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Fan Area => The Hydlaa Plaza => Topic started by: WiseKran on May 29, 2005, 02:12:54 pm
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Would someone tell me about linux.. or where i can learn more about what it is?
The only thing i know about it is that its an operating system that many people prefer over windows =P
Ive never seen a game that says its linux compatible, or even mentions linux.
All i know is that im startuing to really hate windows, and i dont like macs
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http://www.linux.org/ There are many neat games for Linux, unfortunatelly not RPG/MMORPG. :(
Regards.
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T=tested
Cube3D (T)
Vegastrike
Quakeforge -> the free adaptation of quake (but I saw some screenshot... wahou it was even maybe better than quake3... amazing what they did)
Slune (T)
freedroidRPG (T)
glaxium (T)
Unreal Tournament
unreal tournament 2003 (and maybe other releases -> third cdrom) (T)
freeciv (T)
planeshift : but linux release come after windows ones... (T)
Tuxracer (T)
Arkhart (T)
NeverWinter Nights
Exult (Ultima 7 under Linux)
Slayers Online
Battle for Wesnoth
DROD
Open Warfare
SuperTux (T)
Pingus (T)
Flight Gear Flight Simulator
FooBillard
BillardGL
GL-117 (T)
Reaper
GLTron
Ryzom
Racer
TORCS
Stuntcar Racer
poopmup
Tux kart
ClanBomber (T)
Rune
Arkanae
Heavy Gear II
Heavy Metal: F.A.K.K.2
Egoboo (T)
Wolfenstein Enemy Territory
Descent 3
Quake 3
Legends
Tribes 2
Heretic
Heretic II
Descent
Transfusion (blood like)
Quake 2
Soldier of Fortune
Urban terror 3 (q3 mod which seems to be better than cs 1)
Doom or glDoom (T and better than original... but the project wasnt opensource and all the sources has been lost lol)
wormux (worms like)
BankiZ (worms like)
Chromium B.S.U. (2d but nice)
Cannon Smash (ping pong...bof... but its 3d)
bygfoot (not what I like...)
skystreets (when I play this kind of games under windows I was under Win95 but it was really amusing especially when one of your friend control velocity and direction while you jump)
PowerManga (2d but I liked it)
Frozen Bubble (nice arcade games I never finished it cause its hard to stay in front of the screen without having a headaches after 5hours of hard concentration...)
Heroes of Might and Magic III
Netrek (I just saw the screenshots and... it looks ugly but I learnt a lot of teams exist...)
Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns
Myth II : Soulblighter
FreeCNC (command and conquer)
Freecraft (clone of warcraft 2) (T)
Jagged Alliance 2
XShipWars (xsw)
UFO: Alien invasion
boson
Railroad Tycoon II
OpentTTD (Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe)
Sim City 2000
LinCity
Deus EX
Sid Meier\'s Alpha Centauri
Civilization Call To Power
all the parallel realities games
and many others
I recognize some games here are old and in fact I think the list isnt up to date
All the games arent free. Some need you buy the commercial windows release of the games
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Linux is stable, customizeable, secure, and free. It does cause headaches sometimes, but the more you use it, the easier it becomes to fix problems. I\'m using gentoo, but I dont think i\'d recommend that for a beginner. Check out Fedora Core 3 or Knoppix.
There aren\'t many games that run in Linux, but I contend that PS is the only game that matters. It is true that the linux version always comes out after the windows one, but you can alwasy build your own following the guides at laanx.fragnetics.com. It is not always easy, however.
The first time I ever installed linux on a machine, it was Red Hat 7.something, and its installer gui offered this metaphor: \"Would you by a car that\'s hood had been welded shut?\"
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In my opinion, Linux is not \"secure by default\", it merely \"supports\" security.
What I want to say with this: If you don\'t know what you are really doing, I find it a lot easier to create vulnerabilities in Linux through misconfiguration, than under Windows. Then again, if you do know what you are doing, the possibilities and and abilities are vast.
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pogo are you saying linux is less secured than windows by default?
You are the very first one who say that. I\'m using Windows and Linux. The security of my windowsXP is shatered if I dont change anything on the configuration by default of MS. Howerver, I have 2 antivirus and 1 firewall...
Ive no problem with linux... really strictly no problem! if you want a paranoiac security you can configure it but its not necessary. Each security problem is fixed in one month maximum (it\'s what I learnt and even it\'s rare when it needs one month). WindowsXP still need security fixing (after 3 years). And even if there are SP1 and SP2 I keep on fighting against hackers under windows...
just imagine pogo that linux debian ask to me if I really would like to burn a cd as a user cause it could be a hole in my system security... With windows by default you can eradicate the config files and the system files of the system... really this security is amazing! Especially in the schools...
