PlaneShift
Support => Technical Help: IN GAME bugs (after loading world) => Topic started by: osya77 on May 16, 2005, 10:31:42 pm
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This games either hates me or something is wrong
:( why does it say sever fail or something like that when i try to login aaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggh
after trying like five times to download this i finally got but nnooooooooooo i still can\'t play
signed a fan of PS from the world of rs
ps.s if this game is as good as it is i will spread word around rs (ruunescape)
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Server is down for updates.
It\'d be kind if you searched ahead of time, it says this on the main site as well.
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hey i did thank you very much it siad for the weekeend monday is not aprt of the weekend
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Well, it\'s still down for updates...
It even says so at the top of this forum.
*points at text in red*
Also, it\'s a good idea to be patient, I\'m sure the server will be up tomorrow :)
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well this is a new thing so i will give it some time the screenshots are amaaaaaaazing (for a f2p game)
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Wonder if they are doing the wipe. I have been gone for a while.
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They\'re not doing a wipe - just a complex update...
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You downloaded the game 5 times? You have a lot of patience. o.O
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Allo all,
So does anyone know just how MUCH was being updated anyway? This seems like quite a long time - it\'s only a few more hours until Tuesday, when they said that they\'d have it finished on Sunday (saying it would be down for the weekend).
Does anyone have any insight as to when the servers might be back up again? I\'m also a new player who had the utmost luck of finding it and being incredibly drawn in, and extreeeeemely excited to get started and play it when? Friday night/Saturday morning.
This seems like a preeetty long \'weekend\', so I was just wondering if there was a whole LOT they were fixing, and most importantly:
if anyone knows exactly when this might be back up?
Thanks.
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You could take a gander at the recent changes (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/planeshift/planeshift/docs/history.txt?view=auto) documented in the CVS, Talin. It\'s a rather dry read, though. ;)
It\'s really too bad that you caught the wave at the wrong time. The schedule estimates are almost always conservative ones, so perhaps Wednesday at the latest. Then again, I\'m a bit of a pessimist.
Don\'t worry, though. The tech demo is well worth the wait. (remember, this game is still in its alpha stage -- it isn\'t a full-fledged release yet -- which is why bugfixes like these must happen)
~Indi
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you are not a programmer are you?
If I were snide, I\'d say,
You can have it right, or you can have it now, but you can\'t have it right now...
but since I\'m not, I\'ll just say, these things take time. Its not always possible to give an accurate estimte.
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Originally posted by dewed
Its not always possible to give an accurate estimte.
It\'s NEVER possible to give an accurate estimate. It IS an estimate. :)
Don\'t mind me, I\'m just being a moron.
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Originally posted by MaidenIndigo
You could take a gander at the recent changes (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/planeshift/planeshift/docs/history.txt?view=auto) documented in the CVS, Talin. It\'s a rather dry read, though. ;)
Wow, that IS a dry read. I\'m bored though so why not. ;)
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Originally posted by dewed
You can have it right, or you can have it now, but you can\'t have it right now...
\"Snide\" or not, I\'ve always loved that saying. Yeah, I was just wondering if perhaps some of those programmers really did frequent these boards (but hopefully not right now, as I\'m assuming they\'re busy, heheh), or someone else who may have some idea.
This\'ll be extremely exciting, and this seems to be a very RP friendly site as opposed to many of the newer 3D games which are all PVP and basically a hack&slash game that claim to be an RPG. Really excited for it to start - maybe send a post to this thread once it is up and running again, whoever finds out first, so the others that\'re wondering know?
Thanks, see you gamers later.
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I date a programmer who programs for my business and I can guarantee even with special consideration, it still takes forever. At least I\'ve learned that it takes forever because usually unplanned for things pop up. Sometimes it\'s just cause something was good on television though. I also just found this game this weekend and am waiting anxiously.
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Well I am not a programer, but I have eaten lunch in the same room with one. I can assure that everything would be finished on time and have zero bugs if it was not for the fact that all programmers stay up till 4:30am playing Starcraft.
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AAAAAAAAAAAgh!
Every forum I go there is one or a few server down topics!!! ARRRGH!
Do you think that the admins are keeping it down so long because they are
mean or something? It is down, because it has to be down. Dot.
Or maybe do you think that they are going to hide the facts of starting the
server again from us or they are too stupid to think about making an
announcement that server is running again? I don\'t think so. Dot.
Regards.
