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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Sangwa on June 10, 2005, 02:39:26 pm
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The recent lack of cabali activity left me doubtful about their shady plans and intentions, but after I checked their site, (http://www.the-cabal.com/) I got worried.
It seems that they no longer have a site. And I haven\'t seen much of Savion or Xordan lately.
Seeing all this new guilds spawning without being flammed and thrown spoons at has left me with a feeling of loss. I mean, sure they were annoying jerks, but they were PS\'s unique annoying jerks. Besides being one of the few evil guilds that could reach its objectives.
So if anybody knows what happened with them, or cares to make up something about it, do tell me.
(Yes I\'ve read \"Hour of Oblivion\", but it didn\'t say they would put an end their site. It said they had renewed it.
And I\'m not asking for them to come back as annoying as before, just want to know what happened to them since \"Hour of Oblivion\" )
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Well I also really wonder what happens to Forest Guardians now that Draklar left.
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As long as Xordan is around, the Cabal will be around. And I don\'t see Xordan leaving us so soon. Besides, he\'s busy atm, like some of us, with exams.
Cheers, and wish him good luck!
;)
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Xordan has nothing to do with Cabal. He is a developer now.
I don\'t know who the new leader is/was, though, you\'ll have to ask him. Xordan is always around on IRC. :)
I\'m pretty pleased that the Cabal spammers (Savion and others) are gone! :)
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lol, I had payment problems with my hosting company, so all my sites went down :P Should be back up in a day or so.
I\'m in IRC every day at most times of the day :) So I am around. And I\'m in the middle of exams as Annah said so I don\'t have as much time for forum browsing as I have in the past.
As for a update on the guild; I\'m not the guild leader any more, and the guild is both private and secret. :) The private bit won\'t change I think, but the secret bit may in the future.
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private and secret
That\'s great. We at the Dark Empire usually say \"exclusive and elitist.\"
Well, people get bored I guess.
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Originally posted by Moogie
Xordan has nothing to do with Cabal. He is a developer now.
I don\'t know who the new leader is/was, though, you\'ll have to ask him. Xordan is always around on IRC. :)
I\'m pretty pleased that the Cabal spammers (Savion and others) are gone! :)
Yup, everyone who made the forums fun leaving really cleaned this place up.
Some of the newer people need to lighten up a bit.
Originally posted by Sangwa
Well, people get bored I guess.
Thats true but when people who were here over 2 years all leave in a matter of like 6 months, you\'ve gotta wonder.
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Simply put, they don\'t. A few \'high profile\' \'oldbies\' leave, the rest of us stay for longer, and new people continue to arrive and the gaps get filled in. Nothing has ever changed- but I can understand it must look different from you perspective, since you havn\'t been around long enough to watch the whole cycle so far. :) You will learn, my young padowan... in time, you will learn.
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It seems like more people then the usual simply because nothing else is happening around here.
Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
Some of the newer people need to lighten up a bit.
I have to agree with this part, except put everyone instead of newer. I need some damn comic relief. ;(
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isnt Incensio Tenebrae gone? or one of those, i remember playing guild wars and i checked their site for that which said something along the lines of \'they\'ve moved on\' :s
bah, i\'d prefer our unique asses any day to these five minute wonder asses
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Originally posted by Moogie
Simply put, they don\'t. A few \'high profile\' \'oldbies\' leave, the rest of us stay for longer, and new people continue to arrive and the gaps get filled in. Nothing has ever changed- but I can understand it must look different from you perspective, since you havn\'t been around long enough to watch the whole cycle so far. :) You will learn, my young padowan... in time, you will learn.
I moved out of Padawanism when Efflixi Aduro was born thank you very much. :)
And I have been here almost a year now. (Actually... in like 30 days it\'ll be my one year anivesery since my fesfes account is registered on July 9th.) So I think I have seen the process. I mean just look at the list. Seprot, Faldrok, Aledrion, Kuiper, Xalthar, Drak, Kada-El, New-Pie, Savaion, Kwartz (yes he left) and some others I dont remember right now.
