PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Adyna on March 08, 2005, 05:19:21 pm
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Coming soon - The PlaneShift Times newspaper (free) :tup:
Read all the top stories about PlaneShift
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Interviews with the top players of PlaneShift
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The PlaneShift Times - Legends in the Making
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greeting Adyna i love you idea im register, i wait the planeshift time :) i love you idea and i f you nedd help tell me :)
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Just add one of the Planeshift bigest hoax, the mysterious massive sinkhole on the road between Hydlaa and Ojaveda.
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Yeah, I tried starting one a while back. I think it was the \"Kixie Journal\" If I remember correctly. Anyhow it only ran 2 issues. There just isn\'t alot of news in planeshift. I guess you would have a few issues to talk about during the wipe and recent news, just don\'t expect alot of outside help or periods of tons of news. Good luck on the paper, I look foward to reading it later. :]
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Originally posted by Kixie
Yeah, I tried starting one a while back. I think it was the \"Kixie Journal\" If I remember correctly. Anyhow it only ran 2 issues. There just isn\'t alot of news in planeshift. I guess you would have a few issues to talk about during the wipe and recent news, just don\'t expect alot of outside help or periods of tons of news. Good luck on the paper, I look foward to reading it later. :]
Thanks for the advice Kixie - I actually came from another game - Eternal Pain.... sorry Eternal Lands and I ran the Newspaper there almost single-handed so I know what you mean about \'no outside help\' although I\'ve had more support from my Guild here (ELite) than what I ever did back there. It suits me fine not to have tons of news, then people won\'t expect an issue every week :] and besides I have a lot of fun just searching for a good story.
If anyone wants an example copy of my previous newspaper \'The EL Times\' just email theeltimes@yahoo.com with the subject = \'Example Copy\'. Then you\'ll know the sort of standard \'The PS Times\' will be.
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Another one? I think I must\'ve seen six incarnations of \'Planeshift Times\' come and go by now.
I don\'t see anything original with this one, so good luck. :)
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Hopefully you\'ll have more steam going for you than the Planeshift comic project...
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Back in the middle ages books could be seen only in possession of rich people. That\'s because there were no machines to copy the form, everything was copied by hand. In other words books were expensive. That might be a reason why there weren\'t any newspapers and most of all why they wouldn\'t be free. Spreading news was bards\' job.
But as long as you have fun out of it and I don\'t have to deal with it, it doesn\'t bother me...
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Didn\'t Monks copy books or maybe that was just a bible or something ^^
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Yes, that\'s what I said:
Originally posted by Draklar
everything was copied by hand.
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Originally posted by Moogie
Another one? I think I must\'ve seen six incarnations of \'Planeshift Times\' come and go by now.
I don\'t see anything original with this one, so good luck. :)
I made The EL Times a huge success against all odds - take a look at it. email theeltimes@yahoo.com and I\'ll send you a copy, I think you\'ll find it anything but boring!!
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Originally posted by Draklar
Back in the middle ages books could be seen only in possession of rich people. That\'s because there were no machines to copy the form, everything was copied by hand. In other words books were expensive. That might be a reason why there weren\'t any newspapers and most of all why they wouldn\'t be free. Spreading news was bards\' job.
But as long as you have fun out of it and I don\'t have to deal with it, it doesn\'t bother me...
But this is not the middle-ages, this is a land of fantasy. This is what you make it. Legends in the making.
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wow, your name, is whoa ... let\'s just say very very very similar to a person very very very dear to me :P
This is a good idea, but already tried many times before as Mogura said. Though, this time might actually work and \"stay around\", so if you need any help, just contact me :)
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You have two options with this newspaper thing.
One, make up a lot of stupid, pointless stories about a lot of stupid, pointless things, completely unrelated to Planeshift, or two, wait until more content is added to the game. There simply isn\'t enough stuff going on for a newspaper service to run itself and actually get readers.
But yeah... Good luck. You\'ll need it. :)
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If the guy can RP then there will be lots of things to write about. You just need to have some imagination Grono. People will probably be more interested in reading now than in the future, considering how the game doesn\'t have very much to offer right now.
It\'s not because it has been done before that this newspaper won\'t work. Good luck, but you probably won\'t need it ;)
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Sounds interesting... but how you would get content atm is really bugging me ;) yet it could be fun to have a newspaper... ah well good luck and all that :D
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Sounds interesting... but how you would get content atm is really bugging me
Just take a look at the Guilds forum, or the roleplaying one ;)
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lol, you might have a point there Annah :P
Ah well let\'s give it chance, walks off to get subscribed 8)
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I\'m delighted by how much the mods encourage innovations around here. Perhaps things would move forward better if people didn\'t immediately start shouting \"that\'s a dumb idea I\'ve already seen!\"
So I\'ll put aside my \"been there, done that\" attitude and go check out what my fellow players are doing. Thanks Adyna!
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Originally posted by buddha
I\'m delighted by how much the mods encourage innovations around here. Perhaps things would move forward better if people didn\'t immediately start shouting \"that\'s a dumb idea I\'ve already seen!\"
I agree that the attitude is bad and I don\'t see why people feel the need to post stupid things like that...but being a moderator doesn\'t make a difference either way.
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Will the PS Times be IC or OOC? I\'m very interested if it is IC, but not as much otherwise.
Edit: Repeat after me: \"I will not critisize the mods unless I have something useful to say.\"
I will not critisize the mods unless I have something useful to say...
I will not critisize the mods unless I have something useful to say...
:)
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Will there be any way to read the current or past editions of this via browser, or will it be an email-only thing? I think it would be nifty if you could read/contribute to this while in-game, but that sort of feature is a long way away.
You could do celebrity interviews, talkshows, etc in game. Hold a few Q&A sessions in the tavern ( where 99% of all serious journalism takes place ) or on the plaza steps, Jerry-Springer style :)
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buddha: The mods tend to be objective because we\'ve been around long enough to know which ideas work and fail.
I would like to see this newspaper idea blossom, but this isn\'t the first one, or the second one. Many newspapers have been created and all of them have died out for the same reasons that have been mentioned. There is nothing newsworthy to commit long term.