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Well well well. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Dot
Regards
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Well, its tuesday now and its till not up. I mean what kind of development process is this?
Just because they\'re not getting money, its still not nice to lie. Just don\'t say anything, cause lying makes my hopes go up and then they come down again. Rather if I just forgot about planeshift for a while.
And did I hear rite? this isn\'t the wipe update!
WTF, how long do we have to wait.
And don\'t give me that s*** (I sensored that myself cause even the censoring machine isn\'t working) about \"we don\'t know\", how do you not know, wtf wrong with these people. Look at the bugs and tell us how many are left to fix before the damned wipe.
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Originally posted by derwoodly
Well I am not a programer, but I have eaten lunch in the same room with one. I can assure that everything would be finished on time and have zero bugs if it was not for the fact that all programmers stay up till 4:30am playing Starcraft.
i am a programmer, and i can say that at least one of us does not play starcraft at all, let alone till 4:30am. and i have yet to have a first revision that was bug free.
--- keder maloy
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Originally posted by ajdaha
Well, its tuesday now and its till not up. I mean what kind of development process is this?
Just because they\'re not getting money, its still not nice to lie. Just don\'t say anything, cause lying makes my hopes go up and then they come down again. Rather if I just forgot about planeshift for a while.
And did I hear rite? this isn\'t the wipe update!
WTF, how long do we have to wait.
And don\'t give me that s*** (I sensored that myself cause even the censoring machine isn\'t working) about \"we don\'t know\", how do you not know, wtf wrong with these people. Look at the bugs and tell us how many are left to fix before the damned wipe.
with each revision, there is the possibility of introducing new bugs. can you predict those ahead of time?
--- keder maloy
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Originally posted by ajdaha
Just because they\'re not getting money, its still not nice to lie.
Welcome to the real world of system development. ;)
Well, in this case I suppose it would be game development.
Management always likes giving users optimistic goals, but as soon as they hit a snag...the users bite back. Ah...I\'m so glad I\'m going into East Asian Studies instead of Computer Science this fall. :)
while(!mouths_shut(users)){releasedate+=release_time(prog_fix); prog_fix++;}
~Indi
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Originally posted by ajdaha
Well, its tuesday now and its till not up. I mean what kind of development process is this?
A development process run by volunteers who have to work on this in their free time and have other very time demanding things to do.
Just because they\'re not getting money, its still not nice to lie.
We were not lying. We expected the update to finish in the weekend. Unforeseen problems came up. So we haven\'t finished.
And did I hear rite? this isn\'t the wipe update!
WTF, how long do we have to wait.
And don\'t give me that s*** (I sensored that myself cause even the censoring machine isn\'t working) about \"we don\'t know\", how do you not know, wtf wrong with these people. Look at the bugs and tell us how many are left to fix before the damned wipe.
The problem with bugs it that often new bugs arrive. Also there is again the problem of finding free time and resources to fix those bugs. None of the PS devs is working on PS full time. We all have full time jobs, school, and other stuff to attend too as well (I myself have a full time job, three children, a house and a garden, ...).
Also what is your problem exactly? We are providing you with a free game. We don\'t have ANY obligations to you at all. It is our game. We make it and we work on it when we please. If you don\'t like that then please leave.
Greetings,
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Lying is against the law.
PS: it doesn\'t matter if you intended to lie, the thing is, wether you ended up giving false information in the end or not.
And you did.
But it doesn\'t really matter to me, it just might...to someone else, maybe.
PS: I am grateful for the game though.
PPS: lol, \"I have 3 children a house and a GARDEN.\"
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Originally posted by ajdaha
Lying is against the law.
First lying is not against the law in general human interaction. It is against the law in court but we are not in court here.
Secondly we didn\'t lie. The information turned out to be incorrect but we couldn\'t know that in advance. If you really believe the server will be up after the weekend then it is not a lie. It is just having false hopes.
Greetings,
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Now, now, Jorrit. That wasn\'t a very nice reply. Maybe we don\'t see or understand your side, but you don\'t see ours, either.
Regardless, of the the game being free or not, the programmers made a committment to have the game back up by Monday. And regardless of being an excuse-ridden programmer, the game should have been back up at that time or at the very least, another posting with an explanation and another time.
People can get addicted to things. This game is one. That\'s why the anxiety, and maybe they really like the game. You should have known that before you put the game online. If you did not want to contend with this kind of audience, you should have had a closed alpha, or beta or whatever.
