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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: Xordan on February 28, 2005, 01:20:23 am
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I got an email from a friend today. I\'ve uploaded it so you can read it, and forward it to other people if you wish.
http://www.the-cabal.com/email.txt (http://www.the-cabal.com/email.txt)
Personally I don\'t think these people should get a second chance at all, so I\'m not too happy that these guys have been released. I\'ve heard that some people think otherwise though. Any opinions here?
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They should have been given the death penalty.
Pity they don\'t live in Texas....
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Damn, that\'s just wrong...really wrong. I don\'t think people should be given a second chance over something so terrible. Yeah, if they stole a candy from a store, you could possibly let that slide...but torture and murder?!?!? Hell no. Who is the arse doing this? Lady Justice Butler-Slosshas...I think SHE should be thrown in Jail for what she is doing...it is so wrong...
Xordan: Can you forward this email to me? stewgopher6345 at hotmail dot com. I will then forward it to anyone who wants it next.
EDIT: Heh, Aendar...I should bring them back over here and give them an \"informal\" Death Penalty...*Faldrok starts singing \"Texas, Our Texas.\"...*
Edited for language.
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Well, I guess my location gives away my opinion...
But I have to say, I\'ve never liked the concept of \"second chances\". It just seems to me, you screw up, you pay the price. No matter how little or big that is.
Eh. :baby:
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I am not from Texas...but I would have executed them on the spot -_-
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Originally posted by Kiern
But I have to say, I\'ve never liked the concept of \"second chances\". It just seems to me, you screw up, you pay the price. No matter how little or big that is.
I agree. Those kids should serve a life sentance, or execution. If you take someone\'s life, you should pay for it with your own.
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Ever hear of an eye for an eye?
I think that would be adequate punishment.
(edit:typo)
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Yeah, I strongly believe in an eye for an eye. I\'ve even talked to people about it, (including a judge) and they think it is immoral and inhumane. Well, what about the deed of the first person? I mean, if I went out and cut out someone\'s eyeballs, and then ripped out their tongue and waited until they choked on their own blood...it would be considered immoral and inhumane. Being the one doing the deed, I wouldn\'t expect sympathy and passion - I would expect death. So, why not kill me the same way I killed the other person? It\'s fair and all...
Back the the original topic, I still think they should spend the rest of their life in Jail/Prison or get executed. There is NO excuse for taking the life of an innocent or random person. I act a little more reasonably towards someone who killed a Serial Killer or someone who killed their family. I would likely do the same thing. But, what these kids did to that 3-year-old is just terrible. I think I\'ve showed my standing on this more than enough...
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That is a truly terrible story... I especially hate seeing anything happening to young children (I have two of my own) but at ten years old these kids are just too young for the death penalty... and that is the easy way out in the first place. I do think they should be imprisoned their whole lives though for such a crime. That them think about what they have done.. and they should not recieve new identities either.
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That is terrible, I think they should be locked away for life while only being given the bare minimun to survive and so suffering years of pain, anguish and guilt.
If I ever find these two I shall make sure their lives end up as bad as I can arrange for it to be (without it being illegal of course)
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better be glad im not in charge i would bring the chair to court with me.
anyone got butter? want popcorn for the trial
humm didnt see they where only ten years old till just now..................now i dont know if that changes my mind or not, that would be a tough choice. either way they wouldnt go free
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I think releasing them wouldn\'t have been as bad. But by offering them new identities they are letting them live the rest of their lives free of the reminder and thus the guilt of what they did.
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Agreed... They should be reminded daily of what they did and the people they hurt because of their extreme stupidity.
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I do not belive in taking somones life no matter what they did. They shouldn\'t get life since they where only 10 years too. I saythey should have 40 more years in there.
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I am completely against the death penatly too... and normally against life in prison. But this case is a little different. I dont know how remorseful the kids are.. and im not sure if I care... but never would they go free. You cannot put a time limit on what they did... and how do we know if they will ever be better.. because they must have some mental problems... I say life in prison with the possibility of Parrol after anywhere from 35-50 years... but not free. Whether they spend the time in a half way house or whatever... they should not have their freedom.
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i say its alll a lie.
people make up things and make people feel sorry so they go into those lame chain emails. people like to see how far they get around the world ect...
did i even read it right ?
