PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: tcd12642 on August 15, 2002, 04:09:38 am
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I mean through email, aim, etc, we could talk together and send files. how can i contact the admin, of the graphic design? I shall reveal my age:
less then 14
lol
that\'s all i\'ll say.
no guesing, I\'m not answering.
Although I do have expirience in max.
I\'ll post some images here.
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well post \'em quick cuz i like to criteque and like to help. plus i like to see what ametuers are doing, its kind of a way i measure my progress. ps check out my website i have a few things up and soon will have more...
http://spartanviii.tripod.com
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Seeing some of your work would definately help a bit :D
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heh, just make a .html file and a .jpg file of your work and in the .html file you specify the internet location of the .jpg (that is if you know html) and then upload both the .html and the .jpg and just post a link to the .html file here, and then people can watch your work :))
Edit: If you dont understand ill explain a bit more detailed
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in other words get a website...post your stuff there and then direct us to it...just like i did.
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if your not older than 16 you cant join the team, legal reasons n such i guess...it doesnt matter if u have 3d max 4 or gmax, i have made much nicer stuff on gmax then i did on 3dsmax, maybe its cuz i had been using gmax for so long, but its the person, not the program that makes the models.
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i totaly agree with ya cyonamie if you compare stuff i did with autocad to me max stuff you couldnt tell which was made with which.
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I\'m younger then 16, lol.
don\'t ask exact age.
(http://image1ex.villagephotos.com/extern/558000.jpg)
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Originally posted by Cyonamie
its the person, not the program that makes the models.
If its the person, they why does the age affect anything. I am 16, but how is there legal problems with you being under 16? Just my thoughts. Anyways the game looks good. I\'m amazed how far the CS engine has gone since I first tried out the alpha version when I was working with ... AGH I forgot his name ... in the xgameproject. Anybody here hangout in Gamedev chat?
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I suppose it is linked to that you are not allowed to work when you are under 16, at least in Europe
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hmmm... some mapped spheres... It doesn\'t show a lot of your abilities. Maybe something slightly more complex? Hey, I\'m not talking about cubes. ;)
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I suppose it is linked to that you are not allowed to work when you are under 16, at least in Europe
Not true, leagally you have to be 15 to work i think (at least in holland). Maybe the youger guys aren\'t responsible enough :D
(what am I saying, I\'m only 17... lol)
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GOSH I TOLD YOU I STARTED ABOUT A MONTH AGO, AND I HAVENT BEEN DOING IT NON STOP!
I have done a couple things....
.....with some major help though.... :D
http://www.light-sword.com
I helped dad design thata little bit.
Maybe I should do flash!
I\'m concentrating on weapon design now.
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don\'t go so hard on me, god!!!! X( X( X(
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I\'m not using my dreamweaver website (http://www.light-sword.com/max) right now, because it\'s moving servers.
I\'m using free image hosting.
It\'s good, they give you 4 extra megs of space a day....!!
http://www.villagephotos.com
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You must be atleast of age 16 to work but you can\'t really call it \"work\" as you do not get paid, if you can\'t \"work\" at all you can\'t even clean your own room, yippey!
As long as it\'s something non-profit you can\'t say it\'s real \"work\" it\'s just like a hobby or something, so I don\'t really get the point with the \"16 age rule\"
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I\'ve been watching this project for 2 years off and on, and every time I look at this board, I\'m amazed more and more by how dumb people are. \"You have to be 16\" ? That\'s complete bullshit. It\'s a volunteer based project and you could be 3 if you had the skill that they needed. Child labor laws don\'t apply.
P.S. I realize that Mephisto has already replied properly to this thread, but the ignorance level of people in this forum makes me so stock raging mad that I can\'t help but put in my two cents.
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u technically could be 14 to work in the united states, but i remember washi saying that they want to turn planeshift into an official organization, making it minimun legally 16...if not, someone could get a lawsuit out of this for agism or whatever, but less then 14, how did u get ur hands on 3dsmax?
