PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Adyna on April 06, 2005, 04:53:47 pm
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The PlaneShift Times Issue # 2 is published today!
Sent to all subscribers and because I\'ve had some spare time, it is also up online at http://www.pstimes.co.uk/issue_2.html (http://www.pstimes.co.uk/issue_2.html)
Crystal Causes Catastrophic Changes - Find out the real reason why we all mutated 8o
Interview With Local Celebrity - Here we catch up on the gossip :rolleyes:
New Breed Of Outsider Causing Concern - Find out how to spot them
The char \'Sov Head\' has a secret about his past that he\'s not too keen for people to know about - we reveal all :P
Elise\'s Diary - Even if you are a PlaneShift veteran you\'ll not stop chuckling at the adventures of this Hydlla Dweller
Rogues Gallery - Find out what a pair of Rogues did to the Temple :evil:
To subscribe go to http://www.pstimes.co.uk (http://www.pstimes.co.uk) and get issue # 2 before we run out of copies :tongue:
**If you have already subscribed and not received your copy or are having difficulties displaying the newspaper please reply in this thread.**
The PlaneShift Times - Legends in the Making
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i never got my copy. was reduced to reading it online
also you made a spelling mistake
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Didn\'t recieve it either. Will read it online instead.
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Well now I got my copy of the first issue (finally) but I didnt get the second one. (E mail: oliver@gratkorn.info)
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Originally posted by Drey
also you made a spelling mistake
It is not very helpfull if you say \"you made a spelling mistake\" - tell me where or better still go to http://forum.elite.t28.net/index.php?showforum=9 (http://forum.elite.t28.net/index.php?showforum=9)
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mistake in the most important section of the paper....
my discovery
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I just read the web edition and I found several grave mistakes in the first article, and also one in the last one, all of which seem to hint at a severe lack of historical background knowledge (http://www.planeshift.it/setting.html).
Errors in the first article:
1) Yliakum is underground. The article reads like it is talking about a planetary surface. Most importantly, there is no visual access to the planets surroundings, rendering any form of astronomy impossible.
2) The crystal is not a star. It doesn\'t generate light by itself, but instead simply conducts the light that arrives at the surface of the planet Yliakum is part of to the cave inside the stalactite that is Yliakum. It simply is a giant crystal column, of which one end penetrates the surface of the planet and the other ends in the roof of the cavern ceiling of Yliakum. It is the source of magic, but technically not of light; it simply slightly alters the light\'s spectrum a little, shifting it towards infrared.
3) The crystal is nowhere near even one lightminute from the upper or even lowest level of Yliakum. In fact, Yliakum is only several kilometers from the surface, and the entire planetary diameter is dramatically less than a lightminute (assuming an earthlike planet, it would be ~12,742 km, whereas one light second is 299,792.458 km; even a gas giant planet like Jupiter is only 11.2 times the earth radius or ~142,710.4 km, approximately half a light second). The actual sun of the planet which Yliakum is part of may well be ~8.3 lightminutes from the surface of the planet, like earth\'s sun, but this is not relevant to the crystal.
4) The races of Yliakum possess the same amount of \"mutating power\" as RL humans do: zilt. The mutating powers come from the crystals magic, not from the races themselves.
Error in the last article:
1) If there is any such clear distinction, Laanx would be the god of evil, while Talad would be the good god.
Edit: I admit that the Laanx priest isn\'t quite clear on this, but, well, he\'s a Laanx priest...
Apart from this, the paper is enjoyable.
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Who says laanx has to be evil? She may be \"wrong\" in the story, but there are just as many people in real life who are \"good\" who do evil things all the time. It\'s all relative to a person\'s opinion. I myself find talad an evil woman beater :P
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Originally posted by Seytra
I just read the web edition and I found several grave mistakes in the first article, and also one in the last one, all of which seem to hint at a severe lack of historical background knowledge (http://www.planeshift.it/setting.html).
I\'m sorry but your reply shows a distinct lack of scientific knowlwdge. If someone told you the world was flat you would no doubt believe them. When playing Planeshift look up - the sky is blue, ask yourself why that sky is blue. Look around you, admittingly there are a distinct lack of flowers but the grass is green and so are the trees. Ask yourself would these be green without ultra violet - or very little ultra-violet light as you are suggesting. How does photosynthesis take place?
I believe the historical background knowledge is given to us not as law - but as a starting point to build on.
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There always is a chance (and that being a quite big one I might add), that some races would notice lack of stars in the night or that instead of ball of light, during day we all see a glowing ceiling.
Not to mention the Explorers guild, founder of which was supposed to leave the Yliakum by going to the surface.
Also Laanx appears to me more like a god of chaos, whilst Talad would quite nicely do the job of a god of law.
