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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Platyna on February 26, 2005, 05:34:02 pm
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Dear citizens of Yliakum, as a guild leader of ELite I would like to
introduce us; Guild ELite is a very old guild that came to Yliakum from
some other world and hopes to find here a new home. We are apolitical
guild therefore even if all of us cares to have friends in other guilds we do
not accept any alliances or war declarations, all our members are free in
their doings since we hope that all of us are honourable and obeying the
law adult people therefore we will never force any of our members to hate
or like someone and wars/alliances are some way enforcement.
We are only accepting in ELite there people we know, so even if I already
got some requests, I had to refuse them - you may only join if you get an
recomendation from a guild member. Anyway we are usually friendly and
will gladly help you if we will be able to do so.
You may meet us on our forums: http://forum.elite.t28.net/.
Regards.
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wow...I can\'t think of anything to say....except...
Change the name it isn\'t roleplaying at all
Put more thought into your guild
Learn grammar structure
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Yeah, I must admit, the name is just blatant advertising. I thought it was a typo ingame at first to capitalise the \"EL\" but I see it\'s intentional now. :)
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Well a little more story perhaps, and some ranks, a website and well a little more structure.
Well I must agree with Moogie I thought the big L was a typo, well good luck anyway
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The first thing that came to my mind when I read the part about only recruiting people who have been recommended by a guild member... What if someone important wanted to join? Someone that you guys didn\'t even have any hopes for? Someone like Draklar, or Kada, or Monketh. Would you turn them down because they weren\'t recommended?
Also, that bit about it being an old guild that came from \"some other world\". Right.... First of all, that\'s just lousy writing \"some other world\". Second of all, If you were an old guild, wouldn\'t you already have ranks, and a real background, and a point, etc. etc? A guild like this wouldn\'t survive in any world I\'ve ever heard of.
For the rest, though, good luck putting it together.
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Originally posted by Phinehas
Someone like Draklar, or Kada, or Monketh. Would you turn them down because they weren\'t recommended?
Heh heh, thanks for the ego boost. :P
You guys really need to elaborate.
...and of course, the title \"ELite\" sounds more than a little arrogant.
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Originally posted by Monketh
Originally posted by Phinehas
Someone like Draklar, or Kada, or Monketh. Would you turn them down because they weren\'t recommended?
Heh heh, thanks for the ego boost. :P
You guys really need to elaborate.
Oh you know me, I\'m such a suck-up. :P
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Originally posted by Phinehas
The first thing that came to my mind when I read the part about only recruiting people who have been recommended by a guild member... What if someone important wanted to join? Someone that you guys didn\'t even have any hopes for? Someone like Draklar, or Kada, or Monketh. Would you turn them down because they weren\'t recommended?
Well if they are nice people and if someone in the guild knows them then they all are welcome to join! :)
If we don\'t have any hopes for these guys then what is your point anyway? ;)
Originally posted by Phinehas
Also, that bit about it being an old guild that came from \"some other world\". Right.... First of all, that\'s just lousy writing \"some other world\". Second of all, If you were an old guild, wouldn\'t you already have ranks, and a real background, and a point, etc. etc? A guild like this wouldn\'t survive in any world I\'ve ever heard of.
Well not everyone have such strong english and literary skills as you obviously have. If it makes you feel any better, let\'s just say that we formed a strong guild once, far away from Yliakum. While in this other world, we became slowly aware of a taint that was present there. As it grew more apparent, and harder to resist for us all, most of us decided to leave that world behind and seek another. One that is hopefully more beautiful and hospitable than we could ever imagine.
ELite is the name of our guild, it is not meant to be advertising and I hope you can see past it into our true strength.
We are the Elite. :P
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Wow, you truly are from another world! :D
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You may be the ELite, but you sure aren\'t elite.
As for the thing about Draklar, Monketh, and Kada. You obviously don\'t even know who they are. So never mind.
And you\'re background story is extremely unoriginal.
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Originally posted by Elise
ELite is the name of our guild, it is not meant to be advertising and I hope you can see past it into our true strength.
We are the Elite. :P
Oh, I get it now, the more caps in a name make it more intense. In that case.....
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Hmm... something like week ago when I wondered what would be reaction to this guild posting thread in here, I expected answers like Waylander\'s :P
Originally posted by Phinehas
As for the thing about Draklar, Monketh, and Kada. You obviously don\'t even know who they are. So never mind.