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ok so maybe it\'s rather good that they have the 16 year old rule, I mean, they can\'t affoard to risk any lawsuits, I mean people sue anybody for anything these days just to get a nickel, better to just keep everything 100% secure just in case
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You must be atleast of age 16 to work but you can\'t really call it \"work\" as you do not get paid, if you can\'t \"work\" at all you can\'t even clean your own room, yippey!
Wrong. Helping PS is concidered voluntary work. And voluntary work is also work for the law.
Cleaning up your room, isn\'t voluntary, your mom demands it :D
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You must be 16 because Planeshift is being set up as an actual legal entity (non-profit) in Italy, so that all developers can sign a contract with Planeshift agreeing to donate their contributed work to the entity, so they can\'t take it back later if they get pissed and quit. We need to know what we own and what we don\'t own.
Under Italian law, you must be 16 to sign a contract of this nature.
This is my understanding.
- Vengeance
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but thats italian law, if someone doesnt live in italy it doesnt apply? another thing, dunno if its in italian law too, but you could get your parent or guardian to agree to it or somefin, i dunno, im not much for legal stuff
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Talad has not been talking to students or programmers, but instead *actual*lawyers*!!! :-)
We should probably defer to their expertise.
- Venge
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Originally posted by tcd12642
this board type is dumb, phpBB is better1
i can\'t upload my pix
with yabb/phpBB yabb mod, you can
I luv phpbb
part of the group :)
you forgot to mention how much working adding mods is.
not to mention that file attachments suck up space and bandwidth site owners don\'t want to waste.
I love phpbb too but it\'s had it\'s problems.
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Originally posted by ParaSite
You must be atleast of age 16 to work but you can\'t really call it \"work\" as you do not get paid, if you can\'t \"work\" at all you can\'t even clean your own room, yippey!
Wrong. Helping PS is concidered voluntary work. And voluntary work is also work for the law.
Cleaning up your room, isn\'t voluntary, your mom demands it :D
I cant do volountary work?!
HARR HARR, in your face church! i\'m not helping you again :D
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Im sure the Kid doesnt have a legit Copy, He probley got it from Kazaa, along with a few viruses packed neatly inside. I dont think a 13 year olds parents would buy something like that for him and I dont think a 13 year old could afford it on his own.
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You would be surprised at how few people have legit copies ^^, with a price tag over 3000$ american (around 7000$ in my country currency) its something people would rarely legitamatly see outside a Studio or University...
I my self have a, dare i say it \"Pirated\"copy, how ever no money was exchanged for it and theres virtulely nill chance of me ever being able to actualy BUY a copy so no money got robed from the software makers and i aint useing it for things that Im selling or making a profit on, add to that Im useing a fairly old version compared to the current and very altered 4 (i think 5 is coming out soon). Basicly my copy doesnt exist in all respects.
If I ever was in a position where i needed to make things for a commercial product I would buy a copy. After all at the end of it i would of have earned the money back.
Whats this got to do with anything.. not sure Im a little bored.
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I kinda agree here bigfoot, not many \"average\" persons can affoard to buy something like that, only massive game developers can, when they set the price at 3000$ they can\'t really expect many people to buy it, it\'s not something you just think: \"hey, I have nothing to do, I might aswell walk over to the shop and buy myself a copy of 3dstudio max\"
I think they would make a lot more money on it if they reduced the price, considering the cost of the software right now you might say it\'s a bit too... expensive,
but then again if they lowered the price to 1500$ it would still be bloody expensive and most people wouldn\'t buy it,
Just a thought
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I would buy it for that price. But not to much more than that.
The academic version is that much, however you have to be a student and live within the US (I think cant remeber) so that kinda screws me over, im no student and i dont live in \"mighty\"america.
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send me the money and i send you the max (http://img2.ranchoweb.com/images/cyonamie/moneysmiley.jpg)
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heh every single prog I have on my comp is either free or pirated. I\'m poor and lazy.