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Originally posted by Adyna
Originally posted by Seytra
I just read the web edition and I found several grave mistakes in the first article, and also one in the last one, all of which seem to hint at a severe lack of historical background knowledge (http://www.planeshift.it/setting.html).
I\'m sorry but your reply shows a distinct lack of scientific knowlwdge. If someone told you the world was flat you would no doubt believe them.
This is really nice. :) In fact, I find it hilarious! :D You see, I was thinking \"Oh, Adyna probably just didn\'t bother to read up on PS, oh, well, maybe the info wasn\'t found easily enough...\" heh, but here you go, not just completely disregarding all of my pointers, but also, on a grand scale, proposing that not only minor details of the official background might be scientifically incorrect, but that the entire thing is only some sort of collection of ideas that anyone can change and ignore as they please!
You see, this sheds quite a bad light on you, not necessarily as a person (you may well think all stories and RP rules are just BS), but as someone who pretends to be a roleplayer. You see, roleplaying doesn\'t mean you\'re free to do as you please. In fact, it means that you stick to the setting that you are in, and very closely. Yes, I know, the idea \"My char arived from some other world\", or \"it\'s a god\" or whatever, which is disturbingly popular in PS for some strange reason, already indicates bad RP, but I was not going to bring that back up yet again; alas, it fits in quite neatly with your complete, and obviously intentional, disregard for the background of PS, and the rulemakers. Thank you for showing this so clearly, so that I know I need to avoid even trying to RP with you! :tup:
Originally posted by Adyna
When playing Planeshift look up - the sky is blue, ask yourself why that sky is blue. Look around you, admittingly there are a distinct lack of flowers but the grass is green and so are the trees. Ask yourself would these be green without ultra violet - or very little ultra-violet light as you are suggesting. How does photosynthesis take place?
Well, you know that photosynthesis doesn\'t even use ultraviolet light? Did you also know that plants use the red and the blue parts of the spectrum, and that this is the reason why they are green - they don\'t completely absorb the green part? So, quite obviously, it is no problem for plants to exist without ultraviolet light.
Furthermore, the fact that the sky is blue simply means that the spectrum is at most shifted from ultraviolet to blue, which still is well within the photosynthetic spectrum of plants.
The absence of UV light, assuming it is complete, will simply mean that people won\'t become tanned by Yliakum\'s sun.
So it is quite clear to me that the absence of UV light does not prevent plants from being green, nor the sky from being blue. In fact, if photosynthesis depended solely on UV light, the plants would not need to absorb any visible light, and thus they would be white and probably even close to clear.
Edit: see this page (http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/farabee/BIOBK/BioBookPS.html) for an absorption spectrum. It shows that absorption of EM radiation with short wavelengths (UV) is quite minor in comparison with the remaining visible spectrum, proving that UV light is far from being a necessity for plant growth.
Originally posted by Adyna
I believe the historical background knowledge is given to us not as law - but as a starting point to build on.
Yes... to build upon, not to completely disregard it. That\'s a huge difference, you know?
@ Draklar: Yes, but that\'d be about as much \"astronomy\" as it can ever get... Also, Yliakums people know that they are underground, and they also know that there is this giant crystal column conducting light from the surface. There are also stories from the first settlers who came from the surface, or the surface of some other planet. They may have been diluted over the hundreds of years, but nevertheless they won\'t be completely lost.
As for the interpretation of Laanx and Talad:
I said there isn\'t any clear distinction. And Laanx might be chaotic, but OTOH, she gave inflexible laws to her people. Now this may be chaotic, but may not. And in fact, neither of them are wise, or have been. Talad was unlucky in that his little ego-boost created such a mess, but both were equally ignorant and stupid to attempt it in the first place. :P
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IC: Didn\'t you know? The sky is blue because blue is Talad\'s favorite colour! :P
OOC: A blue sky means two things - the crystal emits visible blue light, and the atmosphere contains lots of nitrogen. The average space between two bonded nitrogen atoms is equivalent to the wavelength of blue light, because of this, we get an ideal slit/scattering affect. This is also why things that are further away seem more blue than others.
IC & OOC: I could be wrong, my memory is pretty bad.
P.S. I didn\'t like the scientific motifs either, but still, lets keep it friendly people. ;)
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scribed by Seytra
\"My char arived from some other world\"...which is disturbingly popular in PS for some strange reason, already indicates bad RP
Hey! My character does that. But I take no insult, as my story is so damn good.:] And prove me wrong.:P
But I agree. Even though my story and RP is a little off the wall (I insult the gods a lot, even saying strait out that they aren\'t gods, but fools) but I try to stick like glue to what I do know about the history of Ylaikum.
