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Title: FC4 was held back.
Post by: RussianVodka on June 05, 2005, 11:10:06 pm

Yep. It was suposed to be out on June 6th, but is now schedualed for June 13th.


Am I the only one who cares?

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Post by: fken on June 06, 2005, 12:42:46 am

it depends on what is FC4 ...

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Post by: RussianVodka on June 06, 2005, 01:03:36 am

http://fedora.redhat.com/

It\'s a Linux project.

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Post by: fken on June 06, 2005, 02:16:47 am

oh fedora core off course lol
Im using debian... already 3.1 but strong!
Is it now possible to use XFS partition under fedora core ?

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Post by: Xordan on June 06, 2005, 02:38:03 am

Meh.
Gentoo on reiser4 pwns Fedora :p

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Post by: RussianVodka on June 06, 2005, 03:11:13 am

Hm, it wouldn\'t hurt to try other Linuxes... will it be a pain to relearn? Or is it reletevely the same?

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Post by: fken on June 06, 2005, 03:24:48 pm

I tested:
kheops (2.0 I think)
Mandrake 6.1 7.2 8.1 8.2 9.0 9.1 9.2 10.0 10.1
Aurox Wind
Red hat (I dont remember which number)
Suze (I dont remember which number)
Ubuntu
kubuntu
Debian Sarge

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Post by: tuxy on June 06, 2005, 03:52:10 pm

debian sid works without problems too

I heard lots of good things about ubuntu, with release cycle similar to fedora it maybe right for you.

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Post by: Xordan on June 06, 2005, 04:53:42 pm

You\'ll find gentoo a pain compared to fedora :P And it\'s not so good for slow PC\'s. I\'d recommend debian or ubuntu if you want something that\'s user friendly and fast on normal systems.

Fedora is pretty cool. I used fedora 1 and 2, but then got bored because it doesn\'t give you that much control over your system.

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Post by: RussianVodka on June 06, 2005, 05:02:39 pm

I have:
P4 2.4Ghz
512 RAM 133mhz ( soon to be 1GB 400mhz)

Would that be enough for Gentoo?

But seriously though, how is Gentoo better than Fedora? (Not starting an argument, just wana know.)

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Post by: fken on June 06, 2005, 05:19:15 pm

when you install gentoo you are forced to compile it just for your computer... it will be more powerful indeed but I prefer debian community.

ubuntu has a lot of dependencies problem... youll understand it once you will try to remove programs. And moreover there is no compatibiliy between french language and kubuntu... I dislike ubuntu/kubuntu even if i like their ideas...

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Post by: RussianVodka on June 06, 2005, 11:40:39 pm

I\'ve read up on Gentoo and it seems prety cool. I guess I\'ll try it out, if I don\'t like it, it\'s not like I lost alot of money on it.


Just two questions about it.

1. What kind of software package does it come with? Don\'t want to spend too much time instaling everything.
2. What\'s up with the emerge --sync command? Does it realy update all the files on your system?


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Oh, and question #3, what kind of hardware recognition does it have?

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Post by: jonmack on June 07, 2005, 02:55:05 am

Another Gentoo fan here :)

In answer to Russian\'s previous post

1) Portage is the package maintainer software. Basically, instead of putting everything on CD\'s and having to download 4 disks ( what a waste! ), you install a base system with the bare minimum. That lets you pick exactly what you want on your system, download it and compile it. In portage there is pretty much every program you\'ll ever need, including planeshift :D You\'ll spend a day or two ( literally ) when you first install to get all X and Gnome/KDE you want up, but generally after that it\'s not bad. Appart from the big few packages like OO.org and FireFox, most will compile fast on your computer ( I have a 1.4GHz, 512MB RAM for comparison, and things run just fine ). For large updates of the entire system ( see next point ) I just leave it overnight or when I\'m off to the pub or something.

2) To update your list of programs available through portage, you need to sync the portage tree. It will update the list of programs, but not the programs themselves. You\'ll need emerge --update [world|system] which will update everything. There\'s a --deep option that\'ll update all dependencies too -- all this is explained in the ( amazing ) documentation that comes with Gentoo, so don\'t worry.

3) Hardware regonition? Hmm, not Gentoo\'s strongest point as far as I\'m concerned. Took me months to get my sound working ( which in the end was simple! ), still not got USB working. But then Gentoo it much more about learning how your computer works, which I find interesting. If you want something that \"just works\", I also hear good things about Ubuntu.

Another great thing, which I\'m sure you\'ll have at least heard of by now, is USE flags. They let you choose whether program that support a certain thing ( e.g. mp3 playback, KDE integration, etc ) will actually build in that support or not - depending on what you want. It\'s all about choice.

Like you say - don\'t take our ( bias ;) ) opinions on it - try it out and see. You\'ll at least learn something. All I know it, I tried a few other distro\'s, and never looked back after Gentoo. It works for me, only you can say if it\'ll work for you.

Edit: speeling ;)

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Post by: RussianVodka on June 07, 2005, 04:50:38 am

Long story short I did some research and decided on Debian.

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Post by: fireofsoul on June 07, 2005, 07:53:36 am

Gah, i noticed they put it back too :( ah well only have to wait another week :D

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Post by: fken on June 07, 2005, 05:13:30 pm

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Originally posted by RussianVodka
Long story short I did some research and decided on Debian.

nice choice !
Welcome to the Debian Community (personally I just download the first cd, install my internet connection and then i install from internet...)... but if you wanna download the 18 cd of debian youre free :-D (dont worry I think youll need only the 3 first cd to install every important thing)

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Post by: RussianVodka on June 07, 2005, 05:24:04 pm

Actualy I\'m downloading the 2 4GB DVD\'s.

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Post by: fken on June 07, 2005, 05:54:34 pm

... sweet idea... but I must warn you: if you are downloading sarge: the cd/dvd change every week...

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Post by: RussianVodka on June 07, 2005, 09:23:49 pm

What do you mean?

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Post by: jonmack on June 08, 2005, 12:27:43 am

Hmm, I hear Sarge has ( finally ;) ) been released proper. I think I will try it out myself. I\'ve got an old 400MHz box lying around not doing anything just yet - a good binary distro will do nicely. Yay, a \"new\" server to play with!

I much prefer fken\'s recommendation - get the net install disk, and download only the programs you want. 8GB\'s worth of data is such a  waste of bandwidth as far as I\'m concerned. Especially when you consider that many packages will have security updates and the like, so will change anyway. ( I think this is what fken means? ).

/me runs off to download Debian

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Post by: RussianVodka on June 08, 2005, 01:31:36 am

Well, too late for your advice. I already downloaded. Now to write to DVD, and I\'ll be done.

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Post by: jonmack on June 08, 2005, 02:34:21 am

Heh, nevermind :D Hope it\'s a bitorrent and you share it... ( What kind of connection do you have?! )

Let us all know how it goes! I\'m going to wait and install it on my server tomorrow.

fken - since you seem to be a Debian user, a few questions if I may? What/where are the best resources for community help? I can only find mailing lists on debian.org, and I seem to have this innate distaste to mail lists for some reason. Are there any official forums? If I apt-get, say, apache, will it grab any dependencies that I don\'t have too? ( Sorry - am reading the documentation, but not found anything about this yet :) ).

Cheers,

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Post by: RussianVodka on June 08, 2005, 02:46:27 am

And of the software that comes with the package, can you tell us which are good to know how to use?


P.S. I have a cable conection... But the computer in my room is linked through a router (for which the Linux drives will not instal on my FC3).

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Post by: fireofsoul on June 12, 2005, 05:16:34 am

You can download FC4, its on their mirrors..  http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=58740