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I think the newsletter can survive as long as it is maybe monthly or maybe even bi weekly. this will give there time to possibly be news worth the time to write it. and there is allways a fued between someone on these forum\'s. those are allways fun to read about
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Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
Many newspapers have been created and all of them have died out for the same reasons that have been mentioned. There is nothing newsworthy to commit long term.
\"Created\" and \"proposed\" are two very different things...and I wouldn\'t count Kixie\'s as created, though if you did that\'s only one that I can remember that actually started.
So in other words whatever your name was (the creator of the thread, not Aendar)...show your willing to actually do this and you might get some help.
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If you have a talent for doing this, or even if you don\'t, I strongly encourage you to develop this idea. Make something happen and don\'t listen to the nay sayers. At least it will be practical experience and you can draw on it later in rl. Just Go For It. Er. I mean.... Just For Tennis Shoes. No, that\'s not right either. I can\'t remember that slogan much anymore. Something like that......
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Just do it, is the phrase you\'re looking for.
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Originally posted by Adyna
But this is not the middle-ages, this is a land of fantasy. This is what you make it. Legends in the making.
To encourage the development of a large community of roleplayers that will recreate the beauty and complexity of a virtual medieval world.
No, of course it isn\'t :P
But yeah, I guess you\'re right. People coming to taverns in order to hear rumors from local bards or barkeeps is a bad idea... Newspaper will certainly give more medieval fantasy feeling. So good luck with it.
*Walks off to create Burger Lord (R) because this is a land of fantasy.*
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Now maybe if he acted as the town crier, ya know, IC, and people tossed him trias for his info... heck, they did that in Everquest with an NPC, a PC should manage fine.
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That is actually a good idea...
...that has no connection with newspapers...
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Originally posted by TheRedMonk
If the guy can RP then there will be lots of things to write about.
*Cough*I\'m female*Cough* :rolleyes:
The PS Times will be sent by email - eventually the older copies will be put up online but the only way to see the new editions is by subscribing.
If any of you want to see the sort of things that will be in The PS Times email theeltimes@yahoo.com Subject=Sample copy.
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*Cough*I\'m female*Cough*
*hands Adyna a flower
*ehrum* Sorry about that. I meant to say gal :P
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Originally posted by Moogie
Another one? I think I must\'ve seen six incarnations of \'Planeshift Times\' come and go by now.
I don\'t see anything original with this one, so good luck. :)
Well, Moogie, when Adyna came to [some other game] there were alot of
\"discussions\" about the gazette too, but it ended with these discussions
and one page that haven\'t been updated since ages, but Adyna instead
of bla bla organized the team and were running the gazettel like half a
year. Believe me - with her motivation she can move mountains on
Ojaveda and drop them into the hole. :-) All what she needs is your
support, feedback etc. Tech stuff like the mailing list leave to me. ;)
About medieval times - there were no PMs, Advisors, moderators
tefusangs, Laanx temple in the center of the city - because if you were no
catholic you were a dead man etc. in medieval times. And, what is most
important here - in medieval times access to books were only for the
chosen people, therefore there were no libraries accessible for every
mortal...but to Jayose\'s library everyone of us can enter, walk there, grab a
book, and everyone in Yliakum can read, I am a woman and I am wearing
pants - you have to admit, friends, that was not possible in medieval ages.
Regards.
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\"she can move mountains on Ojaveda and drop them into the hole\" hehehe I like that!
For those people who wanted an easy way of contributing to The PS Times \"Your wish is my command\" got to http://beam.to/include_ps (http://beam.to/include_ps)
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Mmm, we could maybe setup a forum section and enable HTML there? ;)
I mean our guild forum.
Regards.
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Originally posted by buddha
I\'m delighted by how much the mods encourage innovations around here. Perhaps things would move forward better if people didn\'t immediately start shouting \"that\'s a dumb idea I\'ve already seen!\"
So I\'ll put aside my \"been there, done that\" attitude and go check out what my fellow players are doing. Thanks Adyna!
I wonder... Since when was it decided that you make the rules about what can be in a comment and what can\'t? If I remember correctly, stating that the idea is old, and has never succeded before, followed by facts of why is not a bad reply. It\'s constructive critisism, telling the person who picks up the idea to maybe give it a little thought, and do something which makes the idea diffrent from when the other people tried to do it.
However, simply stating that you think mods are stupid, mods say stupid things and mods generally are idiots is a bad way to behave, and I really don\'t like when people behave like that. Maybe you\'re the one who should reconsider your attitude, or better yet, go somewhere else with it.
You\'re not really as smart as you think. You\'re kinda annoying.
And for Adyna, I have no doubt the idea works, it just needs more than what you\'ve been able to come up with so far. It\'ll need a load of work to pull off, and most people aren\'t willing to do that, especially when there\'s nothing in particular to write about. Then it just gets to be the same dull and repetitive things, over and over. Especially if something like a \"new guilds\" section gets added. That\'ll be like \"Ooh this one looks exciting. And this one... And that one over there. Oh, yeah, and those two I\'ve got right here. This one might be promising too. Hmm, haven\'t seen that one before either.\" And so on. But who knows... Something exciting might come along. You never know, but like I said in my previous post, good luck with the project. :)
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buddha: The mods tend to be objective because we\'ve been around long enough to know which ideas work and fail.
Don\'t, don\'t even think of starting such a thing again. Are you that old mate? Tell me, how the he*l can you say you know when something will succeed or will fail, without even knowing the person that is doing it? And please, do forget that thing between new members vs. old members okay? There\'s no difference in them, they\'re humans as well, some more dedicated to their ideas, some completely different.
I guess time messes with people\'s minds, but I have to say that I am personally sick of this attitude :rolleyes:
This is a good idea, and Adyna seems very devoted in taking care of it. Of course, she\'ll have a lot of support from different members, and also, there\'s a lot of information that can be used. Like I said, just take a look in the Guilds Forum, or the RP-ing one.
* hands to Adyna a beautiful red rose.
