PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: remvak on April 09, 2005, 03:17:45 am
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I admit that I don\'t go on planeshift as much as I used to since the item glitch but whenever I check the pub is always empty, and yet you always see crowds of players at the plaza chatting.
My point: people don\'t goto the pub anymore, now it\'s no longer a pub, it\'s merely another building in a big world :(. Now i\'m not complaining about the collapse of our once great community, this is simply a plee to all to try and use the pub more often, to me wee need it to boost the roleplaying factor in the game.
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It\'s my personal opinion that sitting in the tavern all day does not equal RP. ;)
Some people who chat in the Plaza do roleplay, but admittedly alot of them just troll around OOC-like (Sarrow, Azerus and the guild Civil Containment come to mind here).
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well not sitting there all day obviously ;), but when i\'m in there i\'m always made to rp, so I think it enforces it
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It was the place rp\'ers went to escape ooc people. The rp\'ers eventually gave up and thus the end of the tavern. :(
Im usually there when im in cb or out exploring.
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Remvak, I\'ll make ya a deal. And anyone else out there. Minus real life getting in the way, I\'ll buy the drinks sunday night! (6ish to whenever PM, MST, 4/10/05) And just in case I can\'t make it... well... this post is preaty near the top... let\'s see who else can show up that night! Be nice to meet some of the forum members I haven\'t seen in the game yet. So start thinking up some stories and what not. And while your at it, grab a newbie and bring em. I wish someone would have done that for me when I started.
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As my dwarf char i drop by there for a short drink and quick nap....after some mining.
i even rp-ed onced when no one was there... that felt a little stupid.
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I beg to differ .. I see people in Kada-El\'s tavern almost every time I come online. There are still several RPers I know that frequent the tavern to get some rest in between their busy PS lives.
I guess you just live in a different time zone than most or come on at odd hours. Don\'t give up though .. there are still people who come there, myself included ;)
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I felt the need to post this, since you guys are allready discussing the tavern...
I too see people venture into tavern sometimes, though it looks pretty haunted most of the time, with only the chef in... The thing is that, I\'ve seen waaaay too many OOC enkis hanging on that pillar above the entrance door. In general I oppose strongly to people acting like statues on the plaza and the tavern windows... what\'s up with that? I mean, it kinda destroys my Rp mood when I see \"hagers\" and \"statuetters\" in general.... what point does that have?
I realize that it CAN be quite amusing (and possible) to have a drunk enkidukai walk over the roof and other \"highly dangerous\" places around the tavern, even to hang from the pillar... but not a DWARF! any thoughts?
sorry for the long post...
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you know what ilvoe to do when im out of the house?
i like to go to new places, climb things and just sit there by myself watching over the scenery in the breeze, its peaceful and serene.
peopel standing on the walls in the plaza might not be standing, the might be sitting soing this, i know i do sometimes. and certainnly when sitting is implemented.... if.....you\'ll find me doing this on roofs and other high places
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I do that a lot too, looking stoned while standing on the roof of someones house :$, but still, a lot of players just leave their characters at the plaza while they chat, a character isn\'t a car, it\'s your avatar so I think more people should try not to become just another part of the scenery
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I think the OOC/IC problem comes when us new players enter the Plaza. I know I initially began starting trying stay in character - by asking \'do you know anywhere I might be able to get a quest\', but I didn\'t know that Quests had been disabled, so the talk had to immediately drop to OOC so that that could be explained.
Perhaps if the \'Help\' panel was more of a chat-room format instead of an \'ask a helper\' format (I didn\'t want to trouble someone by putting forward a help request for my silly little questions) or if a new OOC \'room\' could be made to keep that sort of speech there, then it wouldn\'t interfere with IC chat.
Not really sure - I\'m sure I\'ll have more comments when I\'ve had a chance to play for a while! I\'m looking forward to talking fully in-character soon though, once I know what I\'m doing in this world!
Oh yeah - the tavern was packed when I visited earlier!
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What the hell?? It\'s like you guys go to some alternate dimension pub, but anyway, I don\'t want to cross the different forum rooms together but in the wish list someones has put forth the idea to put all noobs in an academy where they are taught everything, I think that would solve our OOC problem
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why is everyone obsessed with \'being stoned\' its nothing special :rolleyes:
i had a nice little speech there, then someone brings up drugs *sigh* i\'ll have to move to a different rooftop
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Meh perhaps they are tired of RPing within the tavern, although it does bring many things to RP since it is such a well put together building with the pub area, bedrooms, cooking area, rooftop etc...
