PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Draklar on February 20, 2005, 08:17:16 pm
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Well I have seen lots of threads taking up the topic of power-levelers in Planeshift. However the threat from their side might sound real, they aren\'t the ones who trouble me most in the world of Yliakum. Well, getting back to what I wanted to say, as many of us know the server was down lately. Out of boredom I started reading a comic (to which link was posted by someone somewhere on these forums). Made me chuckle quite many times, but that is not the point. After some time I came across this (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=110) installment. Pretty funny way of showing the p&p sessions. However suddenly I felt that it is somewhat familiar (despise that I never had such players myself). Well I went through it again and realised how much it reminds me of the state of Planeshift roleplaying. Let me explain it a bit by describing relation with the characters:
The GM: This is the roleplaying type. Tries to keep roleplaying clean and free from any nonsense. This is the most fragile type when it comes to absurd appearing while playing. The roleplayer wants to get fun from real roleplaying and any signs of world setting shattering turns the game into horror. There is absolutely no way of getting fully into the character.
The rat-flail guy: This is the worst type I encountered while playing Planeshift. It could be titled \"roleplaying idiot\". However he might not step out of the setting, he turns game into absurd. Examples here might be people who talk about weed or type such things as \"/me steals all ale\". I have also seen such behaviour among the tavern bouncers who attack visitors from the most absurd reasons (they can challenge players for wielding weapons in tavern without even asking if they would sheathe their swords beforehand). Although it doesn\'t step out of the given setting, it is absurd way of roleplaying and can easily destroy fun for others.
The Card Duel Master: I would title this kind as \"bad roleplayers\". People who aren\'t going to stick to given setting because something else is more fun for them. They don\'t seem to understand that if they like roleplaying something else, they should go play game where it is normal. The example would be vampires and people connected to them. Such creatures don\'t exist in world of Planeshift, but they don\'t see it as a problem. Of course, it isn\'t as bad as the \"roleplaying idiots\", but still can be annoying for roleplayers. The more that spreading of trend for something that shouldn\'t exist makes it harder to get fully into the given world. They will have fun from roleplaying themselves, but also will be bothering those who want to stick to given setting.
The Krug: The non-roleplayer. Although he knows nothing about roleplaying, he is the least bothering one. Power-levelers seem to stay in shadows and don\'t socialise much. You don\'t see them hanging out in tavern and annoying patrons. Just passing by at best.
Now I would also like to point out the outcome of the event. The roleplaying type gets pissed off and finally leaves the place (The leveler also disappears. It turns out the game seems to be unproper for him).
Now many people will say I am whining (again), but let me share my experience from my mission to encourage roleplaying in tavern.
The first week was great. There were many roleplayers passing by and with me standing behind the bar, they often stopped by to have a drink. There were roleplaying events when some would sing a song or recite a poem. It was really fun, some patrons were quite generous and I earned quite nice number of circles. I even got officially employed in the tavern which also caused me to seriously roleplay the barkeep. But that was just first week. One day I encountered most interesting event. I was forced to watch a ritual of blood-sucking in front of the counter. Three thoughts came to my mind: \"The patrons would be disgusted by the ritual\", \"A vampire wouldn\'t show off with its existance in public place\" and \"What does a vampire do in the world of Planeshift?\". But that wasn\'t so bad. Later I heard about people talking about such things as weed and others challenging everyone who did something that they didn\'t like and being rude in general. I tried to make them behave but then occurred fights between \"idiot roleplayers\". There also appeared more vampires who as they said, were just following the trend. I tried to cut the vampire discussions in tavern - first by saying the are no vampires in Planeshift, then by telling to take it somewhere else - nothing worked. It was hopeless and I lost all my will to talk with people. To regain my patience I simply stood in a corner, spending less and less time behind the bar (even though my character was supposed to be barkeep). But it seems it was bothering some people who started making annoying remarks about me or decided it would be a good idea to send me a challenge. The last saturday it was enough. First I had to deal with some mu-online player, who unfortunately learned the /me command. He was pain but finally I managed to get rid of him. But before I could calm down, someone who I respected for roleplaying rushed in and told me that because of vampires playing gods, her friend is thinking about leaving. As a barkeep I thought it was good idea to talk about patrons\' problems and I always did. But at that time my first words was to take the vampire discussion somewhere else. As if that wasn\'t enough, some other patron joined in defending existance of vampires in Planeshift. I had to take part in the argument, trying to make it stop, while in background I could see someone who possibly was trying to roleplay. That was enough, I asked for a list of people in the vampire organisation so I could put them on /ignore and have some peace at last. But instead I had another few people freak out on me and with no list, I /ignored only those who I knew to be members of it. That including my friend. Of course then I couldn\'t understand discussions in tavern, as someone who was taking part in it was on my /ignore list. It was useless and I simply left the tavern. The roleplaying experience was completely ruined for me. Despise my character who lately is going in direction of barkeep and minstrel, I don\'t feel like coming back to that place.