You have my support princess ;)
* EDIT *
J. ... drop it. And leave that kiddo alone, unless you really were touched by his words aye? Well, maybe you\'ll realize that he was actually telling the truth.
* EDIT *
* takes a look at \" Post last edited by Gronomist on 09.03.2005, 06:59. \"
Sad ... :baby: :rolleyes:
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As a public service I have posted the word \"decorum\" under \"Word of the Day\" in \"Hydlaa Plaza\".
Hmmm, my posts are being edited by others... Maybe my next \"word of the day\" will be \"maturity\".
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sounds like a first topic to me :D
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I was away for a while... Not that anyone missed me of course :]
Just wanted to add my \"good luck to you\" also. Hopefully it\'ll become a succes. Maybe, if you haven\'t got enough ideas or stuff to tell about, you could make some sort of \"gossipping paper\" of it, you know... \"You saw Lhorkan and last night? Something nice is going on there... And relative. Just a thought.
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Actually I do remember you, and I also remember your sig. Though, I can\'t say I really missed you but, maybe we\'ll get along better in the future and someday I\'ll miss you :P
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Well, I just wanted to tell, that previous gazette hadn\'t any cycles, there
were no weekly issues or montly, it was relased when some issue was
ready, so I think Adyna will simply relase a new issue when enought of
interesting things will happen. Maybe also it will encourage the people to
actually do some interesting things too? Who knows. ;-)
I have noticed people are trying to organize PK contests etc. I was
organizing major events on EL too, so I think we could write some quests
and organize contests based on them with help of GMs if they would
agree.
Regards.
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Originally posted by Gronomist
It\'s constructive critisism, telling the person who picks up the idea to maybe give it a little thought, and do something which makes the idea diffrent from when the other people tried to do it.
Originally posted by Moogie
Another one? I think I must\'ve seen six incarnations of \'Planeshift Times\' come and go by now.
I don\'t see anything original with this one, so good luck. :)
That is not the same thing, and is not constructive criticism in itself. Sure, maybe if you make assumptions off of it, but by itself, no.
I\'m not saying replies always have to be constructive, that would just be stupid, boring, and many other adjectives I could throw in. Nor am I saying Mogura and those who posted more or less the same thing are wrong, it\'s just not constructive criticism.
Thought that I would point that out because, well....it\'s just what I do.
Originally posted by Gronomist
You\'re not really as smart as you think. You\'re kinda annoying.
Hah. I may disagree with you a lot, but your replies still kick ass.
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The whole newspaper thing will be tight
i would read it every sunday
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Originally posted by crazed44
The whole newspaper thing will be tight
i would read it every sunday
People still say \"tight\"
man am i behind the times.
ok the lets really go back in the day and just say it will be a \"groovy\" thing if it all works as planned.
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\"Tight\" is transient, just like \"The Bomb\".
However, \"Sweet\", which to my knowledge is relatively new in modern usage, is here to stay, and \"Dude\" and \"Cool\" will never die. Groovy will always have its place, as well, but as a \'special use\' word. Also, \"Rock\" is coming back in to use as \"Dude! Rock!\"
I, however, will continue trying to push \"Blazin\'\" and \"Nova\" on the public. Use my spicy-hot words, or to ashes with you!
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I really see no reason to argue. Ok, few persons, mainly moderators told us
that this idea is not original and we should give up. There are many not
original but nice ideas. Most of us are simple people and we do like simple
and not original things to bring some glee in our minds and our souls.
Adyna is not a person that can be discouraged by some criticism,
constructive or not (personally I think it wasn\'t constructive) especially
that we already have 60 or so subscribers awaiting the first issue. Anyway
everyone has a right to have an opinion and I don\'t think so if any
arguments can change someone else opinion. So if I may suggest
something - lets just be positively oriented on this idea and wait for the
results in peace. :-) Even Talad told it is a good idea, so if it is good idea
why not give it a try? ;-)
Regards.
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While I respect her right to do whatever the heck she wants, I don\'t think its a good or useful idea. Thus, I can shrug, and not hurl insults, but I cannot honestly be supportive of positive.
I do, however, think a town crier would be wonderful. Absolutely wonderful. I\'d donate a tefusang tooth to the bugger for every bit of news, even.
Newspaper? When we have no reason to believe there\'s a printing press or a \"Copy\" spell yet? And especially one only available via email, instead of in-game? Nuh uh. Even if it was well done and vastly interesting, it would feel against RP to so much as glance at it, and I\'m here for the RP.
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Well, the gazette is considered rather as Community News, and it is same
medieval and role playing like this webforum. So maybe we will close
forums because we are here talking about PS, and there were no forums
in medieval times and this forum is on the internet not in game?
It is kinda weak argument, really. PS Times is besides the game for
purpose, because if it would be in game such things like devs corner
would be absolutely OOC and would ruin RPing.
Johann Gutenberg
Inventor of printing; born about 1400; died 1467 or 1468
And they say that middle ages are betwen the fifth to the fifteenth century.
Mmm we will argue about 100 years plus or minus in game? :-/
Regards.
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Newspaper staying outside of game doesn\'t bug me (besides the bard bit), but if someone talks about gathering informations for newspaper ingame, that is something else.
Oh, and invention of printing press is one of events ending the medieval times. If you look into history. Also 15th century is 1401 - 1500 so that would be right.
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But are we really re-creating the Middle Ages? I think I can find some counter-examples to that...
If you are going to accept no slavery, then why not accept that almost everyone can read? And if you accept that almost everyone can read, why not accept that there will be something to read?
I don\'t think an in-game, in-character paper about the events of the town is hurtful to RP at all. We just assume we have a literate society, the same way we assume we are all speaking the same language and not burning witches. Heck, the same way we assume that we can go to the magic store and buy glyphs without rampaging peasants burning it down.
Is is the literacy part that bugs people? I\'m not sure why people would object to this.
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Originally posted by buddha
I\'m not sure why people would object to this.
You have to realize that this is Draklar and anything that doesn\'t fit on all those webpages he reads is evil and wrong. The arguments just won\'t work.
