger it seems) Windows is like the fighting game genre.. if you wherent there at the start then its hard to become \"l33t\" at it i have been fiddling about with microsoft since 3.1 and dos 5.2.. so for somebody without all the experience many of the errors seem insurmountable and changing OS seems like the only way.. but to you that error which is undefeatable is to the older windows users old hat.. so just like in fighting games you gotta pick up the oldest one you can find and practice from there :P (seriously soul caliber owned me until i played street fighter for a few years.. then i breezed through it XD ) however learning and owning multiple OSs is a good thing... just dont get to caught up in one over the other.. windows is the all around.. good at everything.. though not as good at certian things as other OS (linux has windows beat at the hardcore coding tools.. MAC has the graphics tools.. windows has stuff almost as good, but still no contest)
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Ack! I can\'t believe I forgot the most important rules of online conduct in a mutliplatform environment, never mention Windows, or Microsoft, in the same sentence/paragraph/post/thread as Linux XD
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Originally posted by Kwip
Ack! I can\'t believe I forgot the most important rules of online conduct in a mutliplatform environment, never mention Windows, or Microsoft, in the same sentence/paragraph/post/thread as Linux XD
Hell its usualy not safe to mention them on the same forum.. PS forums being the only exception to the rule so far (and the only forum where the thread wound itself down in a educational civil way where people learned something.. normaly windows v. lnux ends in both parties going \"w3 r0xx0rz j00 suck0rz!!\" and leaving more fanatical then before)
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which is better...depends who you are.
i like linux....it\'s no gaming machine....but for programming..exploring and expanding knowledge of how computer works it\'s great
my dad uses his comp for AutoCad.... linux fails to provide any decent alternative...and installing linux just run wine to run AutoCad is just bizzare and stupid....so ofcourse i am going to advise my dad to stay with windows...
my mum uses comp mostly for internet....and linux would be just a bit too confusing...cause it offers too many options...so i advise her to stick to windows
bottom line is if you are a computer enthusisast....get linux....if you are a computer user...who is not sure what a driver is ...and don\'t know what compiling is...what libraries are......and frankly don\'t want to know cause you have more important stuff in your life....then stick to windows.
i like linux ....but i am a bit annoyed by religousness of its users...they are fanatical.... a lot of them iconize Linus.... which is just weird. If some tells me \"I\'ve been with Windows for 10 years and i am happy\"...i would say \"I am glad\"... i wouldn\'t scream \"How can you say that ...windoze suck...get linux\" If the system satsfies the users needs then it is a good system.
Windowse is less secure cause of following things:
1. It gets attacked more, hackers when they discover a bug windwos will exploit it, while once they find a bug linux, will try to correct it... In they minds their are hurting Bill Gates (who pretty much doesn\'t give a rats ass about it), in reality they are making life difficult for a lot of common people.
2. Most of linux users know how to use linux properly...they know when to log on as root when not...how to organize software, cause most of linux users are computer enthusiasts and they care about this stuff. A lot of Windows users are computer illiterate..and use the system carelessly...if you gave those people to use linux...they would mess it up.
3. Open source does lend itself to more frequent security updates... once again it\'s the users responsibility to stay current.
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Yup i can agree.. but can linux play retro 90\'s hentai dating sims? didn\'t think so.. and as long as japan makes its software for MS i am behind the window for a long time :P i actualy have a triple boot system (one 20GB and one 40GB harddrive one drive dual boots red hat 7.2 and windows XP the other runs windows 98.. each partition is 20GB)
on a side note Bill Gates is like Ralf Nader.. back in the day he did more fo his field then anybody ever! (nader is the sole reason it isn\'t 120 F outside in the middle of january and there is only one animal left that is safe to eat) but both of them got fame for being good at a worthwile field and just stopped caring and now bask in the fame and have stopped doing what made them famous to begin with :/ (c\'mon nader leave those republican clones the independants and run as green in 2008 ;) you\'ll have my vote my main economic man!)
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i mean sure if you use firefox/mozilla (respectively as they are different despite both being made by mozilla) as your browser get a decent antispayware prgrm and a good anti virus protection program(are they protecting against anti viral tools? sry had to say tht ) and have a good firewall your in ALMOST as good of shape as if you were using linux but the thing is(though you should have all of these despite the price) they are EXPENSIVE(except for firefox/mozilla and anti spyware programs such as ad-aware se and spyware search and destroy)
i mean Nortan anti virus is how-much?
the only halfway decent free firewall (that ive found) is zonealarm and its still a pain in the ass....(unless of course you go for zone-alarm PRO only how many dollars extra)
I use firefox, which is a pleasure to use, and i have zone alarm installed. I got norton for free with my computer (IMO it sucks anyway, but alot of people swear by it). None of this cost any money and i\'ve never had a single virus / spyware / adware on my comp. No probs. But all you linux junkies will be happy to hear i am downloading red hat linux to give it a try, just to see whether it is as good as you claim. (and you better watch out if it isnt! :P)
Yup i can agree.. but can linux play retro 90\'s hentai dating sims? didn\'t think so.. and as long as japan makes its software for MS i am behind the window for a long time
woo!. Truest thing ive heard out of this discussion so far.
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well, i can not resist to post this here, for it says more about windoze than i could ever in this forum:
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/winrg.php
have a lot fun ;)
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well, i can not resist to post this here, for it says more about windoze than i could ever in this forum:
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/winrg.php
have a lot fun
Well heres one for the mac users...
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/apple.php
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:D talk about off-topic :D
Let\'s just not forget one thing here. If it was\'nt for windows we would\'nt be here playing PS but reading a book, comic or hanging around in the street or doing whatever.
despite all it\'s flaws it did made it possible and affordable to have a PC in you\'re home. Try to imagine what the world would look like without! (keep you\'re comments like a whole lot better if it was Linux instead blah blah blah)
MS and Windows are responsible for the succes of the internet. they made it easy to acces for everyone. And don\'t forget what they did to boost the economy and the possibilties they created for companies ( ;) and creating a whole new lucrative bussines branch thriving on making windows work and glueing the pieces together as a side effect)
Now if Linux or any other OS would ever become as popular as MS windows they better have to be very carefull not ending up where microsoft is right now. suffering under it\'s own succes.
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actually macintosh actually had a pretty good think going for it in the beginning(before microsoft) i mean apple 2\'s were badass(im young so i had to get that off eBay) and i mean BADASS!
just commenting
regards
-Tarach
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Originally posted by miLosh
And now finally I reinstalled microsuck XP home, reinstalled and updated everything, I tought and now for some PS. Not :( :( it updates perfectly, it launches but i get a : crystalspace.sound.driver.waveout: waveout open:0000000002 Bad device error?
well, why did you not take the chance and installed linux? http://www.gentoo.org for example. PS wont run either (well maybe now, just getting the art) but at least you would have an os that works.
*scnr ;)
Cheers, mate!