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1. This happened a long time ago (1993).
2. They were released sometime around 2001.
3. You have to be pretty messed up to torture someone to death at age 10, and presumably the judge would make decisions based on any sort of motivations, other influences, etc. In short, given that decent psychological assessment has been conducted, keeping someone in jail from age 10 onwards seems pretty messed up too.
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blah!
so they get out free? whats to say someone doesnt figure who they are? i think once someone knows.... bam!
i don\'t see how 10 year olds can be so brutal, i mean they must be very screwed up to play with human life, sure when i was 10 i killed birds and snakes... and other no cute little animals :) but playing with human life?
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Human race, what can u expect from it? All! Even this... X(
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That if someone has face, two hands and two legs it doesn\'t means it is not
a monster. And monsters like that should be removed from the society
permanently. Second chance? If at 10 years old they has such instincts?
Even animals not kill when not needed.
Regards.
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Theres no excuse for why the penalty shouldn\'t have been longer or why it shouldn\'t have been execution. People can say oh I don\'t believe in that kind of stuff, it isn\'t right blah blah blah...but really you can\'t make that decision until you yourself get to experience your child being dragged off and brutally slaughtered...then I think you have the right to make the decision to what happens to those who have done it. That goes for any other type of murder.
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Iron Maiden for them...
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Originally posted by davo
i say its alll a lie.
people make up things and make people feel sorry so they go into those lame chain emails. people like to see how far they get around the world ect...
did i even read it right ?
lol, this was all over the british news for ages :P
Personally I think being locked up until you die is worse than being killed on the spot ;) I\'d rather die straight out than have to wait for 60 years in boredom to die.
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Yes, but the State has to feed them - it means whole British society has to
pay for their cable TV.
Regards.
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Well I for one am strictly anti-death.
However I am not anti violence.
This story is truly disturbing and sad. It shows the worst of human kind. The sad fact that mankind could do something so horrible and revolting at such a young age of influence just amazes me and leaves me speechless. However I think it is best to be the bigger man and step down.
Death is something I think is highly underrated these days. We have no idea what awaits us over the edge of life. No one has come back and given us proof of what awaits us all inevitably. So only one thing is certain, and that is we don\'t come back. Ever.
What business we have on the plain of existance is our business. It should stay here. Killing someone for something they have done in this world is completely illogical to me. It\'s as logical to me to tell someone to dive off a cliff on a foggy night, after that person has stole a candy bar.
But enough of my preaching. I think that they should remain anonymous. If they aren\'t it will lead to nothing but more killing. They were wrong for what they have done, but they should not serve anything more or less than complete banishment. The government should keep a keen eye on these men, but the rest of society has no right to take justice into their own hands and slaughter 2 corrupt men for something they have done as children.
So keep these men out of sight and out of mind. We can only prevent more death, not invoke it by taking rogue justice.
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Reminds me of a case in England or USA not sure, where two boys also around 10 or so dragged of a boy younger than them (can\'t remember his age) and raped him, next day they were playing on the same street, the court did nothing... although they moved later on.
But really... two kids at the age of 10? very disturbing indeed, and well I believe in the saying \"an eye for an eye\" as some mentioned, yet I for one would rather see them rot in jail... as death penalty is just a few moment and then you\'re death...
*funny note, in Denmark a lifetime is 16 years. Which is also the highest penalty you can get (this is in my knowledge only though)...
Also we had a case about one called Peter Lundin (Danish-American) who killed his wife and his two small sons, he got 16 years... I think they should just have killed him :rolleyes:
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Theres no excuse for why the penalty shouldn\'t have been longer or why it shouldn\'t have been execution. People can say oh I don\'t believe in that kind of stuff, it isn\'t right blah blah blah...but really you can\'t make that decision until you yourself get to experience your child being dragged off and brutally slaughtered...then I think you have the right to make the decision to what happens to those who have done it. That goes for any other type of murder.
Do not forget these are just 10 year old boys here... 10 is too young to die for a crime. And if they dont understand the magnitude of what they did... let them rot in a prison cell for a good amount of time.
But really... two kids at the age of 10? very disturbing indeed, and well I believe in the saying \"an eye for an eye\" as some mentioned, yet I for one would rather see them rot in jail... as death penalty is just a few moment and then you\'re death...
