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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: Mofy on April 08, 2005, 12:58:45 pm
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ONLY a patent on the tech, not a prototype:
REPAEAT not a working model.
artical taken from another site:
LONDON (Reuters) - If you think video games are engrossing now, just wait: PlayStation maker Sony Corp (SNE.N). has been granted a patent for beaming sensory information directly into the brain.
The technique could one day be used to create videogames in which you can smell, taste, and touch, or to help people who are blind or deaf.
The U.S. patent, granted to Sony researcher Thomas Dawson, describes a technique for aiming ultrasonic pulses at specific areas of the brain to induce \"sensory experiences\" such as smells, sounds and images.
\"The pulsed ultrasonic signal alters the neural timing in the cortex,\" the patent states. \"No invasive surgery is needed to assist a person, such as a blind person, to view live and/or recorded images or hear sounds.\"
According to New Scientist magazine, the first to report on the patent, Sony\'s technique could be an improvement over an existing non-surgical method known as transcranial magnetic stimulation. This activates nerves using rapidly changing magnetic fields, but cannot be focused on small groups of brain cells.
Niels Birbaumer, a neuroscientist at the University of Tuebingen in Germany, told New Scientist he had looked at the Sony patent and \"found it plausible.\" Birbaumer himself has developed a device that enables disabled people to communicate by reading their brain waves.
A Sony Electronics spokeswoman told the magazine that no experiments had been conducted, and that the patent \"was based on an inspiration that this may someday be the direction that technology will take us.\"
(Now this raises some ethical questions, and might just be the end of the world as we know it.. discuss....)
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hack one up and moderate it to work with planeshift :D
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I would like to see it one of those sony things. In ps.. :P
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Anyway that has so many implications.. plus isnt untrasonic sound bad anyway.. not to mention prolonged exposeur to YOUR BRAIN... with some arcane device AIMED AT YOUR BRAIN XD yet another way to dumb down america even faster then season 36 of \"the great racing survivor bachelor millionairre makeover\" or Bill \'O Reilly, whichever :]
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hey, the sooner we get vr and holo rooms the sooner no one will ever get killed or kill, cause they could do it in there and it seem so real :) well.... dreams eh :rolleyes:
bring on the television idea where you can put your hand in the screen and take what you want.. mmm snickers advert
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That\'s scary. Even if they come out with these things, and they work with 100% without fail, I\'ll still stick to my mouse and keyboard as long as possible. Too much realism is just a frightening though.
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The Matrix will be born unto a corporation, not unto a race of machines. Think about it. People will pay good money to immerse entirely into another world without having to think about this one.
Then suicide as they run out of cash and have to work again.
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Originally posted by Monketh
The Matrix will be born unto a corporation, not unto a race of machines. Think about it. People will pay good money to immerse entirely into another world without having to think about this one.
Then suicide as they run out of cash and have to work again.
Now that is an unsafe prediction. You can only predict how anyone will react to this kind of experience. It mostly won\'t be as addictive as crack, but needs to be regulated just as responsively as gaming or internet surfing. Anyone already addicted to the internet, will most likely find this as a new high, but anyone not addicted most likely will not become addicted. Or at least only as much as we are now to the internet. I doubt anyone\'s going to kill themselves over it though. :rolleyes:
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Actually, some Internet addicts have been known to commit suicide after a bad experience in the digital world. Bullies also exist on forums and online games- think about it. If you can\'t find a safe haven even on the Internet, it\'s not such a strange idea to want to just die.
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this is actually a dream thing! it is not a good idea, for if anything went wrong. take for example that they do this but afterwards something is wrong with that person, as in they some how become stupid because they hit a part they shouldnt hav on the brain, or u die from it. too much realism in games is not good. i dont like the idea, grownups think they kno everything and wat to do, well lets just say im sticking to pc. no virtual rooms! no laser beams onto my brain( as if i want to get any more stupid. :-) jk) lol.
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Well reading and writing, input and output are learned at the same time in language as in computers.. If one can transmit basic images then one can also write new one...