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People like you are evil, I can understand 3d Max, but pirating everything out there is ruining it for everyone, maybe your too stupid to understand, but when you dont pay for something that means the maker is out, however much it costs, when a maker doesnt get very much money, THEN THEY MOVE ON, meaning you dont get any more software, you are stealing, if you walk into a store and steal a bunch of junk and you continue to do this and get away with it and then EVERYONE does it, you think that store is gonna stay in business? Would you like it if someone walked in your door right now and stole the computer your using to read this? I think not, Maybe the developers here dont care about your piracy since they are working for free but if this was a Developer group with Paid Developers you would be getting Flamed out the ass right now, maybe you will understand more when the computer industry colapses because developers cant afford to feed their families.
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I somehow agree to you, Link. It\'s a lack of respect not to pay someone for his work... as long as you can pay for it.
I think we should always pay when we have the money AND wereally want to have that thing we buy.
I mean, there are things you would never have if you need to pay for it. Those are not worth the money, we can have them free. There are things we need, but they are so expensive we can not pay for them. We can have them for free, until we have enough money, then we pay. And then, there are those we like or need, and we can pay for them: we buy them.
The price we pay for the things we buy should not be seen as an obligation, but a way to thank all those who worked for us to have it.
That can not be a written law, and would be stupid if it was; only each one can follow it or not. I know really few people behave like that anyway.
Hell, I have just realized that my post isn\'t linked at all with planeshift, so it is a spam! AAARRGGHH I am a spammer! just joking :->
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I pay for anything I can pay for.
If there is something I pirate it\'s things that\'s
A: too expensive
B: does not excist in this country
Although if I have the money, I buy it,
When thinking of all those people making programs out there, they really deserve making some money for their work,
If everybody pirated there would be no more programs as nobody would want to create them cause they wouldnt make any money of it anyway.
I say buy what you can, let the hard working people get their buck.
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stuff like old atari games, nes, snes things r exceptable, but expensive is just a lame excuse for being a cheap ass. If it took them so long to create something, and the price tag of 3000 dollars does it justice, then u should buy it. seriously, u have seen wat great products have come out of 3dsmax, lightwave, maya, etc.
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Well not everybody can affoard something at 3000$
Say you are trying to become a modeller but with your current job you make almost no money at all (enough to buy food and pay your bills)
Maybe you get a 5-10$ ekstra each month, it would still take you a couple of years to save up to something like that, (about 25 years to be excact)
Most people cant affoard walking around hoping that 3000$ is gonna fall into their hands.
And not all places do they have \"studios\" or schools with these kind of programs, and if you are going for a serious job in modelling a program like 3dstudio max is what you need.
you can\'t avoid facing the fact that 3000$ is alot of money, offcourse the program might be very good and stuff but 3000$ could be a couple of months pay, which is, indeed, too much for the common person.
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Originally posted by Mephisto
Well not everybody can affoard something at 3000$
Say you are trying to become a modeller but with your current job you make almost no money at all (enough to buy food and pay your bills)
Maybe you get a 5-10$ ekstra each month, it would still take you a couple of years to save up to something like that, (about 25 years to be excact)
Most people cant affoard walking around hoping that 3000$ is gonna fall into their hands.
And not all places do they have \"studios\" or schools with these kind of programs, and if you are going for a serious job in modelling a program like 3dstudio max is what you need.
you can\'t avoid facing the fact that 3000$ is alot of money, offcourse the program might be very good and stuff but 3000$ could be a couple of months pay, which is, indeed, too much for the common person.
If a job accepts you for your skills in modelling im pretty sure you are going to get paid enough money to afford it. Their are free modelling or cheap ones that you can afford untill you are able to get a more expensive professional software. The better something is the more it cost. Just because you can afford a Pinto are you going to go steal a Porshe because you need it to get to work faster?