Please tell me you are IC when you say you believe in a eye for an eye. If you are OOC then I have to ask how closed minded are you? I hate to even see that... Look what the people who believe in that have done throughout history, they just kill because it was the right thing to do... Are you fanatical or just a crazy Christian :).
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put them in the centre of a football pitch with no way out surrounded by the hundreds of thousands of parents who have lost their children through rape and murder.
letting them die by standard death penalty is not enough, they should have been teared limb from limb alive.
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Kixie, it is not about morality of killing etc. it is about social security, if some
person has such instincts it is not a human, it is not even an animal, it is
very dangerous monster what should be removed from the society ASAP to
not poison it anymore. In nature everything ill and weak is removed, we
are human, we can take care about ill and weak members of our society
but we can\'t take care of such monsters, we can\'t feed them, give them
any priviledges and what is most important - we can\'t let them to be alive
or free. Punishment for such crime such be an example and warning for
other who even if has such instincts to never let them out.
Regards.
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Are you fanatical or just a crazy Christian
Neither, I just have no compassion for other people who does things like this, no matter what age or gender. (little note, I hate all kinds of religion, and I think people who worships god or other diety\'s, are idiots who believes everything that they hear).
If you are OOC then I have to ask how closed minded are you?
I am OOC, and let us just say that I think differently than others ;), you decide whether that is close minded or not :)
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Originally posted by Valbrandr
Theres no excuse for why the penalty shouldn\'t have been longer or why it shouldn\'t have been execution. People can say oh I don\'t believe in that kind of stuff, it isn\'t right blah blah blah...but really you can\'t make that decision until you yourself get to experience your child being dragged off and brutally slaughtered...then I think you have the right to make the decision to what happens to those who have done it. That goes for any other type of murder.
Do not forget these are just 10 year old boys here... 10 is too young to die for a crime. And if they dont understand the magnitude of what they did... let them rot in a prison cell for a good amount of time.
But really... two kids at the age of 10? very disturbing indeed, and well I believe in the saying \"an eye for an eye\" as some mentioned, yet I for one would rather see them rot in jail... as death penalty is just a few moment and then you\'re death...
Please tell me you are IC when you say you believe in a eye for an eye. If you are OOC then I have to ask how closed minded are you? I hate to even see that... Look what the people who believe in that have done throughout history, they just kill because it was the right thing to do... Are you fanatical or just a crazy Christian :).
Like I said you have to be the spot of the mother or father, sister or brother, you need to experience it before you start saying no I would never do such things and I am against it because I bet 9/10 you would say put a bullet in that guys head!
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My comments were not meant to offend you... but I am very serious in the questions I ask. No one wants to see people die (well, unless maybe you are George Bush, lol/jk) but should we kill someone because they killed? It will have no affect on those who kill to place extreme penatlies on killing. I believe most people will kill either way... whether or not the severity of the penalty. That sounds to me like going to war to create peace. True peace through war will never happen. Nor using death to prevent death. Europe has already figured this out (Sometimes I wish I lived in Europe). And I will also have you know.. that because of the appeals system we spend more money trying to execute people then imprisioning them their whole lives.
These people who do such things should not get the easy road out. Make them stay alive and live with what they have done. More killing will do nothing other than hurt our progressing society...
Edit: I am a parent... and if it happened it would be the most terrible of things. But taking their life could never fill the void lost. It would do nothing for anyone... other then 2 being dead instead of one.
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No offence taken, and well in one way I agree with you but in another I disagree. Well of course it won\'t fill the void lost, but still it wouldn\'t be nice to know that in a few years he will be out on the streets again, as you know I live in Europe or Denmark more precisely and here they will get out like in no time, NO MATTER WHAT they do... and well our prisons are like a hotel, with tv and comfortable bed and so on. So well in the part of Europe I live in, I don\'t see that as much of a punishment :S
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Originally posted by Platyna
Kixie, it is not about morality of killing etc. it is about social security, if some
person has such instincts it is not a human, it is not even an animal, it is
very dangerous monster what should be removed from the society ASAP to
not poison it anymore. In nature everything ill and weak is removed, we
are human, we can take care about ill and weak members of our society
but we can\'t take care of such monsters, we can\'t feed them, give them
any priviledges and what is most important - we can\'t let them to be alive
or free. Punishment for such crime such be an example and warning for
other who even if has such instincts to never let them out.
