PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: wormking on March 26, 2005, 11:29:50 pm
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I have a question about stamina. What happens when you don\'t have any stamina left? Do you need to rest or eat something?
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You are not able to walk/run/jump any more.
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When you run out, you just gotta rest till it gets (partially if you want)filled again.
I\'m gonna start a petition to remove the stamina function :D
It\'s damn annoying.
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Originally posted by DaBlade
When you run out, you just gotta rest till it gets (partially if you want)filled again.
I\'m gonna start a petition to remove the stamina function :D
It\'s damn annoying.
Ha, you know that they will never remove it. Modify it maybe but not remove it. Your time would be better spent suggesting ideas onto how stamina can be bettered.
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so when you run outa stamina the only thing you can do is just stand there. That sucks :(
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Agreed.
And who removed my petition thread? Why?
Isn\'t it allowed for a person to make a petition if he/she chooses to without somebody deleting it because they don\'t like it?
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well i think they should keep stamina but they should change it a bit. Like if you have no stamina left you can only walk slowly.
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be gratefulk you got an update, these guys arent getting payed for your entertainment :|
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Originally posted by DaBlade
When you run out, you just gotta rest till it gets (partially if you want)filled again.
I\'m gonna start a petition to remove the stamina function :D
It\'s damn annoying.
There is a reason its anoying this is an Rpg not a hack and slash. If it wasn\'t slowing people down (and thus anoying them) the powerlevelrs would be able to level out of controll who knows mabe it will even get some of them to leave.
I would like to see (if it is not already implemented) food and drink restore a little bit of it as eating/drinking a little bit always makes me feel a little better when I\'m tired.
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Originally posted by Hatchnet
Originally posted by DaBlade
When you run out, you just gotta rest till it gets (partially if you want)filled again.
I\'m gonna start a petition to remove the stamina function :D
It\'s damn annoying.
There is a reason its anoying this is an Rpg not a hack and slash. If it wasn\'t slowing people down (and thus anoying them) the powerlevelrs would be able to level out of controll who knows mabe it will even get some of them to leave.
I would like to see (if it is not already implemented) food and drink restore a little bit of it as eating/drinking a little bit always makes me feel a little better when I\'m tired.
Sorry, but stamina won\'t do anything against PL. They can simply grind on as usual, just slower. But since everyone else will also be slower, the same gap will be there.
I think it is annoying, but can be tweaked.
Alright, while it\'s not realistic, it could be made to only kick in if you\'re above your maximum carry weight. After all, the DR isn\'t perfectly realistic as well, but rather a convenience in order to not make the game frustrating. Stamina isn\'t going to go away, but it should be tweaked a little more IMO.
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The main reasonit will slow powerlevelers dow is because it will interupt their drive rate. And no the same gap will not be there as when we stop to chat like we already do our satamina will slowly regenerate interupting our movements less than it interupts the movements of the powerlevelers since they will find themselves haveing to stop and wait for it to regenerate before they can continue moveing on to their target area.
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Originally posted by Hatchnet
The main reasonit will slow powerlevelers dow is because it will interupt their drive rate. And no the same gap will not be there as when we stop to chat like we already do our satamina will slowly regenerate interupting our movements less than it interupts the movements of the powerlevelers since they will find themselves haveing to stop and wait for it to regenerate before they can continue moveing on to their target area.
I usually chat while on autorun or autowalk, just as one would do IRL. Furthermore, most of the time, you don\'t chat while on the road, but when in the city or at the destination, at which point you don\'t need stamina as you\'re not running anyway...
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Just train Endurance.
My endurance is about 90 and I can run from Hydalaa to Ojv. without stopping. the only thing that will stop me is if I try to jump around alot. I\'ve also noticed that i loose more stamina running up a hill that across a flat serface. I think that was a nice touch.
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Originally posted by Seytra
Originally posted by Hatchnet
I usually chat while on autorun or autowalk, just as one would do IRL. Furthermore, most of the time, you don\'t chat while on the road, but when in the city or at the destination, at which point you don\'t need stamina as you\'re not running anyway...
Strange if I am walking somewhere and I see someone I want to talk to I useualy stop and talk to them both in rl and ingame. Since in both it is extreamly hard to talk to someone if you are walking/runing past them. And you will useualy find this sort of ocurance happeing while you are traveling not while you are standing still.
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Originally posted by Hatchnet
Originally posted by Seytra
Strange if I am walking somewhere and I see someone I want to talk to I useualy stop and talk to them both in rl and ingame. Since in both it is extreamly hard to talk to someone if you are walking/runing past them. And you will useualy find this sort of ocurance happeing while you are traveling not while you are standing still.
Well, when I meet someone or, even more common, when I am heading to the same destination as someone else, I will talk while walking. Like, for example, if we meet to walk to Ojaveda, or to / from the mines.
@ Socrates Demise: This isn\'t really that much of an option, now is it? After all, there might be good reasons (even IC ones) to not have ridiculously high END.
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Two different ways of doing things I guess. Though what do you do if you meet someone who is going the other way or who is not planing on moveing very far? Both far more common occurances for me.
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Originally posted by DaBlade
And who removed my petition thread? Why?
