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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: RussianVodka on March 11, 2005, 05:30:40 pm
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Back in the day I used to consider Mac\'s to be powererful working computers that would be used for business and the likes.
But now so many people are using Mac\'s and despite the fact that they are computer-stupid, they act like they have a PHD in computer science. Its just plane sickening.
I mean, I understand that a few of my friends that are decent programmers use the Mac system bacause it simplifies some things that they realy need. But when my Tech-ED teacher shows of the bright spiny collors that Real Player comes with, and how when you log into another acount there is a cool spiny square, it\'s just pathetic. Ok commander dipshit, I can download those same bright colors onto my WinMediaPlayer, and it should\'nt be to hard to find a program that overcomplicates the switching of users.
That\'s probably the most annoying thing. How many Mac users act like they\'re experts with anything that has to do with comps just because they don\'t use windows....
* I gota go... I\'ll continue my rant when I get home.*
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You know, sometimes you\'re ... weird, really really weird. :P
And it doesn\'t count what the user is using, but it does count how the user is :D
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Artificial Minority Indignation, and lack of perspective is all.
Personally, I consider Apple the AOL of Computers.
Linux folks often have anti-Microsoft issues as well (though the Unix ones have more of an excuse... I\'ve used Linux, the main difference is you only click once, and zip=tar. WHOOO.)
But you want to see interesting, check out Amiga fans. I\'m sure its a great computer and all... but YEESH. Its a -device-, not a lifestyle.
People will become a fan of just about anything. *shrugs*
I just use my PC for what its good for. If it was Linux or Apple or Amiga, I\'d use it the same way.
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I say Windows is the best and Apple is the worst
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Windows is the best for YOU, that you\'ve tried. Apple is the worst for YOU, that you\'ve tried.
Subjective vs. objective.
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What a strange thread.
I do research mathematics and I use an Apple laptop. It has tons of good, free mathematical software that is only available on Unix, Linux and Mac OS X. Further, the Linux core makes it easy to write and install new software. Further still, it\'s reliable when I\'m doing heavy computations and doesn\'t crash if I screw up and cause a memory leak. And further still, making cool animations of some of my research is incredibly easy on a Mac.
Much of this is much more difficult on a PC, as the OS is less stable and efficient, and certainly much less configurable.
Thus I prefer the Mac/Unix marriage. Just defending a good OS and not telling you you\'re wrong, but maybe you\'re a bit under-informed.
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your talking to someone thats known microsoft all their life except for a few occasions
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Originally posted by buddha
What a strange thread.
I do research mathematics and I use an Apple laptop. It has tons of good, free mathematical software that is only available on Unix, Linux and Mac OS X. Further, the Linux core makes it easy to write and install new software. Further still, it\'s reliable when I\'m doing heavy computations and doesn\'t crash if I screw up and cause a memory leak. And further still, making cool animations of some of my research is incredibly easy on a Mac.
Much of this is much more difficult on a PC, as the OS is less stable and efficient, and certainly much less configurable.
Thus I prefer the Mac/Unix marriage. Just defending a good OS and not telling you you\'re wrong, but maybe you\'re a bit under-informed.
Case and point.
Buddha is able to clearly explain how Mac/Unix is beneficial to his studies in math. As you can see his is not bragging about bright colors, spinning textures, and other cool dohikies. And thus, hed DOES NOT look like an idiot.
From what I\'ve noticed, this is how computer users seem to panout now-a-days.
* Using comp to check news and read email - Mac
* Using comp to check news, read emal, and play games - Windows.
* Has good understanding of a computer, but is not a \"profesional\" - Customized Windows (Changed browser, player, privicy settings, system programms, and other files to own preferences.)
* Needs a computer to perform specific tasks (like Buddha) - Mac
* L33T Haxxor (figurativly speaking) - Unix
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I would rather have a mac for image and video editing and keep a pc for gaming, but, theres no way i can afford that :P
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\'Round these parts they\'re called \"Mac\'ntrashes.\" I have yet to see a single person brag about using a Mac.
Of course, a lot of people here hate the French because \"They\'ve never won a war.\" You\'d think better of a purple state.
I agree with Russian about the current spread with the exception of one thing. E-mail checkers only seem to have buggy Windows.
I had customized windows myself until a portion of my HDD dropped out of existence, with all the dll\'s required for windows.
My perception, and most semi-educated perceptions, is that Macs are for Photoshop. :P
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well since im a PC gamer, not a console gamer that much... i will stick with windows for as long as I need to play my games.. and linux for programming
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Frankly I think that macs will never be effective untill they let other people make parts for thier computers. The reason I find the windows and linux machines so effective is the fact parts for them are so unexpensive. You can make a powerfull top of the line computer for less than $1200, if you find the right resources. Macs are a monopoly of sorts. The brand name only works with a small minority of parts, which leads to very expensive machines. If anything, the Windows and Linux machines are better examples of \"freedom\" than the macs are, so on that point the mac people are insane. Windows is always going to be at the top.
It\'s just too deep right now in the consumer\'s mind as the generic brand. It would be innefficient to create a new brand and spend the billions on advertising it would need to beat the generic superbrand. The free linux is much too complicated for the ordinary consumer to pick up and use. Macs only work on a small pool of parts. Windows is the way to go. There\'s nothing wrong with that.
Bill gates may be making billions of money on it, but hell he deserves it. He\'s a marketing genius, and he deserves every cent.
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Incenjucar said:
Personally, I consider Apple the AOL of Computers.