Regards.
I\'m sure thats easy to say here, but go to death row and actually talk to people who have killed before. You\'ll see that they aren\'t that different. All humans harbor the ability to kill one of their own kind. To mutilate, to destroy. It is amazingly closeminded of people to sit here on the internet like these people are monsters, when we aren\'t very different at all. We all have these emotions and feelings and the only difference between us and a Ted Bundy is emotional stresses and enviorments.
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Originally posted by Kixie
Originally posted by Platyna
Kixie, it is not about morality of killing etc. it is about social security, if some
person has such instincts it is not a human, it is not even an animal, it is
very dangerous monster what should be removed from the society ASAP to
not poison it anymore. In nature everything ill and weak is removed, we
are human, we can take care about ill and weak members of our society
but we can\'t take care of such monsters, we can\'t feed them, give them
any priviledges and what is most important - we can\'t let them to be alive
or free. Punishment for such crime such be an example and warning for
other who even if has such instincts to never let them out.
Regards.
I\'m sure thats easy to say here, but go to death row and actually talk to people who have killed before. You\'ll see that they aren\'t that different. All humans harbor the ability to kill one of their own kind. To mutilate, to destroy. It is amazingly closeminded of people to sit here on the internet like these people are monsters, when we aren\'t very different at all. We all have these emotions and feelings and the only difference between us and a Ted Bundy is emotional stresses and enviorments.
Why are you defending killers guilty of their crimes? Sure they aren\'t that different but you know what the difference is they did commit the crime...they made a choice...blame it on stress, blame it on a voice in their head...it doesn\'t matter they did the crime and they are monsters, murders, idiots and it is right for us not to sympathize with them and hope their lives are a living hell. If someone killed me son, I don\'t think I would be able to say oh they aren\'t that different they have emotional distress take it easy on them -_- and if I did say that..I would be a bad father
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Originally posted by Phalanx
Originally posted by Kixie
Originally posted by Platyna
Kixie, it is not about morality of killing etc. it is about social security, if some
person has such instincts it is not a human, it is not even an animal, it is
very dangerous monster what should be removed from the society ASAP to
not poison it anymore. In nature everything ill and weak is removed, we
are human, we can take care about ill and weak members of our society
but we can\'t take care of such monsters, we can\'t feed them, give them
any priviledges and what is most important - we can\'t let them to be alive
or free. Punishment for such crime such be an example and warning for
other who even if has such instincts to never let them out.
Regards.
I\'m sure thats easy to say here, but go to death row and actually talk to people who have killed before. You\'ll see that they aren\'t that different. All humans harbor the ability to kill one of their own kind. To mutilate, to destroy. It is amazingly closeminded of people to sit here on the internet like these people are monsters, when we aren\'t very different at all. We all have these emotions and feelings and the only difference between us and a Ted Bundy is emotional stresses and enviorments.
Why are you defending killers guilty of their crimes? Sure they aren\'t that different but you know what the difference is they did commit the crime...they made a choice...blame it on stress, blame it on a voice in their head...it doesn\'t matter they did the crime and they are monsters, murders, idiots and it is right for us not to sympathize with them and hope their lives are a living hell. If someone killed me son, I don\'t think I would be able to say oh they aren\'t that different they have emotional distress take it easy on them -_- and if I did say that..I would be a bad father
I\'m not defending their actions in any way. But it\'s amazing how different your tune would be if your son was the murderer.
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Trust me, my tune would be all the same...I would love my son still but I wouldn\'t defend his actions in anyway...its not good to install the idea you can do such a crime but ill be on your side still..
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There are bad sides about Death Penalty, actually there are some of those to are executed who actually were innocents... so the Death Penalty is not the best way to do this...
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Originally posted by Phalanx
Trust me, my tune would be all the same...I would love my son still but I wouldn\'t defend his actions in anyway...its not good to install the idea you can do such a crime but ill be on your side still..
You would tell the world to tear your own son limb from limb? Some how I do not beleive that. But then again I don\'t know you that well. But if I did, and you told me that in person, then I would take you as psycho as any serial killer or sexual predator.
