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Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Keldrena on May 09, 2005, 09:50:29 pm

Title: Enkidukai, with or without hair?
Post by: Keldrena on May 09, 2005, 09:50:29 pm
I have posed this question because it seems to me that a lot of people who play or draw Enkidukai, imagine them with head hair. I thought it who be intresting to see what everyone thought. Hair or no hair? Why or why not?
 
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Post by: Moogie on May 09, 2005, 09:57:25 pm
According to Talad, Enkidukai do not have head hair like a human does.

I expect, however, that various styles of manes will be available for males in the future.
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Post by: Cyl on May 09, 2005, 09:57:33 pm
I am for with hair, it is out of aesthetic reasons
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Post by: Keldrena on May 09, 2005, 10:06:21 pm
So, Enkidukai are not going to have hair. That\'s a shame because someone already has already drawn my char. If I had know that I would have not asked for hair in the picture. Is this decision set in stone or might it be changed in the future? I\'m not trying to challange anyone, I am just asking.
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Post by: Kixie on May 09, 2005, 10:20:15 pm
The official word is no, but I can\'t see why hats and wigs wouldn\'t be implemented in the future, allowing aesthetic details to be resolved.
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Post by: Keldrena on May 09, 2005, 10:23:13 pm
OK, I\'m fine with that. I know my opinion really doesn\'t matter but I thought I\'d ask.
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Post by: Moogie on May 10, 2005, 02:41:05 am
I\'m opposed to it, myself. Mostly because my character is a Fenki and I think Fenkis look ridiculous without human-like hair.

If enough people support the idea of Enkidukai hairstyles, maybe Talad will change heart... but its a very slim chance. :(
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Post by: Keldrena on May 10, 2005, 02:50:29 am
Do you think it would be okay to make a petion? Or would that be croosing the line? I don\'t what to make anyone mad, but If Enkidukai have hair styles bald can be one of them for the people who like them without  hair. That way everybody\'s got what they want.
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Post by: Sarrow on May 10, 2005, 03:09:27 am
There could be a type of vial that holds different colors of dye as an item you could buy.. But I wonder if dyeing your hair was a \"RPing\" thing to do. (since PS is strictly RP supportive)

I guess an menki could grow his hair into bangs and such as well as fenki..  its up to the person.. (which is anotehr reason I wear jackets)
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Post by: dragonfire999 on May 10, 2005, 03:27:25 am
:O :O :O
what about tasers glossy black waterfall like flowing hair that drenches her shoulder like black ink????

NOOO!!!!!!!!
fenkis dont look right without hair
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Post by: MaidenIndigo on May 10, 2005, 03:31:56 am
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fenkis dont look right without hair

Actually, I think just the opposite.  They\'re mostly feline in appearance, so why on Earth would they have longer hair on their heads?  I like the wig idea, but female Enkidukai should remain as they are. Males can have small manes perhaps, but fenkis have always been \"bald\" and should stay that way in my opinion.

I really like the fact that their lack of scalp coverage makes them stand out.

~Indi
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Post by: Keyaz on May 10, 2005, 03:56:36 am
makes you wonder why it was never brought up back in the day when people roleplayed their enki characters, had their on image portrayed about them, i know enki\'s are clearly more feline, but as a natural instinct of human nature, a sentient being that stands fully upright, especialy in female cases (in a majority where the community ocmes from)( usually have long hair, sure you can choose to not have it ^^

but then it is Talad\'s decision and pretty much nothing but a bulldozer could move that :p so like i always say, enjoy what we have
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Post by: Seytra on May 10, 2005, 04:19:22 pm
It is my opinion that evolving from normal cat to humanoid sentient being won\'t necessarily make long hair grow on your head. :) True, it happened with humans, but what if Enki aestethics are different from humans, which is likely? Also, given that lion males tend to have longer manes than females, I would expect that to pervail and maybe increase, so the males would IMO be getting long hair, not the females.

Also, I think that long head-hair looks out of place on Enkis, so...

However, there are also those cats with extremely long fur, so there could be Enkis like that as well. They could cut their fur back except on the head, having a hell of a time doing it, but be rewarded with that unique look of Fenki with at least somewhat long head hair. :)
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Post by: dragonfire999 on May 10, 2005, 09:32:13 pm
just give me a wig and ill shut up X(
Title: Sometimes... sometimes not
Post by: Kiramon on May 11, 2005, 12:21:32 pm
Well on drawings it might look good with hair on an Enki, but really ingame I doubt that an Enki with hair would look good - I think it would look rather... weird -.-
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Post by: Adyna on May 11, 2005, 05:54:37 pm
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Actually, I think just the opposite.  They\'re mostly feline in appearance, so why on Earth would they have longer hair on their heads?


I absolutely agree with indie, they *are* feline.  Male lions have a mane but female lions don\'t.  Buy wigs or hair pieces in the future if you want to, but I think they will look ridiculous (on a female).
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Post by: Kixie on May 11, 2005, 06:26:25 pm
Who says that endukai didn\'t decend from humans into cats, than vice versa?

Even more in role would be that the gods cursed a few wrong men into these cat creatures, and they retained some of their old traits like long hair and humanoid stature.

