PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Exaero_Fiero on February 25, 2005, 04:33:29 am
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There is some group of words, which is identified as \"Non-RP\", and that is why many newbs have to substitute their nicknames or maybe even guild names after having a rendezvous with a GM.
But... Where is the clear border between RP and non-RP words?
As many of you would know, the official language of Planeshift is an old (Shakespearean) English, as far as it is used for roleplaying and enforced in-game. At that time, the words such as \"sterilization\" or \"machinegun\" were not used, as well as not yet invented.
Therefore, if there is no such a word as \"lightsaber\", how can we judge, that it is not RP related? Why do we necesarly make the connection of language we\'re supposed to use in role-playing with the language irl? Therefore if such a word doesn\'t exist, why can\'t we implement it ourselves without the meaning it has irl? This way, how is it different if one called one\'s guild \"Darkheart Guild\" or \"Lightsabers\' Guild\"?
To strenghten the point of the first paragraph: Different languages... If we can use latin for guilds\' names (setting does not mention that any of the first people spoke latin), why can\'t we use all the other possible languages, including the made-up ones? Why can\'t we say that \"Supeerlet killa\" doesn\'t mean \"honorable knight\" in the ancient Xacha or \"Ghifd adf rtut\" means \"Prepare for duel\" in gobble...? It is understandable, that sequences of letters and numbers (aka 1337) obviously can\'t be used in names, but what about everything else?
I would love to see good arguments, and especially good arguments from GM\'s, if they care enough to read this boring post. ;)
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I like that! Uc Kri Ried Forn. More gobble ;)
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...Where is it stated as official? I tend to keep towards it myself -anyways-, but I didn\'t notice this in the documentation...
Aye, tis well that I do keep these habits, that it might be required.
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Well im non a GM, but ill argue anyway..
As many of you would know, the official language of Planeshift is an old (Shakespearean) English, as far as it is used for roleplaying and enforced in-game. At that time, the words such as \"sterilization\" or \"machinegun\" were not used, as well as not yet invented.
Is it? A quick check of the rules mentions nothing about using old shakespearean, thats just what most people use because that fits into the medieval setting of PS and so it makes sense. But ive never seen an offical announcement stating that.
To strenghten the point of the first paragraph: Different languages... If we can use latin for guilds\' names (setting does not mention that any of the first people spoke latin), why can\'t we use all the other possible languages, including the made-up ones? Why can\'t we say that \"Supeerlet killa\" doesn\'t mean \"honorable knight\" in the ancient Xacha or \"Ghifd adf rtut\" means \"Prepare for duel\" in gobble...? It is understandable, that sequences of letters and numbers (aka 1337) obviously can\'t be used in names, but what about everything else?
Simple- You cannot use a word in another language if it has a meaning in english that is not allowed. E.g German word uber, means roughly (i dont speak german) super, superior, etc. But in english it has leet connotations, as so if you called your guild Uber Warriors it could be targeted by a GM because of the english meaning. If a word does not have an english meaning, then you should be free to use it. Exception: if the language is a language that you made up or a group of friends made up, and uses ridiculous phonetics, lacks vowels, etc, then if could be changed. Eg. itrghjk wqtugh You could say that means Warrior of the Sun in the language nvlwstlk, but unless the language is widely known, then you can be asked to change the name.
So to recap:
1) Can use any words from any recognised language provided they do not have other undesireable meanings in english,
2) Can use any words from any language provided they are roughly pronouncable (some discretion required here).
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I agree with you Exaero... That could add a new element to roleplay as well.
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Welll, in the world today most languages have sprouted from a few original ones making many very alike. In the ps world this can also be what led to many languages, but, then langages would have somthing in common. I see nothing \"Who art thou?\" has in common with \"a/s/l\"
Meanwhile, somthing like \"Wha cou nahu?\" has some distinct similarities with the \"Who art thou?\" I showed you before.
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Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero Therefore if such a word doesn\'t exist, why can\'t we implement it ourselves without the meaning it has irl? This way, how is it different if one called one\'s guild \"Darkheart Guild\" or \"Lightsabers\' Guild\"?
Because words which are well known and have connection with modern times or sci-fi setting are disturbing for roleplaying in medieval setting, duh.