I like your paper a lot, Adyna, but I was hard pressed to swallow some bits. You know the ones. I would like to see the paper continue, but not flaunting our history like that. I look up in the game and see a cavern ceiling. There is no arguing with that. In this case, the world is flat, figuratively. :)
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I recieved my first issue via E-Mail, but that is it. can you please send it to me.
Thanks.
Cobrec A.K.A
Montecrisco
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ya, I didnt get my second either :P As alot I see :) Ill read it online, but perhaps if you wanne fix it :)
niekdejong13 at gmail.com
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Now that I finally got my issue per email, astronomes in PS? Well they would have a very hard time. Yliakums \"Sky\" Is the sealing of a huge stalactite (Just to remind we are inside the stalactite) in a even huger cave.
About the ceiling being blue: just a theory, but the ceiling could be of a mineral which absorbs red and green light.
And it is quite sure that what we see above is no real \"sky\" in our means, and our source of light is no real \"sun\" (just a \"window\" through which sun shines in at some times and doesnt shine in at others), how could you explain that the sun fades instead of rises and sets?
by Seytra
\"My char arived from some other world\"...which is disturbingly popular in PS for some strange reason, already indicates bad RP
Well I really hope that this is just generalization, for I as Aeden dont come from here. I was \"thrown\" here by accident. Personally I think that there is a difference between: \"....., and so comes that I originally come from an other world\" or \"....., and out of that reason I was stripped of my divinty and left behind as simple mortal\" and \"I am from an other world because that r0x0r!\" or \"I am god!!\". Well but maybe this is just because I daily praise the printed out version of Chain of Souls. Aeden I just cant say often enough how well written and exciting your story is (I gonna read it a third time, though, because I still dont understand everything, but I am close to it ;))
About your paper Adyna, it is mostly very entertaining, but nonetheless you should check back the facts and consider them before writting an article about it. It doesnt get your paper a good reputation if it continues to have such fundamental errors.
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Who says laanx has to be evil? She may be \"wrong\" in the story, but there are just as many people in real life who are \"good\" who do evil things all the time. It\'s all relative to a person\'s opinion. I myself find talad an evil woman beater
Sure Laanx is a bad woman/men... I started to think on Talad as \"the bad guy\" when he beat on Laanx. Talad, you\'re a god, but your mom never taught you the \"don\'t beat in women\"? *gets struck by a lightening
But Laanx kept killing the Klyros when they arrived in Yliakum, when Talad tried to forgive her/him she/he refused. Also Laanx is greedy... she/he wants more and more power... we\'re doomed if that ever happens, poor Talad will be turned into a woman as he turned Laanx in a man... or er... mmm... whatever he/she is.
If Talad wouldn\'t beat Laanx, the world would be better... and Laanx would still be a beautifull, sexy, female God ;)
*forgot what was the topic about and goes check
Ah, er... the 2nd Issue was from another Yliakum in another dimension?
Anyway, don\'t point those things, it makes a person embarassed, send Adyna an e-mail or write in the forums as she said...
Adyna, don\'t go down I like your newspaper :D
and read the PS history too, so that way these kind of things don\'t happen again ;)
And I think a person that questions what\'s written it\'s a good thing...
As for the astronomy thingy... er... I shall dig through the rock myself to reach the surface, and build an Observetory up there... and see with my own eyes what I\'ve seen written in books, then we\'ll have astronomers ;)
I think everyone noticed Adyna didn\'t do it on purpose and maybe she didn\'t read the PS history, or maybe she did... anyway, everyone got that something was wrong with the issue. So, er... can we just drop it? ok?
Adyna, the newspaper\'s issues should be reviewed by someone, just an idea.
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I think, Lordbug, no man can underestand a hurted woman.
Regards.
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Umm... I don\'t want to offend anyone. Honestly, this isn\'t just a flame, but am I the only one who finds the idea of a newspaper great, but the information contained in this newspaper dead boring? Seriously, I don\'t think there\'s been a single article interesting enough to read through completely.
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Originally posted by Lordbug
Sure Laanx is a bad woman/men... I started to think on Talad as \"the bad guy\" when he beat on Laanx. Talad, you\'re a god, but your mom never taught you the \"don\'t beat in women\"?
Huh? When did Talad beat Laanx? The only thing he did was to get charged up on magic and then approach Laanx, which made the magic uncontrolledly arc over to her and disfigure her? He\'s an idiot, but he didn\'t intend to hurt her in any way?
Originally posted by Lordbug
when Talad tried to forgive her/him she/he refused.
Erm, also, Talad didn\'t fogive Laanx, since there wasn\'t anything she\'d done that\'d need forgiving... he tried to apologise to her, and she refused that.