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The point is with medieval technology it was impossible to make newspaper.
I assume we\'ll have fully developed plate armour in PS, so it must be a 15th century setting. About the time when printing press was created, still printing is typical for the next period (which had completely different culture).
Depends if you think bringing later technology and culture to medieval setting is good for roleplaying of life in medieval times or not.
Edit: Too bad I don\'t object to this, Kiern... peanut :P
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Of course it was possible to make a news paper, especially in the end when Gutenberg invented print, but no one wanted to be accussed for
heresy and be cut.
Regards.
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Originally posted by Draklar
But yeah, I guess you\'re right. People coming to taverns in order to hear rumors from local bards or barkeeps is a bad idea... Newspaper will certainly give more medieval fantasy feeling. So good luck with it.
*Walks off to create Burger Lord (R) because this is a land of fantasy.*
Back in the middle ages books could be seen only in possession of rich people. That\'s because there were no machines to copy the form, everything was copied by hand. In other words books were expensive. That might be a reason why there weren\'t any newspapers and most of all why they wouldn\'t be free. Spreading news was bards\' job.
^eh?
Don\'t object? Damn you, stop being confusing. It\'s not easy on me...snap judgements and all.
Seriously though, the weather is nice.
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If its a solely OOC thing, fine and dandy. \"Gron now has the highest strength, w00t!\" and so forth, no big deal.
Its shoving it IC that makes it worrisome.
As for the middle ages, the general cut off date is 1400; they use Chaucer\'s death that year as a marker.
And as for the boards... they\'re for mechnical discussion for the most part. I, personally, avoid the RP board because it causes logistical problems.
Also, the \"this isn\'t really the middle ages!\" argument, So? Doesn\'t mean its automatically MORE advanced in certain aspects. It could be LESS advanced in several aspects, in fact. Up to the devs. Personally, I much prefer the flavor of scribes to printing presses, and sword over flintlocks.
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Platyna: I already answered that :P
There were three events ending the medieval times. Discovery of printing press, discovery of america.... and something else :P
Printing press becomes pretty much a symbol of ending of medieval times. And imagining Legolas reading a newspaper is just *shudders*
Kiern: Is is the literacy part that bugs people? I\'m not sure why people would object to this.
I do not ob-ject... to the li-te-ra-cy... part.
There, I typed it slow so you would understand and not get confused this time :P
Originally posted by Incenjucar
Personally, I much prefer the flavor of scribes to printing presses, and sword over flintlocks.
Yeah, that\'s exactly my point. And like I said, it doesn\'t bug me as long as it stays ooc.
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Printing press becomes pretty much a symbol of ending of medieval times. And imagining Legolas reading a newspaper is just *shudders*
lol, I thought PS was going to be original... so stop comparing it to LOTR and the real world...
and Draklar, who ever said that PS was going to be like the medieval times? there is no medieval times in PS it\'s a game not the real world... you don\'t see America in it do you? so stop comparing it to the medieval times :rolleyes:
Incenjucar you ignore the RP board, then just ignore the papers, noone ever forced you to read it, did they?
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Well it\'s good that you read all posts, Jazeera. Because if you wouldn\'t, you could miss the post where I quote Atomic Blue aim:
To encourage the development of a large community of roleplayers that will recreate the beauty and complexity of a virtual medieval world.
But luckily you did read it and didn\'t make false assumption that Yliakum isn\'t a medieval world. Not to mention that just the swords, armour, primitive way of traveling would tell that this is medieval fantasy setting. It\'s good that you checked the setting and everything. Good job!
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they never said that it should be the medieval world from RL did they?
omg!! but there were no elves, dwarfs or enkidukais in the medieval world of RL 8o... you really cannot compare PS to the medieval world of RL Drak... -_-
So as I said stop comparing PS to the medieval world... even more important stop comparing it to RL!
btw. alright I missed that post so what? we all makes mistakes... still holding grudges eh? word of advice Drak move on and grow up, stop living in the past you might miss the present :rolleyes:
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What a surprise, you missed another one...
Originally posted by Draklar
still printing is typical for the next period (which had completely different culture).
Correct me if I\'m wrong, but recreating medieval world requires recreating its culture.
And if so then references to further cultures would be pretty much ruining it.
Scribes and bards are part of medieval culture.
Newspapers aren\'t.
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are Elves, Dwarves or Diaboli\'s part of the medieval culture? just wondering
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graceful minstrels, robust tavern-goers and charismatic warlocks?
Sounds like typical medieval fantasy races to me...
Now if we had robots or some kind of fat race eating hamburgers that would be different... but we don\'t have them, do we?
But anyway, elves and dwarves were part of rl medieval culture too. Go read norse mythology.
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lol, Drak I live in Denmark a part of Scandinavia if you are not aware of that and I know about the norse mythology... and it does not mention the Enkidukais :)
EDIT: Norse mythology is a part of my country\'s story so I should know it -_-
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In a sentence all I can say is that planeshift isn\'t medieval setting. Things are based upon times similar in planeshift\'s technological advancement. Things are in no way exact, precise or some sort of replica of real life settings and technological items. Planeshift is in Ylakium. Not Europe, or Earth for that setting. Let\'s just leave it at that. This thread is going no where, and I\'m not a mod so I don\'t have any say on it getting closed. But one thing I can say is that we don\'t determine where planeshift goes. The thread is about a player made newspaper, not a discussion on where the newspaper\'s orgins have begun. Although the title \"Forum Legend\" is supposed to have some sort of weight, I do not see any evidence of that in this thread. Let\'s just leave it alone people, I doubt any of these things are going to influence your day beyond 3 minutes.
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Originally posted by Draklar
Kiern: Is is the literacy part that bugs people? I\'m not sure why people would object to this.
I do not ob-ject... to the li-te-ra-cy... part.
There, I typed it slow so you would understand and not get confused this time :P
Great, because I didn\'t edit the quote for a reason. :rolleyes:
Kixie, should it influence us? That\'d be kind of...odd.