Platyna might know who I am though :P
And I might be mistaken, but I think the ELite comes from the game they used to play - EL (whatever that might be)
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The name is not advertizing anything, because what is the point of
advertizing the game we have left?
Name is a word game, has a great tradition and history behind, the name
remains as it used to be since the begining. We are now a Planeshift guild
but we are not newly created, there are guilds such like Andronnai that
exists in in many MMORPG games or even those who only exist on a web
forum or an IRC channel. And we are one of guilds like that. The name
comes from the the other game name too - because we were strongly
connected to the development of the other project, but mainly the name
comes from the friendship that connects us and keeps toghether - for each
other we are most important and \"elite\", it also comes from the our sense of
humour.
We have a website but since we changed our place to be it requires to be
edited, one of our guild members is working on it, so I didn\'t posted an URL
by purpose since it contains alot of materials related to some other game. I
posted that so we could meet each other better as the subject of this thread
says - to introduce us we do not expect anyone powerful and important to
join us, we really are not concerned into any politics and the rules about
being accepted in ELite are for everyone the same, no matter what is their
social or politic status in Yliakum - we are friends, we just want us to RP
and stay toghether.
About my grammar - English is not my native language even if I am trying
to keep it as good as possible.
Regards.
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EL = Eternal Lands.
Imagine a cross between run&escape, an rpg, and The Sims.
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Are you trying to scare us Monketh? Anyways are you serious about this I thought it was a joke personally.
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The truth would scare you alot more. :-)
Regards.
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my suggestion is add the prase \"yourself on fire\" on the end of your guilds name.... oh and take the E off and you have a suggestion of what you should do :)
multi region guilds dont work in planeshift for 1 reason...were underdevloped so where as most guilds in most games can crash land anywhere and shock troops.. here we have few big names and a almost ladder like line downwards... jumping in gets a stare and a laugh from members...its better to join an already here guild and learn :P ...exept that plant guy although beats me who he is
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The truth would scare you alot more. :-)
Scare us? wanna try? :D
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I don\'t think so if this is approriate forum to talk about other games. :-)
Regards.
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We talk bout other games more then once.
but still, some more guild info like if ur good neutral or evil and stuff like that would come in nicelly for the allready existing guilds, since we are RP-ers also, we would like to rp to you and your guild the proper way.
-Dorbian
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Originally posted by dorbian
but still, some more guild info like if ur good neutral or evil and stuff like that would come in nicelly for the allready existing guilds, since we are RP-ers also, we would like to rp to you and your guild the proper way.
-Dorbian
I think Platyna mentioned the state of their website...
Originally written by Platyna We have a website but since we changed our place to be it requires to be
edited, one of our guild members is working on it, so I didn\'t posted an URL
by purpose since it contains alot of materials related to some other game
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Alignement:
We are seeking for knowledge and the truth, we do not let our eyes to be
covered by harted or desire of power therefore our alignement is neutral.
Our guild is more like a old Scotland clan - we are like the family and we
are supporting each other and are loyal to each other. Guild is not ruled
but some way maintained by the guild masters who are considered as
heads of the family.
Elise is a fighter, she always defended us when needed and were taking
revenges if some of us got hurt.
Leeloo is an explorer - looking for the hidden places, leads us there and
stands hard on the ground so if someone of us needs an advice asks her.
Aelric is a manufacturer, alchemist and smith a silent person, the man of
work but always ready to give a good advice and bring solace to our hearts
I am a merchant, I was always taking care about guild finances. I was
also a jeweller and alchemist so if these skills will be ever implemented in
PS I will come back to them since they are my call.
Ranks are currently only Guild Masters and Guild Members, they will be
surely changed when all members will decide about their specializations
and the way in game.
Our philosophy is freedom and loyality that comes from a call of heart not
enforced rules.
RP story of our guild has to be rewritten and is not yet done.
Regards.
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So, it\'s a clan, and not a guild.
Mind you, most guilds on the net aren\'t anything like guilds, they\'re just the result of some people liking the name and not being stopped by a language or history buff in time.
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Actually you are wrong. It is a guild. And that we also like each other is
the other issue. Anyway I don\'t think so if in a RPG game someone would
accept in his guild a person he dislikes...
Regards.
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A guild, in the proper, non-game-corrupted sense, is basically a group set up to control a mercantile aspect of society.
Real world style guilds included things like Textile Guilds, Mining Guilds, Dairy Guilds, Mercenary Guilds, etc.
\"We are friends\" is not a guild, its a club.