Now that I threw it out, to the most important part. I\'ve seen people being fast to accuse power-levelers of being downfall for the community, but maybe everyone should look at their own actions. Maybe people like the bouncers should try to be more polite for others. Maybe people who want to have fun roleplaying themselves, shouldn\'t disturb the setting and ruin everything for other roleplayers. I think that would be everything.
Say I\'m a whiner, an idiot or simply overreacting, I don\'t care. Roleplaying was completely ruined for me and no longer do I see anything to do other than leveling. I don\'t feel like talking with anyone ingame besides my guildmates, who I chosen because of roleplaying skills anyway. I don\'t expect everyone to change their ways, but maybe at least few people would think about their behaviour.
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good comic....does sum up the typical rpg situation...
about the rest of the stuff you said....yeah i agree with most stuff... i am not sure in which group i belong there. However such things are expected to happen when you have 400 active members....not all will have the same vision of roleplaying... it may be due to their age or experience in roleplaying.
my only advice.... keep roleplaying... it\'s people who roleplay that will keep planeshift on track....
what worries me about your post is that it sounds like you\'re giving up on the whole planeshift thing.
I hope that\'s not true.
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No, I\'m not giving up on Planeshift, I don\'t intend to. I still have some friends with whom I can roleplay. Only that I don\'t see them ingame that much either...
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Nicely put Draklar.
I\'d come hang with ya\' in the bar but...
OOC world: I\'m moving and I don\'t know if I\'ll have Broadband in my new place, financially speaking.
IC world: I\'m hunting down the guy that murdered my parents, sisters, tribe...etc. The tale is coming along nicely.
I am a little disturbed by the mention of vampires...are we talking like a race (which is NOT a part of the setting) or are we talking like a Cult (which could -I suppose- be woven in by the players if enough took interest.) Because I remember a certain moderator having a vampire character that was more related to (not the right word) \'fetish\' than \'culture\' or race.
Even if it is explainable I doubt they would be readily welcomed into the tavern, or city for that matter. As I recall in fact the afor mentioned mod\'s character had a thing about hiding her identity (as a vampire) when in communal settings since a blood drinking, merderous being of that kind would naturally be, A: feared and in turn, B: Hunted.
Of course, I have not been IG for a long time now so I am lost on the subject as a whole. But that would just be my natural reaction.
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I like that comic... It shows just how pointless the world is becoming, and how stupid most people are these days.
The days of gameplay and smartness is gone! All hail the graphical games!
But seriously, if you or anyone else really desires to roleplay, there\'s nothing to do except just ignoring the people who ruin it all. You\'ll never be able to talk sense into their heads and they\'ll never learn how to behave like a sane human being. It\'s just not possible.
:)
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Useful post and excellent link to accompany it. :)
It\'s been way too long since I\'ve been in-game, but I remember this stuff all the way back into MB. Remember Nanuke and his muffins?
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Yes, this stuff isn\'t new, but there is alot more of it now.
In reply to your post, about the GM is the way it should idealy work. Ill keep my thoughts about the PS GMs to myself...