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*Seperot meanders in late to the party to find everyone biting eachother and him not involed*:P
well i personnally think its a great idea there is alot more news floating around planeshift then most people in there generall arrogance notice. all you need is someone dedicated and got the time to spare.
and i would like to say that the mods should go back to there own job and leave the hate posting to me your good at your job im good at mine :P:P:P
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Originally posted by Kiern
Kixie, should it influence us? That\'d be kind of...odd.
Yes. It should. Your post count and join date specify how long you have been here. How many threads you have observed. You have been here a while, you should recognize the beginning of an offtopic discussion, one that carries no worth whatsoever. They are not supposed to be here. Coming from someone who carries worth (whether you like it or not) in the forum should set an example, and hold his responsibility as an experienced poster by making insightfull, respectfull and on topic threads and replies.
Your an oldbie. Show some respect for the forum, and hold your responsibilities as one.
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This is getting more a history discussion than a discussion with ideas for the newspaper. Lets see it this way: PlaneShift is a typical Medieval fantasy world. With swords, plate armour, elves, dwarves (and the less typical Enki\'s and deamons, but whatever).
And yes, no newspapers in the typical Medieval fantasy world. But the devs said they want it to be original, not one of the 1000 typical fantasy worlds. Just look at the clothing. So it also doesn\'t have to be a typical newspaper, but something more... Original. In some way.
And as long as it stays an email or a website, I actually so no need for an endless discussion about Medieval printing.
Just my 2 cents.
*Seperot meanders in late to the party to find everyone biting eachother and him not involed*
*gets ready to scratch Seperot*
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Heh..and people wonder why I have under 10 posts, after being here for almost two years..
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from wikipedia org
\"Regular publications have been created and distributed by governments for millennia, including Acta Diurna, a listing of events ordered by Julius Caesar in Ancient Rome in 59 B.C., and Mixed News, published in China in A.D. 713.\"
from historic pages
\"The first printed forerunners of the newspaper appeared in Germany in the late 1400\'s in the form of news pamphlets or broadsides, often highly sensationalized in content. Some of the most famous of these report the atrocities against Germans in Transylvania perpetrated by a sadistic veovod named Vlad Tsepes Drakul, who became the Count Dracula of later folklore.\"
by many medieval lasted from 500 - 1450...so newspapers aren\'t so far off...
a printing press is does not need steam engine or electricty to run... so it\'s possible that a dwarf came up with printing press in Yliakum then we did here. dwarfs as we all know are more technologically inclined then humans that inhibit this Earth.
Discworld had a printing press why can\'t PLaneshift???
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a printing press is does not need steam engine or electricty to run... so it\'s possible that a dwarf came up with printing press in Yliakum then we did here. dwarfs as we all know are more technologically inclined then humans that inhibit this Earth.
Yes, and while we\'re at it, why not make some dwarfs run around in a wheel to make the press rotate :P
Hmm, doesn\'t seem to be a bad idea... Dwarfs could have invented a press, why not.
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Anything can be distorted enough to fit in the setting, I think the point is how far are you willing to go with it? Next, cars? If you can shoot fire out of nothing I should be able to invent a car somehow...
Just to make things complicated.
Originally posted by Kixie
Your an oldbie. Show some respect for the forum, and hold your responsibilities as one.
No thanks. I\'m going to continue posting like I always have. Sorry if that doesn\'t meet your standards of what is required around here for people with pretty blue stars on their name.
Next I\'ll be seeing Venge quotes in your signature.... :baby:
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Originally posted by Kiern
Anything can be distorted enough to fit in the setting, I think the point is how far are you willing to go with it? Next, cars?
My factual information proved that newspapers aren\'t such a distortion of a medievel setting. Secondly the setting hasn\'t been described in detail enough to be distorted. In this case i think printing press would be expending the setting and not distorting it
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Planeshift is NOT a medieval fantasy MMORPG. It says that no where. This is not true in any way. I have no clue where you think this has come from. Planeshift is a free 3d mmorpg. There is no mention of Planshift being Medieval. Some things, like weapons, buildings and flora are based on a Medival setting, yes. But there is nothing saying that it is a Medival MMORPG where everything within it\'s realms are based firmly in the reality of Earth. Get over it people, it\'s an original MMORPG. That\'s what the devs HAVE said. Planeshift is as original as possible. There are no kings, queens, parliment, scribes, or anything that relates to Europe. There are things such as the weapons and the archetecture that refect medieval, but there is no offical say that planeshift is Medieval. In any way.
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Um...
Kixie.
You rock and all...
But I can\'t let false information by.
Go to the Atomic Blue site.
Look under Mission.
Third bullet down.
\"To encourage the development of a large community of roleplayers that will recreate the beauty and complexity of a virtual medieval world.\"
Now, its not \"Earth\", obviously, nor is it \"European\", buuut...
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So what\'s the problem with a newspaper?? <.< What\'s this argument about again?
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The problem is that some of us have an issue with the idea of a bunch of knights, spell casters, and rogues sitting around at the tavern reading the sports section.
But the paper seems to be a wholly OOC thing, so its fine and dandy.
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Originally posted by Kaseijin
There\'s a difference between pamphlettes and newspapers, as even your article noted. There will of course be ledgers and so forth. Just not anything we would expect out of a \'newspaper\'. At best, a \"High School Newsletter\". And most likely, they\'ll be written by scribes, or, if small enough and numerous enough, someone with a stamp and ink.
Ultimately, people can do what they like, but I\'m going to take \"Extra! Extra!\" about the same as \"I vant to drink your blad!\" or \"Have you seen my spaceship?\"
Personal preference reigns until the devs make official statements. S\'all good.
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Well it\'s sent via email... so of course it\'s OCC. :rolleyes: So I don\'t see what the problem is... If you don\'t like a newspaper, then should we get rid of the planeshift site which tells us about the game? It\'s the same thing, outside information.
*sigh* :rolleyes:
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Xordan, my ingame logs say that people take it a bit further than ooc ;)
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The Mentality of the people of PlaneShift is much more in line with the beliefs and culture of the renaissance than medieval times.
