PlaneShift
Gameplay => Newbie Help (Start Here) => Topic started by: Harold Shea on March 24, 2005, 03:36:26 pm
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Hi,
I have just started playing Planeshift. I am very impressed by the game engine, particularly graphics and sound. However, I start the game with no money or resources and I would like to know how best to acquire money early on to buy weapons, training, etc. Can anyone help out?
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Look for some quests... Although you may just want to find the sewers and start killing some rats. You can loot their hides and eyes to sell. Then you\'ll be able to afford the training, weapons, and tools you\'ll need to go further! For more specific help, there are generally some helpful people in-game. You can always join a guild and use GuildChat to look for help in-game. I\'m working on building a knowledge base for my guild members. :D
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Plus, you can look on the player guide on the planeshift web page. Its sorta helpful for the beginning newbie.
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well, its not. it doest say anything about that and the npc chat thing is rubbish. i like the engine and graphic etc. but the only quest that works is harmquist and i cant start it, all the other npcs wont give me quests.
btw, im getting ass whooped by rats
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Change to a defensive fighting stance. It should decrease the amount of damage dealt, but also decreases the amount of damage you give as well.
That\'s what I do, anyway, and I\'m still a lowly newbie.
~Indi
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Originally posted by rosmerelmer
well, its not. it doest say anything about that and the npc chat thing is rubbish. i like the engine and graphic etc. but the only quest that works is harmquist and i cant start it, all the other npcs wont give me quests.
btw, im getting ass whooped by rats
You must not be asking properly. There is one other quest that is fairly easy to complete, just a bit of running. And another quest you can pick up while completing the first one I mentioned, but it\'s not as easy to complete. And there are probably others I don\'t know about.
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there prolly will be but all people are saying that is nicer to find out yourself, well sometimes not. i wandered around for 3 hours not knowing what to do. there is a bug with harnquist and all the other wont give me quests.. btw, are there more places than ojeva magic shop and that castle?
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Yes, I don\'t feel the quest system on offer is very satisfactory. Even when I am given quests it does not seem too clear how to complete them. I am wondering around aimlessly for hours scratching my head. It seems to me there should be clearer aims and objectives, especially for newbies who don\'t have money, weapons,etc. I have never played any other MMORPG so i don\'t know how this compares but it seems quite difficult to get going.
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yes, is slightly limited, but then again, it\'s an alpha tech demo, so you can\'t expect much. The devs (I would assume) will add many more when they see how the six (I have found) play out with gaming...Remember we are here to test this game to help the devs come up with a final product that is excellent.
Harold Shea; if you are having trouble, strike up a conversation with someone in the tavern, make friends, then ask for help kindly and quietly... nobody will help if you if you complain. Also, I think the unclarity for newbies is part of the challenge and fun of this game...look at it from an rp perspective; you\'re a farmer\'s boy or girl who decides to off looking for adventure...well, it\'ll be damned hard the first couple of weeks as you have nothing...but you can work your way up, make connections, join a guild, and eventually be fighting ulbernauts with fire glyphs (yeah, I wish).
rosmerelmer; sorry if harnquist is bugged...but there are five other quests I know of that you can complete...ask around and explore!!! It\'s half the fun of the game and the worst that can happen is you\'ll end up in the death realm. Just don\'t fall down in the temple well.
Just my thoughts,
Xirius
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Originally posted by Harold Shea
I have never played any other MMORPG so i don\'t know how this compares but it seems quite difficult to get going.
Runescape is a decent mmorpg and it gives you many ways to make money etc. However, i have found out that many people get bored of rs much quicker than this and some other mmorpg. I believe a good challenge makes a good game.
Just expressing my feelings...
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i was member for two months of rs, and indeed it gets boring. thats why i play planeshift now! i found i believe 4 quests(1 was hernquist) but they wont give it to me, boehoe. i know now how to make money but i also think there should be more ways to make it. killing rats isnt my greatest fantasy...
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Yeah it\'s getting a little boring just killing rats...plus you have to find a good time when they actually pop out :\\
Hopefully soon there will be more ways to make money. I\'m not really complaining since this is just an alpha.
The only other way I\'ve seen to get money is there is a rogue in the arena that give drops every once in a while. The problem with that is 1) It doesn\'t fight back so it seems pretty cheap/lame 2) there is this guy that is almost ALWAYS there and he keeps a group so it\'s almost impossible to get to the thing anyway.
ah well
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Originally posted by MattFoo
Yeah it\'s getting a little boring just killing rats...plus you have to find a good time when they actually pop out :\\
Hopefully soon there will be more ways to make money. I\'m not really complaining since this is just an alpha.