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Originally posted by Xordan
lol, I had payment problems with my hosting company, so all my sites went down :P Should be back up in a day or so.
I\'m in IRC every day at most times of the day :) So I am around. And I\'m in the middle of exams as Annah said so I don\'t have as much time for forum browsing as I have in the past.
As for a update on the guild; I\'m not the guild leader any more, and the guild is both private and secret. :) The private bit won\'t change I think, but the secret bit may in the future.
Oh Shucks I thought you were gone for good /cry
A cycle oh shaddup there is no important cycle, you guys look to deep into this.
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Originally posted by DepthBlade
Oh Shucks I thought you were gone for good /cry
A cycle oh shaddup there is no important cycle, you guys look to deep into this.
Lol, I\'m going to be around to haunt you forever :D
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There\'s nothing \'deep\' about it, really. (Edit: After writing this, I\'d like to change that: it\'s very deep xD) Here\'s an example of how, in general, things play out. I\'d like to use Efflixi and Kiern as common examples, if you guys don\'t mind. :) It\'s just namedropping to help explain some concepts.
This is a typical cycle, not an exact one. This is from my personal experience and may differ from others according to personalities and opinions. (This is written as a sort of timeline):
Year 0: I first arrived in PS. I was a newbie. My \'generation\' were people like Seperot, Draklar, Pooky, etc. For us, \'oldbies\' were people like Kada, Kiern, Paxx, Link, etc. We saw many of them leave over time. One of the reasons they left was being unable to accept the newbies, unable to identify with them anymore. People also left through gradual loss of interest.
Year 1: My generation matured, and became the main part of the community as our oldbies became a little rarer and more obscure. We saw newbies arriving, and many of us found it hard to identify with them. Confident, self-sure, and somewhat bitter, we flamed and degraded them for their lack of intellect and knowledge. We saw more oldbies leaving, for whatever reasons, and assumed it was all going to pot in this community. Depression and bitterness began to kick in. We forgot that we were once just stupid newbies ourselves, being flamed and scorned by the generations above us.
Year 2: We matured into early \'oldbie\' stages, and some left, for the same reasons as our elders before us. Our newbies (Efflixi) matured and become the main part of the community. Many of my generation felt they couldn\'t relate to these newcomers and lost hope. This is where my generation had witnessed its first full cycle, as we ourselves became the oldbies we saw when we first arrived. Our newbies, people like Efflixi (who are now the \'main part of the community\'), witnessed people from my generation leaving.
Present: This is where the transition begins to occur. Subconciously, the depression of seeing his oldbies leaving makes Efflixi\'s generation feel that something is going wrong. Their newbies are still tolerated and pretty much ignored (for the most part). Still, some of my generation oldbies (Kiern, Gronomist) are still around. Many of Efflixi\'s generation oldbies (people from my generation) are still around.
Future: The cycle continues, and eventually Efflixi himself will become an oldbie; perhaps a calm, insightful, knowledgeable one like Ayshe or Kada... or the other type, cursing the new people, watching his elders lose interest and leave, causing him to become more bitter as time wears on, transforming him into the typical elitist oldbie who, eventually, leaves too, full of hate and lost hope. It will depend mostly on his personality and experiences here. But, if he does become a bitter oldbie, Efflixi will not be missed when he eventually moves on. As we probably won\'t miss people like Kiern (for example) who can\'t be as nice to the newer generations as he was with his own generation. Oldbies who refuse to identify with the main body of the community are forgotten quicker than the rest, and the cycle continues regardless.
Not every oldbie becomes bitter and full of hatred like some of my oldbies have. :) Many more simply lose interest and inevitably fade away. My theory is that the further from being a \'newbie\' you become, the less you can identify with the newbies that are always arriving to fill the gaps. The ones who survive are the ones who can keep themselves involved in the ever-changing main body of the community, those who realise that change is inevitable, and not always a bad thing. It\'s not a downward spiral, as the bitter oldbies may ceaslessly chant; a spiral, yes, but downward only in their eyes.