In medieval times people were told and believed that wherever they were in the world was where they belonged and it was god\'s will for them to spend their life as either king or peasant and that there was no reason to try to change that.
The renaissance gave birth to the idea that one could move through the ranks both socially and politically.
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Originally posted by Socrates Demise
The renaissance gave birth to the idea that one could move through the ranks both socially and politically.
I\'m not arguing, but how does that make Planeshift have more in common with the renaissance? I\'m missing the connection...
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i think what he meant is medieval times were an age where if you were born poor you stayed poor. You could never get rich through hard work. The planeshift world is world full of \'heroes\' which start poor and quickly get rich through work.
Or in other works in medieval times average person had no ambition or opprotunity to rise in social status. While planeshift everyone but npcs has that ambition and the opprotunity to do that.
Anyway Planeshift is fantasy setting based on medieval ages....not bound or limited to that age.
Planeshift has a very democratic social structure while medieval times were defined by hierarchical/feudal structure of society. So lay off the argument that somebody\'s idea is not medieval enough. Give another argument..
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That argument works on Laser Guns...
The fantasy tradition is based more on things like King Arthur and D&D.
D&D generally lacked printing presses, except in rare situations.
Again, up to the devs, but I don\'t think they\'ll want to make scribes mere history and take away that flavor.
And for bloody sake... Greece was a democracy, and it predated the middle ages. Nor does anything say \"European\"
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Originally posted by Draklar
Xordan, my ingame logs say that people take it a bit further than ooc ;)
Well then they should be /kickbanned :P
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I don\'t think so if Adyna would just be so flat and include in her gazette:
X got 200 of STR and now pwnz j00 411!
Especially that IC replacement is so easy:
X has been bleased by gods with the great strengh and now he can defeat
all his enemies without much effort.
If someone of you people would visit our guild forum - there is kinda hard
word being done on newly created section: \"Roleplaying and Storylines\".
Where everyone interested into making Planeshift Times IC can participiate
and help.
I am really not sure if technical issues of making and distributing the paper
are worth to argue about. For medieval monk copying something by hand
300 times (this is how many subscribers former EL times had) wasn\'t so
hard, so how about just imagine Adyna - the servant of Laanx writing the
paper for you...
Regards.
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Originally posted by Incenjucar
And for bloody sake... Greece was a democracy, and it predated the middle ages. Nor does anything say \"European\"
but middle ages began with collapse of roman empire and democracy
educate yourself a little
here some info (http://www.learner.org/exhibits/middleages/)
interesting, upon a little research i discovered that term middle ages or medieval is more or less a term that refers to a part of a European history not the world history
thanks i learned a lot
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yep.. i agree too..
adyna has a good idea (maybe not incredibly original) but its a good idea none the less.
adyna, im interested to see the newspaper when it comes out. :)
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Originally posted by Kaseijin
but middle ages began with collapse of roman empire and democracy
educate yourself a little
here some info (http://www.learner.org/exhibits/middleages/)
interesting, upon a little research i discovered that term middle ages or medieval is more or less a term that refers to a part of a European history not the world history
thanks i learned a lot
I\'m more educated than yourself in the matter if the term \'middle ages\' (Along with many other terms we tend to use) being only in regards to the European Middle Ages is new to you, so please, do try not to presume I was saying \"Clearly, we\'re in Greece in the middle ages!\" Further, Rome wasn\'t a democracy. Its main form of government was the \'republic\'.
(Actually, the terms \"middle ages\", \"medieval\", and \"Renascence\" are always under debate, since similar events would hit different locations at different times, varying by generations, and never hit elsewhere.)
The point was that the method was present, so its not a \'modern\' and thus iffy subject. Nor is it a democracy so much as an oligarchy. You don\'t get voted in as an octate, as I recall (The website is acting up, so I can\'t check on it at the moment: if I\'m wrong, please call me on it. I despise falsehood.)
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In our house is an old copying machine that my mother, in dark ages of
communism were using to copy propaganda leaflets, in the form of small
gazette, she could even make a thousand each week, and believe me or
not - that copying machine is so primitive mechanical construction that
could be surely made in medieval times by some skilled dwarf. :-)
Regards.
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Originally posted by Incenjucar
Nor does anything say \"European\"
ok then i simply don\'t understand what you meant with this...what doesn\'t say european?
i don\'t know if the site is acting up but i checked the players guide that comes with the game it has this part...which leaves room for some exceptional citizens to enter the close knit government
Nevertheless is not too rare to find some high citizens that are elected thanks to people acclamation, taking place of Vigesimi that are dead, that are judged inept or that are found to be guilty of thievery.
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Yes, its a semi-fluid society. They predate humanity. Whee.
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The \"Could be made by\" thing is not a valid argument, considerng everything that has been made -could- be made, by definition. You\'d be amazed, however, how many things that -could- be made, weren\'t made in various parts of the world.
Again, it all comes down to the devs. I personally hope they make scribes a decent archetype, and keep as many forms of machinery non-existant as possible.
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Could be made [using resources available in medieval times].
Regards.
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So can cars.
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Cars? No. Metal manipulation technology was not of a sufficient level.
It\'s a bloody newspaper! I don\'t understand why there\'s all this ruckus over whether or not it could happen in the midieval ages, or whether that has any relevance on Planeshift. Even if it couldn\'t have existed in the time period, that is not going to stop the publishers, and frankly, I could care less. It\'s a game. Games exist for recreation, and if having a newspaper exist in a certain perceived time period (we don\'t know the actual technological level, only guess at it) throws off your RP, maybe you\'re too sensitive. Lighten up. :rolleyes:
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1) Magic.
2) Never said it would be a hot rod.
3) Using the assumption that \"If you can explain it, you can do it\", someone could just as easily get the idea for metal manipulaition tech as they can for a printer.
4) I have preferences. Its not a huge deal to me. However, I\'m still hoping the mods share my preferences. So sue me.
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Well ok, I guess there\'s nothing wrong with IC newspaper...