The only other way I\'ve seen to get money is there is a rogue in the arena that give drops every once in a while. The problem with that is 1) It doesn\'t fight back so it seems pretty cheap/lame 2) there is this guy that is almost ALWAYS there and he keeps a group so it\'s almost impossible to get to the thing anyway.
ah well
Why don\'t you try asking to be a part of the group sometime? Sure, you have to share the loot. But it\'s better than not getting any loot.
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You can always keep doing the temple quest over and over for ... *fanfare* 4 Trias !
Seriously though. every time ive tried hunting rats there have been spawn campers there telling me to \'go find my own rat\' , would love to, except they are all camped to hell. The rougues that dont fight back are the same. Mining would be an option but to get the money for a pick i need to kill rats ... that are always camped. Seems the only solution is to log on at unusual hours when most gamers are sleeping.
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Originally posted by Karistina
Although you may just want to find the sewers and start killing some rats. You can loot their hides and eyes to sell.
Going back to the second post, Karitina mentions looting the hides and eyes of rats. I can easily kill rats but how do i loot them?
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Originally posted by Burntleaf Going back to the second post, Karitina mentions looting the hides and eyes of rats. I can easily kill rats but how do i loot them?
Double-click or right-click on their corpses. When you double-click, the \"Loot\" menu automatically comes up and you can select the items you wish to loot. Right-clicking will bring up the option menu and select \"Loot.\"
Rat only give about 7 trias per kill, but it\'s better than nothing.
Gobbles occasionally carry 1-3 trias, and they\'re just as easy to kill.
Remember, though! You\'re testing the game for bugs, not playing a full-fledged release!
I hope this didn\'t give out too much information.
~Indi
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Very wise.. I also assume a wipe before the real release.. or mayb around beta.
Well in good time, anyway a good tip.. log on at night, best time.. just go to a good spawn for literally 15 minutes to urself.. that should be enough time to get you a pickaxe and at least be able to mine. Worth A Shot :P
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yeah, i can make enough money for a pick easely.
problem is i cant buy it from hernquist cause HE IS BUGGED; and that really irritates me.
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There is a bug right now that you wont get money for selling to the NPC\'s but you should be able to buy anything from them.. If not then mayb both features are bugged. Just wait it out.
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Just pointing out there are other threads to talk about bugs so lets keep on subject.
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It was just a comment to make sure people knew :P
Also, good idea is to go get Progression Points (PP\'s) from rogues. If im correct, its about 3 every kill but usually no drop? Anyway its time well spent.
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I am getting tired of seeing these kinds of threads...i just hope that a Dev can write something like \'This in NOT a game, its a Alpha and we are slowly progressing towards a full GAME. You are a TESTER of this Alpha, but the testing period will discontinue once all skills, items ect. are in place.\' (If i am not 100% correct in what i said, please dont \'attack\' me ;), just suggest a better response)
I can tell you that heaps of people are saying in game ?this is a c*** game, I mean killing rats just suck.?
I think were losing people for ever because this is not mentioned enough and some newbs just download PS with out even looking what this is at the moment.
PLEASE Devs!! Anything like that will do :P
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No offence mondo but you are a bit of a killjoy. The game is also being tested out for gameplay and so if everyone ran around trying to find something that would crash their comp it would beee a bit pointless.
Ps i like ur fag sig its relly effctiv
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Originally posted by Burntleaf
Ps i like ur fag sig its relly effctiv
Which for the young Americans is not an insult...fag means cigarette in this case as Burntleaf is from the UK.
Just so there\'s no misunderstanding...hehehe. It\'s a cool signature I agree.
Xirius
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What a headache, as a matter of fact some people actually download games and read about them before just jumping and saying, FREE GAME! But I know of lots of people, young and old, who look at the screenshots and are like, wow i want this so they just dl it and powerlevel which is stupid since thats not even the point of this game. Plus its in alpha stage so there should be a way of pointing this out to newer players.. (Signals a headache).
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Originally posted by Burntleaf
No offence mondo but you are a bit of a killjoy....
I know but i want all newbs to understand that when the wipe comes, you shouldnt get all anoyed cause you put so much time and effort for \'nothing\'(witch is bs cause it gives you a slight head start;) ).
Originally posted by Burntleaf
...Ps i like ur fag sig its relly effctiv
hehe i was ALMOST offended Burntleaf when you said \'fag\'. In our school \'fag\' or \'faggot\' is another word for gay.
But thanks to provisionist1 for clearing that up for me :D
PS.Dont smoke!! :rolleyes:
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Actually, the wipe will be much better for anyone. Such there might be some discomfort because people tryed so hard on their characters but mostly, now the bugs will be gone when they do it and everything will be fair.