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Originally posted by Draklar
Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero Therefore if such a word doesn\'t exist, why can\'t we implement it ourselves without the meaning it has irl? This way, how is it different if one called one\'s guild \"Darkheart Guild\" or \"Lightsabers\' Guild\"?
Because words which are well known and have connection with modern times or sci-fi setting are disturbing for roleplaying in medieval setting, duh.
And part of roleplay is to be able to improvise what others bring upon you thou dark hearted fool or perhaps thou would be better suited as a member of the sabbers of light.
Ok that was fun now prove to me how dark heart is inapropriat in a world where evil characters roam unfettered and how light sabers are inapropriate in a world where magic reigns supream.
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Emmmmmm why cant they use light sabre??? Wellington\'s Cavalry carried heavy sabres for use in chages and some infantry officers liked the reach of the weapon they had a lighter version made making a \"light sabre\" :P
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Because lightsaber as a well known word is instantly connected with Star Wars. You can make many excuses for light sabring to exist in Planeshift, but that doesn\'t change the basic fact. Sci-fi words are disturbing roleplaying in fantasy setting.
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It\'s about practical reasons. Out of 100 people only one would maybe understand light saber correctly, in it\'s rp sense. All would see the sci-fi connection, breaking the flow.
edit: well, got beat.
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Oh please just because one sci-fi author used the term lightsaber in one of his books you\'re gonna ban it from the PS world ... Even though I don\'t remember the names of the books or the authors I still remember reading quite a few fantasy books who used weapons made of light and thus light sabers too, not to mention that if light armor exists then light weapons do too with light being the opposite of heavy this time around.
One question for you though, if Lucas had talked about magic instead of force would you ban the use of that word too :))
Lucas was certainly not the first to use a light saber in one of his story, it just so happened that his light saber became well known.
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So? The fact is, it IS well known. Regardless of how it came to be, the word \"Lightsabre\" is most commonly associated with wavey laser swords. Arguing the finer points of that is meaningless because it all boils down to the first 8 words in this post. Read, wash, repeat. :)
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A light sabre/saber (same thing):
A saber made of a light material/alloy, enabling the wielder to hit at incredible speeds.
A lightsaber:
Go play SW:KoTOR, not PS.
There\'s a big diffrence between the two things. It\'s all about how you read it. :)
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A quick check of the rules mentions nothing about using old shakespearean
Yes, there are no rules, however...
what most people use because that fits into the medieval setting of PS
And almost everything else (if not everything else) won\'t make sense.
And now, to everyone who keeps making connections to real life, and modern version of english: Most computer games are made to introduce different worlds to people playing them. And the genre, which especially appeals for creating alternative realities is RPG. This game is called planeSHIFT, therefore it is made for us to shift from the reality and to forget about it for some time. As far as it is a medieval-fantasy setting, we use, as Ramlambmoo pointed out, a language which best suits the setting - the Shakespearean english. It is an older version of modern english, where they did not have the main 1337 words, which appeared later. Furthermore, 1337 words are not a part of our language, and if we do not make a connection to real life (which breaks the feeling of an alternate reality), the 1337 words are pratically \"unknown\" to us. And if the words are unknown to us...
1) Can use any words from any recognised language provided they do not have other undesireable meanings in english
Because lightsaber as a well known word is instantly connected with Star Wars.
Keeping in mind my previous paragraph, where did you get to watch Star Wars in the world of PlaneShift? :)
To Moogie: Perhaps, now you can join in... ;)
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Wow, this is sad...
First of all it\'s called Planeshift because of existance of portals by which various races could get into Yliakum from other realms.
Second,
Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero
Because lightsaber as a well known word is instantly connected with Star Wars.
Keeping in mind my previous paragraph, where did you get to watch Star Wars in the world of PlaneShift? :)
You know there is lots of offensive words that weren\'t used in middle ages. I suppose you would like them allowed as characters\' and guilds\' names too, ey?
Now for the main point, I watched Star Wars irl and that happens to be enough for me to connect \"lightsaber\" with the movies. Just like when I see \"Stormtrooper\" I don\'t think \"a soldier who rides during a storm\". There is one serious flaw in your logic that you seem to not understand:
Players are not their characters.
They are affected by real life.