Like there\'s nothing wrong with that cellphone that I had pleasure to see in action ingame. It must be a vibrating artifact, giving possibility to talk on long distances... or something.
I guess we should take every single thing people come up with, build a setting out of it and roleplay in it. Or even better, everyone should be roleplaying in their own setting.
Roleplaying in Planeshift is on such high level that I don\'t think anything could wreck it anyway...
It is the beauty of Planeshift after all... the free-form allowing people to behave like a cyborg coming from 5000 years forward, talk about smoking weed or maybe breakdancing...
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Like Furcadia. Bwahahahahahahaahahaha
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ok you convinced me...i will join you hair splitting society... in fact i am going to split two hairs right away
what\'s up with the public street lighting.... lanterns?.... i am personally not aware of presence of such public lighting in the medieval times
and the sewers...the piping.. it\'s very advanced with valves and everything, pressured piping?... too advanced for medieval?
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* is intrigued why the hell people are still arguing on something that was clarified in the first posts.
Come on, want to help? Help! Don\'t want to help? Shut up, and let the girl work ... :rolleyes:
PS:
Like Furcadia. Bwahahahahahahaahahaha
God ... :rolleyes:
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man if our radio station took this much abuse i dunno how we could take it :P and we dont have any realy good excuses....
speaking of which if the head of the newspaper (yes im too lazy to look...actually im kinda busy (blames tybalt) )could pm me i would like to talk about some kind of cross colaberation something that would benifit us both :)
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No cellphones, but why not crystals or balls like these bad-dude-mages
in Lord of the Rings had to communicate with each other? :-P
Regards.
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Heh. I\'ve already stated that I have absolutely zero issue with the paper as explained, and that, if the devs want printing presses, it\'s entirely their call. Same goes for sewer pipes and street lighting. Just means the setting is more Eberron, less Dragonlance. Though I will remind that a printing press is a much bigger deal than pipe valves. Cheap information spread is a powerful tool.
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just a reminder d&d is not the only fantasy setting.... wotc/ex-tsr do not hold monopoly over fantasy settings. I mean Arcanum world combined the technology and magic just fine. In fact the setting itself is awesome, even though the game had less then perfect combat system.
Now just because it\'s not J.R.R Tolken enough... doesn\'t mean it\'s bad.
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D&D is, however, the easiest to reference since they have setting info all over the web, are the most popular, etc.
Star Wars is \"Science Fantasy\", but still fantasy.
Still prefer to have something more \'classic\' than not.
But, thankfully, no IC sports page, only OOC stuff, so I don\'t give a hoot.
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Originally posted by Platyna
...She can move mountains on
Ojaveda and drop them into the hole.
Nice. That\'s going to become something like \"shooting for the stars\"
Now, to the topic. I think a newspaper is a great idea. I wish to offer the best of luck and my best wishes. As for those of you who are going on and on about the medieval stuff... I\'m reminded of one of my communication teachers modos (sp is horible.:))) \"If you can\'t dazzle them with your intelligence, baffle them with your bull\" You definately aren\'t doing the first one. As has been said countless times before, Yliakum is not Europe, and on top of that, it\'s not China, Korea, Japan, Russia, the USA, Norway, Ireland, or any other of the hundreds of countries I could name. It\'s Yliakum, and to limit it\'s technology by the standards of the occupants of Terra would be wrong. As for you arguments about other technologies... I don\'t know about you, but I wouldn\'t want to drive a car up Hydlaa\'s streets, or any thing else for that matter. On top of that, what part of a printing press makes you think that they could make something as simple as a bumper car?
PS. I\'m not sure what good you think your doing buddha, constantly complaining about the mods, but it\'s not a very constructive thing to do. I\'ve never seen you actually say what you have against the mods, only complaints. Plus, constructive threads aren\'t the place for that anyway. Keep in mind, I\'m not flaming you by any means, just a little constructive criticism :)
Edit: screwed up the phrase at the beginning of my post.
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I will register as well. I like your idea... but I am sure you know you will have to spend a lot of time in game and out to get good insiteful information.
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Originally posted by Jakob
I don\'t know about you, but I wouldn\'t want to drive a car up Hydlaa\'s streets, or any thing else for that matter.
As has been said countless times before, Yliakum is not Europe, and on top of that, it\'s not China, Korea, Japan, Russia, the USA, Norway, Ireland, or any other of the hundreds of countries I could name. It\'s Yliakum, and to limit it\'s technology by the standards of the occupants of Terra would be wrong.
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Your comment about intelligence suddenly seems out of place, doesn\'t it?
I wouldn\'t want to see newspapers all around the Yliakum...
And the slight point is that for now there is none ingame. This is being sent by email, the point is that some people take it as far as ic thing.
There is no mention of nespaper in the PS setting. And for all we know it\'s fantasy medieval one. Now as far as I remember standard medieval fantasy setting has no newspapers. Whether you\'ll take the safe path or say \"It is all right for it to exist because setting isn\'t saying it doesn\'t\" depends only on you and your praised intelligence.
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It essentially comes down to this:
1) We have no idea what will and will not be available in PS.
2) The Devs will be the ones deciding this, not the players.
3) There will be people who will ignore the devs and play their own game, anyways.
4) Up until that point, it is much easier to assume a \'safe\' default as to what to expect. Fantasy, while an extremely varied genre, has certain classic ideas within Western society. These are largely focused on King Arthur, Dungeons and Dragons (esp. Greyhawk), and Lord of the Rings. The more you stay within these ideas, the less likely you are to have to retcon when the game gets better defined. If you have a printing press, and the devs say \"Printing presses won\'t be invented for years to come\", you either exist outside of the normal PS world, making you a pain in the rear to RP with, or you retcon and join the rest of us in the \'real\' PS world. It is, however, so much easier to say, \"Hey, I found out that there are printing presses, I\'m gonna buy one!\". Generally, minimalism is useful in unknown setting situations.