But don\'t come across to us that just because you are devoting your free time that this is YOUR game and we are snivling idiots.
You are taking GOD-MODE too far.
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Originally posted by ajdaha
Lying is against the law.
PS: it doesn\'t matter if you intended to lie, the thing is, wether you ended up giving false information in the end or not.
And you did.
Exactly how could \"New client should be released on Sunday or Monday if there are no major problems.\" be a lie? (Quoted from laanx.fragnetics.com)
The only way I can interpret is that there apparently ARE some major problems. In my experience, there are always going to be problems, and there is no way to predict just how long those will take.
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Originally posted by Turbock
Now, now, Jorrit. That wasn\'t a very nice reply. Maybe we don\'t see or understand your side, but you don\'t see ours, either.
Regardless, of the the game being free or not, the programmers made a committment to have the game back up by Monday.
We made no such commitment. See the note at http://laanx.fragnetics.com:
New client should be released on Sunday or Monday if there are no major problems.
Especially note the if there are no major problems. Well we hit major problems.
And regardless of being an excuse-ridden programmer, the game should have been back up at that time or at the very least, another posting with an explanation and another time.
We don\'t know when it is ready now. We are working on it hard. But we are currently hampered by different timezones and people sleeping when others are not so it is hard to get good progress.
But don\'t come across to us that just because you are devoting your free time that this is YOUR game and we are snivling idiots.
You are taking GOD-MODE too far.
Where did I say you are idiots? I just was complaining about the fact that people are taking our work for granted.
Greetings,
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Originally posted by ajdaha
PS: it doesn\'t matter if you intended to lie, the thing is, wether you ended up giving false information in the end or not.
And if they had given no info at all, people would rant that there was no info at all. Different approach, same problem.
And if they had put up the game and the server crashed all the time because the update was neither done nor tested fully, people would rant about the update not being done properly. Different approach, same problem.
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Originally posted by ajdaha
Lying is against the law.
Where the heck are you from? Lying is not against the law. Lying under oath in a court of law in the United States is against the law, but not lying in general. Quit acting like a spoiled brat and let everyone do their jobs.
The developers gave everyone an estimated deadline, something that they agreed would be realistic if everything went according to plan. Sometimes things happen and bugs pop up that were not anticipated. It\'s called life, get over it.
Originally posted by ajdaha
But it doesn\'t really matter to me, it just might...to someone else, maybe.
Then stop acting like a jerk to the programmers who bring you quality entertainment like this. With users like you, I\'m surprised they keep up with it at all.
Originally posted by ajdaha
PPS: lol, \"I have 3 children a house and a GARDEN.\"
The point jorrit was trying to make is that this game is not his life and he has other duties to which he must attend. He doesn\'t have to listen to whiney users all day long and could quit at any time. Yet he works on PlaneShift anyway because he wants to make a really great game. Heck, that\'s why all the developers and WTB members put time and effort into PlaneShift. They get no money and essentially throw their time away by working on the game, all to please people like you.
So get over it. There are thousands of other players less vocal than you are and more interested in community spirit. One can only hope that some of it will rub off on you.
~Indi
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We made no such commitment. See the note at http://laanx.fragnetics.com:
New client should be released on Sunday or Monday if there are no major problems.
This was your committment, look up the definition.
Especially note the if there are no major problems. Well we hit major problems.
Okay, understandable. Give us another estimated time, maybe disclose the type(s) of problems so we can sympathize.
We don\'t know when it is ready now. We are working on it hard. But we are currently hampered by different timezones and people sleeping when others are not so it is hard to get good progress.
I trust you are better at programming than you are in English.
Where did I say you are idiots? I just was complaining about the fact that people are taking our work for granted.
You didn\'t say, you inferred by complaining. Maybe you need to go back to your kids, house and garden.
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I knew there were stupid users, but this takes the price.
For one, how can you have the heart to complain on something that you don\'t pay a single penny to and is developed by people on their free time?
I don\'t get that, would you like to have that response if you made a game?
Ok if you had paied 30$ a month, but you aren\'t.
Jorrit is also the Crystal Space engine leader, so he has extra much work to do :)
And a final note:
This is a frekking normal work week, some of the devs do have to get an income
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Originally posted by Turbock
Okay, understandable. Give us another estimated time, maybe disclose the type(s) of problems so we can sympathize.