Some notes: I chose Efflixi as an example of \'my generation newbies\' since he\'s someone who springs immediately to mind for me. We laughed at how sad he looked when he first arrived as FESFES (sorry Efflixi, but it\'s true) and now he forms the main body of the community along with the others who arrived with him. He is no longer the clueless newbie he started as- he has learned, just like we all do. But he will inevitably find it hard, just like most of us, to stay in touch with the newer, \'dumber\' generations; it is so easy to forget how we began ourselves, and our growing time and experience here may make us think we\'re better than them. Well, we all started there. We all asked some stupid questions. We didn\'t always use the search button or be bothered to read pages upon pages of settings and history before asking a harmless question. And yes, we got shot down for it too.
I chose Kiern as an example of the \'bitter oldbie\' because... well... he is. I don\'t think he will consider it an insult. :) But he is a great example to use.
Me explaining all this doesn\'t change a thing- there will always be those who can\'t accept it, or those who may have their own theories. Like I say, it all depends on your opinions and what you personally experience. It\'s just nice to see how it all fits together, how we interact and change over time... I find it fascinating.
...*looks up*... Er... so what was the topic again? :/
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* claps *
Well said Mogura, well said. Though, I have just one thing to add.
But he will inevitably find it hard, just like most of us, to stay in touch with the newer, \'dumber\' generations;
In your opinion, this means that with every new generation that comes, the people who comes along with them, are \'dumber\' and \'dumber\'? Sorry, but I have to disagree with you in this matter. Every generation has its own \'dumb\' people, or \'wise\' (if I can say it like this). Like you said, it\'s a cycle that repeats itself on and on, until one point, that is inevitable of course. That would be when PS will slowly fade away, \'eaten\', consumed by other newer games.
What can be said more, I guess there will be remain some persons that were from the beginning, and that will \'catch\' the last cycle, and fade away with it. I was here in the beginning, and yep, I\'d love to be at the end. After all, the friendships that are forged in this time, the fun \'achieved\' together with others, these are the only things that really matters.
And maybe for some, it\'s just hard to accomodate with newer people, repeating over and over they didn\'t have other \'oldbies\' before them, and for them, everyone\'s a newbie. Those aren\'t fans you know, are just people who like and think way too high for themselves.
I always tried (ok, maybe not always, so no comments, I grew) to behave like each person is from my own generation, to consider them my equals. Maybe it wasn\'t the most brilliant idea, because it caused some damage to my reputation, but at least hell yeah, it was fun. I mean, I could\'ve been like all others, like Kada, like Kendrick, Whitti, and others. Just to stay in the shadows, create a high reputation, coming from \'time to time\' with a wise comment. Uhmm, well, sorry, I preffered it this way, and no, I don\'t regret it. And what I do hope, is no one will regret any moment, just live, and enjoy it ...
;)
As for you Mogura, you seem different, it\'s like you, grew. Don\'t know if that\'s a good, or a bad thing yet.
:P
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when 900 years old you are, talk sense you do not o.O
I\'m not one to be able to state my opinion on this because i either barely am able to understand the concept of events, or , am barely able to make sense, plus the fact I\'m only coming into bloom as one of the flowers...or weeds in this community. but from what i can see theres the wise and calm, the permatrolls, the oblivious, the unseen and unknowing. i think i quite easily fall into the oblivious group, and there i shall stay :D
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By \"dumber\" I wasn\'t calling the newer generations dumber. But I get a feeling that \'oldbies\' generally consider \'newbies\' dumber than themselves. I was illustrating just the opinion, not stating it as a fact or truth. :)
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But I get a feeling that \'oldbies\' generally consider \'newbies\' dumber than themselves.