5) Object-oriented differences are one of the worst issues of setting difference you can bring about. With vampires, if the devs decide \"Vampires absolutely do not in any way or form exist in PS\", those who aren\'t in to vamps can just continue thinking they\'re all a bunch of loons, others may decide they\'re loons as a player, but RP believing them, etc. It\'s a heck of a lot harder, however, to go about RPing with someone who has this imaginary pile of paper called a \"Newspaper\" that they made with an imaginary device called a \"Printing Press\".
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Originally posted by Incenjucar
It essentially comes down to this:
1) We have no idea what will and will not be available in PS.
2) The Devs will be the ones deciding this, not the players.
Still it doesn\'t mean players can\'t suggest things. Right?
And that\'s all people are doing here mostly...suggesting.
Devs will decide what will be in... it does not mean they have to make it all up bythemselves. In fact if people suggest different things devs will have a better things to choose from when deciding what will be in. So instead of shooting down every idea that outside the cliche fantasy setting with sarcasm. Maybe you could suggest something that would make it better.
Devs will decide what will be in which doesn\'t only the things they come up with will be in.
p.s.
i just thought of an idea...how neswpapers can be present without actual need for a printing press. Every tavern/temple/library would have a newsboard upon which a copy of paper with most recent local news will be placed on. Thus only with a few copies made by scribes a large audience could be reached. As these pieces of paper contain news they are called newspapers by people.
These papers were replaced on weekly basis. There no technological leaps....
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This is not Wish List forum, nor is this thread a suggestion one. It is however a thread about making an OOC newspaper. Something that shouldn\'t be brought in as an IC thing. If you want to have newspaper ingame, post in Wish List, or better use the search button.
But as long as there is no mention that newspapers indeed exist in Yliakum, it is as true as cell phones or cars. All belong to different time period and none belong in a standard (or decent for that matter) medieval fantasy setting.
You can read a newspaper, I can make a phone call and yet another guy can park his car behind the tavern. Just don\'t expect any decent roleplaying going around in Planeshift.
Edit: Newsboard is actually present in various medieval settings...
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When I started reading this thread it was an idea to create an external news paper (well vitual) where the happenings of the realm of Planeshift can told to the rest of the community, especially those who are infrequent in visiting PS.
Now it is talk about an actual news paper in PS for IC, well without a printing press in PS it is going to be rather hard to distribute newspapers. Thus in the times before the printing press you had the town crier shouting out the latest news and important decisions of the royal court.
So for PS IC newspaper is a no go, but an external OOC newspaper is fine by me.
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1) Haven\'t been using sarcasm. Sarcasm involves saying something I don\'t mean to show how absurd it is.
2) As Draklar said, newsboards are fine and dandy. Posts with notes pinned to them are also good. Its the mass production of things that get problematic, considering that, as has been stated, its one of the marks of the -end- the the typical medieval period. That and guns.
3) A town crier would be -awesome-. A guild of them even better.
4) OOC Newspaper is also fine and dandy. No issue with it.
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Hold on there people. I just read this thread to see what all the hubub was about.
You talk about \'modern tek\', \'medieval settings\', OOC and IC newspapers. Many of you seem to think that a \'newspaper\' would be impossible in a \'medieval setting\' due to the lack of a printing press. But you are forgetting one thing. PS is not a medieval setting, it is a fantasy medieval setting. A true medieval setting does not have magic. Think about it.
What, you may ask, does magic have to do with a newspaper? First off...nothing. You would use scrolls. But once you get past that, magic would have everything to do with it. The problem with a news-scroll is mass production. You can\'t have mass media without mass production. This is where magic comes in. If I can pull a giant arrow out of the ground and hurl it at an enemy or summon lightning from the clear sky, I can sure as hell make a pen move. For that matter, I can make an entire roomfull of pens move. Imagine thousands of pens magicaly following the movements of one solitary scribe. Instant mass production. In fact, can you really see a society with magic\'s abilities not doing something like this? Come on, people allways find the easy way out. I know I would. It would even look cool in-game, and create a new NPC.
This, however, does not mean I support news-scrolls. I prefer to remain neutral. But I thought I should show how it could be done in the PS setting, and give the nay-sayers something to chew on.
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man you just resetted the whole argument... and most of us came to some sort of concensus.
THANKS A LOT!
worst of all you provide wood for the argument...and then say you are neutral. Come ooooon. ;)
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I only walk the path Fate sets before me. Nothing more, nothing less. It takes me to both sides of the fence.
*waits for Draklar to descend on him while he calmly sits on the fence reading the latest ten tria adventure scroll he bought at Kada\'s*
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Moon: Welcome to Eberron.
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Originally posted by Incenjucar
Moon: Welcome to Eberron.
Oh, you just had to say it! :D
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*waits for all the arguments for player-owned warforged*
\"They\'re golems, not robots!\" \"They\'re like robots, not golems!\" \"They\'re like Gollum, only with less of a personality disorder!\" \"Yo Mama!\"
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Thought I would clarify one thing - I\'ve just had an email stating that the person would sell me his story for 800 Trias!! I replied that I was not being paid for doing this so there was no way I was going to start paying out for stories/information.
So just to make it clear to everyone, at the moment The PlaneShift Times will not be paying any reward (ingame items or rl money) for stories or information that is included in the issues. Thank you.
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A wise move. The moment you start trading Trias, you start dragging it IC.
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I must say I really liked the first issue, especially felt proud when you compared PS with EL :P
The diary really made me laugh too :)
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How long do you like your editorials to be. I\'m sure Arnigus Faymore, Supreme Ultra Commander of The Sheeple Foundation may have something to add. :D
Oooooh yes, people. I am seriously considering making it a real guild. Let ridicule and shame spread thoughout the land. :P
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I didnt really care for this thread but it doesn\'t look like this one is going away for a while so i subscribed. Is there a way I can get the first issue since i missed it?
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I don\'t want to step on their toes but I went ahead and posete the email up on the cutthroats Website.
Here\'s the link to the first issue
*edit [Link removed at request of Planeshift Times]
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Thanks :)
Wow that was very well done! I was quite surprised, dammit, i wish my updater would work so i could go in game, it seems so fun :(
Was there a fix found to the updater crash ?(