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Oh, just a short note, if you\'re thinking of buying a vid-card, and you\'re a linux user, get Nvidia. I have an ATI, and they are horrible with linux drivers.
Not to put down ATI or anything.
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i myself jsut recently switched to linux (Suse 9.3)
let me tell you ..IT IS AWSOME
especiall for me b/c i run a server to do various tasks, in windows you were kinda stuck with that the default settings were on everytihng, in Lunix you can customize, customize, customize!
Its even given me a chance to learn new things like using gpg (kinda like pgp, aka pretty good pretection), i haven\'t gotten it fully figured out, but eerytime you do get something right o feel like a 1337 haxx0r
go linux!
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i am using linux for a long time now and i love the system .. have you ever heard someone saying this about windows? :P
to add more information:
there are a lot (and getting more) native games for linux and even a lot of commercial ones, like unreal tournament 2004 or doom?.
if you like more informations for playing games on linux visit http://www.happypenguin.org or http://www.linux-gamers.net
which distro to use? it is not easy to say ... the distros differs something between i get anything completely build in binaries (like SuSe, Debian, Redhat) to i must build up my own system from the scratch (like gentoo).
i like to build my own system especially the kernel to keep my hardware compatibility to the latest devices (DVB-T, scanner, printer, remote control, nvidia card) that is different to suse or redhat which mainly use a big common kernel with a lot of modules which were dynamicly loaded after the devices are getting autodetected (thats why knoppix runs on \"every\" system).
loadable modules support is one of the greatest advantages of linux. that means, that you can load or unload drivers in your running system without rebooting.
so thats my opinion and i would like to see more people using linux ;)
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Originally posted by lethe
so thats my opinion and i would like to see more people using linux ;)
Yeah the linux revolution!
but please if you are not a developper, not a good advicer or useless... please dont use Debian distribution cause I like downloading my update at full speed and too many people updating would bore me... :D
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Originally posted by fken
pogo are you saying linux is less secured than windows by default?
Not necessarily, I rather meant.. well hard to explain. Lets say, you\'re setting up some webserver. It will be easier to not make mistakes if you do that with IIS or apache on windows (installer + gui setup) than with e.g. apache on linux. So I mean that you can have security holes that are \"made by you\"(tm) more easily under linux. (completely not regarding any security holes that are built into the programs, just talking about misconfiguration). :)
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linux= no wow.. wisekran= no linux
sounds extremely limited..
forget it.. notice profile
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if your wanting a gaming pc, stay windows
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till longhorn and drm comes around :)
i wait for that long track of users who switch to linux when their copy of window will not work anymore or the pressure of the law is too high to use copies.
beware that every software implemented in a distribution is completely free (free as freedom of speech not as free beer :P )
ps: i have seen people running wow on linux
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im not a programmer, nor do i know about code or crap to make linux work..
and i have a short temper for problems, or \'customization\'
in linux
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Originally posted by Pogopuschel
Originally posted by fken
pogo are you saying linux is less secured than windows by default?
Not necessarily, I rather meant.. well hard to explain. Lets say, you\'re setting up some webserver. It will be easier to not make mistakes if you do that with IIS or apache on windows (installer + gui setup) than with e.g. apache on linux. So I mean that you can have security holes that are \"made by you\"(tm) more easily under linux. (completely not regarding any security holes that are built into the programs, just talking about misconfiguration). :)
I never tried to install server program. What I know is that, once, I installed windowsXP, my internet access and upgraded my system (nothing else). And I saw my computer has been cracked there were some worms and spyware installed (one of them was special: I wasnt able to use regedit and ctrl+alt+del was not starting a program anymore)... I like speaking about security under Windows...
Then each time Im installing linux (debian) the installer ask me some question about security or customization and warn me what is the best for the security. And debian, as you must know it, isnt the easiest distribution.
If a guy who dunno anything about server try to install server\'s application under windows or under linux it will be a real drama (the os wont change anything). But once you are under linux once you are connected to internet, the \"linux network\" and the \"linux community\" will help you will support you! Each time Im in front of an exotic problem, I need 3, 4, 7 hours maybe to fixe it. But once i fixe it I understand what was the problem and Im able to fixe it. Each time Windows crashed violently (No more boot) I had to install it another time. Each time a software created this kind of situation the fact Windows policy is to hide everything force me to format my HD! Under linux I am able to surprise myself cause even if the windows dont work I am able to save my system logically! It\'s what I call \"real pc\": when everything is logical!