Yeah, some people tend to do that. Though, we can\'t hang them as well. It\'s a fact, that every \'world\' needs them.
That\'s why there\'s no world peace, terrorists, aaa... ok, I\'ll shut up now.
:P
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when 900 years old you are, talk sense you do not o.O
Indeed right you are young padawan. :D
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I think I am to dumb to look through moog\'s concept...
but at least I \"know what i dont know.\"
IMHO oldbies are those people who a newbie remembers first, people like moogie and so.
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IMHO oldbies are those people who a newbie remembers first, people like moogie and so.
You\'re kinda wrong, because there are \'oldbies\' that stay a lot \'in the shadows\', not known for many new people, but respected by others.
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Originally posted by Moogie
There\'s nothing \'deep\' about it, really. (Edit: After writing this, I\'d like to change that: it\'s very deep xD) Here\'s an example of how, in general, things play out. I\'d like to use........
Just read the post I don\'t wanna take up that much space.
Moogie just explained the cycle perfectly. And no I will never become bitter. I was the noobish noob of all and heck I wish I could flame myself. :D Oh and no offense taken I was stupid. :)
I don\'t think I will ever really become the kinda feared/respected olbee and I won\'t be the noob hating olbee either. I have always been quick to forgive and I respect most new people that come around. Many times though I have began to flame people that post lame things but that was mostly misdirected anger from real life things.
I think I will always be the same guy I am today. A lite ps player yet overly active on the forums. I may spam every now and then but hey who doesn\'t get a good laugh. But I personally don\'t think I will ever become a mod or anything, well not for like another 5 years. :P I am more active on the forums than almost anyone else here but I\'m too much of a goof off to keep this place in order. So, who knows, I may spawn a new type of olbee. :)
Oh and Kierns cool leave him alone. 8)
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Originally posted by Moogie
There\'s nothing \'deep\' about it, really. (Edit: After writing this, I\'d like to change that: it\'s very deep xD) Here\'s an example of how, in general, things play out. I\'d like to use Efflixi and Kiern as common examples, if you guys don\'t mind. :) It\'s just namedropping to help explain some concepts.
This is a typical cycle, not an exact one. This is from my personal experience and may differ from others according to personalities and opinions. (This is written as a sort of timeline):
Year 0: I first arrived in PS. I was a newbie. My \'generation\' were people like Seperot, Draklar, Pooky, etc. For us, \'oldbies\' were people like Kada, Kiern, Paxx, Link, etc. We saw many of them leave over time. One of the reasons they left was being unable to accept the newbies, unable to identify with them anymore. People also left through gradual loss of interest.
Year 1: My generation matured, and became the main part of the community as our oldbies became a little rarer and more obscure. We saw newbies arriving, and many of us found it hard to identify with them. Confident, self-sure, and somewhat bitter, we flamed and degraded them for their lack of intellect and knowledge. We saw more oldbies leaving, for whatever reasons, and assumed it was all going to pot in this community. Depression and bitterness began to kick in. We forgot that we were once just stupid newbies ourselves, being flamed and scorned by the generations above us.
Year 2: We matured into early \'oldbie\' stages, and some left, for the same reasons as our elders before us. Our newbies (Efflixi) matured and become the main part of the community. Many of my generation felt they couldn\'t relate to these newcomers and lost hope. This is where my generation had witnessed its first full cycle, as we ourselves became the oldbies we saw when we first arrived. Our newbies, people like Efflixi (who are now the \'main part of the community\'), witnessed people from my generation leaving.
Present: This is where the transition begins to occur. Subconciously, the depression of seeing his oldbies leaving makes Efflixi\'s generation feel that something is going wrong. Their newbies are still tolerated and pretty much ignored (for the most part). Still, some of my generation oldbies (Kiern, Gronomist) are still around. Many of Efflixi\'s generation oldbies (people from my generation) are still around.