*Loading Sony Video Game ver 1.0.gov*
*Deleting English.... Done*
*Installing Newspeak.... Done*
*RESET biological clock TO Jan, 1, 1984.... done*
*WRITE to MEMORY \"You want to \"vote\" for bushes, the government is only out to help you, Any who deny the goverment and its ideas which are only to help you is out to hurt you therefore all who decry the government are a danger to you and should be destroyed. The Amozon isnt shrinking and the enviroment is fine.. after all the goverment is taking care of it\".... Mindwash complete*
{Thank You For Choosing Sony For All Your Neo-Conservitive Fascist Needs!}
*REBOOT*
So i mean :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Foresteer
Well reading and writing, input and output are learned at the same time in language as in computers.. If one can transmit basic images then one can also write new one...
*Loading Sony Video Game ver 1.0.gov*
*Deleting English.... Done*
*Installing Newspeak.... Done*
*RESET biological clock TO Jan, 1, 1984.... done*
*WRITE to MEMORY \"You want to \"vote\" for bushes, the government is only out to help you, Any who deny the goverment and its ideas which are only to help you is out to hurt you therefore all who decry the government are a danger to you and should be destroyed. The Amozon isnt shrinking and the enviroment is fine.. after all the goverment is taking care of it\".... Mindwash complete*
{Thank You For Choosing Sony For All Your Neo-Conservitive Fascist Needs!}
*REBOOT*
So i mean :rolleyes:
God... I swear, you people are so paranoid 8)
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Originally posted by Mofy
ONLY a patent on the tech, not a prototype:
REPAEAT not a working model.
artical taken from another site:
\"was based on an inspiration that this may someday be the direction that technology will take us.\"
(Now this raises some ethical questions, and might just be the end of the world as we know it.. discuss....)
It indeed raises some ethical questions... just not with the device, but with the patent system.
This patent basicly has patented, as they state themselves, a plain idea, without even knowing if it will work, and, most importantly, without having ever done any work on it!
This means that they are just patenting anything they can think of, and then just wait for someone else to come up with that idea on their own and actually manage to get it to work, just to then steal his invention and money because they have \"invented\" it before.
That\'s exactly what\'s being done here. :tdown:
Just like software patents, this ia a patent on an idea, and thus an intrusion into the freedom of thought!
The real danger therefore doesn\'t lie in the idea itself, but in the practice of granting patents on it! That is how corporations will eventually rule the world: by patenting everything they don\'t want you to think, and then suing you for patent infringement if you think it anyways. They\'re already doing it to programmers, and they\'re just getting started!
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i dont know if i like where this is going with forester so frankly pointing out that technology like this can be explioted. imagine wakeing up and feeling the need to get *ahem* pills cause some \"spammer\" implanted the message(need) into your mind o.O yeah its not going to be a very nice future.
but still we shouldn\'t ignore the positive possibilites of the idea like being able to heal the deaf and the blind.
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ONLY a patent on the tech, not a prototype:
REPAEAT not a working model.
artical taken from another site:
LONDON (Reuters) - If you think video games are engrossing now, just wait: PlayStation maker Sony Corp (SNE.N). has been granted a patent for beaming sensory information directly into the brain.
The technique could one day be used to create videogames in which you can smell, taste, and touch, or to help people who are blind or deaf.
The U.S. patent, granted to Sony researcher Thomas Dawson, describes a technique for aiming ultrasonic pulses at specific areas of the brain to induce \"sensory experiences\" such as smells, sounds and images.
\"The pulsed ultrasonic signal alters the neural timing in the cortex,\" the patent states. \"No invasive surgery is needed to assist a person, such as a blind person, to view live and/or recorded images or hear sounds.\"
According to New Scientist magazine, the first to report on the patent, Sony\'s technique could be an improvement over an existing non-surgical method known as transcranial magnetic stimulation. This activates nerves using rapidly changing magnetic fields, but cannot be focused on small groups of brain cells.
Niels Birbaumer, a neuroscientist at the University of Tuebingen in Germany, told New Scientist he had looked at the Sony patent and \"found it plausible.\" Birbaumer himself has developed a device that enables disabled people to communicate by reading their brain waves.