Off course I dont get black screen everytimes: it\'s only when I tried something... dumb (like trying to force my computer to use an advice it dont recognize cause I forgot to install the good driver... dont laught at me I know some people that did dumber things!)
To sum up: today linux isnt too hard to understand. And if you need help the linux community will help you (how to recognize linux community: it\'s a place where there is no advertising because they dont like it)
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Originally posted by RussianVodka
Oh, just a short note, if you\'re thinking of buying a vid-card, and you\'re a linux user, get Nvidia. I have an ATI, and they are horrible with linux drivers.
Not to put down ATI or anything.
As a Linux user, I would say the opposite. Stay away from nVidia, unless you like your framerate measured in seconds per frame, or wants to run crap binary drivers that are ported directly over from Windows, still has references to \\\\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, and crashes even more than under Windows. And right now, the solution to some problems with Planeshift on Linux with nVidia cards are \"reinstall X\" - hey, I remember reinstalling from XP.
In short, if you want to use a nVidia card, you might as well go with XP, rather than trying to get crashes, BSOD and reinstalling on Linux too.
Unfortunately, ATI is starting to become just as bad with their newer cards (Radeon 9300 and up), but fortunately their older cards work great with X.org DRI drivers. I recently bought a new PC, and got a Radeon 9250 for exactly these reasons, and it runs Planeshift just fine.
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i am very pleased with my nvidia card. ok the drivers are not opensource, but that is normal if you compare with bios or motherboard driver.
i had problems with the new version of planeshift, but i didnt need to reinstall the whole x server, i just updated my nvidia-drivers and wooo .. up to 100 fps.
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Originally posted by Leeloo
Originally posted by RussianVodka
Oh, just a short note, if you\'re thinking of buying a vid-card, and you\'re a linux user, get Nvidia. I have an ATI, and they are horrible with linux drivers.
Not to put down ATI or anything.
As a Linux user, I would say the opposite. Stay away from nVidia, unless you like your framerate measured in seconds per frame, or wants to run crap binary drivers that are ported directly over from Windows, still has references to \\\\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE, and crashes even more than under Windows. And right now, the solution to some problems with Planeshift on Linux with nVidia cards are \"reinstall X\" - hey, I remember reinstalling from XP.
In short, if you want to use a nVidia card, you might as well go with XP, rather than trying to get crashes, BSOD and reinstalling on Linux too.
Unfortunately, ATI is starting to become just as bad with their newer cards (Radeon 9300 and up), but fortunately their older cards work great with X.org DRI drivers. I recently bought a new PC, and got a Radeon 9250 for exactly these reasons, and it runs Planeshift just fine.
I used ATI and nVidia card...
And in my next pc I will buy a nvidia one... it\'s not for nothing. he closed source driver of my ati card doesnt exist under linux and even under windows... ATI doesnt care about my card...
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That reinstall X is because of some odd bug in CS not because Nvidia drivers are crappy, on my machine I got that way from 4 FPS on Nvidia OpenGL drivers
to like 30 on default ones in Hydlaa. 8o
Regards.
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How come that \"odd bug in CS\" happens only to people with crappy nVidia drivers installed?
And how can a game require that you reinstall a part of the system, unless we\'re talking about Windows? It shouldn\'t be possible.
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Linux isnt the problem there if its a driver problem then its nVidia if it\'s cs its cs...
I know sometimes nvidia made mistakes but it\'s fixed as soon as they can and really nvidia\'s drivers works really better than ati\'s one.
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If you want to try linux get knoppix cd
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
Download, burn and boot. It is linux that runs from cd.
It will not modify your files on hd.
Apps will start little slower because cd is compressed. it has ~2GB of data. But once app is loaded it should be fast.
I give these cd\'s away all the time.
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Originally posted by WiseKran
linux= no wow.. wisekran= no linux
sounds extremely limited..
forget it.. notice profile
My friend showed me this today:
http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3518
Looks like transgaming officially suports wow on linux.
fyi,
transgaming makes this product named cedega. It is win32 \"emulation\" that allowes to run some games on linux. You will get some performance hit.
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transgaming makes this product named cedega. It is win32 \"emulation\" that allowes to run some games on linux. You will get some performance hit.
Cedega isn\'t a emulator. It\'s based on WINE (Wine Is Not an Emulator).
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Originally posted by Leeloo
How come that \"odd bug in CS\" happens only to people with crappy nVidia drivers installed?