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Look. I can underestand, for example, (it was a known case) a person who
had a restaurant and killed people who were blackmailing him with hurting
him and his family if he will not pay them every week - it is very common in
Poland. Furthermore - I do support him. But those monsters are
10 years old kids, they didn\'t even wanted to rob him, they just wanted to
beat a person who had no chance to defend himself, and at age 10 years
old they knew very well they did wrong and will be punished for it therefore
tried to hide their doings. So you can\'t use an argument that they didn\'t
knew what they are doing while they knew it very, very well.
Regards.
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all i have say:
If you kill me, I WILL kill you back!
nuff said
:D
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I agree with Phalanx. We have all experienced the sensation of wanting to kill someone - some more than others. The only thing that separates us from the murderers and serial killers is that we have self-control. Once that self-control breaks, you cross the line. After you have crossed the line, you should expect to be punished.
Originally posted by Valbrandr
No one wants to see people die (well, unless maybe you are George Bush, lol/jk) but should we kill someone because they killed? It will have no affect on those who kill to place extreme penatlies on killing. I believe most people will kill either way... whether or not the severity of the penalty.
I have to disagree with you here. You are basically saying that laws are pointless, hmm? The Death Penalty has stopped many people from committing crimes, such as murder. Hell, if there wasn\'t any punishment for murder, I can assure you that there would be a hell of a lot more deaths around the World. Like I said earlier, it is human nature to want to kill because we, too, have animal instincts, and we are still participating in the survival of the fittest. If you are weak, you lose. No one wants to lose; hence, people kill. Although, what they don\'t release is that, in reality, they are the true losers.
Self-control, people. That is the real subject here. Either you have it or you don\'t. Either you crossed the line, or you haven\'t. Either you die, or you live to see another day...just prolonging your life until you die.
I am such a pessimist.
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This sort of thing is what bothers me about the law system in general. There are other cases (while maybe not as extreme) where people under 18 do terrible things and get off or rediculously small sentences because they are young.
Personally, I think all crimes should be judged the same. First degree murder (and whatever other charges would be brought up) should always equal life inprisonment (25 years?). At that time they could re-evaluate if individuals such as this were mentally stable enough to re-enter society.
I personally don\'t agree with the death penalty, since after their sentence, they still would have many years of their life to live properly.
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Faldrok I never said to get rid of any laws. I merely said that teh death penalty does not stop people from killing.
Like I said earlier, it is human nature to want to kill because we, too, have animal instincts, and we are still participating in the survival of the fittest. If you are weak, you lose. No one wants to lose; hence, people kill. Although, what they don\'t release is that, in reality, they are the true losers.
I am guessing you are a conservative. Human Nature to kill? What are you talking about? And in addition there is no such thing as survival of the fittest anymore.. everyone survives one way or another.
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Well, the way you made it sound, it seemed like you thought punishment, like the Death Penalty, is pointless when instead, it prevents some people, like me, from killing someone.
And you know damn well what I am talking about. I know a lot of people that have told me that they want to kill someone, but they don\'t want to to go Prison or get the Death Penalty. I, myself, have even thought to kill someone, but I used my better judgement and decided against it. So, don\'t tell me that Humans don\'t want to kill, and don\'t say that the Death Penalty doesn\'t work because I can assure you that it works.
Survival of the Fittest? Sure, it lives on, and it will live on for eternity. Obviously, it has been made super easy nowadays and almost no one fails because of the ease, but some do. Take Africa for example. They don\'t have enough food to give everyone there a well-balanced and nutritious meal. Some of them (maybe) kill others just to take their food, or they have thought about it. What about War? It\'s either kill or be killed. I consider that Survival of the Fittest...don\'t you? So, yes, I agree. Survival of the Fittest isn\'t as prominent now as it was say, 500 years ago, but it still lives on and always will.
Just to clarify. I\'m not a conservatist. I think what I think about any subject I want to think about. If my views seem convservative at times, then so be it. I don\'t classify myself as anything but varied.
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What about War? It\'s either kill or be killed. I consider that Survival of the Fittest...don\'t you?