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Originally posted by Link
People like you are evil, I can understand 3d Max, but pirating everything out there is ruining it for everyone, maybe your too stupid to understand, but when you dont pay for something that means the maker is out, however much it costs, when a maker doesnt get very much money, THEN THEY MOVE ON, meaning you dont get any more software, you are stealing, if you walk into a store and steal a bunch of junk and you continue to do this and get away with it and then EVERYONE does it, you think that store is gonna stay in business? Would you like it if someone walked in your door right now and stole the computer your using to read this? I think not, Maybe the developers here dont care about your piracy since they are working for free but if this was a Developer group with Paid Developers you would be getting Flamed out the ass right now, maybe you will understand more when the computer industry colapses because developers cant afford to feed their families.
who gives a damn whether the makers make money or not. if its useful to you and you have the oppurtunity to snatch it for free,then i wouldnt hesitate to take it.I have also downloaded pirated software off kazaa.i dont care if im cheating anyone or if its stolen or pirated,if it benefits me ill take it.yea sure id be pissed if someone walked in my house and stole something,but if it doesnt happen to ME i could care less. if it happens to me ill care,if not then i dont care.
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Anything for you Aelya.
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Hey, Aelya, where do you live? I\'m going to empty your house... this way you\'ll talk different I hope. No, joking. Too expensive plane for so little.
Most companies ask for experience with the soft you\'ll use. And Kinetix does not suffer so much of the extreme piracy of 3DS Max: many and many youngs have discovered modelling because of that, some of them still do it more or less profesionally and then... they pay for that magnific software they have been using for years.
There is also the case that you are forgetting where the use you\'ll be getting of the software does not deserve the price. I have had 3dS 4 for years in my computer, and I modelled with it many things; do you think I would have done that if it would have costed 3000? to me? no way. It was just a hobby.You\'ll say I could have had a free soft. Why, didn\'t I had a free soft? I didn\'t pay for it. I just didn\'t have the licence, but I didn\'t need it.
I think this is the most common situation.
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Oh god forbid I steal a few bucks from some greedy rich guys over-stuffed pockets :O . I know I\'m stealing from him, I\'m happy doing it. I don\'t feel like filling some guys bank accountant when I can grab it for free.
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Originally posted by Link
If a job accepts you for your skills in modelling im pretty sure you are going to get paid enough money to afford it. Their are free modelling or cheap ones that you can afford untill you are able to get a more expensive professional software. The better something is the more it cost. Just because you can afford a Pinto are you going to go steal a Porshe because you need it to get to work faster?
You can\'t compare it, it doesn\'t take a long time to get used to cars.
But lets say you\'ve been modelling with a low budget program for a long long time, then if you were suddenly gonna use a new program (like 3dsmax) it would be a whole new program to start using, wich would mean you need to learn everything over again (oh well maybe not everything but it would still take a long long time)
If you are gonna be a professional modeller you can\'t stick to some \"cheap-but\" (avoiding the use of the A- word here) program, you need a good one, if you are just modelling for fun or something like that you can use a program like milkshape or whatever.
But if you are serious in modelling, basic milkshape skills wouldn\'t do.
That means you will have to learn another program, which would indeed take some time, and I doubt anybody would pay you not to do anything but learning something new.
Although if they do, good for you!
If I were serious about modelling I would most likely download 3d studio max, and then if I got a career in it, I would buy it, but only if I got a career in it, if I didn\'t become any successfull at all, I would not.
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Originally posted by elKano
Hey, Aelya, where do you live? I\'m going to empty your house... this way you\'ll talk different I hope. No, joking. Too expensive plane for so little.
as i said if it happens to me i will care. if it doesnt then i couldnt care less. and that kind of thing has happened to me. people have stolen things from me. they will do as they wish i suppose. and i doubt anything that happens will change how i think about this subject.call me selfish,and again,see if i care about that either.
Aendar: my point exactly
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Hey what if he broke into your house and duped everything you had in there, would you care then?