Some people would sit all day in a tavern as RP because perhaps that is their characters safe zone a place they feel most comfortable at...there is no limit to where you can RP considering this world was built for just that :P No one also has the right to tell you what RP is and isn\'t because it varies to each persons imagination.
If you want some more attention within the pub announce things aloud recruit people to join you there for whatever you wish to do, stage events.
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Originally posted by DepthBlade
Meh perhaps they are tired of RPing within the tavern,
RP? Oh nonono my friend. Who needs RP when you can have all sorts of other stuff going around in tavern? For example you can talk about vampyres, weed, breakdancing, cell phones, newspapers, PCs, console games, coke or pizza... and you will surely find many people to talk to, because those topics are *way* more popular than that dull role-playing... But of course that\'s not all! You can also \"rofl\" every second sentence and throw insane number (and you would think 100.000 is a lot...) of fishes at people at once! All irc style! With so many possibilities, tell me... who needs role-playing?
Nothing but sheer fun! :)
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My my Draklar, that\'s what I call cynism. :) Luckily it\'s not that bad most of the time.
Ohh and Remvak, don?t draw conclusions that fast. If you find the tavern empty three times in a row, I could easily be just bad luck. Like Zan said, it\'s often quite crowded in there.
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Oh well I just said what I would consider RP doesn\'t mean everyone will follow up on those kind of things, perhaps they should be redirected to a chat channel on IRC if they are just talking about real world stuff such as cell phones etc...
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I would love to see the pub a tad larger, seemed too small to shove a few Kran into. I would like to see a best of the best Karioki night at the pub. Or a weekend buffet, or Sunday brunch.
When I went exploring I did poke my nose in, but there wasn\'t even a barkeep, there was that cook guy, but he didn\'t even have a watered down Ale or wine.
Oh well, many more players will come over time, RP isn\'t dead as long as this game has a pulse...which I believe it does.
I find that all games/tests have a cycle they tend to follow, the world gets busy during the spring and summer, and people actually go outside a bit, kids go to college or come home from college, and people go on vacations, and there is either a lull or glut around Christmas (really depends upon the game). Either way, over my almost 6 years in EQ, and other games...I never really lost friends for good, they went away, and came back. I was more than ready to welcome them back.
I am sure once the finals are all done (high school and college), and the graduations are over that many people will return. Have faith.
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I so agree with you, the pub is a good place to RP, but far from the only place. It is possible to RP on the road exploring with a friend, at the Blacksmith, on the way to train a skill, on the way to mine. That is one reason I suggested all the game improvements that I did, they would pull those on the fense about RP into the RP side of the game, and it wouldn\'t hurt those that could RP if their characters were stick figures wearing paper sacks, sitting in a cardboard box.
I try to RP in say and shout...if I can, and keep the OOC in tells...if I can. That way the only person getting the illusion of immersion/fantasy is the person that asked the question (which when you don\'t know how to move or do basic stuff, the illusion isn\'t there for you yet anyway).
I agree, if you are looking for RP friends and the pub is empty, announce the arrival of a new barkeep with rare and exotic libations (drinks) and culinary skills as well. And then race to the pub and watch people come. Some might not realize that the food and drink are imaginary...but they can learn (like kids teaching each other how to eat \"ice cream\" when they couldn\'t get one that day. I could taste it...how about you?)
Advertising works IN game...just like out of game, and it can be done in a role play fashion. What would you say if you just opened up a new pub in a bustling town...to pull in the obviously thirsty people (well they are gathered around a fountain aren\'t they??)
Originally posted by DepthBlade
Meh perhaps they are tired of RPing within the tavern, although it does bring many things to RP since it is such a well put together building with the pub area, bedrooms, cooking area, rooftop etc...
Some people would sit all day in a tavern as RP because perhaps that is their characters safe zone a place they feel most comfortable at...there is no limit to where you can RP considering this world was built for just that :P No one also has the right to tell you what RP is and isn\'t because it varies to each persons imagination.
If you want some more attention within the pub announce things aloud recruit people to join you there for whatever you wish to do, stage events.
Edit by Moogie: Posts merged into one. Please do not doublepost.
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I think there is less emphasis on the plaza now than before. The darkness bug back in the days of yore meant that you pretty much had to sit tight and wait for things to brighten whenever you spawed in the hydlaa city area, due to death, logging in, /spawning, or whatever. What else are you going to do to kill the time except chat with the dozens of people in the same predicament as you?
Beer has such a nice way of lubricating the innards too, getting a great many things flowing freely, conversation being one of them.. the tavern is a natural place for it.. a refuge, a bastion against the harsh, brutal and non-alcoholic world that is terribly deprived of tasty essentials like rat stew and fermented trepor bile.