I think it is best to give no time estimate. Personally I think we shouldn\'t have given a time estimate in the first place. As to the types of problems, this is just a hard update. A lot of things have changed and a few of those things are rather hard to setup right. The problem is merging the work of different developers and making sure the art fits the new things.
I trust you are better at programming than you are in English.
I\'m not a native english speaker. I speak Dutch normally.
You didn\'t say, you inferred by complaining. Maybe you need to go back to your kids, house and garden.
Sorry but if you are reading that out of my statements then I think you should read that again. That was NOT what I said at all.
Greetings,
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Originally posted by Androgos
I knew there were stupid users, but this takes the price.
Just remember, there\'s the same percentage stupid users as there are stupid developers. :P
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Originally posted by Turbock
Originally posted by Androgos
I knew there were stupid users, but this takes the price.
Just remember, there\'s the same percentage stupid users as there are stupid developers. :P
Hmm... I\'m risking to insult the PlaneShift users here (which I don\'t want to do) but I have some doubts about that statement in general :-) At least it doesn\'t match with my experience so far. And I manage quiet a bit of Open Source projects (and get to meet a lot of users in that respect).
But of course one can never generalize. There are stupid people in every area and there are smart people everywhere too.
Greetings,
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Originally posted by jorrit
I think it is best to give no time estimate. Personally I think we shouldn\'t have given a time estimate in the first place. As to the types of problems, this is just a hard update. A lot of things have changed and a few of those things are rather hard to setup right. The problem is merging the work of different developers and making sure the art fits the new things.
Now why didn\'t you post that somewhere on the forums in the beginning? And I disagree with you on the time estimate. Give an over-estimate, it will keep the wolves from your door.
I\'m not a native english speaker. I speak Dutch normally.
Ich auch deutche gesprechen, aber kann nicht scriben.
I apologize.
Sorry but if you are reading that out of my statements then I think you should read that again. That was NOT what I said at all.
Then reread your statements before posting. You definitely took an arrogant attitude in your first posting.
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Originally posted by Turbock
Now why didn\'t you post that somewhere on the forums in the beginning? And I disagree with you on the time estimate. Give an over-estimate, it will keep the wolves from your door.
Ok, overestimating is easy. Hmm see... Well in a year from now this update will certainly be finished.
As to not posting on the forums in the first place, don\'t ask me. I wasn\'t even there when this update started :-)
Ich auch deutche gesprechen, aber kann nicht scriben.
I apologize.
Dutch is NOT German. Dutch is spoken in the Netherlands and the north part of Belgium. What you were speaking is German.
Then reread your statements before posting. You definitely took an arrogant attitude in your first posting.
That was only in response to an arrogant attitude from the person I was replying too.
Greetings,
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Originally posted by jorrit
Originally posted by Turbock
Originally posted by Androgos
I knew there were stupid users, but this takes the price.
Just remember, there\'s the same percentage stupid users as there are stupid developers. :P
Hmm... I\'m risking to insult the PlaneShift users here (which I don\'t want to do) but I have some doubts about that statement in general :-) At least it doesn\'t match with my experience so far. And I manage quiet a bit of Open Source projects (and get to meet a lot of users in that respect).
But of course one can never generalize. There are stupid people in every area and there are smart people everywhere too.
Greetings,
I was underwhelmed at that post.
You may be a GREAT programmer and sought after the world over (did I misread you?), but stupid is everywhere.
It was a developer that started this mud-slinging.
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Originally posted by jorrit
Ok, overestimating is easy. Hmm see... Well in a year from now this update will certainly be finished.
As to not posting on the forums in the first place, don\'t ask me. I wasn\'t even there when this update started :-)
There you go with the smart-ass attitude.
Dutch is NOT German. Dutch is spoken in the Netherlands and the north part of Belgium. What you were speaking is German.
I definitely know the difference. I have been to both countries....in fact I have traveled Europe quite extensively. And that was an apology, and kudo\'s for being bi-linguial.
That was only in response to an arrogant attitude from the person I was replying too.
That\'s not nice from someone who wants to be IN CHARGE.
See if the game was up and running....neither one of us would be here. :)
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If I wouldn\'t censor it myself if I were a Mod, I\'d comment on the way I feel about ajdaha and Turbock. In less censored words, it is pitiful. I have not seen any dev insult anyone, but I have seen you two ranting about things you obviously have no clue of. While Turbock hasn\'t posted often yet, at least someone who posted a lot like ajdaha should have grasped what PS is like and why it is like that by now. :rolleyes:
So in closing I can only say that I think that any of the fictional insults you two claim to have been directed at you would be more than appropriate, and in fact I would insult you several times more if it wouldn\'t be cnsored anyway. :tdown:
I sincerely hope the devs will be able to ignore fools like you for all eternity.