And how can a game require that you reinstall a part of the system, unless we\'re talking about Windows? It shouldn\'t be possible.
If you are talking about that flame01.tga bug (which is indeed weird) you are
wrong. I have \"crappy nvidia drivers\" installed and my client never crashed due
to this issue.
Regards.
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Originally posted by fken
Linux isnt the problem there if its a driver problem then its nVidia if it\'s cs its cs...
I know sometimes nvidia made mistakes but it\'s fixed as soon as they can and really nvidia\'s drivers works really better than ati\'s one.
I have a nvidia card and nvidia drivers installed and they work great on any game i throw at it, i get no crashes, no slowdowns no nothing and i do have quite a lot of 3D games installed. Except Planeshift, the darn thing keeps crashing on me. so i\'d say it\'s a cs/ps problem yes.
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Originally posted by Platyna
If you are talking about that flame01.tga bug (which is indeed weird) you are
wrong. I have \"crappy nvidia drivers\" installed and my client never crashed due
to this issue.
You were the one who used the words \"odd bug in CS\", so you should know which bug I\'m talking about.
But no matter how, a bug in CS should not need X reinstalled. Reinstalling X won\'t fix anything - it will just overwrite the files with identical copies - unless something (i.e. crappy nVidia drivers) destroyed some of those files in the first place. It will certainly not fix an \"odd bug in CS\".
Planeshift runs perfectly under Linux, no slowdowns, no crashes - as long as one doesn\'t use those crappy nVidia drivers. And that\'s the version I downloaded from your site.
Havox: It\'s entirely possible that Planeshift uses some features that those other games don\'t. If the nVidia drivers have bugs in the implementation of those features, it will not affect the other games.
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Actually Leeloo, Nvidia drivers comes with own GL, and it works perfectly.
It works perfectly on my machine too. Anyway, that issue has been solved so
I see not reason to start any Nvidia bashing flame war.
Regards.
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Originally posted by Leeloo
Planeshift runs perfectly under Linux, no slowdowns, no crashes - as long as one doesn\'t use those crappy nVidia drivers. And that\'s the version I downloaded from your site.
Havox: It\'s entirely possible that Planeshift uses some features that those other games don\'t. If the nVidia drivers have bugs in the implementation of those features, it will not affect the other games.
nvidia linux drivers are far better developed then ATI\'s.
I have a nvidia card and planeshift keeps crashing, and from my experience with nvidia i can safely say it has to be bug in the game\'s client or i must have something malconfigured. Again, nvidia drivers for linux are WAY superior than the ATI ones. you cant argue with that.
FFs just look at how often they release a new version, how easy it is to install them, how well they work for most (i\'d say all) recent and not so recent games, and then go try and install some ATI drivers.
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I have been using Linux since 1985 where setting up Xwindow was a little like surgery without anesthesia until today where setting up SuSE is about 5 point in clicks and you are done.
The debate of Windows versus Linux is probably done best on slashdot. They get into all kinds of wars there like BSD versus Linux and on and on....
So let\'s just cut to the chase. Linux is not for everybody. If you want to set up a PHP website with MYSQL then Linux is the ticket. It is actually very easy to do. I use it for all my day to day web browsing, chat room work and on and on...
However, if you\'re into gaming it\'s Windows all the way. I don\'t even know why there\'s a debate on this. A gamer wants to put a game into a computer and have it work. They don\'t want to mess with Video drivers independent of who makes the card. Windows does that. Not because it\'s superior, but merely because if you want to sell a video card it better work on Windows.
Most users really don\'t give a dam about customization. This is a hard lesson for people who are really into computers. However, it\'s true.
So, go read Slashdot (http://slashdot.org/). There\'s a lot of good information there on exactly these topics.
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Originally posted by Havox
Originally posted by fken
Linux isnt the problem there if its a driver problem then its nVidia if it\'s cs its cs...
I know sometimes nvidia made mistakes but it\'s fixed as soon as they can and really nvidia\'s drivers works really better than ati\'s one.
I have a nvidia card and nvidia drivers installed and they work great on any game i throw at it, i get no crashes, no slowdowns no nothing and i do have quite a lot of 3D games installed. Except Planeshift, the darn thing keeps crashing on me. so i\'d say it\'s a cs/ps problem yes.
some release of the nvidia driver crash under linux...
@fish : and if you want to play with a videogames under linux are you allowed to try ? (ps : if you are using a computer only to play it\'s really what Im calling be stone... because ps2 gamecube or xbox - if you like MS - are cheaper...)