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duped? whatever that means its probably not good. but this is the last time ill say this. if it happens to me ill care. if it happens to someone else i dont give a damn.
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aelya and aendar, they way u see the world is its not skin off ur back. 3dsmax people make nill a year, and u dont have to adjust at all, gmax and 3dsmax r almost identical, with the exception of a few more shapes on 3dsmax, which can be made by a novice. the world doesnt revolve around u, u cant just go and grab wat u want, without paying a price, it may not be in money, but it sure as hell will catch up to u
you know what kazaa is? spyware
u know why? they will bust u for every single illegal program u have on ur computer eventually, i know this becuz my friend was caught. if it happened to u and u dont like it, then why would u do it to someone else? kill one man to gain a penny huh
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Duping = duplication, create an excact copy of something.
Gmax and 3d Studio Max is almost the excact same, it\'s even made by the same people (isn\'t it?)
Although finding a good exporter for Gmax is hard, and if you find one it will most likely not work.
Nobody would hire you to use a program like that when you can\'t even make .mdl files for it, although if the gaming company has copies of 3dsmax for you, it\'d be great.
but as I said, anything I like, I buy, anything I don\'t like, I don\'t even use, and therefore don\'t buy either. (imagine buying something for 3000$ that you later on decide you don\'t need 8o)
That\'s why I would download something like 3dstudio max (although I havent) and buy it later on when i\'m sure im gonna need it.
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Oh and by the way tcd, you made THE LIST
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well cyo. i would do it to someone else because it isnt me...and they can deal with it. just like i deal with my problems.i doubt it will \"catch up to me\" and i doubt kazaa is spyware. can you show proof that its spyware? if not then i doubt it very much.i know the world doesnt revolve around me. and i never said it did.yes i can grab what i want whether i feel like paying for it or not. do u really think i care if i put anyone at a disadvantage by doing that? i sure dont.
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what\'s the list?
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MY POSTS.....
::waah::
i\'m leaving planeshift forever
::waah::
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Aelya, have you had your head stuck up your arse for the past year? EVERYONE knows that kazaa is spy ware, go look around.
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Here is the link to KaZaA\'s site, with the policy and stuff, and what they say about spywere: KaZaA (http://www.kazaa.com/en/privacy/spyware.htm)
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Some of you people are self absorbed ass holes. just because you say that you dont care if you are stealing does not make it right. but you still wont admit that it is wrong. WHY NOT????? also i you are so hard up for cash just buy a student copy. you go to school or college and can get a copy for 500 bucks. thats what i did since i am JUST LEARNING. that is what that copy is for. when i am doing work i will use my copy at work. AND cuz i am folowing THE LAW i get a free upgrade to max 5. some thing YOU wont be able to just download right away. Also if you cant aford somthing it is for a reason. maybe you dont deserve it maybe you are to dumb to work harder for the money cuz these programs are not always fun and games. If you want it and deserve it you will find a LEGAL way to get it. people like you \'princess\' make me sick.
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Hehehehehehe this thread gets funnier and funnier. Don\'t worry Aelya let em say shit. I\'m a poor dumbass whos stealing from a bunch of big name American trash execs and damn proud of it.
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I just read the entire post, and i must say that i do agree with Spartan on some level. On one hand, the companies that make those programs do no suffer that much, since the number of ppl that bought the program versus the number of ppl that pirated it is fairly low. ALL of the big compabies, schools, universities, and colleges MUST have legal copies of the program that they want to use, and it must be on every single computer. So they still end up making a profit. Aendar and Princess, you two are by far the most selfish people i have seen, I mean, it\'s because of people like you that companies dump toxic waste into ocean, it\'s ppl like you that polute our enviorment and say that as long as it does not effect me, i could give a rat\'s @$$. WELL one day i hope it does effect you, and you will know what it feels like. Maybe it\'s just how old you are, but than again, even cyo understands that you will not get too far in life by being selfish. And maybe you should stop complaining about big companies, and how they fill their pockets because of you. They worked hard towards it, and made something of themselfs, that is why they are so big and rich. Maybe you should do the same? ?(
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Yeah ok that makes absolutely no sense. We\'re the reason that companies are dumping toxic waste???? We cause pollution??? what tha hell are you talking about. I have a couple of pirated programs for gods sake. And hell I\'d like to know how many of the devs on PS paid for their 3D progs.