The vast majority of intruiging-oh-damn-I-cant- log-off-because-I-want-to-see- what-comes-of-this encounters happen in the tavern, its a far richer and more diverse world with it, and its all spontaneous and unique stuff.
I think its perfectly IC for dwarves, drunken or not ( seriously, has anyone ever seen a dwarf in a state of sobriety? I dont believe they exist ) to clamber around on rooftops. Short-man syndrome you know, they have to go prove themselves by doing things that the other races arent quite nuttty enough to indulge in. Theres that sense of overconfidence that comes from being in a permanently inhebriated state too.
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Moogie, I double posted because I thought that the one post would be too long, or confusing.
Tharizdun yes I did see a sobering dwarf once, it was sad and horrible.
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personaly I think remvak must be a dwarf cause he\'s very interested by the pub...
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Lol, yes...I am a dwarf....just one that happens to be very tall and red :D. I don\'t care about it that much, i\'m simply pointing out that it is one of the focal points of roleplaying and so when I never see anyone in there I got worried.
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Try looking around for roleplayers other than the tavern. I found a nice guy in odjava I rp\'ed with for like 10 mins. Just keep your eyes open and stay out of the sewers ;) The hydlaa plaza has a few running around most of the time too.
Its kinda sad that in PLANESHIFT we actually have to look for roleplayers. I would expect this from runescape of somthing.
EDIT: O M F G Post # 1000!!! I didnt even think I was at 900 yet... I need to stop coming here :P
Well, I think this deserves a party :) Ill give more info on it later :)
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In the Molecular Blue times people used to gather in the Temple and chat there, the tavern was almost empty...
As Zan said when I\'m there it\'s full and usually full of Role Players...
Originally posted by Demarthl
you know what ilvoe to do when im out of the house?
i like to go to new places, climb things and just sit there by myself watching over the scenery in the breeze, its peaceful and serene.
peopel standing on the walls in the plaza might not be standing, the might be sitting soing this, i know i do sometimes. and certainnly when sitting is implemented.... if.....you\'ll find me doing this on roofs and other high places
Exactly, sometimes I do the same... just sit somewhere where it\'s kinda dificult to reach and whatch and see people asking \"How the hell you got there?\"...
Perhaps if the \'Help\' panel was more of a chat-room format instead of an \'ask a helper\' format (I didn\'t want to trouble someone by putting forward a help request for my silly little questions) or if a new OOC \'room\' could be made to keep that sort of speech there, then it wouldn\'t interfere with IC chat.
mmm... it might help, in Anarchy Online there\'s a system like that, I always get flooded by it... and there are some other stuff, if it was a channel everyone could say something and there would be things like:
P1 - What\'s the big red building?
P2 - It\'s the Laanx Iron Temple
P3 - No it\'s not the temple it\'s Talad\'s!
P4 - It\' not a Temple it\'s a church!
P3 - Speaking in churches, I don\'t go to one in ages!
P4 - Neither do I...
P1 - er.. so what\'s it?
(blah blah blah, you can see where is this going to be)
So, I don\'t think it would be very usefull, they would flood people, newbs wouldn\'t get proper answer and it would generate a chat...
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A bar keep would definitely be cool. One that walks back an forth behind the bar would be even better. That way even if no player was in the tavern, it would feel more inviting by having some movement and life going on. Maybe, the developers could even get the bar keep to toss some bottles around when he\'s making drinks :-), just like the movie cocktails! That\'d be really cool.
Oh, and I wouldn\'t mind a good looking waitress either ;-)
One last, thing what is a bar without, beer mugs, shot glasses, and spilled beer. If I remember right the bar top looks mighty empty. Penderin calls for another pitcher while he waits for the barkeep to find those beer mugs he\'s misplaced.
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Originally posted by scooter
A bar keep would definitely be cool. One that walks back an forth behind the bar would be even better. That way even if no player was in the tavern, it would feel more inviting by having some movement and life going on. Maybe, the developers could even get the bar keep to toss some bottles around when he\'s making drinks :-), just like the movie cocktails! That\'d be really cool.
The day devs put NPC barkeep to Kada-El\'s, will be the day when they\'ll start hearing me whining about it even more than I whine about dermorian model :rolleyes:
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Lol, dude I doubt you will ever see shot glasses in a medievil pub, that\'ll be the day you see f-16 fighter jets fighting over air superiority over the city.
Nice idea about more npc\'s in the pub though
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Heh, mostly when I go to the pub it\'s empty. Once I did go and there was someone pretending to be barkeep and talking to this other guy. But I didn\'t have anything to say so I just stood there and pretended to drink.
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The Tavern is usaully full, it just matters when you come into it, but lately it has been more empty then ever.