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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Adyna on May 01, 2005, 10:47:53 am
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The PlaneShift Times Issue # 3 is published today!
And what a bumper issue we have for you this time!
Sent to all subscribers and it is also up online at http://www.pstimes.co.uk (http://www.pstimes.co.uk)
Is it A Spell Or A Plague, Will The Gods Protect Us? 8o
Meet Lordbug Dosaki and Agara Pendragon on their very special day :))
New Breed Of Outsider Still Causing Concern - Find out about the newest reported case 8o
Election of a new Octark - Late Breaking News, Only Just Reached The PS Times
The Ojaveda Experiment - What happens when things go terribly wrong, written by our Guest Reporter Seytra :]
A grand wine and beer tasting evening was held at Kada El\'s Tavern - Find out if there was anyone standing at the end of the evening :evil:
The grand Hydlaa Festival of the Hunt was an event that no self-respecting citizen of Yliakum could afford to miss, but if you did - catch up on the results here. :]
**If you have already subscribed and not received your copy or are having difficulties displaying the newspaper please reply in this thread.**
To subscribe go to http://www.pstimes.co.uk (http://www.pstimes.co.uk) and get issue # 3 before we run out of copies :tongue:
The PlaneShift Times - Legends in the Making
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The hills around odjaveda? I would rather say the hills around Hydlaa, around odjaveda you barely can find any tefusang, just bandits and rogues.
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A very interesting issue .. I enjoyed reading it. Especially \"the ojaved experiment\" though that one still has me puzzled.
Thumbs up the the PS times team!
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It could still use alot of improvement.
For instance, if you\'re trying to be RP, for goodness sake don\'t call townspeople \"NPCs\". -.-
Also I think you need to explain how the Nusquam Esse Plague is different from normal death where you just go to the Death Realm, because it makes little sense at the moment.
Asides from that, its a great effort. And thanks to this, I know that Ghosts|Jestal is still around, so I\'ll be actively hunting for him ingame. ;)
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Originally posted by Moogie
Also I think you need to explain how the Nusquam Esse Plague is different from normal death where you just go to the Death Realm, because it makes little sense at the moment.
Ok \'Nusquam Esse\' is Latin for \'Not Exist\' so there\'s the first clue. Even if you don\'t know Latin there are plenty of other clues.
Mavric thought it was not a plague at all but a spell called \'The Wipe\' by a very powerful group of Mages.
\"But what about the poor people that died?\" asked MaidenIndigo \"When their bodies were found, all their belongings had gone as well\".
Theres another clue - not only did the victims die but the Plague took everything with it. Unlike just going to the Death Realm when you run out again and everything is back to normal.
This is confirmed by the next clue:
Kaseijin interrupted with some very wise words \"This is because Talad and Laanx are disgusted by the greed of their people and have sent a plague that will kill all and take everything with it, in hope that this time the wise ones that survive will be able to carry over their knowledge to the new souls\".
\'Take everything with it\' is the clue there.
Originally posted by Moogie
Asides from that, its a great effort. And thanks to this, I know that Ghosts|Jestal is still around, so I\'ll be actively hunting for him ingame. ;)
Whoah watch yourself Moogie - there was almost a compliment there ....... somewhere
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Originally posted by Zan
A very interesting issue .. I enjoyed reading it. Especially \"the ojaved experiment\" though that one still has me puzzled.
Thumbs up the the PS times team!
Glad you enjoyed it - a lot more people are actually contributing now which does mean it will be more interesting. ;)
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My major suggestion is to decide whether or not it\'s going to be RP. As it is, it\'s neither, and I find that annoying. If it\'s not meant to be RP, fine. Personally, at that point it pretty much loses all interest for me. If it is meant to be RP, then you need some serious work done on it. Perhaps you should have two? An RP, and a non-RP? The way it is, it doesn\'t work. It\'s too RP to be considered non-RP, but it\'s too OOC for me to actually acknowledge it as part of the RP in Yliakum.
Also, I\'d strongly suggest splitting it up into different pages, rather than having it one long page. That way people could read the stuff they\'re interested in, and you could have more information in each issue, without it being annoyingly long.
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As it stands at the moment, (mostly RP) is probably how it\'s going to stay. I don\'t have time to write two issues and neither do I want to.