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thnx alucard. These ingnorant ass holes are already affected by piracy. programs like these would not cost so much if they were not pirated Discreet comes out with updates every few years. this means that if you buy a copy of max 4 you are actually funding max 5 so if more people pay for it it will cost less. it is simple economics. these programs are not like stealing a carton of milk or a book. it is much worse. you are not wasting material money cuz it costs only a few cents too a few bucks to physically make these things. but unlike disposable goods like everything else the major costs that need to be paid are fixed costs. meaning that no matter how many units are made the same amount of money needs to be paid to the company.
and for all you ignorant bastages that are talking about \"not hurt snobby rich bussiness men\" or what ever you said...they are rich for a REASON. and i can garrauntee you that these people are not rich because they sat around and whined that it was too expensive to do something.
dammit you people piss me off. you feel that just cuz some one else has it i should too. well you shouldnt. my dad works from 8 in the morning untill 2 in the morning the next day to keep his company afloat. and i got news for ya HE OWNS THE BUSINESS. that means that he works for what he gets. his business is a little like the software business in legal terms. he designs machines. but if some one steals the designs they go to JAIL cuz its the real world and people understand what it means to work hard. maybe some of you people should actually try doing some honest to goodness hard work and then complain about not being able to afford some thing.
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By the way, vengeance, can you please not lock this post or delete it? i would like to see where it goes. i think some people need to understand the real world, and some one else may have valuable input.
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well how bout you all go \'buy\' a copy of all your little toys and help out the poor homeless business people.i know damn well its wrong but do you think i care? i wouldnt do anything to save money though. but i would go a certain leanth.yes i admit i am selfish when it comes to paying for things legally or snatching it illegaly for free.you see there is this thing called \'saving money\'. it lets you not pay as much or in this case not at all.and let you buy other things that you cant download off a computer. and this happens to be the best way to do that.i couldnt care less if its illegal.i dont care if i make anyone sick,or if i changed the way people think about me.i have always thought this way on this subject and nothing anyone says will change my attitude. this is a sensitive subject to me and i dont appreciate you people trying to change the way i think. whether you agree with it or not,its how i feel and by trying to change how i feel you are denying my freedom to be who i want to be and do what i want to do. is that not wrong also?
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I do understand Aelya. I was the same not so far ago. And I keep thinking law is not always perfect, I only follow the rules I believe they are right.
But, I have slowly understood that people around me do deserve my respect for what they do. When I take the bus nowadays, I pay for my ticket because I think on that poor guy who suffers of the traffic all day driving his bus. When I like some music, I buy the CD because the musicians live with that money. When I like a soft and find it useful, I pay for it because I know the work that has been done on it.
When I see a tramp or a punk begging on the street, I give them some money because I respect them for their courage.
I understand the value of money and life. That is why I share my goods with the ones who deserve it.
But I do not pay for everything I use. There are things I don\'t admit. For example, I have not paid for the windows XP I have. I disagree with their policies, but I f**ing need their soft to use many other programs I need. So I have it. For free.
*ANARCHY IS THE WAY* :->
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Well i\'m a communist so I kinda agree with those big fishes just hauling in the money, not all business owners just sits at home and have people doing everything for them though, and people like that are the people who deservers respect.
I agree half with both parts here.
I myself have understood that the people developing software deserves to earn some money doing it.
But for people without any money at all, it\'s not so easy, I have what I need, but If I didn\'t, then maybe I would download almost everything from the internet, I do not know, but maybe.