Originally posted by derwoodly
Well I am not a programer, but I have eaten lunch in the same room with one. I can assure that everything would be finished on time and have zero bugs if it was not for the fact that all programmers stay up till 4:30am playing Starcraft.
This was a ridiculous statement to say the least.
I wonder what sort of programmer that was... probably an entry level HTML \"programmer\". I would be very very surprised if any serious programmer would be able to get away with that attitude in their job. In fact, programming is just as unpredictable as any other project that is more complex than planting a tree.
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Originally posted by Turbock
There you go with the smart-ass attitude.
That was a joke.
That\'s not nice from someone who wants to be IN CHARGE.
Actually I\'m not. I\'m member of the PS team mostly because I\'m the project manager of Crystal Space which is used by PlaneShift. But I\'m not in charge of PlaneShift at all. Least of all when updates happen and how they happen. I wasn\'t even aware there was going to be an update in the weekend before friday :-)
Greetings,
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Originally posted by Turbock
See if the game was up and running....neither one of us would be here. :)
I\'m getting the feeling that you would find something else to complain about rather quickly...
~Indi
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Actually it was a member of this so called \'community\' that started the mud slinging and name calling.
If you insist on moaning about the poor quality of gaming, server down time and lack of Developer skills your in the wrong place, you should be back in your little runescape hole.
Our Dev\'s are some of the greatest people anyone could ever meet, they have a dream and are bringing it to life by building a fantastic completely free game in their own time at with no income from the project
These guys and gals are modern day Jesus, mother teresa, ghandi and who knows who else, so please, just stop the bitching for your own sake
Dem
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So you want to get into the frey, or are you trying to kiss-up to the dev\'s?
Read again.
I didn\'t agree with what ajdaha had to say, but he did have the right to express his feelings.
The \"moderators\" only complained back, called either he or I \"stupid,\" (yes he did), and took a \"take it or leave it\" attitude.
I\'m glad other professions don\'t look upon their work like these people do.
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Originally posted by Turbock
So you want to get into the frey, or are you trying to kiss-up to the dev\'s?
Read again.
I didn\'t agree with what ajdaha had to say, but he did have the right to express his feelings.
The \"moderators\" only complained back, called either he or I \"stupid,\" (yes he did), and took a \"take it or leave it\" attitude.
I\'m glad other professions don\'t look upon their work like these people do.
I\'m known for having a friendly nature and I\'m also very patient towards new people and persons who want to learn something. My original reply was a bit harsh only because the tone at which Ajdaha was complaining was not at all nice. In fact I thought it was rather insulting to us (us being the PS developers). I mean look at this:
Well, its tuesday now and its till not up. I mean what kind of development process is this?
Just because they\'re not getting money, its still not nice to lie. Just don\'t say anything, cause lying makes my hopes go up and then they come down again. Rather if I just forgot about planeshift for a while.
And did I hear rite? this isn\'t the wipe update!
WTF, how long do we have to wait.
And don\'t give me that s*** (I sensored that myself cause even the censoring machine isn\'t working) about \"we don\'t know\", how do you not know, wtf wrong with these people. Look at the bugs and tell us how many are left to fix before the damned wipe.
That was the original post. I don\'t think that\'s very friendly and I find it very disturbing if people complain in that tones to us. After all we are doing this for fun in our free time. People should be a *little* bit more understanding of that fact.
Greetings,
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Originally posted by Turbock
I\'m glad other professions don\'t look upon their work like these people do.
I am glad that other playsers don\'t look at PS the way you do.
I totally second the devs, and no, you don\'t need to accuse me of kissing up, I take your accuse as implied.
It\'s their work, their code, their everything, and yes, if they please, they can lock it all up, and completely ignore you, even make it P2P or tear it to 1000 shreads and dump it and you could do exactly zilt abotu it.
People like you are a shame for this community, and an insult to all humanity.
If I may ask you for one thing: please leave PS forever. :tdown:
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Grow old and learn to behave in public. All of you. Your parents don\'t decide anything here - I do. And I decide that this is a stupid thread, and it is not to be used anymore.
The end. :)