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So you\'re going to keep it RP enough that it\'s not much worth OOC, but not RP enough to actually be considered a part of the RP Yliakum? Smart.
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Hmmm....perhaps I should have done the election article more RP. But alas, it was a \'Stop the presses!\" moment and I had little time to modifiy it from its intended forum format. Ah well...hindsight... :rolleyes:
The rumors make sense, as I see them. Nice thinking there. Though I think I would have called \'The Wipe\' spell something more like \'The Cleansing\'.
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Originally posted by Phinehas
So you\'re going to keep it RP enough that it\'s not much worth OOC, but not RP enough to actually be considered a part of the RP Yliakum? Smart.
Sarcasm Sir be the lowest form of wit.
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Originally posted by Under the moon
Hmmm....perhaps I should have done the election article more RP.
No it was fine - I could have changed it if I had wanted to but it gave a bit of light reading for those that find 100% RP a bit heavy going.
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I sort of agree with Moogie and Phineas on the \"either it\'s RP or it\'s not\" front. Most people have their character names in their signitures and if the article is meant to be about what\'s taking place in Yliakum, then it should use RP names. Er, or ask people if you can include them in the paper (In regards to the other thread, I sort of thought you would just use our ideas, not likenesses, too :P )
That\'s just my take on it, though.
Other than that, it\'s pretty good. I enjoy the \"wall of shame\" bit highlighting how you should not act in the game. /me points and laughs at this issue\'s featured n00b (keep in mind n00b != newbie)
I suppose my only real piece of constuctive criticism is that it is a bit long for one continuous HTML document. Maybe you could at least put anchors in at the start of each article with an index at the top of the page? That way people know what\'s in the entire paper without scrolling through it or reading the forums first.
~Indi
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That\'s a matter of opinion, Adyna.
And yes, it would be good if it was split into several different pages, more like a real newspaper. I find that the idea of all the scrolling makes me bored. Perhaps I\'d enjoy it more if the pages were labelled separately so that I didn\'t have to scroll through the whole thing.
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Originally posted by Zan
A very interesting issue .. I enjoyed reading it. Especially \"the ojaved experiment\" though that one still has me puzzled.
Thanks! :)
For everyone who wonders: the idea struck me when I was reading this page (http://www.softwareartist.com/philexp.html) ( which is about the (in)famous \"Philadelphia Experiment\" ), and noticing that I had a lot of screenies that\'d fit in. Thus, it is very loosely based on excerpts (or rather: basic information like times) from it, and I do not claim copyright in the original thing (just in case IP madness comes to this board).
As for the RP vs. OOC classification: I think it is something I\'d call \"pseudo-IC\". It\'s phrasing OOC things as if they were IC. Bugs, the wipe, engine / player deficiencies, these all are completely OOC. Looking at them as if a char was experiencing them is a fun thing to do, but not real IC. Basically what Phineas said, yet slightly different. :)
The report of the festival I consider IC, though.
In light of this I don\'t see anything wrong with the article about the wipe.
As for the multiple pages: either that or, as has been said, just have anchors at the headlines, and maybe an extra frame for the navigation.
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hhhhmmm you all seem to be basing this on what you consider is rp and what is not rp. Well there are no set \'rules\' on rp and it is how the individual player wants to play it.
So if Phinehas and others think that it is not true rp and won\'t be taken seriously by the rp community remember that this is only their opinion and not necessarily the opinion of others.
Constructive criticism is healthy and I will act on constructive criticism but constantly complaining just because you always have is not healthy and therefore is more likely to be ignored. I will not be bound by imaginary rules and regulations which do not exist, I am a \'free bird\' so therefore will continue to Edit and write The PS Times in the way it has been written. I\'ll put it another way, If you don\'t like it don\'t read it - if you do like it then read it, really it is as simple as that.
What some of you seem to forget is the time and effort that goes into writing this, so instead of constantly moaning write something for The PS Times and help me out. Thank you.
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Originally posted by Adyna
What some of you seem to forget is the time and effort that goes into writing this, so instead of constantly moaning write something for The PS Times and help me out. Thank you.