A Sony Electronics spokeswoman told the magazine that no experiments had been conducted, and that the patent \"was based on an inspiration that this may someday be the direction that technology will take us.\"
(Now this raises some ethical questions, and might just be the end of the world as we know it.. discuss....)
Damn, they did it again. get off my head!
That\'s something kinda of what I wanted to do when I grew up, I even studied alot about it and bla bla bla... But mine\'s diferent and better, bit more \"Ghost in the Shell\"ish
Indeed Seytra! They should only register the patent of anything after they done it or after they started working on it.
I think I\'ll just register the patent of a er... word, like \"Hello\" and for using it people had to pay me 1? :P, or of the mmm... Tenis ball
You guys are so open-minded and optimist
Just imagine the possibilities, it would be great! And instead of someone just send a virus to you com and just mess it, it would the same but with your brain... like the idea... Also, brain-hacking is great... :P
ok, enough of the \"worse side of this\"
This idea is great! it needs more development... this shouldn\'t only make input of stuff, but output too, it\'s usefull for games, we could do more stuff, instead of \"/me pulls \'s tail\" we would actually do it...
Also it\'s not a \"dream\", it can even be done better...
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Originally posted by Foresteer
Well reading and writing, input and output are learned at the same time in language as in computers.. If one can transmit basic images then one can also write new one...
*Loading Sony Video Game ver 1.0.gov*
*Deleting English.... Done*
*Installing Newspeak.... Done*
*RESET biological clock TO Jan, 1, 1984.... done*
*WRITE to MEMORY \"You want to \"vote\" for bushes, the government is only out to help you, Any who deny the goverment and its ideas which are only to help you is out to hurt you therefore all who decry the government are a danger to you and should be destroyed. The Amozon isnt shrinking and the enviroment is fine.. after all the goverment is taking care of it\".... Mindwash complete*
{Thank You For Choosing Sony For All Your Neo-Conservitive Fascist Needs!}
*REBOOT*
So i mean :rolleyes:
1.SONY isn\'t a conservative lobby company. It\'s an electronics producer. (Which is a very competitive field.) It does have good brand presence, but I\'ve never had anything from SONY that didn\'t last until I broke it: there\'s a reason they have good brand presence.
2.We\'re talking about rearranging neurons here, you\'d just wipe the guy\'s memory, not be able to write anything new into it.
3.If anything, uber-liberal/extremist hackers would be doing the mindwashing.
4.Don\'t worry, your tin-foil hat will protect you!
I\'ll go with Seytra here and say that a patent without a prototype is just BS. That\'s the main concerning issue here.
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I remember hearing about this technology last year. The context was with soda dispensers. When you walk by a coke machine on a hot day, you\'d hear in your mind the crisp sound of a bottle opening; how could you resist? Makes me think of the futurama episode about commercials inserted into peoples\' dreams.
If the technology has long term effects of damage, it\'ll probably be banned to the blackmarket after someone files a lawsuit. Otherwise, hey, we can really emerse ourselves in another plane. Let\'s just make sure it\'s open-source :-)
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Right - just imagine viruses on this scale! a virus into one of these programs would be unbelievably destructive, being able to affect your senses, make you taste and see things you sooooo dont want to.
What about porn, sorry to be so vulgar but to quote Jacky Treehorn \"interactive erotic software, wave of the future dude, 100% electronic\"
(Spyware stealing your thoughts and ideas)
I agree on the patents thing. Things that could benefit everyone should be open.
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I\'m all for open sourcing ideas like this, however, the arguments about it being a bogus patent are a teeny bit misplaced if you will.
1. You cannot prevent people from developing an idea or thinking it because you have a patent. You can only stop them from making money on it.
2. Patenting theoretical devices is crucial to the concept of the patent.
Example: You get an idea. Sony hears about it. You are poor, they are LOADED. They beat you to the prototype and then patent your idea. You are officially screwed out of any royalties.
RL Example: Some company has filed a lawsuit against MS for using \'their\' coding idea in the new OS, LongHorn. MS claims their engineers came up with it indepently. Knowing MS, they\'re probably telling the truth, but still, the patent at least gives these people the opportunity to fight back.
Note: I don\'t agree with the system, but if you\'re going to knock it, know what you\'re talking about. :)