We simply don\'t know, and it\'s up to the devs to decide whether to implement these features. I for one, can\'t see why wigs wouldn\'t be enough for hairstyling.
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Post by: Keyaz on May 11, 2005, 06:36:21 pm
cool! i just bought a heavy armour wig, my lockes are made of platinum ooooh!  :rolleyes:
lets just hope its a fashion accessory if at al used, not with stats and the likes
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Post by: Neo Link on May 11, 2005, 09:34:45 pm
I think they\'d look pretty cool with anime-like hair XD.

Like in the girl in this comic: http://twokinds.keenspace.com
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Post by: Ayshe on May 11, 2005, 11:54:53 pm
Interesting that the character design includes humanlike qualities but not hair. But if you think about it, why would a creature covered in full body fur sprout hair on their head?

In saying that, who is to say that some Enki, taken with the curious Ylian fashion do not adopt some kind of wig or head dress?

The character Ayshe does not have any hair, most likely because my interpretation of her appearance was originally based on the character I was shown in the creation screen. I guess it never occurred to me she could have had long flowing golden locks. Bleck.

If they ever do implement human-ish hairstyles, I\'ll be one of the many opting not to use them. Just a preference thing, I guess.
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Post by: Seytra on May 12, 2005, 12:24:55 am
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Who says that endukai didn\'t decend from humans into cats, than vice versa?

Probability does. While it cannot be ruled out, it is extremely unlikely that evolution would ever take this path. It is more likely that, by some twist, longer head hair became some sort of attribute by which to assess the reproductive qualities of a female, which would then make it more ane more common by selection.
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Even more in role would be that the gods cursed a few wrong men into these cat creatures, and they retained some of their old traits like long hair and humanoid stature.

Considering that Enkiness can\'t be regarded as a curse AFAICS, and also considering that there is no mention of such an occurance in the PS history, the only option would be that the gods of the Enki homeland did that. However, they\'d have had to curse a whole lot of people with this in order to enable them to become so many instead of slowly ceasing to exist AFAICS. Again, not completely impossible, but highly unlikely as well.
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We simply don\'t know, and it\'s up to the devs to decide whether to implement these features. I for one, can\'t see why wigs wouldn\'t be enough for hairstyling.

*imagines a Kran with a wig* :D
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Post by: Karyuu on May 13, 2005, 08:55:43 pm
I think that long flowing hair on Enkidukai looks terribly odd, myself. However, some sort of decorative fur elements on the head and/or down the back would be nice. There are a lot of comparisons of Enkidukai with lions, but they are not one and the same. Why Enkidukai have to be based on such a creature when it comes to hair is beyond me. Plus I like the idea of braids - it seems really tribal. Several braids, down the back. Not that my character has any of that ;)

I really really really want customizable tuffs on the ends of tails, though. At least give Fenki that ;D
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Post by: ajdaha on May 16, 2005, 07:57:30 pm
I wouldn\'t mind If Enki\'s got a moehawk kinda looking thing down their backs. It would look so cool, make them look like some kinda dinosaur with their spinal bones petruding. But xcept for bones it would be hair.
But this really is a crazy thread. What\'s the point of talking about this? I mean there is soo much to be done with planeshift that I don\'t think anyone will place decorating the character models as primary, ahead of anything else.
I mean the game is so bare that its all about role-playing now anyway, its not like you imagine your character looking the way the screen presents him/her, cause then everyone would look the same in their mind.
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Post by: Karyuu on May 16, 2005, 08:28:09 pm
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I mean the game is so bare that its all about role-playing now anyway ...


O_o

Which is precisely why it would be pretty damn awesome to have a wide variety of skins/meshes available - appearances help with establishing a character. I go nuts right now, seeing everyone the same, so I create random skins every so often just to break from this monotony.

As for what\'s the purpose of such a discussion? Well, what\'s the purpose of any discussion? To discuss future possibilities, to hear of the opinions of others, to brainstorm. Character diversity certainly won\'t be THE primary goal, but it won\'t be the last thing addressed, definitely. It should be worked on along with everything else, and built up with time just as every other function.



And yeah, mohawks would be cool :P
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Post by: Draxtheros on June 02, 2005, 10:06:39 pm
Personally, i like the idea of longer head fur on enkis. mostly because more people can have an origianal(forgive my spelling) character in the world. But if The devs don\'t like that idea, they could at least do something like Red XIII (from FF7) Granted this would be considered a mane, it doesn\'t have to be free flowing, they could braid it to give it a little style
Title: Sicko!!!!!!!!
Post by: leuxast on June 02, 2005, 11:22:25 pm
I can just see a bald menki! grossa!!!!!
Any hair would look yuck I think.
Then again...... maybe a green mohawk would look a bit \"different\"!!!
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Post by: Skizzik on June 03, 2005, 12:47:30 am
I\'d imagine an Enki to shed fur like real-life cats do (no don\'t make them actually shed in-game!), not having their hair grow long enough to braid or whatever. You could however have different markings in the fur (spots, stripes, etc) to personalize your character, as opposed to humans\' head hair.
The poor Klyros don\'t even have hair, feel sorry for them!