The roleplaying idiot. Ah, yes. I\'ve encountered many of those. However, I don\'t think they are that much of an annoyance. There are idiots in real life to. You just learn to ignore them. They also are not very hard to convert to real roleplaying. I would consider myself to have been a roleplaying idiot in my days in RS...
Bad roleplayers. Well, Duel Masters are certainly not part of the game. But I have mixed feelings about Vampires. They seem borderline between good roleplaying and bad roleplaying. They (most of the ones I have talked to) realise that Vampires aren\'t a part of the game. But you can\'t really give them a good reason why they shouldn\'t be able to roleplay as a Vampire. If you can roleplay that your eyes were gouged out, and you were beaten so badly that you can bearly walk, and your arm was ripped off by some bandits as a child... Why can\'t you roleplay that you were born cursed with whatever curse Vampires have that make them need to suck blood. I agree that it shouldn\'t be allowed in the tavern, but why not elsewhere?
And the non-roleplayers, I agree with you. They never really bothered me.
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Well I try to roleplay in the game, yet it seems that faith doesn?t want it to be so :S and I always end talking OOC... quite annoying that is ;(
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Uhm... By GM I meant the Game Master in the comic... it represents the roleplayers.
About the vampires. Even they called it a trend. And if something is trend, you have lots of itdiots joining it just because it is cool. And from what I hear this kind of idiots is what annoys people ingame. And I hear awfully a lot about them, which doesn\'t indicate secrecy.
Such curse would be just fine... but only for individuals. Possibility of same curse of such power affecting lots of people isn\'t quite possible.
And if we allow vampires then why not other creatures? If you are going to forget about staying with setting then where is the border?
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Here\'s the issue:
Vampirism is not a \'trend\' or a \'fad\'. It\'s a \'fashion\'. It will ALWAYS be around to some degree.
I\'ve seen it everywhere I\'ve gone that didn\'t outright ban it.
I\'ve mentioned it as one of the patterns elsewhere.
I\'ve SEEN this before.
My original graphical RP place was so populated with them that it was unusual to see someone who was mortal. VERY unusual. It was like an event. \"Oh my god... you\'re.. you\'re... NOT a vampire!?\" Seriously.
Further, they had massive amounts of VARIETY in vampirism. Every single one was different, it seemed. In fact, the most popular were a group calling themselves \"Vampyres\". And guess what their guild, which STILL has a website up, is called?
\"Dark Haven\".
No joke.
Dark Haven\'s been in operation for around ten years, if I recall properly. And, of course, there are others. It\'s not that hard of a name to think up in regards to vampires and the like.
Not a trend. \"Daywalkers\" and \'damphires\" or whatever are something of a trend, but the MAJORITY of vampires lack the normal vulnerabilities.
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Other things to expect:
Characters from other worlds. I promise you SOMEONE will have shown up from a D&D setting. Considering I found this place myself while looking up some stuff for the 2nd edition D&D setting called \"Planescape\", wherein wikipedia pointed me -here-, I fully expect to run in to someone saying the word \"berk\".
Latest and greatest: Someone will show up from a final fantasy game in some form or other. I\'ve seen more Sephiroths than I can count, and absolutely none of them are the actual mythological figure in any way.
Other: There\'s another fashion that I simply won\'t mention because I refuse to be the one who gave anyone the idea. If you, for some bizzare reason, want to know, PM me or somesuch. But only if you promise not to start it yourself.
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Best thing to do:
Relax. You can\'t get rid of them unless they put up some serious anti-freeform rules.
Second best thing to do:
Twist it to your own devices. My characters tend to patronize vampires to no end, while remaining perfectly polite and amiable.
Third best thing to do:
Isn\'t there an ignore command?
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Originally posted by Incenjucar
Isn\'t there an ignore command?
There is but you don\'t expect us ignore the whole world? But then I do not find those Roleplay Idiots so annoying, and if they try anything funny, I\'ll RP them to death...:D Convert the heretics!!!
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Hence why I kept it as the final option, heh. I myself never ignore someone unless they\'re spamming so hard I can\'t read anything else.