Sometimes it\'s enough hard to get into character, no need for making it even harder by adding words that have too big connection with rl movies and such.
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Originally posted by Draklar
Wow, this is sad...
First of all it\'s called Planeshift because of existance of portals by which various races could get into Yliakum from other realms.
Really? Excuse my ignorance, as I, counter to the truth, used logic and it presented an apprehensible result for me.
Now for the main point, I watched Star Wars irl and that happens to be enough for me to connect \"lightsaber\" with the movies. Just like when I see \"Stormtrooper\" I don\'t think \"a soldier who rides during a storm\". There is one serious flaw in your logic that you seem to not understand:
Players are not their characters.
They are affected by real life.
Sometimes it\'s enough hard to get into character, no need for making it even harder by adding words that have too big connection with rl movies and such.
It can be an excuse, for anyone who doesn\'t strife for a perfection, otherwise... Don\'t you think, the most effective roleplayer is someone who can literally become his/her charater for the moments in-game? Yet, to become a different character means also to start thinking differently and character in-game had not seen or heard anything the real person heard or seen in real life.
Sounds like you, my friend, do not dream at all, and thus even for a moment cannot leave your real life. It is sad indeed.
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If it wasn\'t for Ole StarWars
I could use Storm Trooper as a rank in my guild for those members who work as a group at storm into battle and take over building and such... I could also equip all of these Troopers with Light Sabers because they have a good range and speed of attack.
But as soon as I told someone that all my Storm Troopers had Light Sabers they would hear Stormtroopers with Lightsabers and ask if I was Darth Vader... You see the problem? It\'s not that the words don\'t belong It is that the Connotations to the words do not belong...
I would have to stop role-playing to explain to the other player what I meant buy Storm Troopers and Light Sabers
It just kinda kills the mood...
Back to the Shakespearian English:
I understand why many role-players prefer to use this to give a feeling of ancientness to the game - but I don\'t feel it is entirely necessary.
Most people (myself included) do not really know how to correctly set up a sentence in \"The King\'s English\" and so we misuse the different forms of you (thee, thy, thou) and other things like that.
This not only distracts me from role-playing because I?m more focused on trying to say the word correctly than I am on saying what I mean. It also distracts those who understand it because they feel the need to correct me, or they secretly wince behind their monitor at home.
(I can\'t imagine the trouble we would have if we were actually trying to use the English of the period that the game actually has set we would be using Middle English like Chaucer... Have you read The Canterbury Tales? Or maybe even Old English like Beowulf that could be fun :P )
Edit: Speeling
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No, I will not excuse your ignorance :)
Not only you forget that not everyone are perfect roleplayers, but also your statements are cliche and pretty much untrue.
The most effective roleplayer is someone who always behaves as his char would.
I usually think as my char would, but I am able to leave it only as my alter ego.
What you are talking about is leaving touch with reality. Not exactly what skilled roleplayer strives for.
Sounds like you, my friend, do not dream at all, and thus even for a moment cannot leave your real life. It is sad indeed.
I am afraid to ask for logic which formed this statement :P
But just to ridicule you, I am a member of a knighthood irl. Going into the world of swords and stuff isn\'t much of leaving my real life indeed ;)
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You people can argue about just about anything can\'t you? Oh well, I guess this forum isn\'t that different from all the other game forums out there..
Star Wars is a massive phenomenon, the sheer size of the commercial empire Lucas has made on those movies should be reason enough to assume that virtually \"everyone\" knows what a lightsaber is in Star Wars and thus when the word is mentioned, the parrallel is instantly drawn.
On the other hand I do, however, believe that enforcing all these RP names (and trying to force RP language on to others) will prove futile in the end..
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Originally posted by Draklar
Not only you forget that not everyone are perfect roleplayers, but also your statements are cliche and pretty much untrue.
Then prove me wrong... ;)
The most effective roleplayer is someone who always behaves as his char would.
I usually think as my char would, but I am able to leave it only as my alter ego.
What you are talking about is leaving touch with reality. Not exactly what skilled roleplayer strives for.
Matter of *cough* opinion *cough*...