I think war is stupid personally... Too often I believe it has nothing to do with the ability to survival but the ability to flourish. It is not, \"if we do not do this we cannot make it\".. It is, \"Hey, if we take that oil over there we would be able to make a helluva lot more money.\"
But getting back to the case: So you think that two ten year old boys who could not control their rage (or whatever) as someone who possesed better rationale should get the death penalty? I do agree that the unmentionable crime that the boys did warrented life in prision. But killing ten years olds I can never agree with.
PS: Maybe I am different but I have never truly felt like killing someone (Well, other than sep :) )... maybe I have felt like beating the crap out of someone.. on many occasions but never kill. And personally the reason I do not kill is because for one I can control my anger and that is just not the type of person I am. It has nothing to do with the punishments, I would just try to get away with it as all do and if I were caught and would appeal, appeal, and appeal. Wasteing everyones tax money.
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I am against the death penenalty for all crimes, for one reason. If govemernts learn that they can make pepole obey them by putting people to death.
Saying that I still cannot condone the death penalty, perhaps the rest of there life in a physcoligical clinic and only let out when there is no chance they will hurt anyone.
I think releasing them wouldn\'t have been as bad. But by offering them new identities they are letting them live the rest of their lives free of the reminder and thus the guilt of what they did.
That depends on the person. I have a guilt complex and could never forget something that bad.
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I\'d like to point out that our whole society revolves around violence. It\'s introduced to our children from a very youg age. How old were you when you had your first waterpistol? Alot of childrens TV programs are violent in nature. Toys, especially for boys, are violent in nature. People go paintballing. Alot of computer games are violent. People enjoy shooting each other on FPS games. You kill things on RTS, RPGS etc.
So it is human nature to like violence. It\'s just a past instinct which will probably never go away. We have evolved to have self-control, but also evolution has allowed us to \'explore\' our violent nature, making it become pleasurable as well as just an instinct. Some people lack the self control. Some people take less pleasure from it. The killers are the people who take alot of pleasure from it, and who have little self control.
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Xordan: You basically said what I\'ve been saying... :rolleyes: :P
Valbrandr: Get the 10-year-olds out of your head. They AREN\'T 10 years old anymore. If this happened in 1993 like Dfryer said, then they would be around 22 depending on when their birthday is, when the crime occured, etc. etc. But, the thing that makes me want them to go to the Death Penalty is that they KNEW what they were doing was wrong 12 years ago. They could have easily thought \"I want to torture some random kid, but I will decide against it.\"
That brings me to another point. Did the two kids know the 3-year-old that they killed? If not, then it wasn\'t self-control they are lacking - it is a sane mine. I don\'t see how a 10-year-old boy can be enemies with a 3-year-old boy. There is just no logic in that. So, I am thinking that they took this kid randomly. Random deaths, to me, are worse than plotted ones for revenge. Yeah, yeah...you guys may think I am crazy, but I believe that Revenge should be at least smiled on for a bit. Most people kill murderers which in my opinion is good except that they, now, are the murderers. Endless cycle.
I do admit, however, that the Death Penalty will not solve every problem, but it helps, and it is cheaper than housing an inmate for 50 years. I mean, sure, it could cost a lot, but all you need is to get some cheap poison like rat poison (I forget the name of it...) and inject it into people, or we could always use the guillotine again. It worked great in the past...
(EDIT: Typos...)
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That brings me to another point. Did the two kids know the 3-year-old that they killed? If not, then it wasn\'t self-control they are lacking - it is a sane mine.
If they are not sane then they defienatly should not get the death penalty. They should spend their lives in a mental hospital or something.
and it is cheaper than housing an inmate for 50 years. I mean, sure, it could cost a lot, but all you need is to get some cheap poison like rat poison (I forget the name of it...) and inject it into people, or we could always use the guillotine again. It worked great in the past...
The expensive cost is not what is used to kill the person. It is the appeals they get before the sentence is carried out. And a inmate who gets.. I think 6 appeals.. uses up more tax payer money than keeping them alive fo the next however many years.
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I would like to point out another case that can relate to this one.
A 13 year old boy stole a toyota and was spotted by a cop driving on the freeway. The cop pulled him over and when the cop was walking up to the boy in the car the boy florred it in revese and attempted to run him over. The cop in response to this shot the boy, 10 times. The boy is dead and they dont know if the cop should be prosecuted or not. They also say it could be a racial thing since the boy was black.