Honestly though, I\'m starting to wonder where to -find- the RP at the moment.
The tavern occassionally has a large gathering of people, but it\'s at least as often empty or just has a few people saying \"I serve you drink\" and \"I drunken it all\". I have no ill will towards people learning, but, bloody, I\'ve been RPing online for more than seven years now, and was doing Pen and Paper for a few years prior, and am an English major, for crying out loud.
Must... have... intellectual... stimulation... graaa.
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I think one of the greatest injustices to RPGs is the awesome graphics. Not just computer games, I mostly play console games, but since graphics have become unparalleled storylines have suffered immensly. Now games have great graphics but I can no longer play all the way through them. This is what bothers me the most and why I spend most of my time playing RPGs that I have beat many times. Even games like FFX had a lot of problems with a storyline if you ask me... most seem to be cheap carbon copies of the great games of old.
Getting back to your main point though... really the newer players who dont RP really dont bother me. I think that they can learn. It takes a while to create a rp character anyway... I still have some problems and awkward moments sometimes. But we can always improve. Once in a while there are idiots:
One guy I had saw and greeted.. came upto me... turned around and backed into me.. then said \"kiss my ass.\"
there are alot of both.. plain idiots and RP idiots. I say you should write a book Draklar... RP For Dummies.
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Originally posted by Draklar
The Krug:
Point A.) Man VG cats owns :D
Point B.) Though Krug is in this comic it also refers to the stupid and \"Knuckle dragging stupid\" Krug in Dungeon Siege (where the comic may get the character from) And perfectly describes most of the gaming world (i\'d rather have pika-hulka-mon personaly :/ )
EDIT: the rat-flailers are just as dumb XD
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Hmm, this seems like the proper place for this. Peple who dont rp at all where standing around the blacksmith and talking about some forum. Two gms where in site and didn\'t say a thing. I think gm\'s need more discipline.
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if you didnt notice but the server only just kicked into gear again, perhaps GM\'s have other things to do then stare at the chatbox incase someone said \'poo\' so as to kickban them
besides, i myself was on briefly for 20 seconds befoe i turned crashed, loaded up and was somewhere else... not exactly stable at the moment so we have other priorities
btw : nice Draklar...
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Here\'s a thought:
Why not have a list of RPers?
Simply one to show that someone won\'t be wasting their time if they stop and acknowledge someone?
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Why not an Organization of RPers then?
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Also a good idea.
So long as its not a guild, for both avoiding competing with proper guilds, and since RP \'grows\' leaders, rather than electing them.
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but who decides who is roleplayer... a lot of rat-flail people would think they are excellent roleplayers
who will make a list....
while it\'s a nice sounding idea.... it\'s not a workable idea.... it will astrange a lot of new people....who might be good roleplayers
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Never said it was about \"Good\" RPers.
Anyone who\'s at least willing to try can be encouraged towards refinement.
With a list, however, one can seek.
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It saddens my heart to see the Tavern without a bar keep. The loyal patrons have been reduced to mere barflys, if they are still around at all. But I suppose that all things have a purpose.
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Draklar, I would have to agree with you on the descriptions of player groups. Yes, I find it absolutely irritating when players make reference to objects, creatures and other stuff belonging to other campaigne settings within PS. They simply idiotic morons who have not the intelligence to figure out that they in PS and not another campaigne setting.
The only point I would have to disagree with you if the option not to role play anymore to strangers. All you are doing is to encourage more idiotic role playing.
With very little documentation on the current world, new role players need to find out the ethics, history, culture, etc from existing role players.
I currently not role playing much, more observing role players like yourself in action, to get a feeling of the role playing atmosphere that is wished for PS. I have slowly started to role play the Klyros on Saturday, making notes from role players on what is expected of how a Klyros should behave.
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Oh, it is indeed an interesting time for the klyros, especially since they have the least information on how to behave of any group, since they\'re not directly out of anything else, like most of the other races, and have no real world analogs.
All we know is that they have a strong sense of brotherhood, they have the will to outright ignore a deity demanding worship, fully displaying its power, while being slaughtered, as a -race-. They appearantly created or had created for them a portal from another world. And they really really really like crab.