I am afraid to ask for logic which formed this statement :P
Ok... My logic had been the following chain: Draklar says, that when he hears word lightsaber, he thinks of Star Wars ==> Draklar always makes connections to real life, wherever he is ==> Draklar lives with reality ==> Draklar can\'t live in dreams. And thus, doesn\'t dream.
But just to ridicule you, I am a member of a knighthood irl. Going into the world of swords and stuff isn\'t much of leaving my real life indeed ;)
This is ridiculous! :D
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Originally posted by Socrates Demise
Most people (myself included) do not really know how to correctly set up a sentence in \"The King\'s English\" and so we misuse the different forms of you (thee, thy, thou) and other things like that.
this so true, old english is not just using different pronouns it\'s grammar is a bit different, the word order. And using old english would confuse the players with weaker english skills. I say just speak the regular common english without computer speak... or possibly without words like \'cool\'....even though it\'s hard to root out some of that stuff, we use it without much thought.... i don\'t want to spend 2 minutes rephrasing each sentance so it would sound more ancient. Roleplay. If someone says awesome...imagine he used some similar word from olden english which has become obsolete by now. Plus olden english might open opprotunities for cheap shot jokes like \'i am feeling so gay now that i slew that vermin\'.
wait wait wait
there were too many language based disucssion as it is.... i am not going to start another one ;)
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Yeah, I bet people hate it, when the thread becomes the discussion of something else, but the original thought.
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Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero
The most effective roleplayer is someone who always behaves as his char would.
I usually think as my char would, but I am able to leave it only as my alter ego.
What you are talking about is leaving touch with reality. Not exactly what skilled roleplayer strives for.
Matter of *cough* opinion *cough*...
Well proving you wrong isn\'t a hard thing really:
Once the border between you and your character doesn\'t exist, either your char has your personality, or you your char\'s. One doesn\'t differ from another. That means you aren\'t roleplaying anymore, but are yourself. How obvious...
Draklar says, that when he hears word lightsaber, he thinks of Star Wars ==> Draklar always makes connections to real life
I love your logic, I really do :rolleyes:
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I gues i\'m lucky to hear about lightsabre and Star Wars and dont know what are you talking about ;) I realized only after few seconds.
I\'m sorry for english people that they have the same word \'light\' for kind of weigh and degree of brightness. =P
But i\'m really sorry for those who see no difference in \"light sable\" and \"lightsable\"
Just my few tria. Hope I haven\'t offended anyone.
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Originally posted by Draklar
Well proving you wrong isn\'t a hard thing really:
Once the border between you and your character doesn\'t exist, either your char has your personality, or you your char\'s. One doesn\'t differ from another. That means you aren\'t roleplaying anymore, but are yourself. How obvious...
I suggested that a real life person can become somebody else in game, becoming his character in game doesn\'t mean that one loses one\'s personality. One only acts as if one has a different personality.
You can think of it, as you still haven\'t changed my original position. :P
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Emmm a Storm Trooper in your guild thats not quite possable just now as a Trooper was a cavalryman not an infantryman there\'s no horses. Troopers (cavalry) would charge a position or enemy Infantry would storm.
Apart from that if the setting is medievil then there are no troopers the army then consisted of Footmen Archers and Knights basically.
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Originally posted by Scots Saseg
Emmm a Storm Trooper in your guild thats not quite possable just now as a Trooper was a cavalryman not an infantryman there\'s no horses. Troopers (cavalry) would charge a position or enemy Infantry would storm.
Apart from that if the setting is medievil then there are no troopers the army then consisted of Footmen Archers and Knights basically.
I suggest you recheck your history Alexander the Great used storm troopers quite often and no they WERE NOT calvary.
Moreover this whole thread is arguing about semantics. The conotation of words in real life should have no bearing on their conotaion in game. I mean realy if you were playing AD&D and your character found a +1 light saber are you going to conjure up an image of Lucas\'s tecnalogical creation or are you going to conjur up an image of a saber with a blade made of light?
O and one more thing if you disallow word combinations like light saber and dark heart because they are familiar to us in rl why do we have magic which is far more famous and far more likely to conjure up images of anouther steeing?
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Probably because when we hear \"magic\" we usually think of fantasy, not about gallaxy far far away...
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Do you have any idea how many cuss words are historically unscathing?
The \"N-Word\" used to be no worse than calling someone an idiot in the middle ages. Chaucer uses the term.