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Valbrandr: I really think they should do away with appeals. Or, just give each person one...maybe two. But, no more than that. I mean, if you killed the person, and everyone knows you killed the person, and even you admit to it or don\'t deny it, appeals are pointless. Hell, all someone needs is evidence to prove you were there, and appeals should be out of the question from then on until your death.
Like I mentioned earlier, we should bring back guillotines, gallows, or just line them up and shoot \'em. Pretty simple, and very cheap. That is, if you count the maximum 1 (or 2) appeals that a person can have. Perfect solution. Perfect...
To Efflixi\'s story: I don\'t think the Policeman should be punished much, or if at all. He pulled someone over, in this case a kid, and the kid tried to hurt or kill him. If I was in his position, I would have shot the kid. The problem with the officer\'s shooting is that he shot him 10 times; way too many times. He was probably a young, inexperienced cop, and this was probably one of his first encounters with danger. I mean, put yourself in his shoes. That situation is a life or death matter. If you are faced with that, you will protect yourself in ANY way possible unless, of course, you want to die. About the racism: I highly doubt this was about racism and if it was, it was not the driving factor for the shooting. Racism is still around, but not as common. Most people still throw that out with ANY encounter between a white person and a black person, and in other cases. To me, it is stupid. If this guy was a KKK member, then hell yeah, it was racism. But, without knowing more about the Policeman, I think racism is out of the question. In conclusion, I think he should get a cut in pay for 3 months or so for acting carelessly under pressure, but I don\'t think he should be fired or put in Jail. He was just doing his job. He may not be the best cop out there, but at least he did his job...sorta.
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If the policeman shot the boy 10 times point blank, or very close, then he should be fired I think. One or two is all that\'s needed. 5 is over the top, but 10 is just stupid. If it was from a distance then it probably can be excused. The car was probably moving away from the policeman so the guy shot at the boy from the rear end of the car, trying to stop him. Maybe the guy has really accurate aim and got 10/10. Improbable, but possible,
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Actually the boy tried running over the cop in reverse. I think he was a new cop or somthing.
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In regards to the original topic, I remember this case on the news, and I think it\'s horrific and disgusting. What kind of parents must spawn inhuman \'things\' like that? All 4 of them should be shot (parents and children).
Just my 2 pennies.
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In the US it is cheaper to jail someone for life than to sentence them to death, due to the appeals process which is very expensive. Also, the US Supreme Court has just ruled that people under the age of 18 when commiting a crime cannot be given the death penalty.
But this is Britain, I\'m not sure what laws are applicable in a case like this. Personally I think that for kids to torture and murder others is a sign that they are screwed up in the head. Maybe they dont have a fully developed sense of right and wrong by the age of 10, certainly its not comparable any any way to that of an adult. But nonetheless, the reason that the prison system exists is to protect society from those who would do it harm.
People sick enough to torture and kill others at any age should be in a place well away from everyone else for a long long time. Whether they killed because they are evil or insane makes no real difference, they are a huge threat to others all the same. I could never trust a person like this to be free in an area that I lived in.
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I try to avoid topics like this, but here\'s my opinion, killing another person is wrong and should be heavily punished we all agree on that. but if we all agree that killing a person is wrong who are we to kill a person who has killed another person???????
eye for an eye, sure, but who\'s going to do it. who here has the guts to excecute a person with a chainsaw, 40 knife thrusts or what other horrific way a human can be killed in. Ever thought about that?
Imagine the most horrific and painfull death possible, then think about the eye for an eye concept. would you want to be the one to execute it on the killer????
death penalty is the easy way, giving them life in prison without a chance of ever getting released is a much greater penalty then death. Death is a way out and an end to punishment, being locked up for the rest of you\'re life without a chance of ever getting out is a much greater punishment then death imo. If I knew i would be locked up in a 2 by 2 cell for the rest of my life i\'d rather be dead and rid of it...... think about it. They only suffer those agonising months before execution but then it\'s over for them.....
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Those little pieces of shit killed an innocent child I would raise them over a cliff by there testicles with a crain and drop them AND LAUGH AND LAUGH AND ASAY GOT O HELL