The only one truly \"moaning\" is Phineas, and even he started out by giving you constructive criticism, to which you basically replied: \"I have time to write it, but not time enough to take suggestions.\" All that you have been receiving thus far has been constructive criticism, actually. As an editor, you should expect to have some people like your work and some dislike your work, but that does not mean that you should berate them for having an opinion different from your own.
I stated what I liked about your work, as well as what I feel needs improvement. These are my opinions, yes, but that does not mean you can casually say \"Well, you all are wrong and it\'s my website so I can do what I want. I\'m sure plenty of people would agree with me!\" If you actually want people to give you input, such an attitude will surely impede your reader-base.
If you really want people to read your newspaper, perhaps you should work on your interpersonal skills instead of editing abilities...refusing to listen to anyone other than \"yes\"-men is not how an endeavor as large as a virtual newspaper is accomplished. Well, it certainly can be accomplished, but it probably won\'t be as good a true community-wide effort.
~Indi
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When I am in game, I always refer to my real life as my dream life. Perhaps the PS Times can come up with its own euphamism (or use mine) and place OOC things in a different section. How to run the elections from a technical point is an OOC matter, who gets elected and such like is an IC thing. The PS Times is a natural place to discuss these things. Just like the \"Calendar\" section, there could be a \"Metaphysics\" section that runs OOC.
I feel the Times is a great addition to the game, and has contributed to the overall culture. I find it valuable for enhancing the Yliakum culture. The idea of a Table of Contents is excellent, and would make the whole thing yet stronger. Keep up the good work, Adyna and staff.
EDIT: As far as helping out. I don\'t know which html editor you use, but I could probably send you a template with headers and footers to make the TOC more viable, if you\'re not comfortable doing it.
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I totally agree with everything Indy said :)
I read the this latest issue and also reacted on the difference between the different articles. Some, like the Festival of the Hunt article, are completely IC while others are obviously very OOC.
I mean, \"This is what Yliakis used to look like\" might be funny for people who haven\'t seen the old models, or for those that remember them well, but it\'s quite difficult to explain the changes with good RP...
I agree with Seytra that it can be fun to see OOC stuff from the perspective of our IC chars, but then it needs to be well worked out, which I honestly do not believe it was in this last issue.
Other than that, I think you did a great job and had some interesting artciles so keep it up. :)
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The only thing I have to say, Adyna, is that, if many people here express similar opinions(which they have), perhaps it would be intelligent to take them into consideration, after all, pleasing people is how you get readers.
P.S. I said \"similar\" not \"identical\".
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First off I\'d like to say I really enjoyed reading the latest issue of PS times. It is origional, and creative. The idea of a PS newspaper is a wonderful one.
I have a few questions/comments. The first really is where is the PS Times printed? I.E. is it \"ingame\" at an \"ingame printing press\"? I know there isn\'t really an ingame press, but is the idea that the PS times is distributed in Hydlaa? Or is it for people who play to read while in the real world. If it is the latter, I think you can get away with the combination of IC and OOC articles, because when you\'re not ingame or on the forums, both are applicable and people can tke what they want out of it. If the idea is that its distributed ingame then it doesn\'t make sense to have OOC references. If I was at the Tavern bragging about the hot new Kia Sephia car I just bought that would make no sense, as Kia Sephias do not exist ingame. I do, however, like putting and IC spin on real life issues such as \"The Wipe\" (UTM\'s suggestion of \"The Cleansing\" was brilliant (hindsite is always 20/20 though). ) :)
There isn\'t anything wrong with suggestions or critism. But being defensive won\'t help much either. Take it all in stride, see what the suggestions are, decide if you think they are good, and then choose whether or not you think they should be made. There is nothing wrong with changing things pertaining to the paper. It should evolve.
Also, the indexing would be a great idea. I\'d offer help with that but help has already been offered. :)
All in all I love the initiative, and I found it quite interesting reading. It adds a sense of realism to the game in that I read it for things I didn\'t know were happening. Same reason I read news in real life.
Great work, keep it up, and keep at it. PS needs dedicated persons such as yourself.
P.S. I did mean to mention that I didn\'t think Phinehas\'s intent was to insult, nor did he seem to me to come across that way. I think the way he words things seems harsh at times, but its just blunt honesty. There isn\'t anything wrong with that. :D