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Originally posted by Draklar
Probably because when we hear \"magic\" we usually think of fantasy, not about gallaxy far far away...
No when I hear \"magic\" I generaly think about David Copperfield; which is the same thing as comparing the term \"light saber\" to Luke Skywalkers energy sword.
The point I am trying to get across here is that the meaning of a term in rl or another setteng does not nessesarily have any bearing on its meaning in this setting. So stop trying to act like it does and learn to sepperate what you know from what your character knows.
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Originally posted by Draklar
The most effective roleplayer is someone who always behaves as his char would.
Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero
Matter of *cough* opinion *cough*...
Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero
One only acts as if one has a different personality.
You can think of it, as you still haven\'t changed my original position. :P
Sounds like I did. This by the way indicates that you remain in touch with reality. While That implicates that you are affected by real life (feel hunger, hear various sounds, keep awareness). That obviously makes it harder to roleplay and what you are asking for is stimulating the problems. Enough that PS is a computer game (it\'s much harder to roleplay than in p&p, where you use imagination for everything anyway) a good move would be to get rid of any popular culture references and alike. Seeing \"lol\", \":)\", \"sup?\", \"lightsaber\" all can help in removing bind between you and your character. If it doesn\'t affect you, good for you. But I\'m sure not everyone have skills like that. I prefer to roleplay on forums and in p&p games, where it is all about your imagination. In mmorpg I can roleplay, I can think as my char would, I understand what he would feel. But it doesn\'t take me to any other world. I don\'t use my imagination to its full possibilities as I can see everything with my eyes.
Edit: to the above post: \"usually\" is the key word. Note that not everyone thinks of David when someone says \"magic\". Probably many people who have no touch with fantasy, but that doesn\'t matter.
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Originally posted by Draklar
Edit: to the above post: \"usually\" is the key word. Note that not everyone thinks of David when someone says \"magic\". Probably many people who have no touch with fantasy, but that doesn\'t matter.
Looks to me like you just shot down your own post Draklar.
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Lightsaber:
Widely known Star Wars jedi weapon. In fantasy that word is completely unknown. Result of using it in PS will be bigger part of people connecting it with SW, lesser taking it as it should be.
Magic:
Widely known phenomenon with orygins in various mythologies and such. Same mythologies that gave birth to fantasy. David\'s magic is commonly called illusion (and unlike \"magic\", this word is more likely to be connected with him), while all he does are tricks. Result of using word \"magic\" in PS will be a bigger part of people taking it as it should be, lesser part connecting it with David\'s tricks.
It is a matter of common sense.
Edit: It can be compared to having \"Darth Vader\" as a name. Would you allow that as well?
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Originally posted by Draklar
Lightsaber:
Widely known Star Wars jedi weapon. In fantasy that word is completely unknown. Result of using it in PS will be bigger part of people connecting it with SW, lesser taking it as it should be.
Magic:
Widely known phenomenon with orygins in various mythologies and such. Same mythologies that gave birth to fantasy. David\'s magic is commonly called illusion (and unlike \"magic\", this word is more likely to be connected with him), while all he does are tricks. Result of using word \"magic\" in PS will be a bigger part of people taking it as it should be, lesser part connecting it with David\'s tricks.
It is a matter of common sense.
Edit: It can be compared to having \"Darth Vader\" as a name. Would you allow that as well?
No I wouldn\'t but not for the reason your thinking. While I do agree that names of famous people and characters should not be used; we also have a rule about not including titles in our names and \"Darth\" is sith for \"Lord\".
Also your trying to justify yourself with an unfounded generalization based upon yourself. There are a great many people who either have not seen or do not like starwars and thus do not make the conectionbecause of that. There are also a great many people who understand that there is a difference between a starwars light saber, a real life light saber, and a magic light saber. Just like most people know the differance between ilusionary magic, fantasy magic, and magick.
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Where magic linked to fantasy is concerned I could argue that to me magic is mostly linked to sleight of hands and other such tricks as well as the well known card game magic the gathering TM and thus following the real life logic of some I should be unable to make different association than those when in game.