Future: The cycle continues, and eventually Efflixi himself will become an oldbie; perhaps a calm, insightful, knowledgeable one like Ayshe or Kada... or the other type, cursing the new people, watching his elders lose interest and leave, causing him to become more bitter as time wears on, transforming him into the typical elitist oldbie who, eventually, leaves too, full of hate and lost hope. It will depend mostly on his personality and experiences here. But, if he does become a bitter oldbie, Efflixi will not be missed when he eventually moves on. As we probably won\'t miss people like Kiern (for example) who can\'t be as nice to the newer generations as he was with his own generation. Oldbies who refuse to identify with the main body of the community are forgotten quicker than the rest, and the cycle continues regardless.
Not every oldbie becomes bitter and full of hatred like some of my oldbies have. :) Many more simply lose interest and inevitably fade away. My theory is that the further from being a \'newbie\' you become, the less you can identify with the newbies that are always arriving to fill the gaps. The ones who survive are the ones who can keep themselves involved in the ever-changing main body of the community, those who realise that change is inevitable, and not always a bad thing. It\'s not a downward spiral, as the bitter oldbies may ceaslessly chant; a spiral, yes, but downward only in their eyes.
Some notes: I chose Efflixi as an example of \'my generation newbies\' since he\'s someone who springs immediately to mind for me. We laughed at how sad he looked when he first arrived as FESFES (sorry Efflixi, but it\'s true) and now he forms the main body of the community along with the others who arrived with him. He is no longer the clueless newbie he started as- he has learned, just like we all do. But he will inevitably find it hard, just like most of us, to stay in touch with the newer, \'dumber\' generations; it is so easy to forget how we began ourselves, and our growing time and experience here may make us think we\'re better than them. Well, we all started there. We all asked some stupid questions. We didn\'t always use the search button or be bothered to read pages upon pages of settings and history before asking a harmless question. And yes, we got shot down for it too.
I chose Kiern as an example of the \'bitter oldbie\' because... well... he is. I don\'t think he will consider it an insult. :) But he is a great example to use.
Me explaining all this doesn\'t change a thing- there will always be those who can\'t accept it, or those who may have their own theories. Like I say, it all depends on your opinions and what you personally experience. It\'s just nice to see how it all fits together, how we interact and change over time... I find it fascinating.
...*looks up*... Er... so what was the topic again? :/
*cough* Like I said who cares about a cycle you think we have, we have to be the only community that sits here debating this crap about \"The Cycle\", \"Olbies/Newbies\", \"Lemons vs. Oranges\". lol its really quite sad.
P.S *cough* FESFES still is the saddest :P
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That\'s quite encouraging actually. If what you say is true, I\'m all too glad we\'re not as shallow as other communities on the Internet. :)
But, since I\'ve been around alot, I can say that all communities I\'ve personally seen evolve in fundamentally the same way, with members performing the same social roles based on their statuses in the group. In that same way, every forum has its trolls, its smartasses, it\'s nice people and its nasty people.
Nice to have your, er, valuable opinion on the matter, Depth.
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I prefer to be a nice smartass. ;)
So, by what you are saying, we should expect a \'The day the forums died\' thread every so often. It makes you wonder as you look about yourself at fellow members. Who will be the ones to go, or the ones to stay? It is a fasinating subject.
It is amusing sometimes to see someone flame a newcomer for a question or mistake, then do a search on that person to find that they were once flamed by another person for something similar in their first posts. It is interesting to see how some people evolve, sometimes over a very short time span.
You find out a few things about yourself too, looking back on your old posts. I found that I am, indeed, a smartass. :P
ps. I hope no one considers me an Olden. That would be just weird.
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*kicks everyone out of his thread*
Go away you boring people! I just asked about the Cabal, didn\'t asked to be flooded with useless information regarding cycles, oldbies newbs and starwars trash!
See, this is why we need cabali people. Everyone was the same at their eyes. People this days just speak too much sense and coherent stuff, and that\'s just plain boring.