I understand that it is not easy living without any extra money at all, so you can\'t affoard anything of fun.
Offcourse it is easy for someone with money saying: \"Hey go buy the stuff you need\"
But if you do not make enough money at your job or if your simply not old enough, it\'s not so easy.
And when you have the opportunity to get something for free, without taking anything physical, that\'s fun, and you\'ve never had the money to get anything like this before, you seize the day.
I guess this is my last post in this argument as it\'s gone too far already.
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The only thing I disagree with in this thread is the hypocrisy.
Piracy is stealing. It\'s illegal. What is illegal isn\'t up to anyone here to define, but up to our respective governments and this is what they all say. If we were talking about a DVD movie, it would be no different. It has nothing to do with whether you can afford it, or whether you agree or disagree with someone\'s policies.
Software piracy is rampant and has been since computers were invented. People coming up with lame self-serving excuses why those rules don\'t apply to them is also nothing new.
People should just admit they are stealing and move on. There\'s no point in discussing it, because we\'re not going to legalize piracy and we\'re not going to prevent people such as yourselves from continuing to do it. No other field I can think of exists where the criminals think they have higher morals than the people they steal from. What a laugh.
- Vengeance
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Originally posted by elKano
*ANARCHY IS THE WAY* :->
no...anarchy is not THE way. it is YOUR way. remember that :P
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Excuse me can you please download AIm mephistO? I would like to talk to you in some sort of direct-message software. 8)
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tcd,
You have been told repeatedly to PM (private message) people instead of talking to them directly on the board here.
To do this, click the little \"PM\" button at the bottom of any message posted by the person you want to write.
I am not warning you again.
- Vengeance
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Yes sir.... :(
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u people can only get so far with piracy, ever wonder why big companies with big plans get shut down cuz they have to go declare bankrupcy suddenly? it isnt because no one wanted the product, its cuz they wanted it so bad and they knew a cheap way to get it, ignoring the fact taht it takes years to program that, learning to program is hard enough, and then designing massive software is a well earned 3000 dollars. thru pain in sweat, they earned it, learn to respect that, or someday u might be haunted by what u once did....(you work for a company designing the next big OS, they have completed the first version of it, an ultimate system, then u announce that u r preparing to design a second one, but guess wat, the next week you say good bye company because sales have been to low, guess why the sales were so low huh?)
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I thank that thread was over. I see now that I was wrong. But I think that will be my last post on the subject, because it does lead nowhere anyway.
first, personnal question: Aelya, what is YOUR way?
Have you got any at least? Have you thinked on that?
Because your attitude reminds me the US politics about the world: all foreigners are subhumans that obey and are there to satisfy your high life pretensions. It doesn\'t matter if they die.
Now, all USians will insult me. It is just an exageration of reality, that is not what I really think :-> Exagerations are good to make people react.
Vengeance, all I said was not limited to software piracy. It was about all fields of life. Laws are not necessary good. They are there because humans tend often to excess. They are just the simplier way. Not the best.
Last month I have earned 500? (~$500) for 4 entire weeks of work. How long will it take to me for buying some soft? I have to choose between a comp or some soft to put on it... that\'s not a choose.
Cyo, what company are you talking about? anyway, it doesn\'t matter. I know it is a problem, but just imagine piracy completely disappear. Do you think much more copies would be sold? Some more, but hardly enough to make a company survive, I think. Software is a domain where the production is so big that the market can not absorb it. Yes, soft market is enormous. But almost every computer have the same soft in it. The major production is from nerds to nerds.
I am studiing computer sciences. So I will probably have lots of job problems tomorrow. I am not talking about people I don\'t know. But I try to be realistic.
Now, I\'ll shut up :-X
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Some laws are not exactly good, you have to note 400 years ago pretty much all of them weren\'t . eg slavery etc etc...