Oh and a storm trooper is a trooper that was formed for fast attacks or in other words to storm his target and yet again I do not connect those words with Lucas world most of the time (the exception being when I am watching Star Wars) but with the german military of second world war who had those kind of troops.
What I do connect with the world of Lucas are words like Jedi, Obi Wan, ... that have no common usage in other domains, for the rest hearing lightsabre doesn\'t make me think of Sci-fi at all times, it depends on what I am doing at that moment, hearing laser sabre does but then again it might be valid only for me.
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Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero
Ok... My logic had been the following chain: Draklar says, that when he hears word lightsaber, he thinks of Star Wars ==> Draklar always makes connections to real life, wherever he is ==> Draklar lives with reality ==> Draklar can\'t live in dreams. And thus, doesn\'t dream.
I\'ve often felt that dreams are simply the answers to questions we haven\'t yet learned to ask. -Special Agent Fox Mulder
There, I\'ve just made a connection to rl, and I\'m sure alot of you would have caught it without me naming the character who said the quote, and if anyone recognized that in Yliakum, then things might not go too well.
Also, according to that quote Exaero has said that Draklar is probably the most intelligent on the world, as if he doesn\'t dream he knows how to ask all questions. Does this sound like something you want in Yliakum?
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The problem is, if you are acting as if you had a mind of your character, who lives in medieval, you wouldn\'t know a word \"lightsabre\", as only your \"real\" self knows the \"lightsaber\" as it is in SW. If your RP character makes connections to real world, then you do not fully live your character.
I have to admit, that myself I never went as far, as losing touch with reality during RP, because almost all the time there are factors in real life which keep me from doing so. Therefore, all the thoughts I present here conclude to a theory, that on higher levels of RP there are no NON-RP words, except for those, which make no sense as words (for example: no vowels).
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This deserves to be flamed, but let me try to break it down
I\'ve often felt that dreams are simply the answers to questions we haven\'t yet learned to ask. -Special Agent Fox Mulder
You really believe everything they say in X-files enough, to use it as a reference? Maybe you should go fight with aliens... :P
There, I\'ve just made a connection to rl, and I\'m sure alot of you would have caught it without me naming the character who said the quote,
Umm... I wouldn\'t have recognized it...
and if anyone recognized that in Yliakum, then things might not go too well.
Indeed...
Also, according to that quote Exaero has said that Draklar is probably the most intelligent on the world, as if he doesn\'t dream he knows how to ask all questions. Does this sound like something you want in Yliakum
I didn\'t say that. Unless you make a connection to X-files, which I prefer not to do, because this way, I can call you the opposite of what I \"called\" Draklar to be, as far as you seem to dream too much. (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
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AHH Fire! Can some one give me a bucket of water?
haha, even in your lack of understanding you show understanding. And in answer to your question, no I don\'t believe everything in the X-Files enough to use it as a referance, but that particular quote is simply a way of stating what I\'ve always felt. Also, you say you wouldn\'t have recongnized that. Does that mean you consider yourself a lot of people, because my words were a lot of people probably recognized it. I may do well academically, but yes I do dream. Asking questions of the world isn\'t something I am very good at, even if I do well at school.
PS- I do believe in aliens ;-)
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Originally posted by Jakob
AHH Fire! Can some one give me a bucket of water?
haha, even in your lack of understanding you show understanding. And in answer to your question, no I don\'t believe everything in the X-Files enough to use it as a referance, but that particular quote is simply a way of stating what I\'ve always felt. Also, you say you wouldn\'t have recongnized that. Does that mean you consider yourself a lot of people, because my words were a lot of people probably recognized it. I may do well academically, but yes I do dream. Asking questions of the world isn\'t something I am very good at, even if I do well at school.
PS- I do believe in aliens ;-)
*Grabs a can of Zippo lighter fluid to add fuel to the fire*
I didn\'t recognise the quote and I\'m an X-files fan. Still your logic is flawed that statment could have come from
any of a large number of historical figures like Gandi, Confusias, Aristotol, Plato, Socrates, Docrates, and this is only nameing a few.
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That\'s exactly my point, even if my logic is flawed. It could have come from any number of RL or semi-RL personalities that could easily take some people out of an RP, or just as easily slide right past someone.
For the record, I\'m enjoying this too much to quit...