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The only Cabali I ever found even remotely interesting was Auran. He wasn\'t a troll like the others (besides Xordan). He showed people how to be an evil character and a valuable part of the community at the same time. We\'ve yet to see someone come along to fill his place, and people with his qualities are very rare indeed.
Sorry about the whole philosophical thing there Sangwa. :)
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Speech! Speech! Speech! :D
Savion had his qualities too and don\'t forget snow_rawen, hehe. Well, they thrived since they had Draklar to piss off and endlessly argue back. ;)
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Yeah, Auran wasn\'t the troll. He was simply the one that kept trolls trolling :P. Well, him and Draklar. I bet they would had quitted a whole lot sooner if it wasn\'t for Draklar\'s support.
And Lynx, no one will ever do speeches like those again. I mean, I think I only read one from the beginning to the end (damn, they were long) but I kinda liked that one and the other parts from other speeches I read :P.
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Okay okay, you oldies time for your morning supplement of vitamins, try not to fall away from your Zimoframe this time eh? :)
hope I\'m still here in a few years and can look back at this lot
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Ah the best times of these forums were way before the time of the cabal. It would be sad to see the ones of my kind to come back at a time like this.
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I know you want to move away from this topic, Sangwa, but I just have one question for Moogie...
Where do people like me fit in? I\'ve been around longer than Efflixi, but I\'m ignored. I don\'t mean that in a resentful sort of way, but more in a tone of interested curiousity. Why is it that certain people never really seem to become part of the community, no matter how long they\'re around?
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Because you\'re a stuffy old mage :P
Nah, I wub you really :) I never seem to see much of you though. Maybe if you poked around on IRC or ingame you\'d feel less ignored :)
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Originally posted by Xordan
Nah, I wub you really :)
Just because I wear purple, doesn\'t mean I\'m Barney. :P
Perhaps, but IRC seems so dead. Just people talking a lot of nonsense most of the time, and as for being in-game, well, I need to get a permanent computer...
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Originally posted by Phinehas
Where do people like me fit in? I\'ve been around longer than Efflixi, but I\'m ignored. I don\'t mean that in a resentful sort of way, but more in a tone of interested curiousity. Why is it that certain people never really seem to become part of the community, no matter how long they\'re around?
You are more a part of the community then you probably think. I\'d explain why, but I don\'t really care to, and it\'s not very interesting.
Furthermore, the over-generalizations made in Mogura\'s post are no where near correct and are mostly just stupid commonly held beliefs. I don\'t see how she can presume to know what has happend before she came here (I know she started it when she first arrived, but the experiences her \"oldbies\" had is what led them to act the way they did), or the motivations behind the people she has never met or had a conversation with.
Also not taken into consideration is age, and it is a big factor in how people act toward others. The longer you stay the less you are the same person you were when you first arrived.
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... and yet, I\'d still like to hear her opinion...
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Also not taken into consideration is age, and it is a big factor in how people act toward others. The longer you stay the less you are the same person you were when you first arrived.
That\'s not entirely correct. People just don\'t change, they just \"see\" other horizons as well. I guess you didn\'t understand what I just said, so to say it simple, they\'re always the same, even if sometimes they\'re \"masking\" it, wanting it or not.
And Phinehas, why the hell her opinion counts that much for you?
;)
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Originally posted by Annah
That\'s not entirely correct. People just don\'t change, they just \"see\" other horizons as well. I guess you didn\'t understand what I just said, so to say it simple, they\'re always the same, even if sometimes they\'re \"masking\" it, wanting it or not.
I probably oversimplified a bit, but I didn\'t really mean that the person themselves change, just that the way they interact with others does over time. For example, a lot of people you knew in high school are going to act completely different in 3-5 years. Not everyone, of course.
The point is, to assume that someone acts the way they do because of actually when they joined the game throws away a lot of variables that can make them the way that they are. The importance of an online forum (or game, depending on when you joined) in someone\'s life is being overestimated here, some people it will change and others it will have no significant affect on.