I realize this is just the end result of linguistic corruption in the RP game community, and not your doing, but there is, in fact, a good term used in First Person Shooters, and, of course, the real world: Clan.
You\'re a Clan.
As for liking... in the real world, you\'d usually get HURT if you failed to join the proper guilds for your profession. Liking wasn\'t involved, only control of money.
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Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
Oh, I get it now, the more caps in a name make it more intense. In that case.....
Yeah we all know how much more popular you were when you had 6 Capitals in your name(FESFES)
originaly posted by Platyna
Our guild is more like a old Scotland clan
That is what Incenjucar meant. And a guild is more like a co-op than anything, so most any \"guild\" in planeshift is a clan.
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Originally posted by Platyna
Anyway I don\'t think so if in a RPG game someone would
accept in his guild a person he dislikes...
I think Incenjucar had something else in mind.
My interpretation: Most clans in the web are the result of attraction of newbs to the sound of an effective guild name, while afterwards many leaders of such guilds realize that people they accepted just do not have the bonds required to have a good guild.
Incenjucar: Tell me, if I\'m wrong...
P.S. Didn\'t see the two posts before mine...
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So could you specify these bonds?
Regards.
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Fix you? Hmnn... Where to find a Scissor Smith...
My point is:
REAL guilds are all about a -job-. They\'re akin to unions. It\'s good pay and good hours, with low competition.
Clans are about familial and alliance connections. Liking someone (usually via marriage) is how you get in to a clan.
Of course, many clans are really more like clubs, but they\'re much closer than \'guilds\' are to how it works.
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Originally posted by Platyna
So could you specify these bonds?
Regards.
Trust, dedication, self-sacrifice for guildmate\'s good. Probably some more.
Fix you? Hmnn... Where to find a Scissor Smith...
Shoot... wrong words... :D
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Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero
Trust, dedication, self-sacrifice for guildmate\'s good. Probably some more.
And this is what ELite undoubtedly possessed.
Regards.
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Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
Wow, you truly are from another world! :D
Aren\'t we all? ?( We\'ll I\'m a lore newbie so I may be confused.
Originally posted by dorbian
but still, some more guild info like if ur good neutral or evil and stuff like that would come in nicelly for the allready existing guilds, since we are RP-ers also, we would like to rp to you and your guild the proper way.
It\'s not obvious we are neutral? :P But we have just arrived, so it may take a moment before we find our place in this world. All we ask is little patience. :)
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Does this guild involve grunts too :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Platyna
Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero
Trust, dedication, self-sacrifice for guildmate\'s good. Probably some more.
And this is what ELite undoubtedly possessed.
Regards.
A goal, guidelines, an original way of thinking.
Guilds are there for people to come in and chose how he wants to play...that is why I get slightly annoyed when new players start up guilds without an original idea
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We are not 31337 nor eLiTe. We has our name in the form it is now always.
And about economy sense - we were one of most powerful and well
developed guild in that other game, even if we were not so big (we have
only 20 members) we kept in our hands most of game money. You think
that for example a fighter not fits to us? But most of precious bargains
comes from fighting, also alchemists and manufacturers rarely has high
combat skills, so if we had to mine on a PK map or dangerous location,
who were guarding us? Considering that for example Laanx dungeon has
an army of monsters to pass by to get to platinum, if you look on economy
sense - fighters were and will be useful. We always were well organized
the difference was only that organization came from the will and choice not
enforcement, we had enought resources to even keep \"freeloaders\" in our
guild but no one ever decided to be one, and if someone ever accepted
any help from guild, for example to get started after character wipe when s
he \"stand on her own legs\" were actively helping into developing guild
resources and guild itself. We are not just friendly bunch of people
spending their time on chit chatting and wandering along. And if ever in PS
will have player developed economy - because currently it seems not - I
have to sell all income items to NPCs, our old skills - well we are very
happy most of them and even more are on skill list and will be implemented
:-D. we will surely come back to our old functions and will try to be
successful guild of merchants as we used to be.
Regards.
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Word of advice. How many games you have been a part of and how long you have been around elsewhere means absolutely nothing here at PS.
I would suggest a guild name change. I can see that you have a good guild here but your name will ruin it\'s reputation as this is a serious rp game.
As far as everyone else is concerned: Quit Spamming -.-
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Originally posted by Phalanx
Are you trying to scare us Monketh? Anyways are you serious about this I thought it was a joke personally.
Why would I be trying to scare anybody?