They\'re also the newest race in Planeshift historically, as well as in regards to character models, so they\'re the least integrated. Their physical differences no doubt enhance this.
As such, I\'ve focused on making my klyros a staunch anti-deist, who is unimpressed by \'leader\' types of any stature, considers displays of power to be tacky and boorish, considers knowledge to be the most wonderful thing in the world along with a good pipe (which he became fascinated with wholly because of its association with fire, the one element the klyros aren\'t strongly adapted for), and acts as a sage, selling that information, while keeping the best for the sake of serving his people.
They\'re fun (and interesting) little buggers.
Of course, there\'s always the occassional verbal berration of over-small doorways...
Which is even more fun.
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Originally posted by Incenjucar And they really really really like crab.
They\'re fun (and interesting) little buggers.
Of course, there\'s always the occassional verbal berration of over-small doorways...
Which is even more fun.
Crabs, definitely need to add that to my fish talk!
They interesting for sure from their short description, and ideal for an exploring type character in terms of physical abilities, which I tend to enjoy playing that of an adventurer/explorer.
Hmmm... those pesky doorways and stairs, where the taller Karn have no issues with. I sure they are magical anti-Klyros doors, just to give us Klyros a hard time.
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Originally posted by confused
The only point I would have to disagree with you if the option not to role play anymore to strangers. All you are doing is to encourage more idiotic role playing.
Well I still roleplay a bit... here (http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload7/loggy.txt) you can see me teaching a newcomer the word \"thou\"
I feel so proud of him :]
It\'s just that I\'d rather stay away from this chaos for a bit.
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I like the idea of keeping a list somewhere of people who are rpers. I started a thread on the vampire threat a while ago, which got closed by a vampire moderator, to noones suprise. (Free speech is limited on these forums).
Anyway, I suggest we treat the in game vampires as lunatics. I simply love to ridicule people, and ridiculing vampires is tons of fun for me. Perhaps we can have an in-game citizens group who are worried about the lunatics and we can band together. It\'s not a guild per se, but an action committee.
If you come across another one of these freaks, it would delight me to be notified. Since I consider myself a sort of town fool, it\'s only natural that the people of the town want to laugh at me laughing at the vamps! Who else?
Mulla Nasrudin
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Well played darklar......
that\'s how you are supposed to treat a non-roleplayer
on the other hand i understand your frustration as conversations like this happen more often then a regular rp conversation.
save this log
it\'s good illustration of how an rp-er should act
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hmm, rather interesting conversation... must say I laughed at the last part really amusing, I think that is a perfect example on how to handle those non-rp ;)
and about the vampires... not sure about you others... but I think that I will stay neutral about them, well no need to make a bigger problem about it than necessesary :P
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to vampires i can say one thing.... bite me
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When I was reading draklar\'s post I couldn\'t help but think of wc3. :D
---Loading Resident Evil Map---
Map Starts
Kramy picks Demolitions.
Kramy: Runs around shooting zombies and collecting items.
Kramy joins group at center of map.
Other Guy starts shooting Kramy.
Kramy: uhh?
Other Guy: You got bit by a zombie!
Kramy: No I didn\'t...
Kramy runs away and drops a claymore.
Other Guy dies when a zombie gets too close.
Kramy comes back.
Other Guy says \"AHH, KRAMY IS A TK!!1\".
Other Guys 4 and 6 start shooting Kramy.
Kramy drops a satchel and runs.
Other Guys 4 and 6 stand on satchel.
Kramy blows up satchel.
Other guys 4 and 6 die.
Other Guy 5 says \"OMG THAT GUY JUST KILLED 3 PPL\"
Other Guy 5 starts shooting Kramy.
Kramy shoots other guy 5.
Other Guys 2,3, and 7 start shooting Kramy.
Other Guy 3 drops chain explosives as a trap.
Kramy Uses RPG on other guys 2, 3, 5, 7, and the chain explosive.
Other guys all die.
Kramy gets flamed for a while.