Is it good or bad that Apple is the AOL of computers?
Anyway this line of questioning may make me buy a PC for gaming.
Felix
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I just bought a mini iPod on monday. *blush* :P
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Personally, I consider Apple the AOL of Computers.
Is it good or bad that Apple is the AOL of computers?
Thats not a serious question is it?
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This is a very silly thread, and about two months ago there was another one just like it.
The fact of the matter is, some people like windows, others like linux and still others like OSX. I fall into the latter, I was brought up on macintosh, so it\'s what I like. I am not used to windows nearly as much, so I don\'t like it as much.
Many other people were brought up on windows, are used to it, and thus use it instead of the others...
Nobody is correct and nobody is wrong quite simply it\'s a different operating system and different computer and different people like different things. Period.
I would agree with Kixie that yes Apple needs to branch out and let other people make parts and software for them. I would hate to see apple clones however. Nevertheless, the release of the mac-mini has brought the prices down considerably. Apple does not have a monopoly on the PC market, but it is an internal monopoly...
Also, if you\'re looking for a mac for cheap, look on ebay...
Finally, it does depend often what you are using the computer for...
by RussianVodka
From what I\'ve noticed, this is how computer users seem to panout now-a-days.
* Using comp to check news and read email - Mac
* Using comp to check news, read emal, and play games - Windows.
* Has good understanding of a computer, but is not a \"profesional\" - Customized Windows (Changed browser, player, privicy settings, system programms, and other files to own preferences.)
* Needs a computer to perform specific tasks (like Buddha) - Mac
* L33T Haxxor (figurativly speaking) - Unix
Unfortunately this is not entirely accurate, just your opinion. Here\'s mine:
Mac: Great for 2D graphics processing (the multistreaming processor). Moderate at 3D, but if you\'re wealthy enough to buy Maya, it\'s excellent for 3D/4D processing. Finally, it is good for mathematics especially those equation-crunching that require multiple streams going at once. Macintosh can also run most games (not all) it is simply that they are released later for the mac (by which time many bugs have been worked out).
Linux: I have never used Linux, who knows? I may like it more than MacOSX... But it seems Linux is excellent for those who like to program software and their own style of OS.
Windows: I have used many windows machines, I simply don\'t like the style, but I have nothing against people that do. It seems to me they are best suited for designing single stream programs (like in engineering) that will only be used once for a specific task. They also have lots of games (because game corporations are going to make their product for a system that holds 90 percent of people). They are also good at 3D processing, but try to run Adobe quick and well on an average PC...hehehe, it\'s like Humpty Dumpty. *BOOM*
So...in conclusion ladies, gentlemen, and Kran, there is no right or wrong in the computer world, people use what they like/are used to or for more advanced computer users, use a system that is tailored to their specific needs.
My thoughts,
Xirius
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For the love of God! Why does it always come back around to this.
No OS ir particularly \'better\' than another. They all have their flaws and their shining points. It\'s like saying that a salad fork is better than a dinner fork. It\'s a FORK!
I learned MAC OS on an old SE-II B/W and it did what I needed it to.
I learned Windows on an old 386 running 3.1 and it did what it needed to.
I learned Linux on a 1.2Ghz running Debian (and the hardcores laughed). It did what I asked it to.
It\'s an OS.
As far as the Apple Computer VS the IBM Clones
Simple buisness folks.
Apple closed its fist and held its assets in an iron grip while IBM said \"Hey, lets all get rich off this thing.\" end of story.
If Apple had allowed people to license their technology it would be a far different world.
Last point and the only one that matters in this whole rant. It\'s a computer: a tool for doing complex mathmatical calculations. We have learned to make it into the Swiss Army Knife of thechnology but it all comes back to how well it process the numbers. Are you aware that you can recompile OS X to work on Intell chips and clones? Or that you can rebuild the win32 kernel to work on the PowerPC 970FX apple uses? Why do you even start these OS wars.
It is like fighting about who has the better bat, the guy with the wooden one at 36inches or the guy with the 29inch alluminum. One has more reactivity and one have more controll. It\'s all in the aplication on the product. If you are a moron you can fire up a OS X or a Windows system and break it. If you are a middling user you can get around in either of them and if you are a Pro you can reskin, recompile or compleetly rebuild either one to react the way you want. Preference people, preference.
And yes I do have a Mac, it\'s my school laptop.
I also have a dual boot Win/Linux desktop.
Use what *you* like.
Learn what you don\'t know.
Become the pro.
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Gentoo owns everything. And portage rocks my life. :P
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*hands Xordan his well deserved bag of dirt* You win ;)
XpYtZ: I would agree, and we even have similar setups (school iBook, dual-boot win/linux desktop (the windows partition is currently collecting dust, though this might change during this summer, because UnrealEd 3 doesn\'t run on Linux at all (I tried damn near everything))).
It\'s so good to know that bigotry still lives on. Thank you for all your enlightening posts on the subject on why you are right and everybody else are wrong. So good to know.
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Windows is for people who want to chat, browse the internet, and play video games.
Macs are for people who want to do all of the above on a system that will never blue screen, and who have a little bit more money, and may be interested in video editing, sound, photography, etc.
Linux does everything. For free. And stable. OK there aren\'t too many games for it, but it runs Planeshift fine, which is the only game that matters.
Originally posted by Xordan
Gentoo owns everything. And portage rocks my life. :P
Yes, I agree with this completely. Gentoo is very very cool.