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last time when i looted a rat, it said \"theres nothing for me to loot\"
Wth is this?
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Well, if it was already looted, or if you looted and try relooting it, it should give you that message. If not, then its a bug and it should be reported.
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Right now, I have tested EVERY NPC I could find. The manual says to say \"give me a quest\" to get one. The responces were NEVER to actually give a quest, from what I understand, the NPC\'s are either understanding MISspellings OR all quests are simply BROKEN.
SO as things stand...at the moment...killing rats and running around exploring are the ONLY things to do. And there just are NOT enough easily located rats to go around (three spawns that I could find in four hours searching...and repeated deaths due to falling into water for more than 15 players at one point. Three or four on each spawn and three or four players wandering around looking for another rat spawn location.)
And right now you need enough PP and cash to train mining to FULL first level theoretical knoweldge or you can\'t even START to mine...which as I understand it is the BEST way to gain cash.
So YES, the brand new player has a world of hurt on them. A community that is ANTI newbie, or at least HARSH on us, unaware of our situation, and not enough mobs that new players can kill and little other way if ANY that they can gain cash OR level skills.
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You can also make money by asking other players if they have a job for you, some players (like me for instance :D ) are too lazy to go aaaallll the way to the magic shop to buy stuff when they are at the plaza, so they can pay you if you do this for them (what I often do, mostly when the NPCs are in bad mood though), or find a gathering of roleplayers and tell a tale, you can get paid for it.
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Originally posted by leji
You can also make money by asking other players if they have a job for you, some players (like me for instance :D ) are too lazy to go aaaallll the way to the magic shop to buy stuff when they are at the plaza, so they can pay you if you do this for them (what I often do, mostly when the NPCs are in bad mood though), or find a gathering of roleplayers and tell a tale, you can get paid for it.
That leads to people takeing the money and never returning... 8o
And trust me, you cant FORCE a person to give you your money back. I mean you may ruin there reptation forever but they can always make a new char :P
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Sure that\'s a risk to take, and that\'s why I dont give the money away like that, but after a few minutes of talk you see if you can be confident or not, and dont worry, I wouldnt actually do that with a 10k trias worth item :)
And you can make it more interesting to be loyal then to steal by proposing more jobs later on, this way if the guy does his job he\'ll have the opportunity to do more, better paid, jobs for you, if he steals, he just gets the money he stole. And if he makes a new char he will have stolen money for nothing
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Or there could be ways to improve the game for ALL kinds of players. More quests, more items and animations that enrich your pub going experience (mugs, HA, try harmonicas, the \"sit\" animation that detects the chair and puts your rump in it, what about those fancy lutes I been hearing about? or the \"cheer\" emote.... maybe some music in the pub, and the more people/players IN the pub some talking noise and laughter).
More mobs in various new locations (to spread OUT the hunters) complete with rich quests to kill some of those mobs (motivation for the role players to get some exercise and Mix and mingle with the *horrified gasp* hunters *cringe*).
Point is that ANY game CAN and SHOULD appeal to all kinds of players. Role players are not evil, nor are they gods, hunters are not evil...nor are They gods. And just because the game is aimed at one \"player type\" (social and role player) does not mean that the other three kinds should be rounded up and summarily \"reeducated\" or booted with various shouts of \"ROLE PLAYING GAME\" \"get lost powerleveling loser\" or other curses.
(and FYI I am not anti role player, nor am I a powerleveler...I am an explorer type, but right now the world is not THAT much of an explorer\'s hay day... so I make due with what I got...which right now is a Role play weak environment full of clones that can\'t sit, stand, dance, cheer, run in place, fall down or anything animated. We can\'t change expressions. And not much of a world for killing (which I happen to LOATHE...but you got another way of getting cash at a reliable rate so I can hit the pub, see a show, buy a hot dog with crisps or something?))
Instead of bemoaning the existence of something new...for instance the EVIL *lightening flashes* powergamer, Why not seek out a way to PULL them out of the sewers and into a working quest with backstory?
Instead of running to the new neighbors house with pitchforks and torches...why not invite him/her over for dinner and try to over look the BAD table manners?
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^^^
all will work out once more is added, but they cant really add more gameplay at this stage in testing, so we have to deal with the camping levelers (who im sure in a way are providing hard stress data the devs can read into)
One the wipe comes and hopefully more things are added, we\'ll see crowded spots ease up and see people moving out and exploring more and gaming to the fullest the game allows them.