Kramy runs around map killing zombies and not dieing.
Everyone else leaves.
Kramy keeps playing for a couple hours.
---Kramy wins map---
Rather lame rp\'ing, eh?
Well, with that said, I have to agree with you - powergamers don\'t tend to ruin games. After all, what\'s worse?
\"Greetings noble merchant from the great city of Ojaveda, what brings you to our humble bar?\"
--Powergamer walks away
\"Greetings noble merchant from the great city of Ojaveda, what brings you to our humble bar?\"
--Other guy says \"I aam gere to suck yer blud!\"
--Other guy says \"Sllurp suck suck slurp....\"
Duh. :P
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I agree. If they want advice, then ask the advisors...that\'s why we\'re here. If they want money, then kill rats...loot them and steal their stuff
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Draklar, would we who want to role play be able to find you.
As for the vampire lunatics, hell I would not want to be biten by one of those with bad dirty broken teeth, probably end up getting rabish or some horrid disease.
Rather keep a fair distance from them.
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I\'m not sure whare I fall into these different player types...
I enjoy the rping and getting into a charactor I spent a great deal of tome in the charactor creation screen giving Ghirtek an interesting history.
At the same time I enjoy the comidiac aspect the \"rat-flail guy\" can bring to the table (my first encounter in D&D I was a cleric and created water over the head of a gobblin in our firs encounter) But the ones who are non stop at it tend to get annoying.
At times in the game I don\'t feel like talking to anyone and move into more of a Powerleveler mode.
I will be the first to admit i have trouble staying in charactor I will often make comments about the interface of the game or a relating website or forum... But sometimes it\'s easier to make just talk about tings in RL rather than trying to find a way of molding it into the IC world.
[about the vampires: I am pretty nutural they seem to be fading into the background and secracy like you would expect them to I haven\'t heard to much talk about them in the past few days and that\'s just fine]
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Well I agree that roleplaying badly or immaturely is worse than not RPing at all, but one has to learn some where and most are not an expert of RP when they start. Give them a chance and advice.
To them we need to give ways to grow better. One such way might be compiling a list of meanings and correct usage of shakespearean era words and phrases. And Draklar, seeing that you have extensive knowledge in the area it might be a good idea to do this; I know that I would be gratefull as I am not knowledgeful in that area myself.
Those who continue their childish ways or have no desire to learn correct RPing, though are a different type altogether. It is they who annoy or ruin the atmoshpere, not out of ignorance but out of not caring, and it is they who are the bane of RP.
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i couldent aggree more draklar :)
expecially the vampire bit i mean have you seen there websites? they have vampire krans for gods sake KRANS! what there going to suck the crystals from your blood?
it has to stoped i say we need to get more real roleplayes in the tavern and when the trolls or the people that want to suck our blood and just beat them with sticks.
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Best option: Don\'t go on vampire hunts.
Just get white coats.
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I felt the need to make a post quickly, I lead Darkhaven and id just like to set the record straight.
We have no real intention of doing anything like going around saying \"OMG we\'re l33t vamps who can keel you!!!\". Just intend to RP the part as best we can, as for the tavern thing that was before DH was set up so I cant really comment on it.
And to Seperot, if you\'d care to read the website rather than try to cause problems you\'d see in the bloodlines section there are no Kran listed. DH accepts even the non vampiric as members because although it is a vampire society it is deeply rooted in protecting each other and aiding each other, inevitably that means we are quite diverse meaning there are indeed a couple of kran in the willing aids/feeds section although of course they fall under aid seeing as they have no blood.
Personally ive never bitten anyone in the tavern, went upstairs to the bedrooms, and to my knowledge and incident like the one being reffered to hasnt happened since DH was formed. If I am wrong about that then apologies but I can only go on what I know.
Edit: Oops nearly forget something, yes we are going slightly more secretive now but will still be open about the subject to anyone who asks, the post in the guild forums was simply to let people know we are here
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So... if i would like to rp where shall i go?