Isn\'t it allowed for a person to make a petition if he/she chooses to without somebody deleting it because they don\'t like it?
It wasn\'t a petition, it was a request for a lot of people to simply post their email for a seemingly stupid cause. If you don\'t like what is in PS, you have a problem. You don\'t have to share this problem with everyone else, but if you choose to do so, make a discussion about it. Put up some valid arguements about why it is a bad idea. Making a threads where you want people to say \"I AGREE\" is -bad-, and I will keep deleting them.
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Originally posted by Hatchnet
There is a reason its anoying this is an Rpg not a hack and slash. If it wasn\'t slowing people down (and thus anoying them) the powerlevelrs would be able to level out of controll who knows mabe it will even get some of them to leave.
I would like to see (if it is not already implemented) food and drink restore a little bit of it as eating/drinking a little bit always makes me feel a little better when I\'m tired.
Exacltly.. besides how will you know how long your klyros can fly? He/She can fly as long as they have stamina.. plus in real life can you fight 500 times in a row without rest? OF COURSE NOT XD
(also we need to adress this.. why dont diaboli have wings? its completely practical.. also if they are gonna have the holy weapon weakness like demons they should get thier wings as well :/ )
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@ Socrates Demise: This isn\'t really that much of an option, now is it? After all, there might be good reasons (even IC ones) to not have ridiculously high END.
Seytra: This seems to me to be the only option. If the Charactor does not have the stamina to run all teh way to Ojv. then they won\'t be able to. In real life if you find you cannot do something you want ot be able to do you have to train to do it. The same is true in this game.
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Originally posted by Socrates Demise
@ Socrates Demise: This isn\'t really that much of an option, now is it? After all, there might be good reasons (even IC ones) to not have ridiculously high END.
Seytra: This seems to me to be the only option. If the Charactor does not have the stamina to run all teh way to Ojv. then they won\'t be able to. In real life if you find you cannot do something you want ot be able to do you have to train to do it. The same is true in this game.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious. :rolleyes:
I totally noticed that this is the only option as things stand now. However, I\'m asking for a change to things.
I don\'t deny that stamina is realistic. And I even see validity in it\'s presence. However, I think that it would be detrimental to implement it 100% realisticly. Just like death, perfect realism would make the game frustrating.
However, maybe I\'m just accustomed to running, and it is more realistic to have distances take long to cover.
However, I don\'t think that my END of 42 is that low. After all, Enkis INT is 40 by average. Yet, I haven\'t met one Enki that was being RP\'d to be dumb, while I\'ve seen at least one Kran who was RP\'d that way, despite that Kran have 45 INT on average. Not even Enki NPCs are in any way dumber than their non-Enki collegues. So if 42 END is low, then shouldn\'t 40 INT be just as low?
@ Hatchnet: Of course this will make me stop and chat for a while. However, as of yet, this has happened almost exclusively at either source or destination of my travels, and rarely inbetween, so that there isn\'t any need for regeneration anyway. Maybe this\'ll change in the long run.
I like Necronomium\'s idea from this thread (http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=15698&boardid=11&styleid=3#8), which should really be just a minor change to the current implementation, which already depends on carried load.
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Well this is where you need to think of this as a whole.. if you dont have enough stamine you would get a tame to carry you (if it can be ridden) or buy a horse or other beast of burden *later implementation* just like in real life.. can i walk from Dallas to Houston? of course not.. thats why i have a car :P
Also wouldnt beasts of burden or tames have stamina as well? (much more then thier master usualy but you still cant ride an animal nonsop... hence the early term \"oh its about a 3 stop horse trip\" stops being about 12 hours if you went non-stop with the exeption of letting the animal rest)
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If we\'re discussing how to make the idea better, while keeping it realistic, I have a couple comments.
First, if you\'re near death, and engaged in combat (can the server tell if you\'re engaged?), you should get a boost in stamina. This reaction happens IRL when you have the fight or flight reaction. (You can fight a little longer, or run away if need be...)
It might be suggested to have a trainable skill called running or cardio, but I think you could do this by training endurance. Basically figure out some set of rules that train your endurance - the most realistic would be running for long periods of time at low stamina. (Cardiovascular excercise is generally defined as anything that gets your heart pumping at a higher rate for more than 20 minutes - or five minutes in-game.) Theoretical knowledge from your master would include form, and breathing techniques - it is also realistic in that someone who runs a lot, really can fight longer (these two aren\'t mutually exclusive IRL).
Going with the idea of collapsing like stats - why do we have both mental endurance and mana? I can see how realistically they are two different things, but in practice, is it nessacary to have two stats?
I suppose some mental activities like practicing a trade would use mental endurance, but not mana, but again, it seems like you could collapse the two. Maybe get rid of mana all together and make PS more unique? (Especially since they are based on the same exact stats [int, will, char] if I\'m not mistaken.)
It seems like it could work, and it almost makes life easier for the settings team when explaining what each of these stats are.... I guess it all comes down to how attached the community is to the concept of mana.
Comments?
P.S. That\'d be a great job for people like the Explorers! They could buy a jinriksha and sell tours of the city and rides to Ojaveda! :P We already have models of carts - how hard is it to shrink them a little and put in a seat? ^^