The problem is players will join a beta game and play it as tho its finished, although they do help in a way, it can cloud those who joined to playtest the game to ensure when new content is added , its added in a nice easy bugfree way enjoyable gaming experience way.
patience is the key in any alpha or beta game
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My own two trias.
I\'m a super newbie at PS, but I\'ve gobbled up the player guide, trolled the forums, and have been the IRC channel.
I\'ve played for only a few hours, but during that time you start with absolutly nothing. Which is fine. But the only way to make money to buy anything and to start exploring is to camp and kill rats. Which is what I\'m doing. I hate campers, and power levelers but I feel forced to emualte tham.
The plus side is that even though you start with nothing. Unarmed combat is still pretty effective.
Now a quick question: How do you use progression points? And are there daggers in the game? I have a skill in daggers but I haven\'t seen any.
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/me leaps into the fray
First, welcome to Yliakum, Zaxim.
Second, before Moogie tells you, I will: The (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/images/ps/top_suche.gif) (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/search.php) button is your friend.
Now, progression points: You use these, along with tria, to buy skills training from the trainer NPCs. You need 42 tria to use one porgression point (pp), and you need several pp to train one level, depending on the skill. The good news: if you train in Melee, you\'ll find unarmed combat even more effective than it is now. The bad news: before you can do that, you\'re gonna have to kill more rats.
As for daggers: Planeshift is a work-in-progress. This means that many features and elements, like daggers, are not yet available. They will be, eventually. Some day. A good rule of thumb is don\'t train any weapon you don\'t already own.
Hope that helps.
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I was just about to post but Mr. Dave beat me too it. Anything else, im here to help.
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I guess most people complain about not getting heap money in no time... it\'s about only getting money from one kind of mob.
I bet the game testing would progress MUCH faster if the devs added some money to the loot tables of all monsters.
As you all like to point out: This is a test and not a real game. So please give the testers money so they can actually test the game engine. Because the game play itself is poor and we all found that out by now.
AFAIK content balancing -- like adjusting the prices so game play is fun -- is one of the last steps when building a game...
So please hand out money (and lower the prices) so we can actually test all the thing the game offers: magic, armor, different weapons. That way you, the DEVs, will get much more detailed and diverse feedback.
My two trias,
MC.
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Originally posted by Madcrimson
So please hand out money (and lower the prices) so we can actually test all the thing the game offers: magic, armor, different weapons. That way you, the DEVs, will get much more detailed and diverse feedback.
Actually, I agree with MadCrimson on this. I have yet to test the Trading system, Magic system, or armor. I\'m slowly getting Trias, but it\'s taking a long time to be able to test magic.
I don\'t mind being broke from an RPing standpoint. My character is a 19-year-old Enkidukai who recently moved to the city from Kran Village where her parents worked at a crummy tavern. She wouldn\'t have access to money! But from an alpha-testing standpoint, it would be handy to have easier access to liquid funds with which you could test the training, trading, magic, and questing systems.
Then again, I suppose enough people already have illicit Trias from bugs that have already been discovered, so maybe those testers are enough ^_^;
Originally posted by Madcrimson
My two trias
That\'s cute! XD
~Indi
editz0rz: Ah, and the only reason I\'m gaining any Trias now is because of the increased rat spawns. Don\'t think I\'m unappreciative of those... ;_;
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If you\'re completely broke with absolutely no skills, just go down to the sewers and look for rat eyes. I have seen more rat eyes laying around in the past few days..
Obviously the hides are more profitable so when players reach their capacity they\'d rather drop the eyes and get a few more hides.
Sure they are only one tria per eye but I have seen piles of 30. Heck, I saw a pile of 70 once. You can make some tria, keep the sewers clean, and learn your way around all at the same time. :P
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Originally posted by Mordaan
If you\'re completely broke with absolutely no skills, just go down to the sewers and look for rat eyes. I have seen more rat eyes laying around in the past few days..
The devs increased the number of rat spawns in the lower levels of the sewer. This means more people load up more quickly and need to lighten their loads. At one pound per rat eye vs. one pound per rat hide, hides win out big time.
Unfortunately, there are almost too many rats all in one place and I\'ve nearly been killed by them. (I had a mob of 12 attacking me all at once, heh)
As soon as you get a sword and some money, train yourself in the sword skill and you will quickly hit a lot more damage, making fighting a bit easier. Don\'t do this too much, though - power-leveling can be a bad thing!
~Indi
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Originally posted by MaidenIndigo
Then again, I suppose enough people already have illicit Trias from bugs that have already been discovered, so maybe those testers are enough ^_^;
Add to this all the people who got their crystals transferred from MB, cheated or not, and there\'s a pretty large playerbase with ridiculous amounts of tria.