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Discusions about vampires could be heard in tavern long time after DH was created. Just because you weren\'t present in the discussions doesn\'t mean you aren\'t responsible for them. Just like when you leave fire in forest, it just might be your fault that it burnt down after you left.
Although ever since I found the members list of DH I can\'t say I worry about it. For example I can see a local idiot (guy who talks about weed or breakdancing in tavern), another is pseudo-roleplayer and the kran bit is just too much.
Despise feeding on life of other creatures (I don\'t think I would remain sane in such situation...) and generally being outcasts, you still have strength to not get corrupted by your power and protect those from whom you get nothing in return. Not to mention you can\'t possibly give more protection to Blitzers\' member than his guild. Rather bring more troubles because of hanging out with looneys who drink others\' blood.
Sounds to me like the reason to join as well as accept it wasn\'t exactly roleplaying.
So it doesn\'t sound very serious to me, I expect it to fade away with time.
Jackrum: At right times tavern seems to hold a nice bunch of roleplayers. Knowing people who roleplay usually helps. For example when you see Naitachal and Sarrow alone in tavern, it is a good idea to slowly back off.
Kwip: I\'m not perfect with it either. Like you can see me making a mistake by using \"thee\" in the log.
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Do you mean that Sarrow isnt serius? If so who is?
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Sep, you\'re not fooling anyone. ;) You don\'t mind vampires, you never have. You even had one (me) in your guild and praised how well her history was written. Suddenly you think vampires are the worst thing to ever have happened, and there can only be one reason for that- a childish one indeed.
So, let\'s leave the whole \'vampire debate\' out of this thread, or it will take over the whole thing. Consider it OT for this discussion.
Back on topic from now. :)
Jackrum: The tavern is always the best place to look for roleplayers. The plaza is undoubtedly the worst, but, there can be some there sometimes. The trick is to RP-greet everyone to see and see how they respond... Roleplayers are more likely to /greet you and talk than others. :)
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Sarrow is one of the rat-flail guys.
It would be easier to say who belongs to that group as the number of them is lesser.
I would point out people like Tasuja, Sarrow, Naitachal or Crowdown/Berbodar. There were more but luckily they vanished after a while.
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Well thank you very much, both of you. Im on my way to the tavern. By the way, do anyone knew a guild that is focusing on RP?
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Forest Guardians, Dark Empire, Rangers, Arcane Order
To name few.
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Also, if you go to the tavern.. look for a Bartender named Flare. He is a very good roleplayer and he is a very nice person as well.
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Kwip: I\'m not perfect with it either. Like you can see me making a mistake by using \"thee\" in the log.
Well people with greater knowledge or with a specific knowledge could contribute if it was made into a thread. I am not starting the thread since I fear I do not have much a contribution to make.
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I always search for people to RP but lastly in the tavern there\'s none to talk and in the rest of the world not always i can find someone to RP
Shannath
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The one problem with a large game... RPers get bored waiting for others to show up, so go hunting or exploring... and someone shows up... while they\'re gone... and eventually does the same.
So you end up with a dozen RPers scattered around the game, wishing they were all in the tavern chatting with someone.
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Incenjucar, I agree.
I mean, I\'ve been off the game for a week since the MAC client went down, but...
Anyway, I often have a hard time trying to find a good group of people. I have some regulars, but I\'d like to branch out. There has been much talk of a \"list\". I\'m not sure it would do any real good, but it might be a nice start.
Most of all, I\'m hoping that some in-game cultures will start.
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Culture won\'t hit until people start gathering in unusual places. The tavern is going to be omni-cultural, by nature. I went to Ojevida or however you spell it the other day, and in the tavern were a bunch of pleasant blokes who were, I\'m rather sure, \'oldbies\', who\'ve gathered there. They had their own little thing going on.
What we need is a more pressing reason for people to be in the same place for more than the time it takes to train up.
Seriously, a good way to get some RP started would be to post a time and place for guaranteed RP.
Maybe have an event of some sort worth going to.. like a joke-off or poetry contest or something. A public speech... a debate... something.