It\'s easy to see I\'m not the same as I was when I first joined, look at my posts from three years ago. But to say that is because of this forum? I highly doubt that. (That\'s in explanation of the stupid beliefs I mentioned in the last post i.e. the \"bitter oldbie\" mogura describes)
The \"cycle\" is simply this - Those who lose interest in or become tired of Planeshift, leave. Those who either like the game or support the concept, stay. The end.
EDIT: I edited these last two posts multiple times...so if there\'s random words thrown in some places, it\'s because I missed deleting them.
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*Nods* Like I said, everyone\'s view of the \'cycle\' will be different due to their individual experiences and opinions. :) I spoke only for myself, and was hoping I made it clear enough in my post... but perhaps I didn\'t. :P
Phinehas: It\'s harder to tell where the quiet ones fit in, because of their relative obscurity... I would assume most go with the flow and behave much in the same way as others, but I honestly don\'t have much of an idea. I\'d have to be here way longer and actually study things hard to see that deeply into it. :P
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Originally posted by Moogie
*Nods* Like I said, everyone\'s view of the \'cycle\' will be different due to their individual experiences and opinions. :) I spoke only for myself, and was hoping I made it clear enough in my post... but perhaps I didn\'t. :P
You did. I never had the intention of arguing your post but was just replying to the others and got a bit carried away. :baby:
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Originally posted by Annah
And Phinehas, why the hell her opinion counts that much for you?
;)
They don\'t, consider me an interested passerby. ;)
@Moogie: Quiet? I\'m quiet? I\'ve got almost as many posts as Efflixi. Just because I\'ve been around a few months longer, I never considered myself \"quiet\".
*shrugs*
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While sad I may be worried I am not. While people leave more come some bad leave and some good but some bad come and also good. While it may be hard to think that someone can not be replaced (and they wont not completely) there will be those that fill the places left. These new people will be different, have different quirks but will still come to replace those from before.
And to my own survival I am hopefull. Unlike Annah who tries to see everyone as his equal I like to see everyone as being above me (which is not that far from the truth). Though while this mindset is hard to keep without getting depressed at least I wont be old and stuffy ;)
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Yeah. Life\'s like that, some die and some are born. And the rest adapts to the situation.
It\'s as simple as any cycle.
The \"cycle\" is simply this - Those who lose interest in or become tired of Planeshift, leave. Those who either like the game or support the concept, stay.
And Kwip, not only the humble, benevolent and wise rely on modesty. The vain also take good advantage from it.
It doesn\'t matter how you look upon people. Everyone uses everyone else, the only thing you gotta care is how to combine the best way to use others with the easiest way of being used.
Anywho, if no one will throw this back on topic I guess this thread might as well be closed. I got my answers already.
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Originally posted by Demarthl
isnt Incensio Tenebrae gone? or one of those, i remember playing guild wars and i checked their site for that which said something along the lines of \'they\'ve moved on\' :s
bah, i\'d prefer our unique asses any day to these five minute wonder asses
Incensio tenebrae isn\'t a guild for Planeshift anymore, some of the member couldn\'t play the game.
We also wanted to play more then just Planeshift as a guild, so we became a multi guild.
Some of the members still play planeshift, we just don\'t associate the guild with the game anymore since we all feel the game lost the thing we wanted ( and probably the wait for CB killed alot with us too ).
I can assure you that some people will check back here once in a while, i officially left the game, i just checked the forum and found this thread and had the urge to post.
No this doesn\'t mean i will be back to discuss stuff.
If you want to talk to us go to http://www.dorbian.nl/it2 and go to the forums.
We will always answer... eventually
-Dorbian
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For us, \'oldbies\' were people like Kada, Kiern, Paxx, Link, etc.
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Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
For us, \'oldbies\' were people like Kada, Kiern, Paxx, Link, etc.
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I think you belong to \"etc.\"
:D