/me casts freeze on himself
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Originally posted by Jakob
That\'s exactly my point, even if my logic is flawed. It could have come from any number of RL or semi-RL personalities that could easily take some people out of an RP, or just as easily slide right past someone.
Umm... huh? (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
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he saw a lot of different places that that quote could have come from, and if he had thought of those in the middle of an RP, if he is like some people it could throw him for a second with a RL connection. Other people, apparently like you, would remain unaffected by a RL connection.
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Originally posted by Lutz
I like that! Uc Kri Ried Forn. More gobble ;)
Where can I find more about the Bobble language? I tried the book in the library in the last update and could not read it, now this one does not have the book there.
Can you help please?
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/me \'rhale\'s andrek... its all in the book
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Okay I say names like \"Luke Skywalker\", \"Uberl33t killer\" and \"Naruto666\" Should be banned. HOWEVER, My name, \"Antrax\", was changed. Now that name is from a character in ony one book that isn\'t THAT famous, and it isn\'t even copyrighted. Plenty of books have names like \"Dave\", \"Luke\", \"Hans\", \"DREY\"!, and banning every single name in every book would he hilariously ridiculous.
Why wouldn\'t there be anyone called \"Rand\" (From Wheel of Time) or \"Nest\" (From Running with the Demon) or Egwene, Elayne, Morgase, Kat (Notice simalarity to Cat), Doog, Buck, whatever whatever in PS? Banning those just makes it less realistic. And since the characters don\'t know this world that just solidified my point.
Names that arenot names deserve to be banned, like \"Fearless Warrior\", \"Uber sw0rdm4ster\", \"Hell Killer\", \"The Devil\" and so onl
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just though i should add, that now the books are on the shelves i think...
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If I may go slightly off topic: It seems like the terms Shakspearean English and Old English are being used interchangably here. Shakespearean English is in fact modern english, but with a few forms that are now considered antiquated. Chaucer is Middle English, and as a result can be very difficult to read, even with notations. Olde English, to must of us, would be completely incomprehensible.
Are we being asked to use Shakespearean English? If we are, I was not aware. No one does, not even the people who are, IMHO, the best RPers. I think it is enough not to use modern slang, modern terminology, or any refernce to something that does not exist outside of PS. Yes, what is important here is the RL connotation. A light sabre cannot exist in PS because of the image it will instantly bring to most people\'s minds. Distractions like that just make it harder to role-play, no matter how you justify it as fitting in with the setting.
My character will ocasionally use a Thee or a \'tis, if he is in the mood and if it seems more proper in the given situation, but AFAIK it is not required.
EDIT: Swear words would fit the setting as they are by no means modern terminology or modern slang, but they are dissalowed because of the desired family enviroment. Therefore, IMO substitute swearwords that are considered \"PG,\" such as Freak, Dang, Heck, Crap, etc, are perfectly acceptable despite being modern. A world without swearwords is completely implausible and we should treat these substitutes as the real thing.
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I really should create a list of PS swear/curse words.
Until then...
Darkend Crystals!
Off the the 5th level with you!
Kiss my stonebreaker.
Gods smite you!
Fornicate under the command of king with this list!
Any others that sound good? (if this is a family environment I love the idea, I simply was not cursing because it is not creative and shows a lack of intelligence... IRL I loose it too often and show my lack of thinking quickly too often. Here I always have plenty of time to think and type!-- As well I appologize if any took offence to the last one, I will know better if any complain about it next time).
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As well I figured it out with the help of others, you need to RC the shelves to find the books.
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Are you guys just making up these whacky rules on how your supposed to talk...or is it actually forced upon players. I couldnt see that going over well...
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Nothing is \"forced\" on anyone, but...
PlaneShift is first and foremost a role-playing game. In the interest of enhancing the role-playing experience, it helps if people use language that is appropriate to the setting.
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i didnt actually read the whole thread... im like that, i have a hat. but one thing and i did ask ralas about is greetings... like is \"Greetings\" the only medievil greeting, theres like hello... but things like hi or hey...?
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Well, I often use \"Greetings\" in real-life conversation, and since it fits in well with the theme of the game, I use it there as well.
The only other \"period\" greeting I seem to see is \"Well Met\".
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\"Hail!\" seems to work often, for me ;)