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As for the cultures themselves, it would help if we actually had more info on the species we\'re playing... especially the wholly new sorts, like klyros and kran. We have no idea on how their biology works. I\'m not sure if my klyros has a bunch of fangs, or mere nubs for teeth, etc.
Despite, certain tendancies have at least popped up. Fairly spontaniously, the klyros players have started to act fairly haughty. My use of \"Greetings, kin\" is starting to spread, which is helping to give a more general tone, as well. Helps that I claim anyone klyros who acts differently as being Laanx-touched.
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I like the ideas of debates and contests very much. When I get back on (If I can be so lucky) I would like to volunteer for the first public hanging. I mean, it would stir thing up a bit to drag a character through the streets.
Isn\'t there a female mage out there who would be burned at the stake for the sake of RP? It would turn the heads of the duelists in the plaza if a huge flock of people suddenly charged through with a witch in tow.
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the idea of debats and stuff like that is in truth a very good ide. what do the people say about a ingame meeting to discuss this very subjekt?
I\'m sure that there is many voises who whish to speek, and come whith ideas of what to do.
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My sage would certainly be happy to make full use of any chance to prove his wisdom to the populous... it would increase his chance of being hired...
As for witches.. um... there\'s no reason to assume that witches are maligned, unless the followers of Laanx had some issue with a nature-loving herbalist wizard...
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Well, I\'m still locked out of the game until the MAC side is fixed.
When I\'m in, I think we should start a sort of Citizen\'s Meeting in the plaza or tavern and announce the times here on the forums. We could discuss the problems of duelling and vampires and whatever else is bothering our characters.
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I\'d be more than happy to engage in a public debate. The problem is keeping everyone else quiet while the debate is going on.
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Perhaps have the characters raise their hands to get a chance to speak?
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i definately AM a roleplayer...
tavern kitty, like Clover
(if only the damn fenki COULD get behind the bar... -.-)
sometimes ill power level if there isnt anythng else, as in roleplaying is quiet, and nobody\'s at the tavern
otherwise, ill be at the tavern having Catnip wine
(and the vampire thing, i have a backstory that is all but off topic, crystal causes many things to happen you know :rolleyes: )
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Incenjucar\'s \"hand\" thing is intresting. maybe we altso should need a GM to silense disturbing elements, but that would be optional. the most important thing is to have a organizer.
I vote for Draklar, because it was he who startet this thread, and seems to be quite aktive ingame.
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The problem is I don\'t want to take part in any discussions about vampires.
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Well since Vampires always seem to invade serious threads on say.... role playing in ps... when there have been numerous threads about them before, the mods could always ban the word Vampires.
That would probably just lead to V4mpires, Vamp1res, Vampir3s, etc. Maybe a disclaimer at the top of threads saying \"No Vampire Related Topics Allowed\".
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Well, Draklar, since you\'re being nominated, you can sit as chair. The vampire menace is a \"real\" one, however. Someone *winks at Draklar* should announce a discussion on some serious topics and introduce the hand-raising rule.
If we start these Town Halls soon, we could get into embedded into the environment. As I\'ve said before, simply beginning to organize is the first step. From here we can lead to a very rich game. If we all decide that \"there will be no more duelling in the plaza\" or \"everyone has to pay to drink at the tavern\", then as new people enter the world and feel the pressure, they will recognise the culture of the place.
There was a post somewhere else demonstrating that simply running through the plaza shouting \"NO DUELING IN THE PLAZA!\" has a chilling effect on those people. This is self-organisation at its finest.
By the way, when is the PS Spring Solstice? Shouldn\'t we have a fair or at least a parade?
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Provided the timing works out, I\'d certainly show up to such. Drakis could readily be talked in to crowd control, in fact, considering he always acts as the neutral party.
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My mistake Draklar, I did not mean that you should lead a vampire discussion. What I meant was that sines people knews you, you should be the one who leads the first discussion.
It could for exampel be about how to organise everything. Like what to talk about and where to do it.
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Actually, I think Draklar should lead the discussion whilst using a fake vampire accent.
Anyway, is there any chance of this actually shaking out? i hope so.