Yes, I\'m serious. I don\'t know of any other games with the abbreviation EL and that\'s the best way I could think of to describe it.
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Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
Word of advice. How many games you have been a part of and how long you have been around elsewhere means absolutely nothing here at PS.
I mentioned only that what I had been suggested or asked to mention
because it is an introduction of my guild, so if anyone wanted some
further information or raise some discussion related to the guild ELite
I will gladly answer and explain since this is the purpose of that thread.
Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
I would suggest a guild name change. I can see that you have a good guild here but your name will ruin it\'s reputation as this is a serious rp game.
We would like to build our reputation on our doings not the name or any
other general outfit. If it is serious RP game (which we hope is, otherwise
we wouldn\'t move here) why our history and tradition cannot be
respected? Of course we are ready to earn this respect and prove we are
worth it if only given a chance. Elite as the name of the guild is purely
methaphore, and rather is made according to the part of definition of elite
that says:
Elites establish cultural canons, which are more widely agreed-upon within
the elite and more generally ignored or resented among the non-elite.
[...]
Elite education is sceptical and inquiring, hard-headed, intolerant of sham,
demanding and unsentimental. Common education is designed to produce
large numbers of useful and loyal citizens at low cost. Publicly financed
elite education is a symptom of a successful and confident society that is
prepared for self-criticism.
So it rather points to us being unique and most important for each other,
also points on that there is not so many of us - because we always were
a small guild comparing to others.
And uppercase L comes from some technical issue and confusion while
setting a guild tag on that other game, we get used to it and it became our
tradition.
Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
As far as everyone else is concerned: Quit Spamming -.-
I have no idea how my thread made in the good faith and as an act of
courtesy - since it is in good taste to introduce yourself if you are trying
to join the new community can be considered as spam. Anyway if my posts
in any way bothers other forum members I will not protest if they will be
deleted - I meant no offence nor annoyance while posting this thread.
Regards.
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Aendar wasn\'t talking to you when he said that, Platyna. He\'s asking everyone else on this thread to stop spamming your thread up. :P
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Oh I am sorry for misunderestanding.
Regards.
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As I have promised, first part of our history written by Annastina:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v315/mentaldrift/banerEL.jpg)
Far away from Yliakum, in the distant ether, was another world. Here life was tranquil, the people
content. Wealth was abundant, and poverty was nearly unknown. The gods smiled upon this world.
Troublemakers were dealt divine retribution for their misdeeds.
As the people slowly grew in skill, they found it advantageous to group together. These groups began
forming into official guilds. It was a great honor to be accepted as a member of a guild. It was an honor
one wore proudly for all to see.
There was adventure as well. People from other worlds came here seeking a better life. Some were
elevated by the gods to a demigod status. Their power was used for the protection of all people, and
would be taken away if abused. Life was good and getting better everyday.
Then came the great disaster.
The world was destroyed. All the people had fled. In time some returned, others chose never to return.
Those that did found their world changed. All they had was now lost forever and they had to start over
with nothing.
A few additional demigods were chosen. Their awesome powers to be used only in time of great need.
Two were named Platyna and Leeloo. Both were bound by divine law to answer the summons of the
common man. They were tested greatly.
Their guild was one of the most prestigious and wealthy in all the land. They put themselves above the
petty wars of the other guilds. Always politely refusing to enter alliances.
Their number also included the mighty Elise, who was their best fighter, but had a kind heart. Recently
they added new members, Adyna the world\'s greatest lorekeeper.
Regards.
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Ok, the one thing that really jumped out at me was that, as cool as it is using hidden references to the other game and stuff, perhaps there should be more to your story than just having it be one big allegory. That\'s just a personal preference I guess.
Other than that... why are there Gobbles(man, I hate that name) on your guild pic?
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Look, why you have to flat everything so much? We came from some
other game, we can\'t just get rid of it and erase since it is part of our
history. We are not ashamed because of our history, and we would like it to
be our real history not just some bla bla.
And why on Role Playing Game forum you have to treat \"the other world\"
as hidden reference to anything? We are Role Playing...
And even if it is reference we have hidden it for purpose of Role Playing
Also, I don\'t know, you are trying to negate that other games besides
Planeshift exists? They do, and most of us surely played some other game
before joining PS, but we joined PS, we play PS, we are on PS forum
because we think PS is the best choice. So what is the issue here, I really
can\'t comprehend that, your post were in the tone like we would advertize
something. So if we are advertizing EL because it is so great game...why
we have moved to PS? And that what we call \"references\" is our history
it tells everyone where we have came from, and we have came from some
other world, I prefer to call it like that, calling it simply \"other game\" is some
way out of RPing and flat IMHO...