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Originally posted by elKano
I thank that thread was over. I see now that I was wrong. But I think that will be my last post on the subject, because it does lead nowhere anyway.
first, personnal question: Aelya, what is YOUR way?
Have you got any at least? Have you thinked on that?
Because your attitude reminds me the US politics about the world: all foreigners are subhumans that obey and are there to satisfy your high life pretensions. It doesn\'t matter if they die.
your right that is a HUGE exageration. tell me, if the US cared so little about foreigners why do you think we have so many of them? foreigners are a big part of the US and they are not so degraded as your stereotype claims them to be.
and no i have no specific \"way\". i play things by ear.
There are things i care about and things i dont. whether people die or not happen to be one of the things i care about.
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man aelya you are really messed up. aome one should teach you the diference between saving money and being a lousy thief. (this is a refference to one of your old posts in case you are confused about that too)
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they may be different but they are connected. you save the most money by being a lousy thief. yep im a huge cheapass and im proud of it. you dont like it fine. hate me for all i care. but you will have to deal with it.
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What have I created ^^... Sheesh.
Then again I dont retrack my initial post, Just find it odd and mildly ammusing how people get so heated over things like this. (And just to add on my own position, I have bought every game Ive ever played, so I have contributed to the industry) I personaly believe in the GPL and GNU movement
http://www.nevrax.org/docs/gpl.php3 theres an example of the idea. Then again the buisness warlords of companys of microsoft and such would never become GNU.
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Well that is the planeshift liscense, so...
Aeyla, get off the forums!
jk, lol, haha :D
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Tcd, the big kids are having a conversation here ok?
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big kids? i think more of big mouth peanut, and if ur judging people by age, call me an ignorant annoying kid
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One thing I find funny about this whole discussion is that people are totally cavalier (don\'t care) about pirating commercial software, while in many cases the SAME people are totally hyper about open source licenses such as the GPL.
Whether it is a pay license or a free license, the violation is the same, and yet everyone is more hyper about the free ones, in which the injured parties have no money to prosecute or sue, saying who is going to sue who. When even Micro$oft, who have more money than God, doesn\'t sue people who pirate their software.
This should show you why companies worry about compliance if they use open source licenses, and thus, why they don\'t use them.
- Venge
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Ive never pirated a Microsoft software before, I bought win98 for 300$ (the upgrade package) from my local computer store and own Both Age of Empires which I bought myself. All my other microsoft software came with the Computers I buy. Then again I wouldnt pirate that crap ^^... then again AoE is a nice game.
I only responded seeing as you mention a \"Someone\" that mentioned GPL/GNU and that was me :P
Hmm lets see out of the 30 PC games i own only 2 are pirated \"War Craft 3\" (unplayable on teh net so virtualy usless) and Brood wars the expansion for Starcraft which is also unplayable on Battle.net (i bought Starcraft as my first PC game way back, after playing my friends pre-release hacked version and loving it so much) Warez to me is like try before you buy, if i like it ill buy it... aslong as I can actualy AFFORD it that is and usualy I can. and out of the 5 or 6 graphical programmes i use regulary only adobe and Max are warez... the rest I bought or are freeware.
So im hardly a badass pirate... nor am i cavalier. Just neutral. But Kids warez can have a bad effect so dont do em, just say no to warez but dont be affraid to experiment but know when to stop.
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Originally posted by Cyonamie
big kids? i think more of big mouth peanut, and if ur judging people by age, call me an ignorant annoying kid
i think he was referring more torwards maturity. and his little comment was pretty pointless and immature. so it had nothing to do with you.
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Bigfoot, believe it or not I wasn\'t actually targeting that comment at you but at the open source community in general. People are so hyper about PS license, GPL, LGPL, BSD, whatever, when the fact is that they routinely flaunt and ignore other licenses which are commercial. This is spite of the fact that the only people who really have any ability to enforce their licenses or come after you are the ones with the money--i.e. the commercial ones.
Comes from reading too much slashdot I guess. :-)
- Venge