Originally posted by Lordbug
If Talad wouldn\'t beat Laanx, the world would be better... and Laanx would still be a beautifull, sexy, female God ;)
Originally posted on the settings page
When Talad, imbued with the crystal\'s power, came close to her to create the first creature of his people, a tempest of chaos burst forth from the god\'s hands and hit Laanx on her face, penetrating deeply into her body, and she became forever disfigured.
Not Talad hit Laanx, the magic he had summoned did, without his control.
Thus, Talad was acting irresponsible in his impatience and his obvious need to do everything someone else did, ignoring that he didn\'t know anything about the things he was tampering with, and blinded by his wish to show off, but he wasn\'t intentionally harming anyone. He was grossly negligent, a complete and utter fool.
Originally posted by Lordbug
Anyway, don\'t point those things, it makes a person embarassed, send Adyna an e-mail or write in the forums as she said...
Oh, come on! If you don\'t want to be critised for not knowing basic things, check them before you post... :rolleyes:
As for sending a PM: So everyone who discovered these things should send a PM? Since, without knowing that others did already, how\'d anyone know that it had been pointed out already?
It\'s the exact same thing as the \"Talad hit Laanx\" thing above, nothing more, nothing less: the paper was announced, advertised and linked to on this board, thus it became part of it in a way. Commenting on outside sources that are linked to in posts is a normal thing, the only difference is that the author is also registered here in this case, but this IMNSHO makes it even more sensible to comment on it here.
And for the forums... I only register on forums I intend to stay active on. I avoid registrations whereever possible, for it is just a trick to bind people to one site, and I strongly oppose this. Furthermore, it\'s their guild forum, and it should be obvious that I don\'t think high of their guild, to say the least.
Originally posted by Lordbug
So, er... can we just drop it? ok?
Fine.
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Posted by Seytra
And for the forums... I only register on forums I intend to stay active on. I avoid registrations whereever possible, for it is just a trick to bind people to one site, and I strongly oppose this. Furthermore, it\'s their guild forum, and it should be obvious that I don\'t think high of their guild, to say the least.
You got generally two options: 1. Register on forum. 2. Send Adyna a PM.
We made that forum as a section of our forum, so the interested people will
not need to register on the multiple forums, and for PS Times to have some
kind of workshop not to trick people into our site. Even if every nice person
is welcome on our forum, anyway if you are not willing to register on our
forum, there is always option 2 left - to PM Adyna here. That forum is rather
intended for the people who would like to stay connected to the PS Times,
for example contribute, if you want to post a single comment you may either
use option 1 or 2, depends which one you are comfortable with. We have
opened our guild forum for everyone, why not? There are enought SQL
queries for everyone, and if we want something to stay inside the guild we
have our hidden sections for that. Anyway, nice to know you don\'t think
high about us, even if you don\'t know us.
Regards.
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Originally posted by Platyna
2. Send Adyna a PM.
I have already commented on that option.
Edit: besides, Adyna doesn\'t seem to read PMs, anyway.
Originally posted by Platyna
Anyway, nice to know you don\'t think
high about us, even if you don\'t know us.
Well, although I indeed didn\'t bother to inform myself more closely about you, I have seen quite a few things and posts by you or your guild members that left a really bad impression with me (I\'ve actually read a bit of your site). They all have been discussed elswhere by others, and it\'ll suffice to say that nothing you or anyone from your guild posted in order to justify them managed to change my opinion.
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Quote: Originally posted by Lordbug
If Talad wouldn\'t beat Laanx, the world would be better... and Laanx would still be a beautifull, sexy, female God
Quote: Originally posted on the settings page
When Talad, imbued with the crystal\'s power, came close to her to create the first creature of his people, a tempest of chaos burst forth from the god\'s hands and hit Laanx on her face, penetrating deeply into her body, and she became forever disfigured.
Not Talad hit Laanx, the magic he had summoned did, without his control.
Thus, Talad was acting irresponsible in his impatience and his obvious need to do everything someone else did, ignoring that he didn\'t know anything about the things he was tampering with, and blinded by his wish to show off, but he wasn\'t intentionally harming anyone. He was grossly negligent, a complete and utter fool.
Didn\'t remember the History, only used what someone said... Talad was stupid in using magic that he couldn\'t control quite well... and even though he knew he didn\'t know much about it, he still did it near Laanx, so he kinda intended that to happen... Both Talad and Laanx are young and for that kinda stupid. Magic Mugs are a thing worthy of worship, specially when you can control them :)
Laanx explained to Talad that she had made the Lemur as if they were a fruit of the two. But the jealousy Talad thought Laanx was lying and made their own, and ended up with with the Krans...
And I meant \"apologize\" not \"forgive\", thanks Seytra, confused the two words.