And we have Gobbles on our banner because one of our artists...hmm...
likes them...;-) I think we will include these monsters in next parts of our
history; there will be one story telling about a great war and exile and then
next chapter - The Lands of Yliakum, and we will continue it on our
website that is now being worked on.
Regards.
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It is generally considered bad form to transfer between realities.
For instance: You do not carry a character over from Voltron to a D&D game. You do not have a cousin in Azeroth, who\'s an ex-member of Shinra, who dated Chun-Li, and who has been on a Yoshi ride with Sonic the Hedgehog. You are not from Sesame Street, have not taken a cat nap in the Oval Office, have not helped Bob from Reboot save the Matrix from Aliens, Predators, and Terminators, nor have you saved Sailor Moon from Gannon. Sponge Bob is NOT your grandpa.
General rule, new game, new character, or at least a wholly new -version- of the character.
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I have no objection with people continuing on with their history from another game as long as they can explain exactly how it fits in. \"Just appearing\" from another plane of existance or from another world doesn\'t cover it :P If you can explain in detail how you came to these lands then great. If not then you\'re pushing your luck with having a believable backround. Although a believable backround is not vital to a guilds success, I think it\'s one of the things which I think seperates the great guilds from the average guilds. Also, the guild name ELite isn\'t so great unless you can fit that into your backround as well, simply because it has no meaning if it doesn\'t.
I don\'t like players who suddenly write themselves in as demigods, or people with awsome power and greatness etc. without any logical explination either :)
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If they were from a Planescape game, maybe.. heh.
But trick is, you have to explain why you\'re now as low as everyone else. Being \"Elite\", aside from sounding like you\'re just bursting in your need to use l33t speak, suggests you\'re the cream of the crop. Draklar and Kixie and such, sure, -they- could be called Elite... heck, I\'d wonder if anyone without a Ring of the Past or whatever it was should have that title yet (I don\'t have one myself, I gave away all my Crystals before leaving MB for awhile, heh).
And yes, the whole \"Grar, I am a five thousand year old whatchama\" thing is cheesy. It would be as bad as me pulling in my God Slaying Eternal character from another game. At least in cliaming his abilities. But heck, I\'ll probably use an aspect of his personality eventually. Already playing an aspect of one of his buddies.
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The name has been already explained. And as I told this is the first part of
our history. We will write next part which will explain how we came here.
Elite doesn\'t mean only 31337 sp33ch of dumb kids using AOL instant
messenger, and in various communities, including RL ones there are
various elites - depends of observator\'s criteria.
Regards.
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Yes, but general rule, being elite requires being, well, elite. Seperating yourselves from the crowd through skill and experience. Either way, it speaks of arrogance, particularly when you dub yourselves such. Expect reactions along the likes in the game itself.
And realistically, do you think the Carpenter\'s Union would have called itself the Carpenter\'s Onion if there was a typo early in its creation? The same concept would go for your guild. Breaking the fourth wall isn\'t good RP, and referencing a video game, especially by -title-, is shattering the poor thing when you\'re in a fantasy world of different design.
I personally honestly don\'t care. I just love explaining things.
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Originally posted by Incenjucar
Yes, but general rule, being elite requires being, well, elite. Seperating yourselves from the crowd through skill and experience. Either way, it speaks of arrogance, particularly when you dub yourselves such. Expect reactions along the likes in the game itself.
Indeed, and it would really help you if you just paid attention to what people are saying, rather than being totally defensive.
What I said about your story was honest criticism, not a desire to flame you. Although, after your response, I do have a desire to flame you, so watch out.
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I really dont mind the game migration and full heartedly agree with xordan on this one, however your name is a problem,\"ELite\",i know your attached the name, but its a bit out of the bounds of Planeshift.i\'m not trying to be destrucivley critical, just i beg that you consider a Synonym, perhaps in moving to the new world, you find that the name is a bit to out there and eye catching, so you quickly cange to a more uniform name of meaning perhaps being creative in deriving your name from \"ELite\" like \"Emense layers in the economy\" :P
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Originally posted by druke
so you quickly cange to a more uniform name of meaning perhaps being creative in deriving your name from \"ELite\" like \"Emense layers in the economy\" :P
Ignoring all the other typos, can I just point out that it\'s spelt \"immense\"?